I do have drug problems

[r00t]

It's stupid

but yea I been goin off the deepend on opiates and benzos the past 2 months.

I get sick if I dont have some type of fuckedupness in my system. Weed cuts it but I am surrounded by *****s I shouldna hung with and goes off the deepend

how do you people survive sober. I've been perpetually fucked up from 13 on

[r00t]

what I mean is how i rewire my brain to accept truth and love??????

[Kagatob]

You can't. You're already broken, the day you die is a day that humanity and the world in general gets a bit better.

Your condition is simply the result of a combination of symptoms caused by your own weakness of character.

[gotrocks]

without revealing too much, im gonna say i feel for you man.

it takes a lot of time, a lot of work and a lot of pain, but you have to do it. thats no way to live, brotha, trust me.

Going to tell you what every counselor/'expert'/doctor you talk to is gonna tell you: You have to relocate, get away from those people who are bringing you down, and never talk to them again. You will not succeed if you dont do this, period.

Look into detox/outpatient/inpatient services in your area. If you're where I was, theres no other way to stop, you can't do it on your own.

If you want to talk more hit me up, but honestly you are going to have to do a lot of shit you dont want to do to get out of this. You posting here makes me think you want out badly enough to do that, but idk you or your situation, so maybe not.

good luck, dont stop, and keep your head up

[Daldolma]

what I mean is how i rewire my brain to accept truth and love??????

you know answer to this

take heart and keep faith, spend a night with bible and u will find your peace

[gotrocks]

brain wont rewire till you get off the shit.

your neurotransmitters and receptors are TOTALLY out of balance. Those neurons they are spitting around are literally the reason why you think and feel, and yours are completely fucked up. They won't go back to normal and let you have some peace until youve been clean for 6 months - 1 year or more, but while they recover you will start to feel more and more normal as times goes on.

First week is a living, breathing, fucking nightmare. you'll actually experience wanting to die to end pain. its not a good place to be. 2nd week is hell, third week is just a regular nightmare, and from then on it starts getting better fast.

lots of <3 comin your way if you figure it out and stay away.

[r00t]

my vice was alcohol and i went to lesser drugs to get over it. then i realized shit was bad

need safer than weed give it assholes

[Flamewraith]

you know answer to this

take heart and keep faith, spend a night with bible and u will find your peace

HAHAHAHAHAHA terrible fucking advice. Seriously though the only thing a bible cures is my need for firewood.

[Hasbinbad]

what I mean is how i rewire my brain to accept truth and love??????
i recommend talking shit to cops

[r00t]

use trollin hbb

[Visual]

purge that shit out of your system. take up some hobbies. become the best at your craft. pursue love. watch videos of naez threatening to kill prince

[quido]

get a fucking grip

[Barkingturtle]

Take all the pills because whatever doesn't kill you makes you God.


Seriously though, I know your feels. I've been an everyday smoker since I was thirteen, so 20 years, and between then-and-now have abused the whole curriculum of drugs. I went through court-ordered in-patient rehabs and mandatory testing, daily breathalizers, copious therapy sessions with outright quacks, saw friends die and never quit. Finally, I moved a thousand miles from where I grew up and there went my connections. Of course, I moved to Oregon so pot was still a cinch to come by and I kept drinking like an absolute fucking maniac - I worked from home and would frequently drink in excess of 50 beers in a day. I'd wake up and find I'd smashed all my furniture or windows or computers.

In the end, I only changed because I met my wife. Oh shit, I'm sorry - I thought I had some advice for you. Uh, become lovable, I guess. Haha, good luck with that you utterly repulsive piece of human wreckage!

[Ryba]

Brace for a really fucked up phase of your life that will either kill you or become a badge of pride when you get through it.

You will feel like scum as long as you are some pill's bitch.

If this was a troll post and you are already high again, try dying.

[Cecily]

Brace for a really fucked up phase of your life that will either kill you or become a badge of pride when you get through it.

That's more or less exactly what I'm doing atm.

[radditsu]

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll269/hellojackgoodbyeson/gif/BooHoo.gif

[Doors]

HAHAHAHAHAHA terrible fucking advice. Seriously though the only thing a bible cures is my need for firewood.

AA and rehab groups rely on religion a fair amount and there are success stories constantly regarding that.

[Hailto]

HAHAHAHAHAHA terrible fucking advice. Seriously though the only thing a bible cures is my need for firewood.

I like you.

[Autotune]

Weak minded people want other people to tell them how to solve their self created problems.

Killing yourself is the easiest way or you could just pick up your sack and do what needs to be done.

[stonez138]

what I mean is how i rewire my brain to accept truth and love??????

Kill yourself!

[Hasbinbad]

AA and rehab groups rely on religion a fair amount and there are success stories constantly regarding that.
12 step groups are just addiction replacements.

[Lyra]

are just

Are JUST?

You say that like the meetings are as bad as the substance they are replacing.

[Hasbinbad]

They absolutely can be.

Don't get me wrong, the negative effects suffered from continued use of 12 step programs are generally not as bad as the negative effects suffered from continued use of alcohol or methamphetamines, but they absolutely can be.

[Hailto]

That is a pretty ignorant statement HBB, you obviously have not been around many alcoholics to see how destructive it is.

[Lyra]

That is a pretty ignorant statement HBB, you obviously have not been around many alcoholics to see how destructive it is.

[Cecily]

It's a cult, albeit an effective cult.

[Hailto]

So is TMO.

[Cecily]

So is TMO.

http://i.imgur.com/lzLPsNI.gif

[Hasbinbad]

That is a pretty ignorant statement HBB, you obviously have not been around many alcoholics to see how destructive it is.
You're right.

My dad wasn't an abusive blackout drunk. His dad wasn't a blackout drunk. Both of my grandmothers weren't blackout drunks. My 2 aunts weren't alcoholics. My uncle wasn't so full of ludes that they stomach pumped him monthly. My brother wasn't a speedfreak, and neither was his wife, and my ex wasn't so involved with AA that it destroyed her life.

[Hailto]

I'd like to know how AA destroyed someones life.

[Hasbinbad]

Just like any addiction can destroy someones life.

[Hasbinbad]

An accumulation of negative consequences brought about by persistence in a behavior regardless of said negative consequences.

[Hailto]

Yeah, but what are the negative consequences of AA besides defeating your alcoholism?

[Hasbinbad]

But besides that, according to AA dogma (which is admittedly not the only 12 step, tho the VAST majority of 12 step programs are either AA or NA, and the majority of the rest directly model their programs after AA with only slight variation), once you're an alcoholic, there is never a point at which you can start becoming responsible for your own life again. One must continually offer their agency to "their higher power," or they are in relapse and will suffer the judgement of their sponsor and peers.

[Hailto]

I think the point is that you gain responsibility for your own life by putting aside a substance that had you by the balls. AA maintains that once you are an alcoholic you can never drink alcohol again, but that doesn't mean you aren't responsible for your own life, i would consider that to be the contrary.

[Hasbinbad]

Yeah, but what are the negative consequences of AA besides defeating your alcoholism?
That depends on the person, as is true with any addiction. But anecdotally, I have seen 12 step programs engender in people beliefs about reality that have no basis. I've seen people turn away from people that really care about them because they say something that doesn't jive with the freaky doctrine. I've seen people give up everything in life that matters to them in order to conform more with the 12 step lifestyle. I've seen sponsors preying on vulnerable people with no system of checks. The meetings themselves are hotbeds of relapse. Lastly, there is no end to this. I've seen people still down on themselves after being sober for 20+ years. In short, every person I've ever seen go through AA has ended up a burnt out husk of the person they once were.

Just like drugs.

[Hasbinbad]

that doesn't mean you aren't responsible for your own life, i would consider that to be the contrary.
You do not understand AA then. One of the fundamental features is that you forever give up your agency to a higher power.

[Hasbinbad]

^is a often swept under the rug fact when talking outside of meetings, but having sat through many, it is definitely part of the main focus inside the meeting.

[Hasbinbad]

All of this being said, I absolutely recognize that AA gets a lot of people to stop drinking..

[Hasbinbad]

I just wish they said "ok, you're done now. go live." at SOME point.

[Stinkum]

You're a fucking idiot.

[Ryba]

As long as you believe forces beyond your control can destroy your life, anything can destroy your life. The first addiction is the emotional security of victimhood. The second addiction is the symptom.

Go read a book or work out. Game of Thrones does not count because it is really shitty fantasy targeted at rednecks and old perverts who don't notice when a character has only a single dimension as long as there is incest or unmotivated cruelty to get excited about. Game of Thrones sucks and I hope that pisses someone off.

Anyone else wonder what percentage of p99 are current or recovering addicts? Do MMOs attract addictive personalities or do they create their own kind of addictive behavior? Is your EQ avatar a way for you to escape into a fantasy where you are capable and heroic? If it is an escape, is it an opiate, impeding real change, or a stimulant, enabling a healthy perspective shift? Is that an awkward analogy in a thread on drugs on the shittiest sub-forum of an almost illegal emulation of ElfSim '99? How the fuck did you get here? How bad is Game of Thrones?

[susvain0362]

HAHAHAHAHAHA terrible fucking advice. Seriously though the only thing a bible cures is my need for firewood.

You ever notice the only people who ever seem to get clean are people who find god in their lives?? I don't believe in any religion mans created but it seems that the only people who really get clean and STAY that way are people who find god/become religious.

[Barkingturtle]

Pretty sure OP has already OD'd so this is a m00t thread, imo.

[Ahldagor]

hbb is totally right about AA. seen it with my dad who is now going less, but knows that it's up to him to not do anything. or as south park said, "you must learn the discerpwin"

if you are an addict then get the fuck over your self and grow up. that's really all it is. you deal with the shit that's happened to you instead of thinking some magical chemical will fix it. and yes this is all meaningless and absurd, which is why you gotta laugh

[Cecily]

I think it's ironic that the more hardcore atheist out of the two us, Halito and I, is the one who's a huge fan of AA. It took one visit to my friend's NA meeting to see that place was chock-full of crazy, in addition to the religious crazy.

[Ahldagor]

I think it's ironic that the more hardcore atheist out of the two us, Halito and I, is the one who's a huge fan of AA. It took one visit to my friend's NA meeting to see that place was chock-full of crazy, in addition to the religious crazy.

aye

[Barkingturtle]

A great number of people find healing in the church and/or AA and to begrudge them that healing is indicative only of your own bias and not some perceived destitution of character or intellect in the addicted deist. Each person has their own path to happiness and wholeness and is entitled to experience and cope with life -- as either an addict, an atheist, a deist, etc etc -- as they the individual are best able.

[Cecily]

I totally agree, that's why I'm way more moderate atheist than a lot of the people here. If faith in god has some real benefit to your life, I'm happy you found something that works. However, it turns me the fuck off from those programs. Thank god I'm boring and only addicted to EQ and cigarettes.

[Lyra]

cigarettes.

Should quit. It will kill you. If it doesn't kill you, you'll wish it had.

[Barkingturtle]

I totally agree, that's why I'm way more moderate atheist than a lot of the people here. If faith in god has some real benefit to your life, I'm happy you found something that works. However, it turns me the fuck off from those programs. Thank god I'm boring and only addicted to EQ and cigarettes.

I'm an atheist, too -- unless it turns out that maybe I am God -- I just don't judge what works for people and I don't demean religious people by questioning their sanity simply because they are religious. Whatever gets one through the night is really none of my business. You don't sound very moderate to me. You sound allergic to God, which can only lead me to assume you were maybe raped with a crucifix as a kid or maybe you were raised Jehova's Witness. Either way, I'm sorry and it wasn't your fault.

[Cecily]

Should quit. It will kill you. If it doesn't kill you, you'll wish it had.

I think EQ is doing more damage to my well-being tbh, but thank you for the concern. Every single smoker knows they should quit, and probably wants to. I'd like to. I suppose my excuse is I haven't accepted my powerless over my addiction or faith in a higher power yet.

[Cecily]

You don't sound very moderate to me. You sound allergic to God, which can only lead me to assume you were maybe raped with a crucifix as a kid or maybe you were raised Jehova's Witness. Either way, I'm sorry and it wasn't your fault.
I guess the distinction I make is whether or not someone is overtly hostile to other people's beliefs and feels an overwhelming desire to prove them wrong and/or call them idiots. I think those atheists who do are wrong and idiots.

[Lyra]

I'm an atheist, too -- unless it turns out that maybe I am God -- I just don't judge what works for people and I don't demean religious people by questioning their sanity simply because they are religious. Whatever gets one through the night is really none of my business. You don't sound very moderate to me. You sound allergic to God, which can only lead me to assume you were maybe raped with a crucifix as a kid or maybe you were raised Jehova's Witness. Either way, I'm sorry and it wasn't your fault.

The problem with being a passive atheist (which I am) is that while we're being all passive, the zealot Christians have organized and are in the process of implanting political representation in our government. While their success has faltered recently, I don't see them throwing in the towel anytime soon.

[mtb tripper]

Take peyote if you want to change, not even joking, if you seriously want to quit all your drug binges and shit, go get some peyote from your local Arizona shaman

[Cecily]

Out of respect for your concern for my health, I'm abandoning my new rogue alt Laira.

[Barkingturtle]

The problem with being a passive atheist (which I am) is that while we're being all passive, the zealot Christians have organized and are in the process of implanting political representation in our government. While their success has faltered recently, I don't see them throwing in the towel anytime soon.

That's an awful broad brush to paint with. I mean seriously, there are Christians of every political affiliation. That there are some who believe the country should operate differently than I is no surprise, either -- and they deserve to have their voices heard and their beliefs represented. While there may be an argument to made that having faith is symptomatic of a need to belong and thus the faithful are easily coerced into following whatever the herd accepts that's not the argument I see. I see: "I disagree with their beliefs and don't like that they are organizing in the exact same way I am allowed to organize".

[Barkingturtle]

While there may be an argument to (be) made that having faith is symptomatic of a need to belong and thus the faithful are easily coerced into following whatever the herd accepts (but) that's not the argument I see.

Fixed for omissions.

[mike90]

As long as you believe forces beyond your control can destroy your life, anything can destroy your life. The first addiction is the emotional security of victimhood. The second addiction is the symptom.

Go read a book or work out. Game of Thrones does not count because it is really shitty fantasy targeted at rednecks and old perverts who don't notice when a character has only a single dimension as long as there is incest or unmotivated cruelty to get excited about. Game of Thrones sucks and I hope that pisses someone off.

Anyone else wonder what percentage of p99 are current or recovering addicts? Do MMOs attract addictive personalities or do they create their own kind of addictive behavior? Is your EQ avatar a way for you to escape into a fantasy where you are capable and heroic? If it is an escape, is it an opiate, impeding real change, or a stimulant, enabling a healthy perspective shift? Is that an awkward analogy in a thread on drugs on the shittiest sub-forum of an almost illegal emulation of ElfSim '99? How the fuck did you get here? How bad is Game of Thrones?

You really hit the target on an often overlooked point here. Most of the people I've known IRL that play mmos are addicts of some type or have addictive personalities. I know back on live around 2001 the main hook for me and my friends and roomies was being able to escape our shitty real lives where we felt powerless and unimportant. I was addicted to EQ first before i started doing drugs because I liked feeling powerful, important, and respected. Feelings I wasn't getting from my real life. Drugs and etc started a bit later after that stopped working because I fully realized what I was doing

[Hailto]

I think it's ironic that the more hardcore atheist out of the two us, Halito and I, is the one who's a huge fan of AA. It took one visit to my friend's NA meeting to see that place was chock-full of crazy, in addition to the religious crazy.

Im not a "huge fan of AA" i simply think its absurd to say that going to AA meetings can be as harmful as alcoholism itself. It would have to be one horrible cult to compare to how destructive alcoholism is. Its also important to note that while im not religious myself, that does not mean that I think having a belief in a higher power can't be beneficial and helpful to some people, I just personally don't go in for it.

[Stinkum]

ITT: Faggots who think anyone cares about their anti-atheism/anti-religion opinions or that they're about to change anyone's fundamental beliefs with a two paragraph blurb on an Everquest emualtor forum.

Believe what you want to and shut the hell up about it.

[Lyra]

ITT: Faggots who think anyone cares about their anti-atheism/anti-religion opinions or that they're about to change anyone's fundamental beliefs with a two paragraph blurb on an Everquest emualtor forum.

Believe what you want to and shut the hell up about it.

Yes, go back to talking about stretched orifices.

[Barkingturtle]

Yes, go back to talking about stretched orifices.

You mean like stigmata?

[Hailto]

ITT: Faggots who think anyone cares about their anti-atheism/anti-religion opinions or that they're about to change anyone's fundamental beliefs with a two paragraph blurb on an Everquest emualtor forum.

Believe what you want to and shut the hell up about it.

You should be a lot less prone to being butthurt by said two paragraph blurbs on emulator forums considering you have the power of faith on your side.

[Daldolma]

i think it's obvious naez will be saved both spiritually and physically by jesus

just remain vigilant in your faith pal, salvation is comin

[pharmakos]

drugs don't kill people, people kill people

[Stinkum]

You should be a lot less prone to being butthurt by said two paragraph blurbs on emulator forums considering you have the power of faith on your side.

Atheist, agnostic and religious people are all equally smug and annoying.

If you're not socially retarded, then once you join the adult world you will all realize how cringeworthy you were when you were 14 and thought you had it all figured with your philosophy about how religion (either for or against it).

Believe what you want and keep it to yourself.

[Barkingturtle]

Atheist, agnostic and religious people are all equally smug and annoying.

If you're not socially retarded, then once you join the adult world you will all realize how cringeworthy you were when you were 14 and thought you had it all figured with your philosophy about how religion (either for or against it).

Believe what you want and keep it to yourself.

Why do the thought exercises of others cause you so much angst?

Do you think it's likely because thought causes you pain? Or is it simply that witnessing others testifying to their beliefs makes you feel diminished for having spent so little time analyzing why you like dicks so much?

[Hasbinbad]

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[r00t]

The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs. the corner store sells finer scotch, but who's got uncut powder?

"At what age can I choose how to live?

[Kagatob]

You ever notice the only people who ever seem to get clean are people who find god in their lives?? I don't believe in any religion mans created but it seems that the only people who really get clean and STAY that way are people who find god/become religious.

I know four living examples that make this statement very wrong.

[Hasbinbad]

I suppose my excuse is I haven't accepted my powerless over my addiction or faith in a higher power yet.
I love you right now.

I hate this complete sentence more than SIMPLY the religious aspect of 12 steps. Honestly, I find some faults with the prayer, but it does have things to learn. All of the anecdotes in their bible have things you can learn, just like any religious scrip. And you can't argue the results. There is not a more efficacious way to long-term get people off alcohol yet. However, it absolutely is addiction replacement for many if not most members, it absolutely is weird and culty, it absolutely is capable of exposing members to the very things (or worse) they are trying to get away from.

Shrug.

[Hasbinbad]

atheists [..] are [..] idiots.
edited for clarity

Agnosticism 2016

[Hasbinbad]

Atheist, agnostic and religious people are all equally smug and annoying.
I don't think you know what agnosticism is.

[Stinkum]

Why do the thought exercises of others cause you so much angst?

Do you think it's likely because thought causes you pain? Or is it simply that witnessing others testifying to their beliefs makes you feel diminished for having spent so little time analyzing why you like dicks so much?

Once you grow up you realize pretty quickly that these "thought exercises" are just you masturbating in self-satisfaction at your ability to paraphrase the same tired talking points for/against religion that we all already thought of and grew past by the age of 14.

[Hasbinbad]

its absurd to say that going to AA meetings can be as harmful as alcoholism itself
to be fair, nobody said that, although I will defend that position in this conversation, because aside from the physiological effects of alcohol on mammals, it is true in principle.

What I was referring to however, are the side effects of addiction, not the physiological effects of alcohol on mammals. Would you or most alcoholics end up sucking dick to get to AA? Probably not, but I actually know someone who has done that very thing. Consequences of addiction are consequences of addiction. It doesn't matter what the focus of that addiction is.

[Hailto]

Atheist, agnostic and religious people are all equally smug and annoying.

If you're not socially retarded, then once you join the adult world you will all realize how cringeworthy you were when you were 14 and thought you had it all figured with your philosophy about how religion (either for or against it).

Believe what you want and keep it to yourself.

I find it odd that you have such a strong opinion about people having opinions.

[Kagatob]

I don't think you know what agnosticism is.

Anyone can be annoying, agnostics are not exempt from this.

[pharmakos]

^^

Atheist, agnostic and religious people are all equally smug and annoying.

agnosticism by definition cannot be wrong (nor right)

[pharmakos]

fuck i wish RNF allowed edits

[Hasbinbad]

Anyone can be annoying, agnostics are not exempt from this.
just because i am smug does not mean agnostics are smug. in fact that is kind of ludicrous, because in context there is nothing to be smug about.
agnosticism by definition cannot be wrong (nor right)
That's because it does not make a statement in the first place, except the disavowal of certainty whether it is right or wrong. So what you said is a false analogy because you can't compare "not making a statement" to "two different kinds of statements."

[r00t]

I'm high on benzos and booze in class atm just to function

[pharmakos]

buttttt

"if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice" -- geddy lee

[kingsBlend]

I'm high on benzos and booze in class atm just to function

That's a bad combination man. I know exactly what you are going through, unfortunately for me, the only thing that helped was a jail sentence, which is that path you are going unless you get your shit together asap. Either that or death, you decide.

[r00t]

If I was worried about my health id. protest obamacare

[Hailto]

Agnosticism is pretty ridiculous, how can one be "unsure" whether or not god exists? Are you also unsure of whether Thor and Vishnu and Matsya exist? Or does your uncertainly only extend to the christian god, if so why?

[stonez138]

Take peyote if you want to change, not even joking, if you seriously want to quit all your drug binges and shit, go get some peyote from your local Arizona shaman

There's a hallucinogen called ibogaine that is effective in treating opioid addiction.

[pharmakos]

Agnosticism is pretty ridiculous, how can one be "unsure" whether or not god exists? Are you also unsure of whether Thor and Vishnu and Matsya exist? Or does your uncertainly only extend to the christian god, if so why?

agnosticism doesn't necessarily just cover the Christian god.

Loki might exist, who knows. i don't.

[Hailto]

agnosticism doesn't necessarily just cover the Christian god.

Loki might exist, who knows. i don't.

Does the flying spaghetti monster exist? There is no solid evidence disproving his existence.

[Servellious]

It's stupid

but yea I been goin off the deepend on opiates and benzos the past 2 months.

I get sick if I dont have some type of fuckedupness in my system. Weed cuts it but I am surrounded by *****s I shouldna hung with and goes off the deepend

how do you people survive sober. I've been perpetually fucked up from 13 on

get treatment man, to many people come thru the ER over dose, homeless drug seekers etc etc, find a rehab place, ask family for a 2nd chance, fucking do it. A crutch is a crutch no matter whats its made of.

[Barkingturtle]

Does the flying spaghetti monster exist? There is no solid evidence disproving his existence.

You are making an ass of yourself.

The agnostic answer is "I don't know" regardless of how ridiculous you yourself -- tainted by your myriad biases -- judge the deity/supreme being/all-knowing super-food to be.

Fuck man.

Also:
Once you grow up you realize pretty quickly that these "thought exercises" are just you masturbating in self-satisfaction at your ability to paraphrase the same tired talking points for/against religion that we all already thought of and grew past by the age of 14.

So now you hate thoughts and masturbation. It's a special hell you've built yourself there, Stinkums. I'll pray for you to no one.

[Cecily]

Are agnostics more apathetic than atheists? I think I'm switching.

[Hailto]

You are making an ass of yourself.

The agnostic answer is "I don't know" .

Yeah, the point is its pretty fucking ridiculous to answer "i don't know" to certain questions.

[Hailto]

At least in the minds of people who are capable of rational thought.

[Cecily]

That's most intelligent answer possible for things you're admittedly ignorant on.

"I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing."

[Cecily]

-Picard

[Kagatob]

Are agnostics more apathetic than atheists?

Sometimes, labeling an entire group as apathetic comes with unnecessary baggage though.

[Hailto]

If there is no evidence for something, rational thought dictates that you assume it does not exist. There is no solid evidence for god besides some things written in books, therefore god does not exist. What is so hard about this? We apply the same logic to everything else in life except when it comes to religion and then everyone thinks its okay to make an exception.

[Kagatob]

If there is no evidence for something, rational thought dictates that you assume it does not exist. There is no solid evidence for god besides some things written in books, therefore god does not exist. What is so hard about this? We apply the same logic to everything else in life except when it comes to religion and then everyone thinks its okay to make an exception.

All this talk about logic and you don't even see the logical fallacy you've stepped into.

[Hailto]

All this talk about logic and you don't even see the logical fallacy you've stepped into.

Enlighten me.

[Cecily]

Remember when the ancient greeks had a theory on the existance of atoms?

[Hailto]

Remember when the ancient greeks had a theory on the existance of atoms?

That must mean that all theories not based in evidence are correct!

[Clark]

All I need is marijuana

[Hailto]

I need to catch up on Vikings, your sig reminded me.

[Kagatob]

Enlighten me.

To assume the negative is one thing, to assert it is another thing entirely.

[Cecily]

That must mean that all theories not based in evidence are correct!

No. Only acknowledging the possibility. Which is exactly what...

[pharmakos]

pretty much all statements of truth as necessarily either incomplete or incorrect (ask Godel re: the incompleteness theorem)

Does the flying spaghetti monster exist? There is no solid evidence disproving his existence.

maybe.

[pharmakos]

are* not as

fuck RNF and its no-edit policy

fuck it to hell

[Cecily]

I need to catch up on Vikings, your sig reminded me.

Popular misconception. The Vikings never actually had ships. Most people confuse them with the Native Americans.

[Hailto]

How are you liking TMO Cecily?

[Kagatob]

fuck RNF and its no-edit policy

fuck it to hell

[Cecily]

How are you liking TMO Cecily?

It's horrible. Will FE take me back?

[Hailto]

It's horrible. Will FE take me back?

I would have voted yes until I learned you're a negative athiest, that's as bad as being agnostic.

[mtb tripper]

Husk orb peyote

[Cecily]

I also defected to agnostic as of about 15 mins ago. To answer you seriously, it was the best choice I've made in P99. Active guild, great people. I'm already closer to more guildies than I ever was in FE, which honestly a pretty lonely place for me. Zero stress and drama. I get to backstab things a bunch. Cecily's armor color matches now... Please take me back.

[pharmakos]

what was this thread about again?

[Cecily]

We're TRYING to figure out ways to keep OP from ODing. Stop derailing it with senseless questions.

[pharmakos]

tapering down from a huge benzo habit is really difficult

too slowly and you lose motivation and start upping your doses again

too quickly and you have a seizure and die

[Hailto]

I have heard benzo wd is an absolute nightmare, would never do that shit for an extended period. I take SSRI for anxiety though, hopefully those don't have crazy benzo wd's, i have read they don't generally.

[r00t]

There's a hallucinogen called ibogaine that is effective in treating opioid addiction.

take drugs to stop using drugs

brilliant

[Flamewraith]

You ever notice the only people who ever seem to get clean are people who find god in their lives?? I don't believe in any religion mans created but it seems that the only people who really get clean and STAY that way are people who find god/become religious.

I have seen cases where people overcome their addiction claiming faith in god did it and I have met an equal amount who overcame the addiction and claimed they did it through the help of a friend or just pure will power. If you feel comforted that a divine being is aiding in your struggles so be it, but to completely rely on divine intervention is foolish and will lead you nowhere.... You need to be powerful enough to overcome your struggles yourself or you will get nowhere in life. Even if there was a god out there, what makes you think he gives a shit about you? Thousands die a day to brutal murder, famine, and genocide yet you believe this divine being cares about you even a little bit? That's selfish. If a divine being did exist his thought process would be so much larger than what we could perceive, we would be but ants to it.

[r00t]

That must mean that all theories not based in evidence are correct!

ALL of modern science outside of classical physics

[pharmakos]

take drugs to stop using drugs

brilliant

there actually is a lot of legit evidence that ibogaine helps drug addicts

ibogaine itself is not very recreational, and is reported by a lot of people as actually being very unpleasant

[r00t]

i take drugs to get high I already feel like shit otherwise

[pharmakos]

what benzos do you use?

what other drugs do you use?

[r00t]

past 2 months meth, alcohol, klonopin, hydrocodone, marijiana

I tried NA it wasnt for me

[r00t]

a nd not cuz of the jesus shit i love that part

[pharmakos]

you need more psychedelics in your life

[r00t]

I shot up meth into my arm but missed the vein and now have a marble sized lump in my arm I don't have obamacare to get it looked at

[pharmakos]

emergency rooms have to accept you even if you don't have insurance, and bill collectors can't come after you for hospital visits

just don't take an ambulance there, they can collect on those

[Barkingturtle]

I shot up meth into my arm but missed the vein and now have a marble sized lump in my arm I don't have obamacare to get it looked at

They would just confiscate it, anyway. Nope, the only course of action is to hold the flame directly beneath your meth-cyst till it ruptures and releases that delicious cloud of cat-piss fog.

[r00t]

hot rails are my favorite pasttime http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hot%20rail

[Barkingturtle]

Sometimes I just shove a funnel down my urethra and see how much dope it takes to fill my scrotum.

[Kagatob]

I still find it unbelievable that any of you are actually taking this dumb fuck OP seriously.

[r00t]

this is a cry for help they say strength is askin for help but i cant do it inperson too much shame

[pharmakos]

I still find it unbelievable that any of you are actually taking this dumb fuck OP seriously.

its more of a morbid fascination

i also like to watch faces of death videos

[Daldolma]

steer clear of obamacare they can put you to death if not healthy enough

[Grahm]

Dear naez,

"Dear Sean, after watching your downward spiral into crippling depression and substance abuse, I can honestly say that nothing will be lost when you finally shuffle off this mortal coil. Also you can't code for SHIT."

- Hitchens

(direct copy n paste, dont shoot the messenger)

[r00t]

ripped off a line from rime of the ancient mariner, 2/10

[pharmakos]

^^ my favorite iron maiden song

[Hasbinbad]

buttttt

"if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice" -- geddy lee
choosing not to decide is not the same as stating that any decision made on the basis of ignorance is fruitless.

[Hasbinbad]

Agnosticism is pretty ridiculous, how can one be "unsure" whether or not god exists?
That is not what agnosticism means.

[Hasbinbad]

The agnostic answer is "I don't know" regardless of how ridiculous you yourself -- tainted by your myriad biases -- judge the deity/supreme being/all-knowing super-food to be.
Not necessarily true. I have no problem saying that the collected deities of mankind are bullshit. I'm agnostic because of prime motivation.

[Hasbinbad]

Are agnostics more apathetic than atheists? I think I'm switching.
Yes, 100%.

Also more truthful with ourselves and the world.

[Hasbinbad]

Yeah, the point is its pretty fucking ridiculous to answer "i don't know" to certain questions.
Wait, let me get this straight..

It is ridiculous .. to answer "i don't know." .. to questions .. which you don't .. know .. the .. answer .. to?

[Hasbinbad]

If there is no evidence for something, rational thought dictates that you assume it does not exist.
That is so dumb.

[Hasbinbad]

Remember when the ancient greeks had a theory on the existance of atoms?
exactly lol

[Hasbinbad]

To assume the negative is one thing, to assert it is another thing entirely.
look at the big brain on kogatobs

[mtb tripper]

If you want to quit for good and find yourself find the shaman and ask him for a dose of cactus

[Hailto]

Wait, let me get this straight..

It is ridiculous .. to answer "i don't know." .. to questions .. which you don't .. know .. the .. answer .. to?

If there is no evidence of something's existence why would you claim you don't know if it exists or not, instead of just saying it doesn't exist unless evidence becomes available? Either the evidence is there or it isn't how can you simply not know?

[Hasbinbad]

negative athiest
atheism cult has sects that hate each other .. cardinal sign of what makes a religion

[Hasbinbad]

^^ my favorite iron maiden song
mine 2

[Hailto]

It is literally like saying you don't know if big foot exists or not because no one has proven it is impossible for it to exist.

[Barkingturtle]

Need proof God doesn't exist?

How about a dozen hbb posts in a row?

[Hasbinbad]

If there is no evidence of something's existence why would you claim you don't know if it exists or not, instead of just saying it doesn't exist unless evidence becomes available? Either the evidence is there or it isn't how can you simply not know?
So just because we haven't found the evidence yet, you're stating it does not exist.

[Hasbinbad]

If there is no evidence of something's existence why would you claim you don't know if it exists or not, instead of just saying it doesn't exist unless evidence becomes available? Either the evidence is there or it isn't how can you simply not know?
OK SCIENCE, TIME TO PACK IT UP AND GO HOME, WE'VE DISCOVERED EVERYTHING, BUT THANKS

[Hasbinbad]

It is literally like saying you don't know if big foot exists or not because no one has proven it is impossible for it to exist.
It's actually nothing like that.

[Hasbinbad]

Need proof God doesn't exist?

How about a dozen hbb posts in a row?
This is no God I want to know.

[Hailto]

It's actually nothing like that.

How is it any different?

[Hasbinbad]

OK now that I am caught up.

Hailto, you're SO much more of an idiot than I previously thought.

And/or off meds w/ Naez. Need you to stay compliant buddy.

[Hailto]

OK SCIENCE, TIME TO PACK IT UP AND GO HOME, WE'VE DISCOVERED EVERYTHING, BUT THANKS

It doesn't mean you stop looking for evidence.

[Hailto]

How is it any different?

[Kagatob]

It doesn't mean you stop looking for evidence.

It seems that you are somehow equating acknowledging one's own lack of definitive knowledge on a subject for giving up the quest for said knowledge.

[Hasbinbad]

How is it any different?
Not engaging your dipwaddery any further.

Even dawkins and hitchens can tell you what I'm talking about. You obviously haven't even read them, or watched any of their debates, much less studied agnosticism in any meaningful way. Therefore I have nothing to gain from further discourse here besides the superiority I already feel because my education was obviously far more valuable than yours, but that is only enough to only get my cock swollen but flaccid, not all the way hard, and my cock looks awesome like that, hanging all long and thick, but I can't penetrate without that rope-pushery that happens when you're turned off but trying to fuck anyway. Go read a fucking book and come back when you have something to say.

[Hasbinbad]

can't penetrate without that rope-pushery that happens when you're turned off
without supposed to say with

[Hailto]

I made a claim but can't support it so i'll instead talk about my penis and 10 community college degrees with no job to show for them.

[Hasbinbad]

rofl k

[Hailto]

Looks bad pal.

[Hasbinbad]

I told you specific reasons why i don't take you seriously. I believe that you're either pretending ignorance or stupid, because I'm sure you've been exposed to these ideas before.

You might say *I* am the one who looks bad here, lol, but if you really can't tell me how "some dude saying they saw a hairy tall guy in the woods" is different than wondering at the origin of things beyond the horizon of our universe, I absolutely don't give a shit what you say. :)

[Hailto]

There is no more evidence for the hairy tall guy in the woods, than there is for the existence of a deity. Why do you feel comfortable saying big foot doesn't exist, but you don't feel comfortable when faced with the same evidence for god's existence?

The scope of the question should not affect how you view the evidence.

[Barkingturtle]

I'm not convinced Bigfoot isn't God.

[Kagatob]

There is no more evidence for the hairy tall guy in the woods, than there is for the existence of a deity. Why do you feel comfortable saying big foot doesn't exist, but you don't feel comfortable when faced with the same evidence for god's existence?

The scope of the question should not affect how you view the evidence.

Your issues seem to be primarily contextual.

I would say it's a fair assumption that it's likely Bigfoot doesn't exist.

You're also arguing with HBB who has formally stated several times he's against the bridging between atheism and agnosticism so take that as it is.

[Hasbinbad]

There is no more evidence for the hairy tall guy in the woods, than there is for the existence of a deity. Why do you feel comfortable saying big foot doesn't exist, but you don't feel comfortable when faced with the same evidence for god's existence?

The scope of the question should not affect how you view the evidence.
it absolutely should, and you're and idiot for saying it shouldn't.

we know a lot about forests, we know about things that live in forests. we know how to look for things that live in forests. while we discover new species on occasion, those species aren't huge primates, and is usually because a given area hasn't been adequately explored. in the case of bigfoot, rumors, hundreds if not thousands of expeditions have been mounted in those areas. maybe if the rumors of bigfoot were in a forest nobody had ever been in surrounded by other species of primates where evolution like that is possible, etc etc, i would feel the same way, but that is not the case, we've brought the scope "DOWN TO EARTH." in the case of the existence of prime motivation, that is beyond what we can currently detect at all. that kind of "no evidence" is the kind where we don't even know what questions to ask in order to developt technology which will allow us to ask questions about the nature of our limitations which may give further generations some kind of insight about which way to direct research.

if you're still having issues idk what to say to you.

oh, but u win forumquest bro, u win. lulz.

[pharmakos]

choosing not to decide is not the same as stating that any decision made on the basis of ignorance is fruitless.

that's not true though

sometimes arbitrary decisions made from a position of ignorance lead to success

[Hailto]

Valid point, I can admit when I'm wrong. That was not a good analogy.

[pharmakos]

There is no more evidence for the hairy tall guy in the woods, than there is for the existence of a deity. Why do you feel comfortable saying big foot doesn't exist, but you don't feel comfortable when faced with the same evidence for god's existence?

The scope of the question should not affect how you view the evidence.

actually, there is more evidence for the existence of bigfoot

[Barkingturtle]

Valid point, I can admit when I'm wrong. That was not a good analogy.

Should have said you were trolling. By admitting the error in your thinking you have forever invalidated your intellect. Might as well just reroll a new forum persona. I mean, unless you're roleplaying a dipshit in which case: bravo.

[Hailto]

Should have said you were trolling. By admitting the error in your thinking you have forever invalidated your intellect. Might as well just reroll a new forum persona. I mean, unless you're roleplaying a dipshit in which case: bravo.

If only I were that insecure on an elf emulator forum.

[Hasbinbad]

Valid point, I can admit when I'm wrong. That was not a good analogy.
Should have said you were trolling. By admitting the error in your thinking you have forever invalidated your intellect. Might as well just reroll a new forum persona. I mean, unless you're roleplaying a dipshit in which case: bravo.
Of course barking is trolling you here, and he understands as well as I do that you've actually shown yourself to have an inquisitive and adaptive mind by admitting when you feel you've traveled down an erroneous road in an informal conversation.

[Hasbinbad]

i was actually rdy to add you to ignore just now, but you've completely changed my mind. as you were.

[gotrocks]

if you dont like long posts, skip this one and ill do a tl;dr at the end.

Going to start off by saying I think most of the RnF'ers around here know by now that I rarely, if ever, go off on someone, lose my temper, or say something really negative about someone else in a personal attack. Excluding that one time I verbally raped dredge until he stopped posting again (and he never really came back, lol), I don't think I've ever blown up on here. I have a long fuse irl and prefer to not get invested in online entertainment like that. So I hope that adds some weight to the following statement.

Fuck everyone in this thread telling naez to kill himself. Really, go fuck yourselves. Preferably with extendable electric batons so you can get deep enough to tap your heart and shock some fucking humanity back into your worthless husk of a being you call home.

I personally have no real opinion on naez as a person. I think he's lost and troubled, and I think that shows in the way he presents himself online. I don't think it makes him a bad guy necessarily, just lost. I do know, however, that this isn't a troll. He's genuinely crying for help (albeit in the wrong place) and is probably hurting pretty fucking bad right now. Judging by the last ~week or so of his posts, he's in a bad place right now, and (i hope) doesn't want to be there anymore. I'd like to see a single one of you claim that you didn't do/say something really stupid at a time when you were hurt, lost, or alone, because we all know it would be a lie, and a bad one at that.

I'm not defending naez. I'm not saying anyone here should try to coddle him, support his addiction, or even offer to help. But to sit here and shout 'JUMP' to someone who is clearly close to the edge of the bridge isn't just fucked up, it's sick. Like Holocaust kind of sick. It takes a really fucking warped mind to look at someone with a gun in their mouth and tell them to pull. You should really take a long, hard look at who you are and the things that led you up to this point in your life, because you're fucked up, probably more fucked up and less deserving of being on this earth than the person you're ridiculing.

I understand that you're (hopefully) joking. I get that we're online, and that the anonymity and distance that setting provides allows for you to justify acting in ways that you'd never act in real life. And I'll be the first to say that the 'go kill yourself' line is generally harmless in most situations. This is not one of those situations. This isn't dredge asking for advice on how to stop being his girls bitch in bed. This is a real, actual human being (dredge is clearly a trollbot) asking for real, actual help, because he is really actually hurting and wants a way out. I don't know naez, but I sincerely doubt he puts any stock in those comments. Regardless, what if he did off himself tonight? What if you heard about it on the news? What if, by some sick twist of fate and logic, he really did listen to all of you telling him to pull the trigger and actually fucking did it? You'd have just fucking killed someone. Way to go. You won at forum quest. But you lost at being a real human being.

Naez, millions of people have been exactly where you are now, myself included. I promise you no matter how bad your situation is, you can fight your way out. I did, and from the sound of it, I was a LOT farther along than you are now. It takes strength, it takes heart, and it takes an utter willingness to say fuck you life, and take all the shit it throws at you while you grit your teeth in a smile and ask for more. It's a long road, and a lot of people stray off the path and have to start all over at the beginning. or they die. Or they go to jail. It's pretty much that simple. You don't have to do this alone, there are so many resources out there to help you, some of which i outlined in my original post way back on page 1. You don't have to do AA, but you do need to do something, and you DO need to get the fuck away from anyone that uses/helps you use. And you need to stay away from the booze, too. You're an addict, bud, and you're going to have to start living with that knowledge and understanding what it means for you. You CAN do this and it IS worth it. You are worth it. Your life is worth it. You sure as fuck aren't going to believe that right now, so you had better tell it to yourself every god damn day until it becomes a reality for you. You will get there, that I promise. If you want to talk more, my door is open, I have been to literal hell and back, back to hell, and then back again, but I made it out. I'm not gonna hold your fuckin hand, but if you need someone to talk to, i'm here.

I have a lot more to say but I'd like to calm down a bit before I try to add to the aa/na and the peyote/ibogaine discussion. I like you guys and I like this community, and I really do NOT like getting worked up and making an ass of myself by wearing my heart on my sleeve, but this went too far. Those of you who crossed that line should go kill yourselves.

tl;dr You're a fucked up human being if you kicked naez while he was actually fucking down IRL, regardless of what you think of him as a person. I'm all worked up and making a fool of myself over this, so if you want to see that, read the above post. Enjoy.

[Barkingturtle]

Gotrocks, go fucking kill yourself.

[pharmakos]

eh he's on too many drugs to care what any of us faceless online people say about him

[Doors]

I'm not talking about the 12 step program. I'm talking about just putting faith into a religious belief/idea/diety/whatever. I personally know people that this has helped. It turned their lives around. I don't expect trolls on this board to know shit about it. But if it works it works. Anything is better than letting a substance abuse destroy or kill you.

[Hailto]

If you knew root (naez) better you wouldn't be getting so worked up over this gotrocks. He is a big ole troll.

[r00t]

i was 6 years clean off meth, clean is arbirtray, i just smoked a lot of weed and turned into an alcoholic things havent gone well since my brother died and I really dont give a fuck whether I live or die so Im going out fast but I still dont feel like ive made my lifes work

[Hasbinbad]

I'm not talking about the 12 step program. I'm talking about just putting faith into a religious belief/idea/diety/whatever. I personally know people that this has helped. It turned their lives around. I don't expect trolls on this board to know shit about it. But if it works it works. Anything is better than letting a substance abuse destroy or kill you.
Society for Creative Anachronism or a drama class or watching Mister Rogers is also good for exploring the imagination.

[Hasbinbad]

myself included.
JUMP!!!!!!!

[Hasbinbad]

Gotrocks, go fucking kill yourself.
o. i read this before but didn't catch you were referencing the same thing i was.

ur too funny. wanna get married?

[r00t]

I took the firing pins and destroyed them out of my weapons because of the way I felt about hurting myself and others

[pharmakos]

"Who lives longer? the man who takes heroin for two years and dies, or a man who lives on roast beef, water and potatoes 'till 95? One passes his 24 months in eternity. All the years of the beefeater are lived only in time"

Aldous Huxley

[gotrocks]

I understand completely that the chances of naez actually offing himself because some ass on an online forum told him to do so are slim to none, but it doesn't make the person who did it any less of a shitty person. The bottom line is he's really is close to the edge, and even if he's not he's clearly down and close to out, and to jump in on someone when they are like that is just flat out wrong.

Y'all know I'm not some pussy ultra hippy sentimental type, either, and I think talking shit to one another is part of the bond that holds us all together, but there's a line, and that line needs to remain uncrossed.

Yes, I know naez is a troll, and I know the hatred most of you hold for him is usually reserved for rapists and child molesters, but that still doesn't change the situation.

I'll point you to this thread -> http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=112819
which is basically naez having an utter (and frankly crazy, like actual mental kind of crazy) meltdown over being blocked on irc by people he used to spend a lot of time chatting with.

He's hurt and alone, and even though I completely agree its his own doing, that doesn't change my position that callously trying to push him over the edge, joking or not, is fucking wrong. It's one of those situations where if you don't have anything nice to say, just shut up.

and <3 u too turtle, feel free to direct your naez rage at me for the remainder of the thread =P

[gotrocks]

oh, didnt catch hbbs post before i put mine up, love u too big guy.

i can feel the love in this thread growing already.

[Hailto]

I do not hate naez at all, i talk to him on a regular basis on IRC. But you really don't understand his motivation, naez enjoys fucking with people who show any semblance of care for his well being. I was one of the people he referenced in that IRC thread; I know him pretty well. Yeah, I believe he has some substance abuse problems, but he greatly exaggerates them to get a rise out of people on forums. By getting all worked up over it you're giving him what he wants.

[Barkingturtle]

Naez is honestly one of my favorite posters. One of the few distinct personalities on this forum. If you really need helppal, feel free to go fucking kill yourself.

Haha, just kidding. Jeez.

[r00t]

im about 15 klonopins deep and 2 on standy and drank a bottlw of wine and have a 40oz.

so yea, im not in the BEST OF SPIRITS

[Barkingturtle]

I bet you can't drive right now.

[r00t]

how you think I got this 40

[Barkingturtle]

Gave a bum a handjob?

[gotrocks]

By getting all worked up over it you're giving him what he wants.

I already know.

Still think he needs help, and I still think he doesn't deserve being kicked when down, but I think I said what I needed to say and feel happy leaving it at that.

Naez, if it really is as bad as you say/think it is, get some help, find some REAL LIFE friends who care, and get the fuck out of the hole you've dug before you hit some real shit and really are better off dead.

If you're just trolling however, grats on getting me even more worked up than dredge that one time, and go kill yourself :)

theee loooovvvee...

[pharmakos]

druggies enjoy being kicked while they're down

it increases their buzz

[Barkingturtle]

Naez, if it really is as bad as you say/think it is, get some help, find some REAL LIFE friends who care, and get the fuck out of the hole you've dug before you hit some real shit and really are better off dead.


Yes. If this isn't just a case of "The Junkie Who Cried Lizard People" then do please seek help naez.

[pharmakos]

"The Junkie Who Cried Lizard People"

that was my favorite bedtime story when i was a kid

my parents were weird people

[r00t]

This is how the end begins

http://i.imgur.com/uVizmc0.jpg

[r00t]

http://i.imgur.com/xyJ3tzU.jpg

[pharmakos]

sherlock-bubbler?

[Hailto]

With a bag of oregano and 2 blood pressure pills?

[Alawen]

Hi ForumQuest pals! I like threads like this once in a while, so I thought I'd pop in with a few thoughts.

First, Naez. My opinion is that he's going to die by his own hand. It's been obvious for some time. It will probably happen within months of dropping out of school when he realizes that no one pays for linear modifications to borrowed source code.

I used to be a complete AA naysayer, but then I met my friend John. John is a nasty drunk. There is no limit to how much he will drink and he is an asshole when he drinks. He gets into fights. He's also a shitty fighter. He's Irish, with the cliche glass jaw. It's been shattered on two separate occasions, and another time when it didn't break, his molars on the other side from the impact shattered. He goes to AA several times a week, and I encourage it. He's a Randian since he stopped drinking. It's annoying, but he hasn't needed an ambulance for more than two years now.

My own alcoholism, as asserted by my pal Harry, is not going well. I haven't had a drink since the bottle of prosecco I drained at the beginning of the month. I'll get myself drunk and post more love notes to him after my class ends in mid-July. Maybe I'll even buy some weed so Harry can call me a junkie.

I think EverQuest, as a habit-forming behavior, is most similar to things like gambling and shopping. It has the same sorts of unpredictable rewards that drive lab rats insane. It's hell on employment and social relationships, and also seems to bring out physical neglect.

Hailto's error is using Bigfoot as an analogy for the Christian god. This doesn't make him an idiot; it makes him human. As a species, we're known to make mistakes.

Russell's teapot isn't a terrific analogy for the Christian deity, either. However, both arguments are sound and valid. They demonstrate argumentum ad absurdum in Hasbinbad's position, which is known as agnostic conciliation. It is not possible to reconcile this position with several parts of Western thinking, notably logic, the scientific method, and Occam's razor. It's difficult to make judgments on motivation, but I am fairly confident that HBB plays at agnosticism specifically for these vapid and repetitive arguments. I often think that most agnostics are playing a weak version of Pascal's wager. If you don't believe in a deity, you don't believe in a deity.

If one day you hear God talking to you, see a psychiatrist. Schizophrenia is difficult to treat, but success rates are higher when treated early. If you face the end of your life or lose someone you cannot bear to be without and need to believe in a deity, I'll never state my atheist beliefs to you again. I'll even pray with you. There are reasons we are capable of cognitive dissonance. It's a survival mechanism.

As an individual, I have switched positions from being a live-and-let-live atheist to an in-your-face atheist and back again. My current reasoning is that religion is primarily a social need. People want to belong to something and modern culture is lacking in those opportunities. Many people will profess to believe in their bible or other religious text, but most are actually ignorant and will scramble for rationalizations when pressed with nonsensical or socially unacceptable content such as murder, rape, incest, slavery, human sacrifice, and so on.

Finally, arguing with Hasbinbad is pointless. He claims evidence from his own mind, refutes widely accepted primary sources, willfully and repeatedly moves goalposts, and inevitably resorts to name calling. Assuming that he is capable of self-examination, he represents the epitome of intellectually dishonest.

It's time for bed. Until next time, I bid you all a good night.

TL;DR: Hi ForumQuest pals!

[gotrocks]

Yes. If this isn't just a case of "The Junkie Who Cried Lizard People" then do please seek help naez.

faith in p99's forums humanity restored, thanks turtle.

i really mean that.

[pharmakos]

r00t, please don't die, just so that the world will continue to have threads like this

[Ephirith]

He's a Randian since he stopped drinking.

Kill it with fire. Or get it drinking again

[r00t]

http://i.imgur.com/hatNDEY.jpg

[gotrocks]

Bah, i see now that hailto was right, and this is just a cry for attention.

I have no sympathy for you if all you're going to do is pop kpins and cry about your situation and not do anything about it. It's within your power to change things. If you're not going to do that then accept where you are and live with it.

I doubt you'll even remember these posts if you're that many pills in already. At least find a real drug like heroin or meth, pills are for chicks, pussies, and old people. Excluding the old oxycontins that you could smoke/shoot

[r00t]

http://i.imgur.com/FhjG7Fw.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/AdULfO6.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/h6BNFtb.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/P8XHzrf.jpg

[r00t]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TlBTPITo1I

[hatelore]

http://i.imgur.com/FhjG7Fw.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/AdULfO6.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/h6BNFtb.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/P8XHzrf.jpg

Either thats a cylinder full of spent shells are you sir are a dumbass. Didn't your daddy ever teach you not to play with a loaded gun? Now quit being a attention whore on a elf forum. If you really need help go get help. Don't kill the poor cat! The cat is innocent yo~

[Barkingturtle]

Would been funnier:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgzGwKwLmgM

[r00t]

I never had a real father figure

[r00t]

this isnt r/suicidewatch tell me what the fuck im supposed to do sober that isnt rollerskating

[hatelore]

Man Freddie Mercury could sing, now that was a cool gay guy there.

[gotrocks]

suggestions have been given. finding stuff to do sober is only part of the equation.

[Karkona]

Lol, aiming the gun at the cat reminded me of the other day. One of my cats puked on the floor (They do this after they go outside and eat grass to throw up those hairballs that get stuck in their tummy). My wife saw it, cleaned it up, then calmly loaded her .38 Smith & Wesson and she walked up stairs and I heard her saying in a sweet voice, "Kitties! Come here babies! Come to momma. Mommy's got something for you!" So... yea I had to grab her quick and pull the gun off of her... but you know I'm sure that will never happen again.... hmm..

[Ishukone]

*****

[Hailto]

Man Freddie Mercury could sing, now that was a cool gay guy there.

http://i.imgur.com/dcnTL5O.jpg

[Ishukone]

naez, all u gotta do is send me some cash in paypal, then me being happy will make u happy :)

[Hasbinbad]

Hi ForumQuest pals! I like threads like this once in a while, so I thought I'd pop in with a few thoughts.

First, Naez. My opinion is that he's going to die by his own hand. It's been obvious for some time. It will probably happen within months of dropping out of school when he realizes that no one pays for linear modifications to borrowed source code.

I used to be a complete AA naysayer, but then I met my friend John. John is a nasty drunk. There is no limit to how much he will drink and he is an asshole when he drinks. He gets into fights. He's also a shitty fighter. He's Irish, with the cliche glass jaw. It's been shattered on two separate occasions, and another time when it didn't break, his molars on the other side from the impact shattered. He goes to AA several times a week, and I encourage it. He's a Randian since he stopped drinking. It's annoying, but he hasn't needed an ambulance for more than two years now.

My own alcoholism, as asserted by my pal Harry, is not going well. I haven't had a drink since the bottle of prosecco I drained at the beginning of the month. I'll get myself drunk and post more love notes to him after my class ends in mid-July. Maybe I'll even buy some weed so Harry can call me a junkie.

I think EverQuest, as a habit-forming behavior, is most similar to things like gambling and shopping. It has the same sorts of unpredictable rewards that drive lab rats insane. It's hell on employment and social relationships, and also seems to bring out physical neglect.

Hailto's error is using Bigfoot as an analogy for the Christian god. This doesn't make him an idiot; it makes him human. As a species, we're known to make mistakes.

Russell's teapot isn't a terrific analogy for the Christian deity, either. However, both arguments are sound and valid. They demonstrate argumentum ad absurdum in Hasbinbad's position, which is known as agnostic conciliation. It is not possible to reconcile this position with several parts of Western thinking, notably logic, the scientific method, and Occam's razor. It's difficult to make judgments on motivation, but I am fairly confident that HBB plays at agnosticism specifically for these vapid and repetitive arguments. I often think that most agnostics are playing a weak version of Pascal's wager. If you don't believe in a deity, you don't believe in a deity.

If one day you hear God talking to you, see a psychiatrist. Schizophrenia is difficult to treat, but success rates are higher when treated early. If you face the end of your life or lose someone you cannot bear to be without and need to believe in a deity, I'll never state my atheist beliefs to you again. I'll even pray with you. There are reasons we are capable of cognitive dissonance. It's a survival mechanism.

As an individual, I have switched positions from being a live-and-let-live atheist to an in-your-face atheist and back again. My current reasoning is that religion is primarily a social need. People want to belong to something and modern culture is lacking in those opportunities. Many people will profess to believe in their bible or other religious text, but most are actually ignorant and will scramble for rationalizations when pressed with nonsensical or socially unacceptable content such as murder, rape, incest, slavery, human sacrifice, and so on.

Finally, arguing with Hasbinbad is pointless. He claims evidence from his own mind, refutes widely accepted primary sources, willfully and repeatedly moves goalposts, and inevitably resorts to name calling. Assuming that he is capable of self-examination, he represents the epitome of intellectually dishonest.

It's time for bed. Until next time, I bid you all a good night.

TL;DR: Hi ForumQuest pals!
Shut up nerd. You're willfully misrepresenting my arguments and my tactics based on anti HBB bigotry.

[pharmakos]

http://i.imgur.com/h6BNFtb.jpg

noooooooooooo

[KessonDaslef]

more pictures of the cat please

[Hasbinbad]

http://i.imgur.com/h6BNFtb.jpg

ur a fucking idiot.

[pharmakos]

those hairballs that get stuck in their tummy

feed them a teaspoon of olive oil mixed into their wet food and they'll start pooping out their hairballs

gotta be mixed in the wet food for my cat to eat it, she won't touch dry food with olive oil mixed in

[Kagatob]

Lol, aiming the gun at the cat reminded me of the other day. One of my cats puked on the floor (They do this after they go outside and eat grass to throw up those hairballs that get stuck in their tummy). My wife saw it, cleaned it up, then calmly loaded her .38 Smith & Wesson and she walked up stairs and I heard her saying in a sweet voice, "Kitties! Come here babies! Come to momma. Mommy's got something for you!" So... yea I had to grab her quick and pull the gun off of her... but you know I'm sure that will never happen again.... hmm..

Dumb/crazy bitch doesn't deserve fingers. Just saying. :cool:

[gotrocks]

Bah, i see now that hailto was right, and this is just a cry for attention.

I have no sympathy for you if all you're going to do is pop kpins and cry about your situation and not do anything about it. It's within your power to change things. If you're not going to do that then accept where you are and live with it.

I doubt you'll even remember these posts if you're that many pills in already. At least find a real drug like heroin or meth, pills are for chicks, pussies, and old people. Excluding the old oxycontins that you could smoke/shoot

reiterating this because i stood up and tried to help you and then you go make an ass out of both of us one page later.

[Karkona]

feed them a teaspoon of olive oil mixed into their wet food and they'll start pooping out their hairballs

gotta be mixed in the wet food for my cat to eat it, she won't touch dry food with olive oil mixed in

Cool, thanks. Sounds better than the wife assassinating them next time.

[r00t]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiAAFjbvOsM

over it, your suggestions didnt help

[hatelore]

Or just be a man,and get a dog. Then put your only mangy dirty cat outside so he can kill the cats and mice like he was invented to do. ~~~

[gotrocks]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiAAFjbvOsM

over it, your suggestions didnt help

you're too busy getting high to even try anything else.

but k. i guess you're going with 'shutup and learn to accept it' right?

[Hasbinbad]

reiterating this because i stood up and tried to help you and then you go make an ass out of both of us one page later.
dude you got warned .. naez b trollin .. and is a fucking moron for playing with loaded weapons

[Kagatob]

you're too busy getting high to even try anything else.

but k. i guess you're going with 'shutup and learn to accept it' right?

dude you got warned .. naez b trollin .. and is a fucking moron for playing with loaded weapons

Called it outright page 1. The rest of you kids are too nice to this troll and I still can't figure out why. I can only guess it's some archaic instinct that has you valuing life based on how much DNA you have in common with it.

Walking up the stairs today I made a point to not only avoid stepping on a ladybug I found on said stairs, I also moved it into the grass so it wouldn't get stepped on by the next person. That said just fucking kill yourself Naez. Getting sick of this mickey mouse bullshit.

[r00t]

Im literally 100% sober

half dozen of these inc http://i.imgur.com/uImvgGl.jpg

[gotrocks]

dude you got warned .. naez b trollin .. and is a fucking moron for playing with loaded weapons

I don't even think he's trolling, which is the part that makes me sad. Note the difference between feeling sad for him, and having sympathy, of which i have none.

and +1 for the loaded weapon thing. that shits gonna go off naez take'em out.

[gotrocks]

oooo. 30mgs of hydrocodone. hardcore.

this is just getting silly.

[r00t]

I dont have anything that makes me feel good

[Bazia]

i like naez troll or not

shud just smoke weed other shit is bad

[r00t]

oooo. 30mgs of hydrocodone. hardcore.

this is just getting silly.

well when you consider my chronic alcoholism for 4-10 years, i lost count on klonopins, and nuke_this_gay_erath.dll

Im so fucking trieds

[r00t]

not even extracting the apap, will snort these on stream in about 30 mins

[Kagatob]

I dont have anything that makes me feel good

I thought you had that magical sky fairy?

[gotrocks]

that sounds like a waste of your nasal cavity.

all those kpins = nothing is going to get through to you tonight. dont drink too much. you really are playing with death right now.

[pharmakos]

I dont have anything that makes me feel good

you should feel good about giving a bunch of neck beards a night of entertainment with this thread

[Hailto]

Yeah, this thread had really been a breath of fresh air for RnF.

[Hailto]

Yeah, this thread *has* really been a breath of fresh air for RnF.