PSA: ATTN - If you are bound in raid zones, read this

[mostbitter]

I'm just glad nihilum is finally getting their turn on the receiving end of silly unwritten rules. Kind of strange that a bunch of people who aren't bound in permafrost are so vehemently arguing for it to not be changed or for people to receive special treatment just because they have gotten away with being bound there for so long.

[heartbrand]

I'm only arguing about it because I personally witnessed amelinda say it was ok, saw people use these binds for months and months subsequently to trivialize the fear break in, saw a log of Ephi confirming its ok, and now suddenly it's a bannable exploit. This server needs written rules and a clear and consistent application of rulings. I got banned here once for two days because mellow yellow accused me of running an RMT ring. Do you understand how retarded that is? You tunak got banned for something that had no rule, you of all people should understand.

I think what's most frustrating though here is I was part of the thread arguing for changes to red in which one of them was disabling binds. Not once in that 20 page thread did anyone mention retroactively removing binds and in fact many people changed their bind to these zones because of a possible change. The players asked for the change not the devs and they never asked about retro removing binds and the staff / devs never commented either until they gave their ok to it (Ephi and amelinda).

Countless changes are made to this game and in 95% of them retro nerfs aren't applied. Gear is removed from the game, TD bind change etc., but only in the most game breaking circumstances are retro nerfs applied. All of precedent is against retro nerfs and this is the case in life as well hence the term being grandfathered in.

What pisses me off more here despite all that is that even though this was 100% a player requested feature there's no willingness now to revisit the matter, it's being treated as though this were a rule made by the staff for the server that they're now going to tighten up on to get us into line which couldn't be further from the truth. To me, it just illustrates the vast disconnect between some of the staff and the player base when it comes to this server, it has nothing to do with guild tags or players to me.

Nothing else possible for me to even say on this matter, everyone should change their binds because that's the rule now and that's how it works when you play someone else's game, but lets not punish people for wanting to have civil discourse about the rule or its implications going forward.

[Sickpuppy]

^^^ holy fucking moly

[big league chew]

^^^ holy fucking moly

[heartbrand]

Blue ribbon school from Connecticut education bro

[Elderan]

Nizzar blatantly ignored the rule from classic, why is that hard to understand?

Show the post where it stated you needed to change your bind from these zones before Sirkens post yesterday.

[big league chew]

yeh i can identify about 15 of the 51 states

lets go whalers

[p-niner]

Nobody reads your essays bro.

I like how you claim ' witnessed Amelinda say it was ok"

Law school, is that a valid argument?

[heartbrand]

Whatever like nothing's going to happen here, we won't be revisiting the need or lack thereof for the non classic FFA distinction just like resists are never going to be addressed, pillars aren't going to be addressed, high sun won't be addressed, enchanter and bard mez, etc., etc.

While this server, at least on red, seems to be more and more custom than classic ill give them credit for keeping one part of eq classic as fuck. You're in their world now.

[Sickpuppy]

By the time you pay off your student loans I will be 1.1million saved in the bank ahead of you congrats

[heartbrand]

Nobody reads your essays bro.

I like how you claim ' witnessed Amelinda say it was ok"

Law school, is that a valid argument?

I like how you claim no one reads and then you quote it. All an argument needs is a premise and a conclusion to be valid, so yes it's a valid argument. Sounds like you're questioning the validity of my premise.

[heartbrand]

By the time you pay off your student loans I will be 1.1million saved in the bank ahead of you congrats

Money is one thing ill never have to worry about, so I always giggle when people try to troll me about it.

[Sickpuppy]

Tissues anyone ?

[Elderan]

Nobody reads your essays bro.

I like how you claim ' witnessed Amelinda say it was ok"

Law school, is that a valid argument?


Originally Posted by p-niner View Post
Nizzar blatantly ignored the rule from classic, why is that hard to understand?

Show the post where it stated you needed to change your bind from these zones before Sirkens post yesterday.

[SamwiseRed]

Show the post where it stated you needed to change your bind from these zones before Sirkens post yesterday.

u a moran or something? if binding was removed from these zones because of unfair pvp advantages, why the hell would you think if you are already bound there you are good to go? i know its your job to act like a retard on the forums but dayum get a brain.

[p-niner]

I like how you claim no one reads and then you quote it. All an argument needs is a premise and a conclusion to be valid, so yes it's a valid argument. Sounds like you're questioning the validity of my premise.

Quoted u lol?

[p-niner]

Show the post where it stated you needed to change your bind from these zones before Sirkens post yesterday.

How many months aftet kunark release was it before u rolled here
again?

[Nirgon]

Okay for the whiners...

You guys got away with fucking murder exploiting content for a year and currently your guild leader is exempt from a deserved banning.

Change your fucking bind spot.

Stop relying on invis pulling shit through perma and, oh no the worst thing in the world..... some of the people who aren't in your guild (who has had nearly free reign of content, server resets and patch notes made in their favor) will be able to grind an old world frozen basement with no item or cash drops.

I mean are you serious? You're really STILL complaining (24 hours later even) about this after everything that's been handed to you, done for you and looked the other way when you did it?

Absolutely fucking pathetic. Not trolling, I actually feed bad for how pathetic that is. Just...

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/disgusted-clint-eastwood.gif

[Sirken]

Sirken,
Would anyone bound in these zones be given a bind at pots since they would of bound there if they knew this would be changed? I don't really care about binds but it would at least be fair to bind those characters at the pots.
lol, no. thats the dumbest shit ive read in this thread so far.

[Stinkum]

dumb as fuck yea but i still think heartbrand comparing this ruling to the prohibition and slavery takes the cake

[SamwiseRed]

omg sirken just diamon cutter'd twainz lul

http://i.imgur.com/1PuYz.gif

[Twain]

lol, no. thats the dumbest shit ive read in this thread so far.

No need to be mean bro. Was only asking a question. Never once have I said anything you said was dumb. I might disagree with different things, but I would not call your opinions dumb.

[SamwiseRed]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-N9nn1oHXyaQ/UaJ6oJKzKwI/AAAAAAAAAok/2GXADUIYeGk/Brock%252520Lesnar%252520%252526%252520The%252520B ig%252520Show%252520-%252520Ring%252520Collapse%252520Superplex.jpg

[big league chew]

man yd u have to hurt his feelings so hard

no one deserves that

[Kraftwerk]

It was p stupid though, even by Twainz standards

[Elderan]

u a moran or something? if binding was removed from these zones because of unfair pvp advantages, why the hell would you think if you are already bound there you are good to go? i know its your job to act like a retard on the forums but dayum get a brain.

There is no precedent for this. When binding was removed from TD no one said you had to change your bind. So when binding was removed from Perma/Solb and they did not mention having to change your bind and multiple GM confirmed this was OK how in the world would you expect someone to know the will of another gm who came to this server much later and sets a new rule.

Sam, I refuse to believe that you are that stupid.

[SamwiseRed]

binding being removed from td was a classic change not because it provided unintended pvp advantages. again are you really arguing this? not sure if earning dkp or going full retard.

[Sirken]

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[Elderan]

My final thoughts on this thread.

People were never told to move their binds. They know this is the rule NOW. That those bound there must move their binds or risk suspension. Anyone who had a bind there before sirkens post yesterday was not exploiting because there was no rule until yesterday.

These zones being unbindable at this point is outdated and should be reviewed and possibly changed back bindable zones.

The End..

[Twain]

i'm sorry :(

i truly cant tell which of your guildies are simply trolling me for the sake of trolling me in this thread. if youre asking a legit question, you deserve a legit answer.

regardless of whether i think it was a good idea, the ability for players to bind themselves in Solb and Perma has been disabled. exactly why or when, i do not know. it was pointed out to me recently and i finally had time to check it out this week. after i saw it was true, in the essence of fairness, i made this thread.

bind was removed from from these zones for a reason, and for whatever reason the staff didnt want players bound there. Some players took this to mean they didnt have to change their bind (even though they were the entire reason binding was disabled, but moving on). Now instead of just straight out banning players, in the spirit of fairness, i decided to give all players until July 1, which i thought was a fair amount of time to rebind.

the reason they arent getting TD bind is because 1) TD is not a bindable zone at this point in the timeline. 2)why on earth would i reward players for trying to circumvent the server rules, or the staff's wishes?

this is not about trying to fuck one group or another group. this is about keeping things fair for EVERYBODY of all groups and guilds.

(consider that my last post in this thread, as i now consider the issue thoroughly explained)

I don't troll GMs dawg. Unless you were Zade, then I might. This is more of the answer I was looking for though. Thank you for that =).

[Nirgon]

You know what? You're right. It's total bull shit, don't move your binds.

[Twain]

My final thoughts on this thread.

People were never told to move their binds. They know this is the rule NOW. That those bound there must move their binds or risk suspension. Anyone who had a bind there before sirkens post yesterday was not exploiting because there was no rule until yesterday.

These zones being unbindable at this point is outdated and should be reviewed and possibly changed back bindable zones.

The End..

Stop posting, start rogue epic MQing for me!

[Nirgon]

Nizz will get his bind changed for him, everyone else will get banned

[heartbrand]

This whole thread is retarded, if this was Andis or Lite or someone who had their bind in perma and used it to grief Nihilum and this post was made everyone in this thread would be saying "THE GMS ARE AGAINST US ITS NIHILUM FAVORITISM AGAIN BLAH BLAH", 100% not even a doubt in my mind. You'd have Nirgon going full retard quoting all the posts that confirm that changing binds was never the intent of the patch, screenshots being posted, logs upon logs, Nirgon would be the one with 100 posts in this thread not me, etc. But since this theoretically is "punishing" Nihilum [even though in fact there are far more non-nihilum members with these now "exploitative" binds than nihilum members], everyone on ForumQuest is on board as it being the greatest decision since the inception of the server.

[heartbrand]

i'm sorry :(

i truly cant tell which of your guildies are simply trolling me for the sake of trolling me in this thread. if youre asking a legit question, you deserve a legit answer.

regardless of whether i think it was a good idea, the ability for players to bind themselves in Solb and Perma has been disabled. exactly why or when, i do not know. it was pointed out to me recently and i finally had time to check it out this week. after i saw it was true, in the essence of fairness, i made this thread.

bind was removed from from these zones for a reason, and for whatever reason the staff didnt want players bound there. Some players took this to mean they didnt have to change their bind (even though they were the entire reason binding was disabled, but moving on). Now instead of just straight out banning players, in the spirit of fairness, i decided to give all players until July 1, which i thought was a fair amount of time to rebind.

the reason they arent getting TD bind is because 1) TD is not a bindable zone at this point in the timeline. 2)why on earth would i reward players for trying to circumvent the server rules, or the staff's wishes?

this is not about trying to fuck one group or another group. this is about keeping things fair for EVERYBODY of all groups and guilds.

(consider that my last post in this thread, as i now consider the issue thoroughly explained)

I wish you had posted in that spirit the first time, but I respect it. The only "issue" I have with your post is that this was a player requested feature, not a dev/staff requested feature, and as such, I would think or request that the issue be able to be revisited down the road to see if it had the intended effect that the players were hoping it would have. In my opinion, it has not.

[Nirgon]

Uh no I wouldn't bud because they wouldn't be acting like this over changing binds.

I also don't think they invis pull everything under the sun and rely on it to do content.

[Kraftwerk]

This whole thread is retarded, if this was Andis or Lite or someone who had their bind in perma and used it to grief Nihilum and this post was made everyone in this thread would be saying "THE GMS ARE AGAINST US ITS NIHILUM FAVORITISM AGAIN BLAH BLAH", 100% not even a doubt in my mind. You'd have Nirgon going full retard quoting all the posts that confirm that changing binds was never the intent of the patch, screenshots being posted, logs upon logs, Nirgon would be the one with 100 posts in this thread not me, etc. But since this theoretically is "punishing" Nihilum [even though in fact there are far more non-nihilum members with these now "exploitative" binds than nihilum members], everyone on ForumQuest is on board as it being the greatest decision since the inception of the server.

That's one of the Pros of not being in Nihilum. Let me list out one of the being in Nihilum Pros for you though:

-Getting all the loot

You're welcome.

[heartbrand]

Invis pulling is gay and dumb, and I'm glad it's being changed, and I've always voiced my opinion that I'd rather clear through zones like VP, despite how tedious it is, than use it.

[Stinkum]

http://i.imgur.com/MDbbEf6.png

[heartbrand]

That's one of the Pros of not being in Nihilum. Let me list out one of the being in Nihilum Pros for you though:

-Getting all the loot

You're welcome.

Other pros of being in Nihilum

- Not having to wait three hours to start your raid because Sickpuppy and Sealer are busy farming items

- Not having people ninja fungis for "mains" and then sell them three seconds later

- Not having to deal with Ezpk mood swings

- Not having to have Andis as your guild leader

- Not having to have Lite call your pvp strats for you

- Not having to take two hours to buff up Andis with agility buffs before you engage in PVP

- Not having to fight over loot with three different guilds in your alliance

- Not having to deal with Brobb / Andis / Lite fighting each other over merging / not merging every day

[Nirgon]

- not wearing a Nihilum tag

[gloinz]

This whole thread is retarded, if this was Andis or Lite or someone who had their bind in perma and used it to grief Nihilum and this post was made everyone in this thread would be saying "THE GMS ARE AGAINST US ITS NIHILUM FAVORITISM AGAIN BLAH BLAH", 100% not even a doubt in my mind. You'd have Nirgon going full retard quoting all the posts that confirm that changing binds was never the intent of the patch, screenshots being posted, logs upon logs, Nirgon would be the one with 100 posts in this thread not me, etc. But since this theoretically is "punishing" Nihilum [even though in fact there are far more non-nihilum members with these now "exploitative" binds than nihilum members], everyone on ForumQuest is on board as it being the greatest decision since the inception of the server.

100% spot on pal

the forumquest zerg is a quite dedicated, bitter folk

[p-niner]

My final thoughts on this thread.

People were never told to move their binds. They know this is the rule NOW. That those bound there must move their binds or risk suspension. Anyone who had a bind there before sirkens post yesterday was not exploiting because there was no rule until yesterday.

These zones being unbindable at this point is outdated and should be reviewed and possibly changed back bindable zones.

The End..

Guy joins server 4 months ago. Says nobody was informed about rule made 1 year ago.

I know u pride yourself as an accomplished dps parser, please try to keep up with simple math involving months and years.

[Twain]

Guy joins server 4 months ago. Says nobody was informed about rule made 1 year ago.

I know u pride yourself as an accomplished dps parser, please try to keep up with simple math involving months and years.

If they clearly said, CHANGE YOUR BINDS, please post evidence. If there was just a patch that said you were unable to bind in those zones, stfu.

[p-niner]

I wish you had posted in that spirit the first time, but I respect it. The only "issue" I have with your post is that this was a player requested feature, not a dev/staff requested feature, and as such, I would think or request that the issue be able to be revisited down the road to see if it had the intended effect that the players were hoping it would have. In my opinion, it has not.

Hehe nihilum requested feature, they cant even follow their own mandates

[p-niner]

Guy joins server 4 months ago. Says nobody was informed about rule made 1 year ago.

I know u pride yourself as an accomplished dps parser, please try to keep up with simple math involving months and years.

Goes fir Twainz also minus the dps parsing

[p-niner]

Us server historians are being challenged by children that just had their ffirst beer. Ima learns u tho. Ima learns u.

[Twain]

Goes fir Twainz also minus the dps parsing

Says the rule was made and everyone was told to change their binds.

Provides no evidence.

[heartbrand]

Since I was the one who brought the issue to Rogean's attention, I'd think I would know a lil somethin about it u no?

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=72572&highlight=bind

[Stinkum]

a free, private everquest server staffed by volunteers has politely asked the community to change their bind point from previously prohibited zones with a full week's notice and no punishments

"THE WORLD IS ENDING THE WORLD IS ENDING THIS IS EXACTLY LIKE PROHIBITION AND SLAVERY ARE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH FASCISM? THE WORLD IS ENDING SIRKEN IS BASICALLY HITLER"

[heartbrand]

no1 is saying the world is ending, just asking to possibly revisit the underlying rationale of the rule, one requested by players, to see if it still applies or should be expanded / removed. why this continues to befuddle people in this thread I'll never know, but my guess is it's a combination of nihilum hatred and dum

[SamwiseRed]

what is the point of being bound there besides shitty on lvl 52 raids? it also allows 53+ clerics bound there to keep gating back and CHing 52 raiders after being banished. the rule wouldnt have been put in place if people werent abusing something.

[Nirgon]

I'm sure nothing bad will happen if you stay bound there.

Worst case you can always say you were going to but couldn't last night to see if he'll really do it then try to get unbanned.

What's the worst that could happen.

[p-niner]

Since I was the one who brought the issue to Rogean's attention, I'd think I would know a lil somethin about it u no?

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=72572&highlight=bind

Thanks

Looks like no binding in ffa raid zones

Whats the issue? It doesnt say "bind therr now like TD before we turn it off" it was done to prevent zerging raid mobs with trains and allowing 1 person to stop a raid.

Damn u guys are dumb as dirt

[heartbrand]

The rule was before Kunark, so everything you just said makes no sense. We, the players, requested it, because at the time casters spawned with a full mana bar and exp loss on pvp was negligible, so you had casters like wizards who could one shot people insta popping dropping bombs over and over. Once the patch went in that removed mana from casters upon death the whole concept of bind-rushing disappeared, and the underlying rationale for the removal of binding from zones in which it was enabled in classic no longer seemed to apply. However, if you are to think in fact that bind-rushing is still an epidemic on Red99, then the same logic that was used to argue for the implementation of that change should lead you to the conclusion that KC should be flagged FFA as well.

[SamwiseRed]

The rule was before Kunark, so everything you just said makes no sense. We, the players, requested it, because at the time casters spawned with a full mana bar and exp loss on pvp was negligible, so you had casters like wizards who could one shot people insta popping dropping bombs over and over. Once the patch went in that removed mana from casters upon death the whole concept of bind-rushing disappeared, and the underlying rationale for the removal of binding from zones in which it was enabled in classic no longer seemed to apply. However, if you are to think in fact that bind-rushing is still an epidemic on Red99, then the same logic that was used to argue for the implementation of that change should lead you to the conclusion that KC should be flagged FFA as well.

i thought casters spawned with however much mana they had when they died. but i do agree, KC was a no bind zone on live. no idea why people can bind there atm.

[p-niner]

, just asking to possibly revisit the underlying rationale of the rule, one requested by players, to see if it still applies or should be expanded / removed. why this continues to befuddle people in this thread I'll never know, but my guess is it's a combination of nihilum hatred and dum

SOme guilds are just getting into vox and naggy loot. Why do you think just because nilly doesny need to worry about their vox raid being disrupted anymore makes the rule dumb now? Supreme rallyd nizzar tune all fought to have the bind remove d so holo could bind train. Not sure if ur srs.

PLEASE stay bound there tho.

[heartbrand]

I actually vaguely remember that as well tbh, but the point is the same, you could still pop, drop an ice comet, die, pop another ice comet, die, repeat until yes eventually you'd run oom. The whole bind-rushing thing was never even that big an issue, I think it hurt holo once pretty bad in Fear when half of Nihilum was bound there and kept popping up like Saphira and Destin after we killed them and they'd proceed to drop bolts / ice comets over and over.

[heartbrand]

SOme guilds are just getting into vox and naggy loot. Why do you think just because nilly doesny need to worry about their vox raid being disrupted anymore makes the rule dumb now? Supreme rallyd nizzar tune all fought to have the bind remove d so holo could bind train. Not sure if ur srs.

PLEASE stay bound there tho.

1) I'm not bound there. 2) Why do you keep focusing on Permafrost while ignoring the other FFA zones and whether or not the list should be expanded? 3) Do you really think being bound in perma matters if someone really wanted to stop someones raid there? It's FFA, you can bind @ the zone in and it takes 20 seconds to run in with 60's to wherever the raids at and crush them.

[Nirgon]

Invis pulling things to charm out of the pit. Next question.

Who cares anyway HB? Lady Vox can be killed with 6 people in classic, less even LOL (credit for this knowledge given to Supreme).

[p-niner]

Ok solb and perma u dumb fuck

Skyfire ej kc are not ffa move on

[heartbrand]

Ok solb and perma u dumb fuck

Sol B / Perma / Fear / Sebilis / VP / Sky / Hate are the current FFA zones

[heartbrand]

Ok solb and perma u dumb fuck

Skyfire ej kc are not ffa move on

Right, and my very simple point is that perhaps they should be based upon the logic that was used for requesting the change to Sol B and Perma. The distinction of what made Sol B and Perma FFA [ a non-classic arbitrarily applied distinction ] was that they had "raid mobs". Doesn't KC have a raid mob? Doesn't SF? Doesn't EJ? So what is your logical basis for saying those shouldn't be? If your only logical explanation is that because it's been arbitrarily decided as such then you truly are retarded.

edit: And this WILL become a big issue in Velious with zones like Kael and Skyshrine. Should those be FFA which would mean binding would be disabled, despite the importance for melees of being able to be bound in those zones? You keep fixating on permafrost, an empty zone which was never even an issue on this server when the change was made, while ignoring the far greater ramifications.

[K|mm Barely]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/426/114/26b.jpg

[p-niner]

Sounds like your injecting a discussion that should be done in bugs or with nilbog and rogean. Comply with existing rules or dont stop argueing. Your guild wanted no bind in ffa raid zones. Deal with it.

Nizzarr will continue to manipulate and bend all rules and trivialize content. His pixilated warriors will continue to defend.

[heartbrand]

That might be the most retarded post I have ever read on the forums, including posts by Kimm.

[K|mm Barely]

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/426/137/e39.png

[Andis]

for the record: andis never led azrael, maybe few fights thats bout it.

lite did most of the leading

[p-niner]

That might be the most retarded post I have ever read on the forums, including posts by Kimm.

Lol ok

[p-niner]

Sol B / Perma / Fear / Sebilis / VP / Sky / Hate are the current FFA zones

Lists FFA zones with level 46 requirement


Well played

[heartbrand]

The level cap is 60 currently, and it's the the FFA distinction that decides whether binding is enabled or disabled, a non-classic distinction that has been arbitrarily applied on what I would guess is the premise of zones with dwagonz. That same premise would lead to other zones needing FFA distinctions as well, and half of Velious zones needing FFA distinctions, but that would mean you wouldn't be able to bind in zones like Kael and Skyshrine which would cripple melees. This ain't rocket science.

[p-niner]

Start a new thread and discuss FFa zones

Cant wait for Monday

[Nizzarr]

This is the perfect thread for it.

[Nizzarr]

p-niner obviously just trolls and doesnt play on this server. Gonna take a wild guess and say its gotta be some neglecting parent somewhere in california wearing the ugliest goatee ive ever seen.

[big league chew]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/image.php?u=246&dateline=1351996987

[STILLnotMORNIN]

p-niner obviously just trolls and doesnt play on this server. Gonna take a wild guess and say its gotta be some neglecting parent somewhere in california wearing the ugliest goatee ive ever seen.

Neglecting parent with ugly goatee?

Sounds like a red99 player already...



Didnt read this thread but does this mean you cant be bound in Permafrost anymore Nizzar after about 2 years?

A change we can believe in

[heartbrand]

p-niner obviously just trolls and doesnt play on this server. Gonna take a wild guess and say its gotta be some neglecting parent somewhere in california wearing the ugliest goatee ive ever seen.

http://i.imgur.com/ouOsJcW.gif

[Nizzarr]

Neglecting parent with ugly goatee?

Sounds like a red99 player already...



Didnt read this thread but does this mean you cant be bound in Permafrost anymore Nizzar after about 2 years?

A change we can believe in

Could care less about changing my alt druid bind -- I care more about the rationales behind it.

Seems theres not a lot of logic going on around here, much like spawning 4 gods on the 25 people that shows up to an event announced two weeks in advance.

[Andis]

Nizzar you mad that Andis is the Bounty Hunter??

[Sickpuppy]

Lol still mad that we sniped threefitty I see

[heartbrand]

Nizzar you mad that Andis is the Bounty Hunter??

You warn Abysal/FC to change their binds yet?

[Sickpuppy]

You warn Abysal/FC to change their binds yet?

Did you warn nizzar yet ?

[STILLnotMORNIN]

Ya FC is bound inside Temple of Veeshan on his cleric which is a no bind zone..

cheatr

[heartbrand]

Did you warn nizzar yet ?

Just a guess, but my hunch is he has been warned.

[heartbrand]

Ya FC is bound inside Temple of Veeshan on his cleric which is a no bind zone..

cheatr

fuckin jersey SCUM glad the nets got the FUCK out of there

[quido]

Nizzarr post your picture so I can see it please. I've only ever heard about it.

[Andis]

You warn Abysal/FC to change their binds yet?

they dont even play

[Andis]

andis, krazy, lite

outran 25 nihi and managed to slay treefitty

lololol

[heartbrand]

they dont even play

guess they're going to be bbbbbbbannnnnned then

[Andis]

guess they're going to be bbbbbbbannnnnned then

text sent

[heartbrand]

For the record, I like Abysal a lot he's cool dude, FC faggot tho

[p-niner]

p-niner obviously just trolls and doesnt play on this server. Gonna take a wild guess and say its gotta be some neglecting parent somewhere in california wearing the ugliest goatee ive ever seen.

Pier alexis trying to make rl attacks after his sunny D smile was posted on boards. Hows your dad doing?

Think your mad I have a beautiful family and dont cheat on everquest. I do play fyi.

[heartbrand]

Pier alexis trying to make rl attacks after his sunny D smile was posted on boards. Hows your dad doing?

Think your mad I have a beautiful family and dont cheat on everquest. I do play fyi.

Considering you were in Nihilum for 6 months while they were using bind points in sol b / fear / perma for this big time exploitative advantage, invis pulling, using FG's who were incorrectly flagged non-fearable, etc, etc., I'm pretty sure your hands dirty as fuck.

[Andis]

ya I wish Abysal was playing here, shit would be so different.

[heartbrand]

If he had high play time I think he could lead the opposition he's pretty level headed

[Andis]

he's just good - those fights at tranix lair over naggy at beginning of server

best fights this box has seen

FF for life

[heartbrand]

I'll agree wit dat one, the naggy wars were most fun PVP I've had on box yet

[Andis]

the real freez had nice video, not sure if someone can find it on youtube

[p-niner]

Considering you were in Nihilum for 6 months while they were using bind points in sol b / fear / perma for this big time exploitative advantage, invis pulling, using FG's who were incorrectly flagged non-fearable, etc, etc., I'm pretty sure your hands dirty as fuck.

Didnt knoe until the end when I asked how he got the bears to raid. Only tune knew the secret.

My farts smell like lysol shits so clean.

[Nirgon]

Doesn't care, continues to make back to back rage filled posts

[heartbrand]

the real freez had nice video, not sure if someone can find it on youtube

http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/33/andinls.jpg

http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/689/andagaini.jpg

http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/829/andagainagain.jpg

http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/266/rettidown.jpg

[heartbrand]

http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/707/mendan.jpg

[Nirgon]

Nizzar moves bind

Server reset 3 times in the next week as atonement

[Tomato King6]

I'm only arguing about it because I personally witnessed amelinda say it was ok, saw people use these binds for months and months subsequently to trivialize the fear break in, saw a log of Ephi confirming its ok, and now suddenly it's a bannable exploit. This server needs written rules and a clear and consistent application of rulings. I got banned here once for two days because mellow yellow accused me of running an RMT ring. Do you understand how retarded that is? You tunak got banned for something that had no rule, you of all people should understand.

I think what's most frustrating though here is I was part of the thread arguing for changes to red in which one of them was disabling binds. Not once in that 20 page thread did anyone mention retroactively removing binds and in fact many people changed their bind to these zones because of a possible change. The players asked for the change not the devs and they never asked about retro removing binds and the staff / devs never commented either until they gave their ok to it (Ephi and amelinda).

Countless changes are made to this game and in 95% of them retro nerfs aren't applied. Gear is removed from the game, TD bind change etc., but only in the most game breaking circumstances are retro nerfs applied. All of precedent is against retro nerfs and this is the case in life as well hence the term being grandfathered in.

What pisses me off more here despite all that is that even though this was 100% a player requested feature there's no willingness now to revisit the matter, it's being treated as though this were a rule made by the staff for the server that they're now going to tighten up on to get us into line which couldn't be further from the truth. To me, it just illustrates the vast disconnect between some of the staff and the player base when it comes to this server, it has nothing to do with guild tags or players to me.

Nothing else possible for me to even say on this matter, everyone should change their binds because that's the rule now and that's how it works when you play someone else's game, but lets not punish people for wanting to have civil discourse about the rule or its implications going forward.

to sum it up

server not fair

don't play here

THE END

[Andis]

old ass pics

long live

FF

[Tomato King6]

ALERT

checkraise has tips on , not even kidding look at his pics

[heartbrand]

I had reinstalled and didn't turn em off @ the time, you caught me.

[Twain]

ALERT

checkraise has tips on , not even kidding look at his pics

ALERT

Tomato gets griefed off the server multiple times. Probably wouldn't of been griefed so bad if he read the tips on how to play.

[STILLnotMORNIN]

http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/33/andinls.jpg

Checkraise lvl 60 still need EQ Tips on how to play game.

Shits Classic

[Agatha]

I'll agree wit dat one, the naggy wars were most fun PVP I've had on box yet

agree good times back then

[Nirgon]

Tip of the Day: Don't brag about a kill shot to your current enemies displaying kills of your current guild with "show me tips" still enabled

[Agatha]

i remember that day, every single person that died there was slain by me, including medan.

[p-niner]

PvP w 2 yaks

Lol k

[heartbrand]

2 yaks against rooted targets, which was basically what all pvp in classic was a bunch of rooted casters, is far superior to dat big 25/40 skarlon with no damage bonus, combined with the stun proc, hence why checkraise alive saluting ur dead corpse. I feel like people still haven't figured out that there's no 2 hand damage bonus on this server.

[Something'Witty]

I feel like people still haven't figured out that there's no 2 hand damage bonus on this server.

Dis true?

[heartbrand]

Yes doesn't go in until velious

[heartbrand]

Tip of the Day: Don't brag about a kill shot to your current enemies displaying kills of your current guild with "show me tips" still enabled

:rolleyes:

[gloinz]

naw dawg it's in
noticed it was ninja patched awhile ago on my pally who was suddenly swinging hard like a champ

[gloinz]

better tip of the day: 1 killshot is worth 10,000 posts

[Andis]

all i do is slay, slay, slay, no matter what

got blood on my mind, i can never get enough

[heartbrand]

naw dawg it's in
noticed it was ninja patched awhile ago on my pally who was suddenly swinging hard like a champ

My wurmslayer 25 dmg does the same amount as a Skarlon sword

[Nirgon]

better tip of the day: 1 killshot is worth 10,000 posts

So I have 4,010,000 posts and change.

Got it.

[gloinz]

My wurmslayer 25 dmg does the same amount as a Skarlon sword

as of when? its pretty recent I think like 2 or 3 months since delay bonus was put in

gonna have to evoke the no ss didn't happen defense as well as offense

[p-niner]

2 yaks against rooted targets, which was basically what all pvp in classic was a bunch of rooted casters, is far superior to dat big 25/40 skarlon with no damage bonus, combined with the stun proc, hence why checkraise alive saluting ur dead corpse. I feel like people still haven't figured out that there's no 2 hand damage bonus on this server.

Thanks for saluting my corpse it shows respect.

Dont think u even touched me once at the fight, I was juking Stasis entire time survived the fight and came back to snipe either dacuk or bamzal after they rezzed in and stasis finally got me. Well played.

[Something'Witty]

Does quitting the server result in a negative post count?

[heartbrand]

Literally never seen Nirgon kill anyone. I do recall him focusing billy during mass pvp though and ignoring the assist calls. Also never seen rettiwalk kill someone, yet these guys two of reds biggest posters. Intredasting.

[p-niner]

Google rettiwalk press images

Search rettiwalk productions youtube

L2pvp

[Nirgon]

I dunno ask the experts.

Seriously 2 handed damage was too high during our classic period. That shit was garbage until that Velious patch. Notice the warrior botb no one is even thinking about using 2handers. It was all about nasty procs.

[Nirgon]

Literally never seen Nirgon kill anyone.

Lol.

Well, I literally saw too many Heartbrand corpses in Lower Guk in his "prime".

[Faerie]

Well, I literally saw too many Heartbrand corpses in Lower Guk in his "prime".

What does this sentence mean? Literally too many corpses for what?

[heartbrand]

Guk pvp was a blast got hundreds of killshots and died as well. I killed shamans and wizards, chanters and bards etc., and it was a blast. At any time of the day you could log on into guk and have instant pvp. I stole many a manastone, cock blocked the server from guises for quite some time and stole some smr's. sorry you were too busy researching Trakanon as resist rates on blue to be there

[GrobbGangsta]

Blue ribbon school from Connecticut education bro

Then why did you got to Maryland law, a reject school for pseudo-intellectuals where not a single grad gets a 160 job? Sorry bro, UMD fucking sucks and no matter how many verbose paragraphs you throw around you are still a pretender

[p-niner]

Hue

[heartbrand]

Because my wife and her family live in maryland where she is being prepped for taking over the family business. Any other questions?

[gloinz]

Google rettiwalk press images

Search rettiwalk productions youtube

L2pvp

google gloinz images

its a treasure trove of pvp glory

http://imageshack.us/a/img53/2789/collageofdeath.jpg

[p-niner]

A/s/l/pics and estimated networth

[GrobbGangsta]

Because my wife and her family live in maryland where she is being prepped for taking over the family business. Any other questions?

Couldn't get into Georgetown, mad about it, projects insecurity on elf forum with lofty diction, hopes nobody will know the difference

;(

[Faerie]

Gloinzz why would you paste pictures of yourself complaining about pvp in wow?

[Slothe]

What are all these garbage comments about peoples psyche?

This is a everquest forum, I like to bind in Grobb myself.

[gloinz]

Gloinzz why would you paste pictures of yourself complaining about pvp in wow?

no basically some young fellow was getting slewn repeatedly in tarren mills, somehow gets on an alliance account and makes a character named gloinnz or w/e to talk to me on gloinz about how happy he was

[SamwiseRed]

lol allaince, scrub zergling in wow and eq. nice.

[Faerie]

no basically some young fellow was getting slewn repeatedly in tarren mills, somehow gets on an alliance account and makes a character named gloinnz or w/e to talk to me on gloinz about how happy he was

Yeah, I'm totally sure that's what happened :rolleyes:

[heartbrand]

Alliance was horribly out numbered, at least on my vanilla server

[gloinz]

lol allaince, scrub zergling in wow and eq. nice.

hilarious young samwise generalizing the 40+ servers dynamics into alliance = zerg bc of his bitterness towards the pvp champ

pretty sure I rolled on that server couple years back because alliance was massively outnumbered there

[SamwiseRed]

likely story from the pvp chump. reaching eldermoran levels of propaganda and lies.

[gloinz]

likely story from the pvp chump. reaching eldermoran levels of propaganda and lies.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Vashj_US


Population

Alliance 832 - 27%
Horde 2,310 - 74%
Alliance / Horde ratio 1 : 2.8

:rolleyes:

[GoodGuyAmes]

Sorry sam the only time I will ever agree with gloinzz is with his above post. Alliance/Horde ratios varied wildly from server to server. Most servers were relatively even but they could be incredibly one sided as well.

[p-niner]

Talks about server balance from several years ago. Posts current data.

[SamwiseRed]

not sure how much i trust the wiki. first part doesnt sound right unless all the horde were hiding in instances.

Frostmane is a PvP server in the Central Timezone, US. Originally released in February 2005, the transfers from the Frostwolf realm greatly changed the dynamic of the server in August 2005. For the first six months of its existence, Frostmane was predominantly populated by Horde, leading to a severely outnumbered Alliance. The influx of transfers from Frostwolf to Frostmane drastically increased the amount of Alliance players and pushed the Alliance/Horde ratio to an estimated 3:1.

not sure any of these statistics can be trusted.

[SamwiseRed]

ill just edit the wiki later to what i think it should be :)

[gloinz]

sry dawgs innocent until proven guilty

joined vashj specifically bc it had like a 5:1 horde to alliance pop when I started

let the bitterness flow through you young sam

[SamwiseRed]

okay skittles :P

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

my favorite part of this thread are two retards that weren't on this server 6 months ago trying to explain to us how the rules were a year and a half ago

[SamwiseRed]

eldermoran aims to pleases.

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRvomziKr3IrBXW8D4Jphz8WGONY4LeL UKYqTdwHGx18C6VZ7ac

[heartbrand]

my favorite part of this thread are two retards that weren't on this server 6 months ago trying to explain to us how the rules were a year and a half ago

O the irony coming from someone who was level 10 at the time this went down

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

forumquested hard enough at the time to understand 100% what was happening in-game, whereas twainz and elderan had literally no association with this server or its community

[p-niner]

Ima lerns u tho ima lerns u

[Dacuk]

fer the record the only FFs that kept bind in fear after it got changed was Hollix.. and that was because he quit. Maybe Salty too (lol). Yer infoz are wrong.

[heartbrand]

I raided with you guys in fear where we used the bind are you kidding? Do you not remember Bahamaut rezzing us, node being bound there etc.? Prolly have pics ill check later.

[hagard]

why am I not suprised to see HB still posting in this thread

[Nirgon]

the refusal to have dialogue.

I almost cannot stop laughing enough to post here but



































Did the thread say "I'd like to discuss binding in permafrost?"
















































No.



















It says.
























































Change your fucking bind points MORANS.
























I might be a lil punch drunk from work today but fuck me I am laughing hard @ this shit. Whew.

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

reminder

lol, no. thats the dumbest shit ive read in this thread so far.

[Nizzarr]

posting after clown posts

[Nirgon]

You know when I saw this thread initially I didn't see it spawning 20+ pages of retardation and hasidic Judaism

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

posting after clown posts

Nizzar the Disciple

[Agatha]

You know when I saw this thread initially I didn't see it spawning 20+ pages of retardation and hasidic Judaism

is even worse if u have less posts per page, 40 pages on my screen dog, 40 pages of nothing.

[Twain]

forumquested hard enough at the time to understand 100% what was happening in-game, whereas twainz and elderan had literally no association with this server or its community

I didn't realize asking questions was considered knowing the server? Thanks for informing me.

[Smedy]

Nizzar the Disciple

Quoted so nizzar can read, ignore won't save you pal.

Learn your fucking place you peasant, the Grandmaster already taught you a lesson, no need to be a stuck up cunt bro, dwell in your cave and don't crawl out unless you have pixels for me

[Pudge]

oh my god. tried to get through this thread, but reading all these HB posts feels like slogging through 3 feet of mud. tldr

but im sure there were many cries cried

[heartbrand]

If you think that's long I don't suggest any level of graduate school

[p-niner]

Bump

[Faerie]

If you think that's long I don't suggest any level of graduate school

Could have said "junior high school", and it would have been just as true. The difference between academic reading and your forum posts is...

I don't know how to finish the sentence, and I don't think I really have to, either :P

[heartbrand]

I used pretty sound logic, I'm sorry you were unable to grasp it. I do teach the LSAT though, and I can offer you a competitive rate as a red99 player.

[Faerie]

I'm a philosophy major; why would I study something practical like law? :rolleyes:

[Stinkum]

I used pretty sound logic, I'm sorry you were unable to grasp it.

The rationale here by people is just comical. Are you ok when the government says online poker and sports betting is illegal? Do you just go o yaw that's classic np np good decision? are you cool with blue laws in your states that forbid you from buying alcohol on sundays? Sodomy laws? You think the current patent law system is ok?

http://i.imgur.com/1YhYxwk.png

[heartbrand]

Stinkum great example of someone who can't grasp pretty simple logic. People in this thread used the argument that because a person of authority has endorsed a certain rule that therefore the rule is correct and should not be questioned. I extrapolated this logic to day to day life to show that such an approach is ludicrous. If you would question nonsensical rules in your day to day life, why wouldn't you here as well? [the answer is because the rule here "punishes" someone they don't like, and they are hiding behind faulty logic]

[Stinkum]

http://i.imgur.com/U29j1lW.png

[heartbrand]

/yawn pretty bad troll, keep on avoiding the issue pal

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

step away from the keyboard hb

[p-niner]

http://i.imgur.com/U29j1lW.png

Hahaahaahahah

[GoodGuyAmes]

I'm a philosophy major; why would I study something practical like law? :rolleyes:

Is your philosophy to throw away money on a useless degree?


: )

[Faerie]

At the rate I'm going I think I'll graduate with 2 useless degrees, in a couple years lol. English literature and philosophy; go me!

[Bazia]

good use of money imo

not rly hope u at least have rich family and not getting in absurd debt

[gloinz]

At the rate I'm going I think I'll graduate with 2 useless degrees, in a couple years lol. English literature and philosophy; go me!

y not just switch if its a few years away heh

[GrobbGangsta]

I used pretty sound logic, I'm sorry you were unable to grasp it. I do teach the LSAT though, and I can offer you a competitive rate as a red99 player.

Teaches the LSAT but went to shitty law school. Again, your sound logic just doesn't add up...

Butthurt about reject UMD law degree, lies about LSAT tutoring

Kill self IMO

[heartbrand]

Maryland's a tier 1 school, I work for PowerScore part time because I enjoy teaching it's not a secret you could prolly even google my bio on the site, I own a tax debt resolution company and my wife works for my in-laws who own a catering business. My life ain't some big secret.

[Faerie]

y not just switch if its a few years away heh

Why would I want to switch? And it's only so far away because I tend to take unrelated classes and some semesters just take a class or two.

Anyone done any of these:
http://www.extension.harvard.edu/open-learning-initiative

or similar? It seems interesting, but I'm not a fan of online courses.

[SamwiseRed]

philosophy majors tend to be the best lays.

[Graahle]

philosophy majors tend to be the best lays.

Well us Construction Science majors PROVIDE the best lays..you could say we know how to "lay some pipe." hueeheheheeeheeehee.

[Faerie]

philosophy majors tend to be the best lays.

This is true.

[gloinz]

Why would I want to switch?

for money............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .

[Faerie]

Lol, that's silly.

[p-niner]

Maryland's a tier 1 school, I work for PowerScore part time because I enjoy teaching it's not a secret you could prolly even google my bio on the site, I own a tax debt resolution company and my wife works for my in-laws who own a catering business. My life ain't some big secret.

from phone service @ poker company to owning business and rich in laws

[GrobbGangsta]

Maryland's a tier 1 school, I work for PowerScore part time because I enjoy teaching it's not a secret you could prolly even google my bio on the site, I own a tax debt resolution company and my wife works for my in-laws who own a catering business. My life ain't some big secret.

Maryland is #41, making it BARELY Tier 1. The conventional wisdom is that going to a school outside top 25 is a bad investment, because all of the schools outside the top 25 are shit and do not provide good employment opportunities in the post-housing crisis/Obama world.

You work for PowerScore because you went to Maryland, meaning you have to supplement your income doing LSAT tutoring because you could not get a real job from your shitty law degree.

Someone as arrogant as you would not have gone to a shit school like Maryland if you had done well on the LSAT. So, stop "presiding" over the forums like you are some big badass, throwing around $10 words and trying to maintain the facade that you are some rainmaking lawyer.

TL;DR Successful attorneys with real law degrees do not teach PowerScore and spend 80% of waking hours on EQ forums or in game. You are a fucking loser. Get over yourself.

[heartbrand]

Not that my personal life is particularly interesting but I went to maryland because my wife's family owns a catering business, of which she is a part of and being groomed to take over eventually. I had a job already lined up before law school and it made no sense to go to NYU (a school I was accepted to) and forgo hundreds of thousands of dollars of income just so I have a fancier piece of paper on my wall. Perhaps on an Internet forum it makes for fodder or what not, and that's fine, but I can't reiterate enough I find trolls about my financial status absolutely hilarious because I've been incredibly blessed to be born into the family I was, and marry into the family I did, where money doesn't matter and I can pursue whatever business opportunities I want.

I teach on the side because teaching is my passion in life. Some of us do things we enjoy where money is not a factor, that is one of them for me. I enjoy the logic of the LSAT, I nerd out over it and I find it incredibly rewarding to watch the brains of the students I tutor click when they finally get "it".

I hope my personal life story was interesting, it sounds like you have a lot of anger and resentment, I hope you find some inner peace in your life, and I wish you the very best.

[big league chew]

didnt read any of that but LETS GO WHALERS
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_e8K5j1xoTmQ/TORGKJdP8dI/AAAAAAAADk0/CGlHh-b5fkU/s1600/GDP19HartfordWhalersOttawaSenatorsCarolinaHurrican esSensTownBlog.jpg

p.s. shoulda went to tunxis like me bro shits classic

[hagard]

Not that my personal life is particularly interesting but I went to maryland because my wife's family owns a catering business, of which she is a part of and being groomed to take over eventually. I had a job already lined up before law school and it made no sense to go to NYU (a school I was accepted to) and forgo hundreds of thousands of dollars of income just so I have a fancier piece of paper on my wall. Perhaps on an Internet forum it makes for fodder or what not, and that's fine, but I can't reiterate enough I find trolls about my financial status absolutely hilarious because I've been incredibly blessed to be born into the family I was, and marry into the family I did, where money doesn't matter and I can pursue whatever business opportunities I want.

I teach on the side because teaching is my passion in life. Some of us do things we enjoy where money is not a factor, that is one of them for me. I enjoy the logic of the LSAT, I nerd out over it and I find it incredibly rewarding to watch the brains of the students I tutor click when they finally get "it".

I hope my personal life story was interesting, it sounds like you have a lot of anger and resentment, I hope you find some inner peace in your life, and I wish you the very best.

ya'll need to be nicer to big hb

[p-niner]

for money............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .

Sound logic from guy that switches to nilly for pixels right faerie?

[SamwiseRed]

Maryland is #41, making it BARELY Tier 1. The conventional wisdom is that going to a school outside top 25 is a bad investment, because all of the schools outside the top 25 are shit and do not provide good employment opportunities in the post-housing crisis/Obama world.

You work for PowerScore because you went to Maryland, meaning you have to supplement your income doing LSAT tutoring because you could not get a real job from your shitty law degree.

Someone as arrogant as you would not have gone to a shit school like Maryland if you had done well on the LSAT. So, stop "presiding" over the forums like you are some big badass, throwing around $10 words and trying to maintain the facade that you are some rainmaking lawyer.

TL;DR Successful attorneys with real law degrees do not teach PowerScore and spend 80% of waking hours on EQ forums or in game. You are a fucking loser. Get over yourself.

sheez calm down bro, attacking hb is a fav past time but keep it within the boundaries of norrath dawg.

[p-niner]

I enjoy the logic of the LSAT

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

hahahahahahahahaah

[GrobbGangsta]

sheez calm down bro, attacking hb is a fav past time but keep it within the boundaries of norrath dawg.

If you are a scrawny faggot that can't get any pussy and suck at life, and you are walking around and get attacked unprovoked, that is called bullying.

If you are a scrawny faggot that can't get any pussy and you walk around talking about how big your dick is and how much you get laid, and you get called out, thats what I like to call a Necessary Reality Check ("NRC").

See the difference?

[SamwiseRed]

so you telling it like it is. hmm actually have nothing to respond back with. good day.

[heartbrand]

Telling it like it is presupposes that he knows what is, is, when in fact he has no clue. He's an anon troll just throwing punches at pillows and calling them knock outs.

[Tomato King6]

If you are a scrawny faggot that can't get any pussy and suck at life, and you are walking around and get attacked unprovoked, that is called bullying.

If you are a scrawny faggot that can't get any pussy and you walk around talking about how big your dick is and how much you get laid, and you get called out, thats what I like to call a Necessary Reality Check ("NRC").

See the difference?

this guy is mad , and stop ripping on HB he is a successful business man making 2 mil a year.

tell us about your black American express hb

[p-niner]

Nihilum, with the mental powers of HB logic, Elderan math skills and accomplishments, IQ and general speaking skills of Lamort, fashion sense of Gloinz and the Athletic abilties of Twainz Tune Supreme nd Nizzar.

Combine those talents with the infinite flow kf capital from millionaire entrepreneurs HB and Mendan, we should be expecting a global take over that only the Justice League can hope to stop

[GrobbGangsta]

Telling it like it is presupposes that he knows what is, is, when in fact he has no clue. He's an anon troll just throwing punches at pillows and calling them knock outs.

"Presupposes" is the kind of word a loser Maryland law grad uses so that other people will think he is smart.

There is a difference between smart and well educated (anyone can be well educated). Sorry you couldn't get into a good law school bro

[heartbrand]

So what's your story bro? Who are you in game, where do you live what do you do for a living how much do you make etc.? Thanks for ignoring my points, confirming your ignorance and remaining an ineffectual troll.

[SamwiseRed]

can we get back to talkin about philosophy majors being good lays?

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

Nihilum, with the mental powers of HB logic, Elderan math skills and accomplishments, IQ and general speaking skills of Lamort, fashion sense of Gloinz and the Athletic abilties of Twainz Tune Supreme nd Nizzar.

Combine those talents with the infinite flow kf capital from millionaire entrepreneurs HB and Mendan, we should be expecting a global take over that only the Justice League can hope to stop

o god lol

[SamwiseRed]

was lookin for some good examples of hot phil majors but so far only memes lol

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSKpbhogfupSewuT_a4X7rlXIN2iMDec AF5v49s-rwHmew2QYh1Jw

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

So what's your story bro? Who are you in game, where do you live what do you do for a living how much do you make etc.? Thanks for ignoring my points, confirming your ignorance and remaining an ineffectual troll.

wow hb i hope you never try to pull the "you're way too invested" card again

[heartbrand]

If you come swinging at my RL I'm going to respond with the facts

[SamwiseRed]

not sure facts is the proper response to a falcon punch unless you have some kind of acoustic powers.

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

If you come swinging at my RL I'm going to respond with the facts

someone who isn't way too invested would not care whatsoever to post essay after essay

[heartbrand]

Aren't u the guy who wrote a four pager analyzing the botb fight log vs Gongshow to try to establish it wasn't the Iksar regen that won it for you? Why didn't you just ignore him?

[Frieza_Prexus]

Maryland is #41, making it BARELY Tier 1. The conventional wisdom is that going to a school outside top 25 is a bad investment, because all of the schools outside the top 25 are shit and do not provide good employment opportunities in the post-housing crisis/Obama world.

Not to take Heartbrand's side cause he can be kind of irritating, but...

Maryland is actually a decent university, but suffers from regional immobility. It's on the Eastern seaboard which pits it against the Ivy, but MD doesn't quite qualify as a shit degree. Going to a top 60ish school can be good under some common circumstances such as going to a lower ranked but regionally dominant school (Arizona, Houston, SMU, New Mexico, etc.) or if you have a specific purpose for the degree in mind.

Also, I know NYU and Yale law grads who are instructors. Powerscore can be decent pay for a small time investment if you enjoy it as a side matter.

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

p sure gongshow made 4 or 5 posts, one within 3 minutes of losing, of equal length explaining why he lost and should have won

gotta put those retards trying to trivialize my grand accomplishment as best monk on the server in their place, took me prob 5 minutes to make that post

you, however, have 60-70 posts of that length in this thread alone

[heartbrand]

Why did you bother responding to me just now?













C wut I did dere?

[heartbrand]

Not to take Heartbrand's side cause he can be kind of irritating, but...

Maryland is actually a decent university, but suffers from regional immobility. It's on the Eastern seaboard which pits it against the Ivy, but MD doesn't quite qualify as a shit degree. Going to a top 60ish school can be good under some common circumstances such as going to a lower ranked but regionally dominant school (Arizona, Houston, SMU, New Mexico, etc.) or if you have a specific purpose for the degree in mind.

Also, I know NYU and Yale law grads who are instructors. Powerscore can be decent pay for a small time investment if you enjoy it as a side matter.

You work for powerscore at one point or have friends who did?

[Frieza_Prexus]

You work for powerscore at one point or have friends who did?

Not me, no. I just have a friend who did, and I met the others in passing.

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

Why did you bother responding to me just now?













C wut I did dere?

trying to get through to you dawg

i know at some point in your life you were a normal human being, trying to save a life nawmean

[Pudge]

I'm a philosophy major; why would I study something practical like law? :rolleyes:

Lol. Don't. One of my majors was philosophy. Then I got out and didn't really want to be a professor, which is about the only thing you can do with it. So I went to law school. Got out, also don't want to be a lawyer because besides sucking, there's even real competition over the shit jobs. Maybe I'm just too lazy at heart. Tried to devote my life to Questing, but even now I seem to be logging in less... I've degenerated into forumquesting, only 1 step away from full on retirement.

[big league chew]

a degree is a degree, pretty sure no employer cares what ur major was

at this point in america anyway

[p-niner]

I work in software with an international management degree and felony background

Confirmed employers dont give a shit

[Stinkum]

getting a bachelor's in philosophy is about 100 times smarter than going to law school unless:

1) you are going to a top 14 school
2) you are getting a full ride or someone else is paying 100% for it
3) you have any very strong personal/family connection to a firm

if any of those above are true for you then get a JD

if none of those apply to you then it is the worst life decision you could possibly make as anyone who has spend 2 seconds researching the career prospects for graduating JDs knows

[heartbrand]

luckily 2 and 3 applied to me GG

[heartbrand]

btw you severely underestimate the value of a degree from a regional school if you plan to work in your area

[Frieza_Prexus]

getting a bachelor's in philosophy is about 100 times smarter than going to law school unless:

1) you are going to a top 14 school
2) you are getting a full ride or someone else is paying 100% for it
3) you have any very strong personal/family connection to a firm

if any of those above are true for you then get a JD

if none of those apply to you then it is the worst life decision you could possibly make as anyone who has spend 2 seconds researching the career prospects for graduating JDs knows

"T14 or bust" isn't entirely true. Once you get into tier 2, then yeah, you're looking at bad times under normal circumstances. If you want Biglaw then yeah, T14 +U of Texas (If you live in the South) is the only intelligent decision, but for those with a specific plan in mind before law school a top 60 CAN be an intelligent decision.

Of course if you're just going to "be a lawyer" without a more specific plan then yeah, T14 or serious scholarship to a top 50 or bust.

[Faerie]

Why is everything a pissing contest with you people? Lol it's so funny, and also kind of not <33

[Agatha]

http://i.imgur.com/JxDjCR1.jpg

[GoodGuyAmes]

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/legal/lawyers.htm

Job Outlook
Employment of lawyers is expected to grow by 10 percent from 2010 to 2020, about as fast as the average for all occupations. Competition for jobs should continue to be strong because more students are graduating from law school each year than there are jobs available.

There was always fierce competition between lawyers for jobs but the field is expected to grow just as steadily as most other jobs in America. People also fail to realize that when you graduate with a J.D you have more options then just practicing law. You can become a legal professor, Legal Consultant, Public Administration, Public Servant (look at how many politicians are lawyers) etc.

[Something'Witty]

btw you severely underestimate the value of a degree from a regional school if you plan to work in your area

Correct, but if you move out of the area where the regional school is well known, it can be an issue.

For example, my wife went to a small liberal arts college that was extremely well respected in the area, and I went to a mediocre state university. When we went to apply for grad school, even though she had a better GPA, GRE scores, and went to a "better" school, she had problems getting accepted where I did not. Now some of that can be attributed to the demand for grad students in our respective fields, but during her interviews, no one knew anything about the school where she earned her BS.

Oh and philosophy = a great minor; how to structure an argument was one of the most useful classes I have ever taken. It would probably be extremely useful in ForumQuest, if ForumQuest actually involved logic...

[Frieza_Prexus]

You can become a legal professor, Legal Consultant, Public Administration, Public Servant (look at how many politicians are lawyers) etc.

Professors generally come from the top schools, and if you want tenure it's almost a requirement. Thus, Top ~25 applies there. Public service often doesn't justify the investment in time and $ required unless scholarships are involved, and most serious politicians also went to top schools. You'll find a few politicians in the top 60 schools, but most come out of the Top 25, and there's a strong plurality that comes from the top 14.

You can do a lot of other things, and it can be smart to get a JD from a non top school, but you MUST know what you're doing. Going in blindly is never a good idea.

[Faerie]

Oh and philosophy = a great minor; how to structure an argument was one of the most useful classes I have ever taken. It would probably be extremely useful in ForumQuest, if ForumQuest actually involved logic...

It's funny sometimes how much a struggle it is to turn hard philosophy into light and airy nonsense, which is what attracted me to the subject in the first place.

Of course logic isn't going to be this way, but even in ethical theory courses they try to turn it into mathematics.

[Something'Witty]

Of course logic isn't going to be this way, but even in ethical theory courses they try to turn it into mathematics.

Ya, because quantitative > qualitative right?

Oh and post modernism = total BS!




P.S. The above statements do not reflect the views of the author, but are merely an attempt to troll philosophy / social science majors!

[Pudge]

I detest "Light and airy" philosophy. This is what gives the major a bad name. I went to a school with an awesome phil program and thought this must be the standard of actual college philosophy. Then my brother at another school described a "philosophy" course he took where the teacher literally sometimes put on a video/movie. I was appalled.

[GoodGuyAmes]

Professors generally come from the top schools, and if you want tenure it's almost a requirement. Thus, Top ~25 applies there. Public service often doesn't justify the investment in time and $ required unless scholarships are involved, and most serious politicians also went to top schools. You'll find a few politicians in the top 60 schools, but most come out of the Top 25, and there's a strong plurality that comes from the top 14.

You can do a lot of other things, and it can be smart to get a JD from a non top school, but you MUST know what you're doing. Going in blindly is never a good idea.

Professors who teach at top schools are from top schools. 70% of the lawyers who practice don't go to a top ten school. My uncle is a patent lawyer and he went to Albany Law School (state college) and makes more money then you or I could even fathom. Not everyone goes to Yale Or Harvard my friend and if you pass the BAR exam in New York state, California or Texas then you are an intelligent person no matter which school you went to. My civil procedures professor went to CUNY College then CUNY School of Law and was able to retire when she was 50 years old. She was a managing partner at a law firm and teaches part time just to keep her mind busy but owns a house in the hamptons and a really nice pad in the upper east or west side (cant remember).

Yea sure its nice to have that Harvard School Of Law on your resume but just because the person had the money to go to that school does not make them a more competent lawyer then the guy who went to a state school. In some places in the midwest they even prefer a local kid then someone who went off to a hoity toity university. If you are a hard worker and have a go getter attitude then you will do absolutely fine in your field.

[HippoNipple]

Stinkum great example of someone who can't grasp pretty simple logic. People in this thread used the argument that because a person of authority has endorsed a certain rule that therefore the rule is correct and should not be questioned. I extrapolated this logic to day to day life to show that such an approach is ludicrous. If you would question nonsensical rules in your day to day life, why wouldn't you here as well? [the answer is because the rule here "punishes" someone they don't like, and they are hiding behind faulty logic]

You also keep using the logic that you have freedom of speech and can voice your opinion. Where you sit and play this game from is irrelevant to this discussion. Also, your day to day life, or the history of the country you live in along with its judicial system is also very much so irrelevant.

Sirken never said he reviewed the rules of this server and was making a change that he thought would make the server more fair. He simply stated that he became aware that people were still exploiting something that was supposedly fixed on this server by others in charge.

Your are fighting about the term exploit or relating this to other zones that need changes. You are requesting changes to be made in a thread meant to enforce changes that were already made. This isn't the place and bringing up nonsense like this derails the intent of Sirken's original post.

The only question that should be brought up with this ruling is how players will be treated that haven't logged in since this post and July 1. I can get behind that because it is relevant to the ruling, but your 40 pages of bullshit shows you are a little too immersed and going a little crazy.

[gloinz]

but your 40 pages of bullshit shows you are a little too immersed and going a little crazy.


http://underwaterraven.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/trust-me_-i_m-a-doctor.jpg

[GoodGuyAmes]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York's_congressional_districts#First_district

1st district - Tim Bishop College of the Holy Cross, Long Island University
4th district - Carloyn Mcarthy Glen Cove Nursing School
5th District - Gregorgy Meeks Adelphi University, Howard University
6th District - Grace Meng University of Michigan
Cardozo School of Law
11th district - Micheal Grimm Baruch College (B.B.A.)
New York Law School (J.D.

I could go on and on.

About 70% of New York States Politicians are from state schools or little known universitys. Sure you have a sprinkling of ivy league in there but the majority of them are normal blue-blooded schools. If you look at a state like Ohio or Florida then 90% of the politicians are from local schools. Have a look for yourself http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York's_congressional_districts#First_district

[Stinkum]

Job Outlook
Employment of lawyers is expected to grow by 10 percent from 2010 to 2020, about as fast as the average for all occupations. Competition for jobs should continue to be strong because more students are graduating from law school each year than there are jobs available.

There was always fierce competition between lawyers for jobs but the field is expected to grow just as steadily as most other jobs in America. People also fail to realize that when you graduate with a J.D you have more options then just practicing law. You can become a legal professor, Legal Consultant, Public Administration, Public Servant (look at how many politicians are lawyers) etc.


you live in the state with the #1 worst amount of surplus lawyers in the country by far

"The Lawyer Surplus, State by State" (http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/27/the-lawyer-surplus-state-by-state/?_r=0)

New York:

Estimated Annual Openings for Lawyer Jobs for 2010-15: 2,100
2009 Bar Exam Passers: 9,787
2009 Completers (IPEDS): 4,771
Annual Number of Surplus Lawyers: 7,687

too bad they don't teach you basic arithmetic, there are literally 0 jobs for the 100,000s of ames' of the world who will graduate in this decade

i wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors in unemployment

[big league chew]

go to school to learn

apply for jobs to get employed




if you try to do it any other way you're just gonna stress urself out

imho

[big league chew]

o, and change ur fucking binds

[Faerie]

Ya, because quantitative > qualitative right?

Oh and post modernism = total BS!




P.S. The above statements do not reflect the views of the author, but are merely an attempt to troll philosophy / social science majors!

We should strive for balance in all things :cool:

I detest "Light and airy" philosophy. This is what gives the major a bad name. I went to a school with an awesome phil program and thought this must be the standard of actual college philosophy. Then my brother at another school described a "philosophy" course he took where the teacher literally sometimes put on a video/movie. I was appalled.

Media like that should always be suggested as supplemental material, I agree. And why would it matter if the major was given a bad name? The old white men had their chance, and all they did was make the subject matter as dull as humanly possibly while still maintaining a a consistent level of intellectual masturbation. If all we're going to do is masturbate and debate smugly, why can't we travel into the realm of light-hearted nonsense?

And don't tell me that we need to keep some things in the objective realm to even express ideas with any meaning, because I'm perfectly happy not talking to any of you and exploring the nature of value all by myself :mad:

[heartbrand]

Hawkins already made philosophy obsolete sry

[Frieza_Prexus]

Professors who teach at top schools are from top schools. 70% of the lawyers who practice don't go to a top ten school. My uncle is a patent lawyer and he went to Albany Law School (state college) and makes more money then you or I could even fathom. Not everyone goes to Yale Or Harvard my friend and if you pass the BAR exam in New York state, California or Texas then you are an intelligent person no matter which school you went to. My civil procedures professor went to CUNY College then CUNY School of Law and was able to retire when she was 50 years old. She was a managing partner at a law firm and teaches part time just to keep her mind busy but owns a house in the hamptons and a really nice pad in the upper east or west side (cant remember).

Yea sure its nice to have that Harvard School Of Law on your resume but just because the person had the money to go to that school does not make them a more competent lawyer then the guy who went to a state school. In some places in the midwest they even prefer a local kid then someone who went off to a hoity toity university. If you are a hard worker and have a go getter attitude then you will do absolutely fine in your field.

I don't disagree that anyone can succeed. That's quite clear in many cases. For example, the former Dean of Houston went to a 4th tier school, but he's widely considered to have been very successful. Many lower tier schools have success stories, and I've never denied that. In face, I quite agree with you that success can be found in any situation.

However, the question is about playing the numbers. It's about intelligent decision making in light of the probabilities. Unless you have a specific plan that you've carefully weighed, it, generally speaking, is a less-than-good idea to go to a lower ranked school.

It's like saying that a lot of billionaires are dropouts. This is true, but they succeeded in spite of that. At best, a lower tier school won't hurt, but a higher tier school CAN make a world of difference. Without a specific circumstance to tell you otherwise (like a very well thought out career plan), it doesn't make much financial sense to go to a poorly ranked school.

I agree that the individual will get out of something equivalent to what they put in. However, the question is about the wisdom of attending a lower ranked school as a general matter. From a decision theory standpoint, its not unless you have a mitigating factor (scholarship, regionally dominant school, etc.)

[GoodGuyAmes]

Those numbers are slightly inflated because they count total bar exams passed in New York State (your able to practice in 3-4 other states with your N.Y Bar License) so not everyone actually ends up working here. My degree is a dual pre-law/paralegal studies so that I will be able to get a job working at a corporate law firm that requires you have a bachelors degree (which most paraglegals don't). It's a great thing to fall back on because just a quick search of mean paralegal salary in NYC shows that its a great career to start in. My plan is to do law school at night while I'm working at my uncle's law firm as a paralegal. Again, the competition is fierce but not many jobs start you out at 100k+.

Jobs are competive in 2013 no matter what you plan on doing. Unless its physical labor then expect to have a bit of a hard time finding something right away. One just has to look at say I.T statistics and realize its pretty much nation wide.

Job Outlook
Employment of computer programmers is expected to increase 12 percent from 2010 to 2020, about as fast as the average for all occupations. Since computer programming can be done from anywhere in the world, companies often hire programmers in countries that have lower wages.


P.S I'm genuinely curious as to what your profession is Stinkum?

[Frieza_Prexus]

i wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors in unemployment

I didn't know Elie Mystal (http://abovethelaw.com/2013/06/law-school-illustrates-everything-wrong-with-law-schools-and-u-s-news-rankings-in-one-email/) played P99

:p

Those numbers are slightly inflated because they count total bar exams passed in New York State

Those numbers aren't quite as scary if you're not pursuing Biglaw in NY which is a total meat grinder and you already have connections. In my opinion, California is the bigger problem because of how many unaccredited law schools they have there. Those graduates can ONLY take the California bar and they can ONLY practice in that state. They're putting out 2X as many graduates in California as there are projected openings and roughly 1/2 of those graduates are from unaccredited schools. Yeah, it's gonna be a student loan fueled hilarity bomb of sadness and angry baristas.

[heartbrand]

Newsflash, getting a job in Law is much like getting a job in ANY field nowadays, the people who know people will always fare better than the people who don't. /thread