Daldoma

[Hasbinbad]

This is what the greatest generation of patriots fought and died for.

http://i.imgur.com/WA5n7Qy.png

Theirs was a completely wasted and foolish effort, and everything since (and much before) has been much more morally suspect / outright evil.

"Land of the free bc of the brave?" LOL laugh/spit in your face.

Discuss.

[Daldolma]

if america is not greatest country you'd be able to prove it

[Hasbinbad]

2 + 2 = america is not the greatest country in the world

science.

[Daldolma]

that is not compelling

USA USA USA

[Kagatob]

if america is not greatest country you'd be able to prove it

Life expectancy? Education of youth? Economy? Healthcare?

Amurika kinda fails at all of those things.

[Hasbinbad]

kagatobs brings up a good point.. what criteria are you using to judge USA best ?

[Kagatob]

Defense spending #1
USA USA USA!

Something like that I think.

[Daldolma]

average of all relevant criteria

[Hasbinbad]

relevant criteria
define

[Kagatob]

average of all relevant criteria

Barely average when anything below average is literal third world = the best now?

[Daldolma]

freedom liberty and justice

[Kagatob]

freedom liberty and justice

Canada, half of the European Union, New Zealand, Japan and surprisingly enough, parts of South America. Have more of this then the USA.

Please try again.

[Daldolma]

Canada, half of the European Union, New Zealand, Japan and surprisingly enough, parts of South America. Have more of this then the USA.

Please try again.

[citation needed]

wrong until proven

[Kagatob]

Ignorance is no excuse for lack of understanding common sense and/or current events.

If I state that 7 is greater than 5, even if you don't know how to count it doesn't merit [citation needed].

Please try again.

[Hasbinbad]

freedom liberty and justice
ok, then what are your criteria for determining what are the most free, libertied, and just societies are?

[Daldolma]

Ignorance is no excuse for lack of understanding common sense and/or current events.

If I state that 7 is greater than 5, even if you don't know how to count it doesn't merit [citation needed].

Please try again.

oh ok so no proof

USA USA USA

[Daldolma]

ok, then what are your criteria for determining what are the most free, libertied, and just societies are?

sorry u don't believe in braveheart, have to cut you off here

[Alawen]

The contrast of the two images in HBB's original post is really compelling. It's somewhat hyperbolic, of course, but we are just not doing a good job of keeping our country beautiful. We let our urban centers decay, and we do stupid shit like blowing the tops off mountains and mining wilderness with toxic chemicals for trace elements.

I am not a religious man, but I agree with the Dalai Lama when he says that happiness is the meaning of life. In one of the few studies of happiness (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/11/061113093726.htm), Adrian White at the University of Leicester found that the United States doesn't even make the top twenty for happiest countries. Materialism is not the path to happiness, or at least it's not my path.

[big league chew]

USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA

[Ahldagor]

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-quality-of-life-map.html

norway: vikings, cold as fuck winters, seal clubbing, whaling, mountains and forests...
australia: crocodiles, cane toads, massive sand storms, close to new zealand (the hobbitses) and the great barrier reef

[Daldolma]

norway cold as fuck with no diversity, australia penal colony, netherlands moral bankruptcy

usa #1 yet again

[Ahldagor]

norway cold as fuck with no diversity, australia penal colony, netherlands moral bankruptcy

usa #1 yet again

what about hong kong?

[Daldolma]

will repeat usa #1 again

[Ahldagor]

galway ireland #1

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Life expectancy? Education of youth? Economy? Healthcare?

Amurika kinda fails at all of those things.

If you remove blacks / mexicans from the statistics, how do those numbers look? We've got some serious social problems but I'm genuinely curious how they match up. Also, remove the south too. Everything east of Texas along the shore :3

[r00t]

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If you remove blacks / mexicans from the statistics, how do those numbers look? We've got some serious social problems but I'm genuinely curious how they match up. Also, remove the south too. Everything east of Texas along the shore :3

[formallydickman]

The contrast of the two images in HBB's original post is really compelling. It's somewhat hyperbolic, of course, but we are just not doing a good job of keeping our country beautiful. We let our urban centers decay, and we do stupid shit like blowing the tops off mountains and mining wilderness with toxic chemicals for trace elements.

I am not a religious man, but I agree with the Dalai Lama when he says that happiness is the meaning of life. In one of the few studies of happiness (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/11/061113093726.htm), Adrian White at the University of Leicester found that the United States doesn't even make the top twenty for happiest countries. Materialism is not the path to happiness, or at least it's not my path.

Having lived in Hiroshima and many, many cities of varying size across Japan, I can tell you that that picture is not only misleading but does not reflect the reality of most cities throughout Japan. There has been a trend over the last 20+ years of young Japanese people moving from small cities to the 2 major population centers, and now a decentralization is underway from the cities to the surrounding suburbs. Combine that with a steady population decrease and you will find an overabundance of unkempt and uninhabited property from 2 blocks off the Shinjuku station in downtown Tokyo to the smallest village on Shikoku. Murica might not be the best but I can tell you from personal experience that Japan isn't either.

[Splorf22]

What's funny about this HBB is that while you are totally right, as a liberal you have no clue that it is the exact policies you champion (the ones like socialism, feminism, and multiculturalism) that got us there. America grew to be the greatest power in the world by championing individual liberty and hard work, not government handouts for special interest groups.

When I grew up I was a patriot. Not any more. We are the reincarnation of ancient Rome, with a vast empire that fucks up random people with drone strikes and a tyrannical government that impinges more on or our civil liberties each day while making us all slaves to the fiat bankers in New York.

[Splorf22]

Having lived in Hiroshima and many, many cities of varying size across Japan, I can tell you that that picture is not only misleading but does not reflect the reality of most cities throughout Japan. There has been a trend over the last 20+ years of young Japanese people moving from small cities to the 2 major population centers, and now a decentralization is underway from the cities to the surrounding suburbs. Combine that with a steady population decrease and you will find an overabundance of unkempt and uninhabited property from 2 blocks off the Shinjuku station in downtown Tokyo to the smallest village on Shikoku. Murica might not be the best but I can tell you from personal experience that Japan isn't either.

While the US is definitely collapsing, Japan may actually be in worse straights from a debt slavery perspective.

[Alawen]

Having lived in Hiroshima and many, many cities of varying size across Japan, I can tell you that that picture is not only misleading but does not reflect the reality of most cities throughout Japan. There has been a trend over the last 20+ years of young Japanese people moving from small cities to the 2 major population centers, and now a decentralization is underway from the cities to the surrounding suburbs. Combine that with a steady population decrease and you will find an overabundance of unkempt and uninhabited property from 2 blocks off the Shinjuku station in downtown Tokyo to the smallest village on Shikoku. Murica might not be the best but I can tell you from personal experience that Japan isn't either.

This is the hyperbole I referenced. Obviously not all of Japan is shimmering skylines and not all of the United States is abandoned buildings. The point remains, though, that this country is suffering from severe urban decay. A perfect example is wealthy San Francisco, filled with homeless beggars, the smell of urine, and even human feces on sidewalks. The best kept cities I've seen have been in Germany and Switzerland.

[r00t]

norcal more like borecal

[r00t]

socal more like woahcal (hoecal, brocal, etc)

[Alawen]

While the US is definitely collapsing, Japan may actually be in worse straights from a debt slavery perspective.

Debt service is not Japan's big challenge. 95% of Japan's national debt is held by the Japanese themselves. Japan is also the large creditor country, with more than $3 trillion in foreign assets.

Japan's real worry is an aging population. Their population pyramid is pretty frightening. The obvious solution is to create robots that take care of old people. Now let me think, which country would be a good choice to create such robot technology?

[Daldolma]

trolling aside, upkeep is easier when you have a culturally homogenous country of 80 million and 3-4 major metropolitan areas as opposed to the US which is working toward 350 million, in the midst of massive demographic shifts, and being judged on the merits of cities like detroit

[Daldolma]

^ re germany

[r00t]

so cold in the D

[Eliseus]

So much wrong everywhere in this very fail thread.

[Hasbinbad]

What's funny about this HBB is that while you are totally right, as a liberal you have no clue that it is the exact policies you champion (the ones like socialism, feminism, and multiculturalism) that got us there. America grew to be the greatest power in the world by championing individual liberty and hard work, not government handouts for special interest groups.

When I grew up I was a patriot. Not any more. We are the reincarnation of ancient Rome, with a vast empire that fucks up random people with drone strikes and a tyrannical government that impinges more on or our civil liberties each day while making us all slaves to the fiat bankers in New York.
#1 I am not a liberal.
#2 I do not champion socialism or any form of statism.
#3 Your conclusions do not follow from your premises.
#4 lol dum as fuq

[Hasbinbad]

socal moarliek BROcal

norcal moarliek MOARcal

[Hasbinbad]

If you like strippers with plastic tits wearing clear heels while not getting the joke, overpriced EVERYTHING, and cocaine, socal is your shit.

If you like natural T&A, amazing dive bar culture, people who don't give a fuck what anyone thinks, and the finest indicas and sativas obtainable, norcal is your shit.