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[gloinz]

Newsflash, getting a job in Law is much like getting a job in ANY field nowadays, the people who know people will always fare better than the people who don't. /thread

going to have to disagree as a software engineer i feel like a 1st round draft pick in the nfl with the amount of offers i got coming out of school

plus i got a damn signing bonus, shit was classic

[Stinkum]

sorry for the tl;dr

Those numbers are slightly inflated because they count total bar exams passed in New York State (your able to practice in 3-4 other states with your N.Y Bar License) so not everyone actually ends up working here.

i encourage you to read the article i linked

Every state in the U.S. but Wisconsin and Nebraska (plus Washington, D.C.) is producing many more lawyers than it needs.

In fact, across the country, there were twice as many people who passed the bar in 2009 (53,508) as there were openings (26,239).

A separate estimate for the number of lawyers produced in 2009 also showed a surplus (44,159 new law grads compared with 26,239 openings).

tl;dr = it doesnt matter, every state in the entire U.S. is vastly overproducing lawyers by atrocious margins

good career prospects are all about growth in openings and deficits in people certified to perform that job

some states are worse than others, and you happen to live in the particular worst state in the U.S. as far as surplus lawyers, but it's ugly anywhere you go

My degree is a dual pre-law/paralegal studies so that I will be able to get a job working at a corporate law firm that requires you have a bachelors degree (which most paraglegals don't). It's a great thing to fall back on because just a quick search of mean paralegal salary in NYC shows that its a great career to start in.

okay but we are talking about working as an attorney here. if you don't want to work in a job that requires a JD, then don't get one. if you could do that job without a JD, then do that. you'd be much better off for it, and potentially owe $100,000s less in loans (assuming you are taking loans)

P.S I'm genuinely curious as to what your profession is Stinkum?

on a whim i took the LSAT a few years ago without 1 minute of studying and did fairly decent (165), so i thought i might have a knack for law and considered law school briefly

after doing the necessary preliminary research of job prospects and talking to recent law school grads, i quickly decided fuck that shit

[Nirgon]

After seeing the direction this thread has taken, I don't want another word from the bluebies complaining about reds coming over to their section

[heartbrand]

Should've hired me, 165 pretty meh could've got you in the mid 170's bro

[heartbrand]

https://imageshack.com/scaled/large/545/lg54.jpg

[p-niner]

going to have to disagree as a software engineer i feel like a 1st round draft pick in the nfl with the amount of offers i got coming out of school

plus i got a damn signing bonus, shit was classic

Signing bonus.cus they want no excuses for do it urself bowl cuts

[Frieza_Prexus]

After seeing the direction this thread has taken, I don't want another word from the bluebies complaining about reds coming over to their section

It's on topic cause law school is academic PVP.

[heartbrand]

It's on topic cause law school is academic PVP.

havent' laughed that hard from forums in a long long time

[p-niner]

It's on topic cause law school is academic PVP.

I bet I could give more real life law experience and consultations to someone than HB can with his university degree.

Focused taxes? Lol get an accounting related degree its broader.

[big league chew]

Hawkins already made philosophy obsolete sry

[Pudge]

Hawkins already made philosophy obsolete sry

Please explain. Are you talking about the philosopher Hawkins or the recent statements of Hawking the physicist? I'm not familiar with Hawkins at all, just curious.

[heartbrand]

ya hawking U GOT ME

[p-niner]

http://www.digitaltrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/physicist_stephen_hawking.jpg

[heartbrand]

look @ those teeth, he in nihilum?

[Nirgon]

Job Outlook
Employment of computer programmers is expected to increase 12 percent from 2010 to 2020, about as fast as the average for all occupations. Since computer programming can be done from anywhere in the world, companies often hire programmers in countries that have lower wages.

You also get what you pay for.

Then you end up paying more for it because you have to employ them longer to get things done if ever.

Then you're out a lot of money, have to go through the hassle of firing them, getting their passwords, equipment, documentation (list rolls out the door) and have to pay a more locally based consulting company (read: compentent programmers with respectable salaries) to either try to refactor the mess and/or build it over again... at times nearly or completely from scratch.




Law school is definitely academic PvP but that depends where you go. The tough schools are VERY cut throat.

Speaking of people with respectable salaries or RL accomplishments, The Big Hawk is definitely didn't have 16 hours a day to EQ it up... not exactly Nihilum material. He's also probably terrible at EQ PvP, so maybe there's some room to discuss his app. Don't hold your breath.

[Frieza_Prexus]

The tough schools are VERY cut throat.

Interestingly, this trend is changing. The top schools are moving to pass/fail systems with the occasional smiley face and "good job!" sticker. For example, Despite its #1 rank, Yale is one of the least competitive schools, and it's actually a very collective community. They don't even rank the students within each class or graduate with honors with the theory being that "You went to Yale you already won." (The penis-measuring at Yale happens when it's time for clerkships)

You still see some fierce competition at the very top (Columbia, Georgetown, Cornell), but most of the competition happens at the lower ranked tier-1 schools like Baylor, and in the third-tier-toilet. For the lower ranked tier-1's that are still considered "good," like Baylor, only the top 4-5 PEOPLE get the biglaw positions and that's what sets it off.

For the 3rd/fourth tier schools people fight super hard to get those elusive upgrade transfers. If you can end up as #1 or 2 in your class at a 3rd tier, you can often transfer to a T14. In Texas, the holy grail is the UT transfer which is more difficult to get than a Harvard transfer if you're applying from out of state.

[Agatha]

Do what jupe did, skip school completely by hacking into the DoD when you are 12, help un named gov organization track terrorists for 6 years, get letter of rec from head of cyber command to one of the worlds biggest companies, become head of network security for said company. profit.

School is really for people who cannot do already. the people who can will always be ahead of you.

[p-niner]

agathas stories

[Agatha]

agathas stories

nah, jupes life is pretty much a blockbuster movie script waiting to happen. infact some hollywood types are interested in his story.

edit: he had a book written about him.

[p-niner]

ya, I can tell by his 15 year old voice he has done anything note worthy

[heartbrand]

So Jupe basically the dos exqius guy?

[SamwiseRed]

jupes the fat black guy on transformers?

[p-niner]

http://k44.kn3.net/taringa/3/2/2/6/9/8/2/danigolosina/206.gif?426

[K|mm Barely]

http://www.myremoteradio.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Hackers-Eugene-Plague.jpg

[Tomato King6]

Do what jupe did, skip school completely by hacking into the DoD when you are 12, help un named gov organization track terrorists for 6 years, get letter of rec from head of cyber command to one of the worlds biggest companies, become head of network security for said company. profit.

School is really for people who cannot do already. the people who can will always be ahead of you.

Part of this is true, you can have any degree you want, if you are fucking stupid you will never get or hold a real job, and a degree wont change much.

I don't however believe anything Agatha says as he is a giant troll.

[Silent]

Frankly I don't care what majority of people on the internet think, Tomato_king if you do live near us, and possibly knew of me or Agatha you wouldn't be making such a post. As for anything else, Anyone smart enough to look up some of the aliases and such I use can find a link to shit that happened. Friends I have made over the years from vztz to here in the EQ emu community that are close enough to know the real me know some of the story. IM ALREADY IN UR GIBSON EATING AWAY WITH THE COOKIE MONSTER! #main dot obs pras ago/phatty/rain/boxocide

[Snufz]

Made well over a quarter mil last year being a dirty bottom feeding oil pig super, you nerds afraid to get your hands dirty don't realize where the real money is at.

My education costed me around 3800$ total. GG.

Go get your pressure welding tickets, and rig up.

[Stasis01]

Made well over a quarter mil last year being a dirty bottom feeding oil pig super, you nerds afraid to get your hands dirty don't realize where the real money is at.

My education costed me around 3800$ total. GG.

Go get your pressure welding tickets, and rig up.

Couldn't hack it, always had a room mate and was never home - I can endure some shit as long as I get to go home at the end of each shift.

[runlvlzero]

Do what jupe did, skip school completely by hacking into the DoD when you are 12, help un named gov organization track terrorists for 6 years, get letter of rec from head of cyber command to one of the worlds biggest companies, become head of network security for said company. profit.

School is really for people who cannot do already. the people who can will always be ahead of you.

Tbh I'm almost with Agatha on this one however...

Some people go to school because they like what they want to learn. Not because of a big fat paycheck. For example, Tolkien liked language so he went to learn about language, not to become a millionaire. He rubbed elbows with the right people, made a language, wrote a few books. Enjoyed his life (I imagine).

However university in America is simply a pedigree system. Not many people go to actually learn shit. And most come out brainwashed as fuck. It's sad. End of story.

[Snufz]

Couldn't hack it, always had a room mate and was never home - I can endure some shit as long as I get to go home at the end of each shift.

True, to make the big bucks you will never be home, and likely on live out allowance in some shithole basement suite in fort mac or some pipeline.

[Littlegyno 9.0]

True, to make the big bucks you will never be home, and likely on live out allowance in some shithole basement suite in fort mac or some pipeline.

I'm gonna rape u man.

[Agatha]

I'm gonna rape u man.

i have ur cloak in my bag, u have until 9pm est to collect it or im deleting this shit, its taking up precious malchite space.

[p-niner]

Im a big time hacker and steal governkent secrets. Im gonna brag about it on the internet cus rral hackers feel the need to tell random nobodies. All of my aliases are easily traced look me up for proof. Ps dont tell the authorities.

[Silent]

Im a big time hacker and steal governkent secrets. Im gonna brag about it on the internet cus rral hackers feel the need to tell random nobodies. All of my aliases are easily traced look me up for proof. Ps dont tell the authorities.

Bad troll is bad, doesn't suite you. Also I was caught, so no need to run off spilling super secret haxxing info mang. Stop being jealous and come back with something else like bla bla you play a 14 year old elf simulator or IMMERSION LEVEL TOO HIGH DETECTED. Every 'hacker' has a reason why something is done, ego, greed, power, recognition/fame, fixing vulnerabilities, fun etc or a mixture of most.

[Bazia]

ah my favorite of the annoying online personality list

the "fake super hacker / software designer" personality

if Nirgon comes around he can shed more light on this common phenomenon

[runlvlzero]

Please fix microsofts vulnrabilities and create a truly anonymous f2p network so we can warez 4 life without having to know shit or pay for a shitty vpn out of hong kong

[p-niner]

Bad troll is bad, doesn't suite you. Also I was caught, so no need to run off spilling super secret haxxing info mang. Stop being jealous and come back with something else like bla bla you play a 14 year old elf simulator or IMMERSION LEVEL TOO HIGH DETECTED. Every 'hacker' has a reason why something is done, ego, greed, power, recognition/fame, fixing vulnerabilities, fun etc or a mixture of most.

i don't use any of those commonly used troll phrases

i also don't believe anyone that calls themselves a hacker

it's like walking around telling people ur a 007 agent, borderline mental handicap

[heartbrand]

Lolololol good post reddi

[Nirgon]

ah my favorite of the annoying online personality list

the "fake super hacker / software designer" personality

if Nirgon comes around he can shed more light on this common phenomenon

http://www.reocities.com/saffell_007/RockEyebrow.jpg

[heartbrand]

Rock n sock connection

[Nirgon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U09oXyiAkOc

A must watch

Whole thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKny0KW4ODM

[SamwiseRed]

JR makes epic moments even more epic

[Awwalike]

there is only 1 raid mob in solb/perma = raid zone
there is only 1 raid mob in ej/sf = non-raid zone

makes sense




better start selling them locket of escapes LUL

[Silent]

i don't use any of those commonly used troll phrases

i also don't believe anyone that calls themselves a hacker

it's like walking around telling people ur a 007 agent, borderline mental handicap

Never called myself a hacker, Refer below. As I said before, Doesn't suite you.

Im a big time hacker and steal governkent secrets. Im gonna brag about it on the internet cus rral hackers feel the need to tell random nobodies. All of my aliases are easily traced look me up for proof. Ps dont tell the authorities.

[Agatha]

silent is way to modest, he helped set up the NSA mass spying infrastructure (seriously).

[Sickpuppy]

Confirmed silent is a hacker he once changed my background. On my computer to a pic of his sister

[Sektor]

Confirmed silent is a hacker he once changed my background. On my computer to a pic of his sister

lol

[Sirken]

listen,

if the game lets you physically bind yourself there, then you can, and are allowed to bind there.

If the game does not let you physically bind yourself there, then you can not, and are not allowed to bind there. (the ONLY exception that will ever exist is the firepot room in TD)

it really truly is not that hard to understand.