Free Will

[Kagatobs]

"When a measurement is made and it causes one member of such a pair to take on a definite value (e.g., clockwise spin), the other member of this entangled pair will at any subsequent time[6] be found to have taken the appropriately correlated value (e.g., counterclockwise spin)."

What the fuck makes you all think that free will exists? You have no choice in being born and thrown into this (reality). How the hell do you know that every thought and choice you have isn't already predestined by something else entirely.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THE MEANING OF LIFE!?!?

[Barkingturtle]

How do you know you didn't choose this life? Do you remember events from before your conception?

Seriously though, feeling impotent and yearning for a scapegoat(destiny; conspiracy theories) is a symptom of depression. Seek help.

[Kagatobs]

Your ignorance is showing.

[Pico]

aw its babbys first existentialist crisis

[Reapin]

aw its babbys first existentialist crisis

Most Humans seek patterns and order. If they can not find it , the invent it then burn you at the stake for not believing it.

[r00t]

i made thread with that k00k michio kaku explainin the electrons zap randomoly or some shit so it free will bro

[Kagatobs]

You three are as stupid as barkingturtle. This community is meant for each other.

[r00t]

just invented the word randomoly

[Kagatobs]

just invented the word randomoly

See, reapin? It thinks it's unique therefore it is.

[Reapin]

See, reapin? It thinks it's unique therefore it is.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=barking%20turtle


(Noun) A fart that creates a rapid, snapping noise as it is expelled.
Dick: What in the hell was that?
Jane: It was a barking turtle.
Dick: Pee-yooo...

Or, alternatively,

Dick: I think someone just broke into the house.
Jane: No, it was just my turle barking.
Dick: Pee-yooo...
fart fark flatulence bark poot turtle barking
by Daphne M. Sep 9, 2007 add a video

[r00t]

add a video

[Reapin]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22randomoly%22

[r00t]

only 3000 results not used in the same manner

[r00t]

i checked all of them

[Reapin]

Did you read all 3000?

[Reapin]

Uh huh.

[Barkingturtle]

fart fark flatulence bark poot turtle barking

[Alawen]

The meaning of life is to be happy. If you are not happy, you are failing at life. Furthermore, it is your own fault.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Near as I can tell, the human psyche is an open ended recursive system, You keep repeating yourself, and it mutates as it goes since it is open ended, and not a closed system. I suspect the freedom part happens because the recursivity is massive, and consciousness can variably attach itself to different parts of the recursive matrix. One can "resist" one thing (say, eating too much chocolate) not because one is choosing that action, "free will" then interrupting routine and automaticity, but that action is itself simply another aspect of the recursive whole (eg, the learned habit of serial selective dieting) that consciousness identifies with, as opposed to the thing resisted, with which it is not.

Of course the question is, even if the human psyche is a recursive whole, a cylcotron of simple learned habits mutating over time, why does consciousness attach itself to one recursive avenue (eg, serial dieting) but not attach itself to -- ie, identify with -- another (eg, chocolate eating)?

No. I just think it's more random than selected. The system just has to repeat, and can mutate, but it must repeat. So, why we identify with one tredn in our psyche and not another, is just a dice roll, and I would guess it has to do with the AoE mem blur that gets cast every night when we sleep and the system re-sorts the recursive articles and we in many ways start all over again the next day. The "stress" of conscious life is there as a constant, not because without consciousness there would be no life, but because life does not really need conscious direction much, and the stress is just this drive to be conscious, which is more or less the same, if you notice, whether you are "willing" something easy or hard.

but i do think it mainly is the aoe mem blur that's the culprit here. One can never truly be free as long as one still falls asleep.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

[hatelore]

I just want to live in a van... Down by the river.

[Malice_Mizer]

Do you find the concept that there is no free will to be threatening to you in some way? Why?

You are a object of your consciousness and the subject of your physical perception's constructed reality. Everything you've known, thought, or experienced is suspect when it comes to ascertaining something "true" or "real."

[Eliseus]

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[Ahldagor]

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that wins so hard. all of you have hit early 20th century philosophy. keep going, and that vid explains everything

[Alawen]

that wins so hard. all of you have hit early 20th century philosophy. keep going, and that vid explains everything

Don't look at me. If it's not obvious from my posts, my beliefs are closest to logical positivism and new sincerity. Sometimes I come across as a depressive realist, but that's pretty much an artifact of stress and not enough sleep. I don't deny that most Americans act like postmodern cynics (most with extreme chemical dependency), but I think that's because modern wealth and convenience encourage sloth and cowardice.

[Tecmos Deception]

Don't look at me. If it's not obvious from my posts, my beliefs are closest to logical positivism and new sincerity. Sometimes I come across as a depressive realist, but that's pretty much an artifact of stress and not enough sleep. I don't deny that most Americans act like postmodern cynics (most with extreme chemical dependency), but I think that's because modern wealth and convenience encourage sloth and cowardice.

Is this how you talk when you're sober or when you're REALLY drunk? ;)

[Ahldagor]

Don't look at me. If it's not obvious from my posts, my beliefs are closest to logical positivism and new sincerity. Sometimes I come across as a depressive realist, but that's pretty much an artifact of stress and not enough sleep. I don't deny that most Americans act like postmodern cynics (most with extreme chemical dependency), but I think that's because modern wealth and convenience encourage sloth and cowardice.

agreed on the sloth and cowardice. skimmed a lot of the posts but wasn't paying attention to names

[Alawen]

Is this how you talk when you're sober or when you're REALLY drunk? ;)

Good guesses! I've been kind of hungover all day after I tried and failed to get myself drunk last night--I had four hard ciders and then got sick of them. I didn't sleep enough all week mostly due to starting my summer job, so I've been sleeping for almost all of the last 15 hours. I just woke up from a nap in which I had a dream about having sex with a post-op tranny, but people kept interrupting us. I will never recover from the trauma of the jiggly fat girl gifs.

[freez]

i remember when u got a job at mcdonals


after slicing meat for a deli



bad

[Alawen]

I cannot remember my last beer. I don't think I've had one this year. Oh wait, it was a Blue Moon. Kelly brought a case to our studio one weekend, probably in February or March. I'm mostly a wine and brandy drinker. I'm going to try again tonight at Jen's party with a bottle of prosecco.

[pharmakos]

existence itself is bizarre, whether we have free will or not. imo, however, consciousness arising within a purely deterministic universe is the more bizarre of the two possibilities.

[Blasted]

“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're an imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather.”

[Tanthallas]

Don't look at me. If it's not obvious from my posts, my beliefs are closest to logical positivism and new sincerity. Sometimes I come across as a depressive realist, but that's pretty much an artifact of stress and not enough sleep. I don't deny that most Americans act like postmodern cynics (most with extreme chemical dependency), but I think that's because modern wealth and convenience encourage sloth and cowardice.

Postmodernism and critical theory is a result of the sloth and cowardice produced by modern wealth????

Really, keep talking. This is gold.

[r00t]

http://www.reidaboutit.com/uploaded_images/scaled_Jan_FreeWilly4-751839.jpg

[Tanthallas]

Street Kid.

[pharmakos]

“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're an imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather.”

why don't we ever hear a positive drug story -_-

[Alawen]

Postmodernism and critical theory is a result of the sloth and cowardice produced by modern wealth????

Really, keep talking. This is gold.

That's not even close to what I wrote. Nice hyperbole, though?

[Tanthallas]

That's not even close to what I wrote. Nice hyperbole, though?

So....

I don't deny that most Americans act like postmodern cynics (most with extreme chemical dependency), but I think that's because modern wealth and convenience encourage sloth and cowardice.

You are either blaming postmodernism and critical theory on the sloth and cowardice that you claim convenience and wealth produce, or you are retarded.

Pick one.

[Ahldagor]

false dichotomy man. the biggest issue is the failure of the baby boomer and all that that generation was promising the future in their time. it failed and now we have to clean everything up, but they're still around saying we're right you're wrong and have essentially turned into the things they stood against. funny how if you focus on one thing it shapes what you do...

[Hasbinbad]

I have a number of responses, but I think it will be funnier if Alawen gets sloppy tonight and responds himself.

[Alawen]

So....

You are either blaming postmodernism and critical theory on the sloth and cowardice that you claim convenience and wealth produce, or you are retarded.

Pick one.

Do you even try to make sense? I'm talking about the behavior of hipsters and internet trolls, which apparently includes you. Postmodernism is a pretty big blanket to try to call an authority for, but, as an example, Fredric Jameson is 79, making him a member of the greatest generation, not a millennial.

I'll try to state my point again so that you can attempt to understand it. The people who try to act too cool for everything (this includes you and most of the posters on this forum) are not enlightened. They are just empowered to be non-contributing jerks by the surpluses of this resource rich and underpopulated country.

Even shorter: your attempts at irony don't portray cool, they portray lazy.

[Alawen]

I have a number of responses, but I think it will be funnier if Alawen gets sloppy tonight and responds himself.

I like this idea a lot. I'll be back later.

[Ahldagor]

Even shorter: your attempts at irony don't portray cool, they portray lazy.

one of the best things ever posted on the forum