rape jokes

[Hasbinbad]

are not ever funny

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Dysqus.

[Kagatob]

They are if they are about men getting raped (don't drop the soap?).

[Kagatob]

5 minutes into the video the fat chick used the phrase "rape victim", in that alone she proves she doesn't know what the fuck she's talking about.

[Hasbinbad]

They are if they are about men getting raped (don't drop the soap?).
Never funny. That is still not funny. Even bad criminals should not be forced to have sex. And if that happens, it's not funny. On top of that, how many people in prison are actually innocent? How many are inside for pot or some other "crime" on the books based on idiot puritanical morality? Not funny.
5 minutes into the video the fat chick used the phrase "rape victim", in that alone she proves she doesn't know what the fuck she's talking about.
What?

[Kagatob]

Never funny. That is still not funny. Even bad criminals should not be forced to have sex. And if that happens, it's not funny. On top of that, how many people in prison are actually innocent? How many are inside for pot or some other "crime" on the books based on idiot puritanical morality? Not funny.

I agree with your sentiment, however the sentiment of society is the exact opposite and you know that for a fact. Men are so expendable these days it's come to the point where telling a rape joke about a woman is worse then going out and raping a man.

What?
Lurn2RapeSurvivor.

If you don't know what I'm talking about then you have a lot to learn before you try to have a discussion about this topic.

[Hasbinbad]

You're seriously going to try to exploit a single archaic use of jargon as a red herring to distract from her message? Seriously?

[Hasbinbad]

That's the best you can do? Really? Seriously?

Your respect for Kabatog has become lower! (2)

[Hasbinbad]

anyone this upset over some jokes must of had a penis near or in his butthole b4
Well thought out and illustrative of the crux of the issue. +1 A+ worth a second read.

[Kagatob]

She said rape victim at least 50 times during that video, never once said "survived" or any word close to it and then started some tangent about how suddenly any rape joke suddenly has the teller of the joke pretending they're a rapist themselves? Please. :rolleyes:

Even the whitest of white knights can see through that pile of bullshit spewing from her mouth.

[Hasbinbad]

Methinks thou dost protest too much, sirrah.

[Hasbinbad]

Your fixation on the faults you perceive in her language while ignoring what she is saying is amusing. If you ever develop something to say beyond rhetorical language, I'll be waiting.

[bubur]

god i hate the way feminists like this argue as if everything their saying is non-debatable. reminds me of people on p99 forums

[Kagatob]

Are you so blind as to not even realize that she got absolutely destroyed in that discussion? You must be, she didn't make a single good argument and changed the subject whenever she was countered.

[Hasbinbad]

Are you so blind as to not even realize that she got absolutely destroyed in that discussion?
I had quite the opposite reaction.

[Hasbinbad]

Look at kag, harrison, rellapse, and that other nobody coming out in support of rape jokes.

Keep it classy, y'all.

[kenzar]

Funny is subjective. No joke is objectively funny. That being said, this thread is objectively and unequivocally dumb. Arguing for or against a subjective concept is about as productive as your average hbb thread.

[kenzar]

I find rape/racist/any offensive jokes to be among the funniest jokes. Nothing is sacred, if you think something is, fuck you and fuck it too.

[Barkingturtle]

Rape can definitely be funny.

Like, imagine a clown getting butt-fucked or a whoopie-cushion with a dildo glued to it and try not to giggle.

[Kagatob]

I had quite the opposite reaction.
Watch your own video again and actually figure out what the guy was actually defending.
Look at kag, harrison, rellapse, and that other nobody coming out in support of rape jokes.

Keep it classy, y'all.

It's not about "supporting rape jokes" it's about supporting freedom of speech and a comedians right to talk about whatever the fuck he or she wants to and while double standards.

You do realize that comedy is funny because it's always as someone's expense, that's kind of the essence of the whole idea. If you start to censor comedians and tell them what they can and cannot say in a vacuum, you're opening up an entire can of worms that nobody wants opened.

For crying out loud, I'm an animal activist and even I chuckled a bit the first time that I heard someone say "A seal walks into a club.". It's comedy, the only thing it promotes and perpetuates is laughter, if you believe otherwise then you would agree with the universal disbanding of all art and entertainment forms because you can argue the exact same BS about music, print, video, games, etc..

[Kagatob]

While avoiding double standards**

[JurisDictum]

Well I'm relieved she doesn't want anyone arrested. I guess in this case were talking about a soft form of censorship; Where people try to go around the law and kill someones career. Ether way its bullshit. Someone may get emotional hurt periodically, that's the price of a society with free speech.
Media does affect the way people behave in mass. But there is no strong evidence I've seen that there is some direct causation between rape jokes and rape specifically. Rather, its just a piece of the "rape culture" doctrine that the modern feminist movement is married to. I got to say, out of all the sexist media (like rap videos, mainstream religious programing, and porn), comedy is way down on the list, yet always the first to come up. Rape jokes may be a symptom of a culture that doesn't take rape seriously enough. To convince me otherwise, provide some actual strong evidence to justify the claim that it belittles societies attitude of rape on a vast scale.
If you don't like what Glen Beck says, turn it off. That's sure as hell what I did. Once I figured out he was basically trolling for money. At least comedians are joking and everyone knows it.

[Hasbinbad]

Links between a comedian making a joke and then an audience member going out and raping someone isn't what was being proposed. I think the strongest argument is where the woman who is considering reporting a rape sees n audience full of people laughing at how funny rape is and decides not to. That actually is a problem.

[Hasbinbad]

But the kids that raped that chick on camera the other month sure thought that shit was funny for some reason.

[Kagatob]

But the kids that raped that chick on camera the other month sure thought that shit was funny for some reason.

I kinda stopped paying attention to that story once I found out the girl drank herself retarded before it happened, sorry they created that situation themselves and get as much pity from me as someone who drinks and decides to drive.

Last I checked they simply took pictures/video of her undressed/exposed and posted them online. Did they determine an actual rape took place or am I thinking of a different case entirely?

[Tasslehofp99]

Funny is subjective. No joke is objectively funny. That being said, this thread is objectively and unequivocally dumb. Arguing for or against a subjective concept is about as productive as your average hbb thread.

I find rape/racist/any offensive jokes to be among the funniest jokes. Nothing is sacred, if you think something is, fuck you and fuck it too.

GG!

[Hasbinbad]

I find rape/racist/any offensive jokes to be among the funniest jokes. Nothing is sacred, if you think something is, fuck you and fuck it too.
are you a straight white dude by any chance?

[JurisDictum]

I kinda stopped paying attention to that story once I found out the girl drank herself retarded before it happened, sorry they created that situation themselves and get as much pity from me as someone who drinks and decides to drive.


The bitch had it coming? That's the argument? lol.

[kenzar]

Hispanic;male;I've never had any homosexual urges.

The position I hold is that 'funny' is subjective, if you have any sort of counter-argument to that notion I'd love to hear it.

[Kagatob]

The bitch had it coming? That's the argument? lol.

What is it with Americans and automatically jumping from "They were liable and get no pity from me" to "It was their fault, no wrongdoing occurred"?

[Hasbinbad]

Nonwhite hispanic? 2/3 ain't bad for a guess.

[Hasbinbad]

The bitch had it coming? That's the argument? lol.
No that really is the argument from most of the troglodytes who will champion this.

[kenzar]

Nonwhite hispanic? 2/3 ain't bad for a guess.

guessing male/female is roughly a 50/50 chance. Given this is a EQ forum, the safe bet is male.

guessing gay/straight, unsure of actual values, but I'd say the straight vastly outnumber the straight.

guessing ethnicity is a little more problematic. Values from '08 put the hispanic percentage of the US population at 18%.

"2/3 ain't bad for a guess" The only thing you really guessed on was my ethnicity, which you got wrong. So I would say, it was terrible for a guess and equally as terrible as a red herring argument.

Furthermore.


The position I hold is that 'funny' is subjective, if you have any sort of counter-argument to that notion I'd love to hear it.

[kenzar]

guessing gay/straight, unsure of actual values, but I'd say the straight vastly outnumber the gay.



fixed.

[Kagatob]

guessing gay/straight, unsure of actual values, but I'd say the straight vastly outnumber the gay.

Bisexual, demisexual, pansexual etc. don't exist now?

Your figures suck.

[Hasbinbad]

harrison, tries, to, use, grammar, lol.

[Daldolma]

Real talk: how do you people allow HBB to troll you so fucking easily? Make him work.

Post controversial talking point
Take atypically severe stance
Watch as people go apeshit, occasionally stirring aforementioned shit
???
Harrison

[Hasbinbad]

Yes Minyin I know that you're trying to argue semantics in order to detract from the message. This is me now actually saying that I am ignoring your idiot argument about the definition of funny.

[Hasbinbad]

Post controversial talking point
Take atypically severe stance
Watch as people go apeshit, occasionally stirring aforementioned shit
???
Harrison
Busted.

[Kagatob]

What is it with Americans and automatically jumping from "They were liable and get no pity from me" to "It was their fault, no wrongdoing occurred"?

[kenzar]

Yes Minyin I know that you're trying to argue semantics in order to detract from the message. This is me now actually saying that I am ignoring your idiot argument about the definition of funny.

The classic 'walk-away' defense. Favorited among the real deal intellectuals, such as: creationists; Congratulations! Although, who am I to tell you how to handle an intellectual bitch slap? Lick your wounds however you feel appropriate.

[Kagatob]

The bitch had it coming? That's the argument? lol.

It just dawned on me, are you implying that people who drink and drive aren't responsible for their actions?

[Hasbinbad]

The classic 'walk-away' defense. Favorited among the real deal intellectuals, such as: creationists; Congratulations! Although, who am I to tell you how to handle an intellectual bitch slap? Lick your wounds however you feel appropriate.
I'm not walking away from anytihng but your lame semantic distraction. If you would like to talk about the actual issue, I'm right here.

[Hasbinbad]

It just dawned on me, are you implying that people who drink and drive aren't responsible for their actions?
You are a real piece of shit.

[Daldolma]

It just dawned on me, are you implying that people who drink and drive aren't responsible for their actions?

drink and operate heavy machinery = expose self to harm independent of others

drink and fall asleep at party = safe unless someone assaults you

no good, try again

[Hailto]

dumb things


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sjw

[Kagatob]

So let's get this straight.

Situation one: Person gets piss ass drunk and drives their car, crashes into a ravine, nobody hurt but the driver who gets killed. Poor driver, we feel bad for them, it's a 'tragedy'. You wish they hadn't died during this unfortunate situation.

Situation two: Person gets piss ass drunk and drives their car, crashes into a pile of children crossing the road killing a bunch of them, followed by a wall, killing themselves on impact. Suddenly the person is a monster and was irresponsible for what they did and if they weren't dead already you'd want them dead.

Amurika, Derp.

[kenzar]

I'm not walking away from anytihng but your lame semantic distraction. If you would like to talk about the actual issue, I'm right here.

Lick your wounds however you feel appropriate.

[Hasbinbad]

So let's get this straight.

Situation one: Person gets piss ass drunk and drives their car, crashes into a ravine, nobody hurt but the driver who gets killed. Poor driver, we feel bad for them, it's a 'tragedy'. You wish they hadn't died during this unfortunate situation.

Situation two: Person gets piss ass drunk and drives their car, crashes into a pile of children crossing the road killing a bunch of them, followed by a wall, killing themselves on impact. Suddenly the person is a monster and was irresponsible for what they did and if they weren't dead already you'd want them dead.

Amurika, Derp.
Idiot position.

Analogue:
1: person sprays uzi into crowd, ricochet kills him. so our position is automatically POOR DUDE GOT HIT WITH RICOCHET????
2: shut up

[Hasbinbad]

Minyin, I've identified your red herring as such, try again.

If you want to discuss the issue, I'm here for you and will be supportive of your needs.

If you want to discuss semantics, harrison is that way -->

[kenzar]

Rape jokes are not ever funny.

Please define 'funny.'

[Hasbinbad]

Also everything behind why you said "she did x so its ok to rape her" makes you a bad person.

[Hasbinbad]

Please define 'funny.'
No, that is a semantic argument which doesn't have anything to do with my point, and I already told you I'm not getting distracted by your red herring. I keep using that term, it actually means something.

[Daldolma]

getting in an accident while driving drunk is a natural consequence of driving drunk

getting raped is not a natural consequence of getting too drunk; it requires intervening criminal action by a separate party

your argument implies that a rape victim is responsible for resisting his or her own rape, and upon forfeiting the ability to resist, the victim is liable for any and all trespasses against his or her well being

there is no basis in ethics or law for a requirement of resistance

[kenzar]

No, that is a semantic argument which doesn't have anything to do with my point, and I already told you I'm not getting distracted by your red herring. I keep using that term, it actually means something.

You declared that rape jokes are not ever funny. If you don't think that your definition of 'funny' is pivotal to this argument being fruitful, I'd say you don't actually want anything from this beyond some attention.

Without your definition of the word 'funny' as it is being used in this context, any argument I form will be an argument from ignorance.

[Kagatob]

Idiot position.

Analogue:
1: person sprays uzi at a firing range alone, ricochet kills him. so our position is automatically POOR DUDE GOT HIT WITH RICOCHET????
ftfy
Also everything behind why you said "she did x so its ok to rape her" makes you a bad person.

Where did I even imply such?

[Kagatob]

getting in an accident while driving drunk is a natural consequence of driving drunk

getting raped is not a natural consequence of getting too drunk; it requires intervening criminal action by a separate party

your argument implies that a rape victim is responsible for resisting his or her own rape, and upon forfeiting the ability to resist, the victim is liable for any and all trespasses against his or her well being

there is no basis in ethics or law for a requirement of resistance

Again, jumping from "they put themselves in the dangerous situation" to "the rapist isn't at fault".
Deep

[Daldolma]

Again, jumping from "they put themselves in the dangerous situation" to "the rapist isn't at fault".
Deep

being asleep in a room full of 16 year olds isn't a dangerous situation

a drunk driver is criminally negligent and thus liable for the consequences of their negligence

a drunk girl that passes out in a room of friends is not negligent and is not liable for harm that comes to her beyond the natural consequences of drunkenness and/or sleep

there is no reasonable expectation that drunkenness would result in rape, especially not at 16

you're blaming the victim for something that fell well beyond the scope of reasonable consequences of her actions. see: "she was asking for it"

[Hasbinbad]

ftfy
Yeah no. When you're drunk and get behind the wheel, you're shooting into a crowd, idc if you don't think there are people around, your judgement is impaired and you shouldn't be making those decisions. What are you fucking 17 or something?
Where did I even imply such?
It just dawned on me, are you implying that people who drink and drive aren't responsible for their actions?

[Kagatob]

getting in an accident while driving drunk is a natural consequence of driving drunk

getting raped is not a natural consequence of getting too drunk; it requires intervening criminal action by a separate party

your argument implies that a rape victim is responsible for resisting his or her own rape, and upon forfeiting the ability to resist, the victim is liable for any and all trespasses against his or her well being

Also if we're going to be arguing semantics:
Getting into an accident while driving drunk is a possible consequence of driving drunk but not a natural one, people drive drunk home without issues all the time but only alcoholics will argue such and are rightly ridiculed.

Getting raped is indeed a natural consequence of getting too drunk. People are animals and do much more horrible premeditated things to sober people. Getting shitfaced in general public without someone to watch your back absolutely invites a crime of opportunity.

there is no basis in ethics or law for a requirement of resistance
Where did anyone state or even imply that the perpetrate did nothing wrong and didn't deserve to be punished?
If some dumbass leaves the window on a ground floor home open and their child gets kidnapped, does the kidnapper suddenly get off the hook because the parent was negligent? No. Why do you imply it's different in the case of rape? Fucker should be castrated, doesn't make the drunk any less of a dumb shit.

[Kagatob]

a drunk girl that passes out in a room of friends is not negligent and is not liable for harm that comes to her beyond the natural consequences of drunkenness and/or sleep

Implying they were her friends (they weren't, it was a party not a slumber party).

You're an idiot and your entire argument is laughable.

[Kagatob]

Yeah no. When you're drunk and get behind the wheel, you're shooting into a crowd.

Tell that to the people who put up the memorial not two blocks from my house for the woman who died crashing into a wall while drunk off her ass and running from the cops.

[Hasbinbad]

Getting raped is indeed a natural consequence of getting too drunk. People are animals and do much more horrible premeditated things to sober people. Getting shitfaced in general public without someone to watch your back absolutely invites a crime of opportunity.
You are an awful human being and I hope one day you attain full awareness of your point of view, which is, by far, the worst thing I can wish upon you.

[Rhambuk]

Tell that to the people who put up the memorial not two blocks from my house for the woman who died crashing into a wall while drunk off her ass and running from the cops.

If only they weren't chasing her she wouldn't have had to drive so dangerously. Police are monsters running a poor woman off the road like that, monsters.

[Hasbinbad]

Tell that to the people
No, people are fucking stupid. If you're seriously putting forth an appeal to popularity, you're even stupider than was previously apparent.

[Kagatob]

If only they weren't chasing her she wouldn't have had to drive so dangerously. Police are monsters running a poor woman off the road like that, monsters.

If HBB posted this I'd think he was serious.

I cannot tell if you are or not.

[Kagatob]

You are an awful human being and I hope one day you attain full awareness of your point of view, which is, by far, the worst thing I can wish upon you.

That I recognize that people are bad and do bad things? I'm sorry I'm not enlightened (I mean blind to everything going on in the world) like you are.

[Hasbinbad]

That I recognize that people are bad and do bad things?
No.

[Rhambuk]

If HBB posted this I'd think he was serious.

I cannot tell if you are or not.

Really? I mean I know its hard through text and all but I didn't think I ever came off like this before. Not serious.

Also where do you live?

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4895009599455998&pid=15.1 http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4955916488082456&pid=15.1

Yours will be mine.

[Kagatob]

No.

Then you have yet to make a valid point.

[Daldolma]

Also if we're going to be arguing semantics:
Getting into an accident while driving drunk is a possible consequence of driving drunk but not a natural one, people drive drunk home without issues all the time but only alcoholics will argue such and are rightly ridiculed.

Getting raped is indeed a natural consequence of getting too drunk. People are animals and do much more horrible premeditated things to sober people. Getting shitfaced in general public without someone to watch your back absolutely invites a crime of opportunity.


Where did anyone state or even imply that the perpetrate did nothing wrong and didn't deserve to be punished?
If some dumbass leaves the window on a ground floor home open and their child gets kidnapped, does the kidnapper suddenly get off the hook because the parent was negligent? No. Why do you imply it's different in the case of rape? Fucker should be castrated, doesn't make the drunk any less of a dumb shit.

your conception of a natural consequence is flawed. driving drunk impairs driving ability. impaired driving ability increases the likelihood of accident. impairment via drunkenness directly increases the likelihood of accident to the extent that it can be judged by a reasonable person that an accident is in fact a natural, if not inevitable, consequence of drunk driving. this is independent of the actions of any other party

there is no such direct correlation between drunkenness and rape. a reasonable mind could not judge rape as a natural consequence of drunkenness. in most instances, drunkenness has little or no demonstrable impact on the likelihood of rape. further, any such rape is entirely contingent upon the actions of a separate party. there must be an intervening party that commits criminal action in order for such a rape to occur. as this intervention would be decidedly unnatural, it must be judged that rape is not a natural consequence of drunkenness

you're basically arguing a bastardized version of "danger invites rescue" wherein drunkenness invites rape. the problem is that it doesn't.

also, i have no idea what you're talking about with criminals "getting off the hook". you're raising a question of liability. in the case of the drunk driver, the drunk assumes liability because his actions directly contribute to an accident. in the case of the drunk rape victim, the victim assumes no liability because getting drunk and falling asleep does not directly contribute to rape less you attempt to argue that the victim has an obligation to resist. in the case of the kidnapped child, the parent assumes no liability because having a child kidnapped is not a natural consequence of leaving a window open

[Hasbinbad]

Kabotog I seriously base my opinions on what you consider valid.

[Kagatob]

ITT: People who don't understand the concept of crimes of opportunity
Also the perpetuation of the alcohol defending culture of Amurika.

Luckily for everyone (including yourselves) your interaction with the real world is minimum.

[Daldolma]

what does a crime of opportunity have to do with anything? if you leave your front door unlocked and get hatcheted to death, you are not liable. and yet, the crime may never have happened if you had locked your door.

you're throwing around legal jargon you don't understand and drawing ridiculous parallels where they don't exist

passing out drunk and getting raped is not in any way comparable to driving drunk, aside from the obvious connection to alcohol

[Hasbinbad]

So anyway, the point is that nobody should tell jokes about rape, because that shit is fucked up. Comedians shouldn't do it, neither should you.

BECAUSE

You're hurting someone. Nearly 100,000 women report penis-in-vagina rape every year in this country. 16% of women who are penis-in-vagina raped report their experience. We're looking at more like half a million penis-in-vagina rapes per year, in this country. None of those statistics consider other forms of molestation.

1 in 5 women have been raped. That means that statistically speaking, 2 people posting in this thread have mothers that were raped.

[Hasbinbad]

Not having their asses patted without permission, that last statistic is based on the penis-in-vagina variety of rape which you find so funny.

[Kagatob]

They both involve a choice and the one throwing legal jargon around is you.

You don't choose to drink and drive, you choose to get drunk and impair your judgement and while judgement is impaired you decide to drive. Legality or not, it's stupid and the situation was allowed to happen because of the choice to get drunk and have their judgement impared. The person drinking is responsible for what happened because of their negligence. This we agree upon.

You don't choose to get drunk and get raped, you choose to get drunk and impair your ability to resist someone taking advantage of you. Legality or not it's stupid and the situation was allowed to happen because of the choice to get drunk and have their ability to resist impared. Because there is another person involved the other person is 100% to blame and you don't see any negligence whatsoever on the drinker. This is the point of contention and you are ignoring many obvious parallels.

[Hasbinbad]

You don't choose to get drunk and get raped, you choose to get drunk and impair your ability to resist someone taking advantage of you. Legality or not it's stupid and the situation was allowed to happen because of the choice to get drunk and have their ability to resist impared.
I never thought I'd say this, but I'm pretty sure you're going to hell when you die.

[Kagatob]

So anyway, the point is that nobody should tell jokes about rape, because that shit is fucked up. Comedians shouldn't do it, neither should you.

BECAUSE

You're hurting someone. Nearly 100,000 women report penis-in-vagina rape every year in this country. 16% of women who are penis-in-vagina raped report their experience. We're looking at more like half a million penis-in-vagina rapes per year, in this country. None of those statistics consider other forms of molestation.

1 in 5 women have been raped. That means that statistically speaking, 2 people posting in this thread have mothers that were raped.

All jokes hurt people, that's the essence of comedy.

Next you'll be trying to censor dead baby jokes. :rolleyes:

[Rhambuk]

hbb im a bit disappointed you only pulled statistics of men raping women, what about men raping men or women raping men women raping women.

tell me hbb, what do you have against men!?

[Kagatob]

I never thought I'd say this, but I'm pretty sure you're going to hell when you die.

Are you implying that it's never stupid to get shitfaced? That drinking alcohol in excess is never a bad thing?

If not then please tell me what you are implying.

[Rhambuk]

Next you'll be trying to censor dead baby jokes. :rolleyes:

hundreds of babies die in america each year...% %...you get the idea

[Hasbinbad]

hbb im a bit disappointed you only pulled statistics of men raping women, what about men raping men or women raping men women raping women.

tell me hbb, what do you have against men!?
91% of rapes are committed against women, 9% against men. 99% of rapists are men.

[Rhambuk]

91% of rapes are committed against women, 9% against men. 99% of rapists are men.

of course but its just as equally terrible for a women to rape a man

[Hasbinbad]

Next you'll be trying to censor dead baby jokes. :rolleyes:
1 in 10 people don't have a dead baby situation they're going to have flashbacks to. Dead babies aren't the result of direct oppression.

[Hasbinbad]

of course but its just as equally terrible for a women to rape a man
In theory.

[Kagatob]

In theory.
white guilt white knight.
/thread.

[Daldolma]

creating a stigma re: rape jokes only helps to prolong the taboo of discussing rape

if you can make jokes about nuclear war and cancer, there's no reason rape should be a sacred cow

if it's a distasteful joke, it won't be funny

[Hasbinbad]

white guilt white knight.
I don't think you understand either of those terms.

[Hasbinbad]

if it's a distasteful joke, it won't be funny
the problem is that they are made to further the status quo of the power dynamic, not to be funny.

[Kagatob]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU3IM5pWTcc

[Hasbinbad]

yes that is an example of an asshole being unfunny by hurting people.

[Kagatob]

Confirmed white knighting.

[Hasbinbad]

confirmed doesn't know what white knighting is

[Hasbinbad]

/thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU3IM5pWTcc
Confirmed white knighting.
Go home noob, you're in over your head. You don't post in a thread once you've declared it over or you just show everyone that your opinion doesn't even matter to you.

[Kagatob]

91% of rapes are committed against women, 9% against men. 99% of rapists are men.

of course but its just as equally terrible for a women to rape a man

In theory.

Confirmed white knighting.

[Hasbinbad]

confirmed doesn't know what white knighting is

[Kagatob]

Go home noob, you're in over your head. You don't post in a thread once you've declared it over or you just show everyone that your opinion doesn't even matter to you.

Mad.

[Hasbinbad]

Mad.
Seething bro. Absolutely beside myself in anger.

[kenzar]

yes that is an example of an asshole being unfunny by hurting people.

I find it hilarious; you don't. Furthering my point, that you won't approach, that funny is subjective.

Sorry, but that's offensive isn't a fucking argument in any situation.

[Daldolma]

They both involve a choice and the one throwing legal jargon around is you.

You don't choose to drink and drive, you choose to get drunk and impair your judgement and while judgement is impaired you decide to drive. Legality or not, it's stupid and the situation was allowed to happen because of the choice to get drunk and have their judgement impared. The person drinking is responsible for what happened because of their negligence. This we agree upon.

You don't choose to get drunk and get raped, you choose to get drunk and impair your ability to resist someone taking advantage of you. Legality or not it's stupid and the situation was allowed to happen because of the choice to get drunk and have their ability to resist impared. Because there is another person involved the other person is 100% to blame and you don't see any negligence whatsoever on the drinker. This is the point of contention and you are ignoring many obvious parallels.

so we're circling back to the point i made in one of my initial posts

you were implying and are now directly asserting that a rape victim has an obligation to resist, and by forfeiting the ability to resist, is in fact being negligent to the extent that he or she is partly or wholly liable for the rape

i do not agree. the ability to resist is largely beside the point. plenty of rape victims, both sober and drunk, fail to meaningfully resist their attackers for a variety of reasons. this is why we have adopted a standard of consent.

your argument is fluctuating between negligence and liability. is a person who drinks in excess and passes out generally negligent? yes. is that negligence liable for a rape? most certainly not

[Hasbinbad]

I find it hilarious; you don't. Furthering my point, that you won't approach, that funny is subjective.

Sorry, but that's offensive isn't a fucking argument in any situation.
http://i.imgur.com/jQPq5Jj.jpg

[kenzar]

why you balkin' bro?

[Daldolma]

the problem is that they are made to further the status quo of the power dynamic, not to be funny.

that really depends on the joke and the comedian

[Kagatob]

I find it hilarious; you don't. Furthering my point, that you won't approach, that funny is subjective.

Sorry, but that's offensive isn't a fucking argument in any situation.
That's what his entire argument boils down to though. Remember he said that he felt the woman in his video won the argument, her entire argument boiled down to "you're a dick for saying it". What's comedy again? Dur.
your argument is fluctuating between negligence and liability. is a person who drinks in excess and passes out generally negligent? yes. is that negligence liable for a rape? most certainly not

Let's modify the situation to something less emotionally invoking and see if your stance remains unchanged.
Girl gets wasted while barhopping downtown and walks by a hustler running a shells scam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_game) which she'd usually avoid but while having her judgement impaired she decides to play and play and play and loses all of her money. By your logic, she's 0% at fault/liable for her loss?

[Hasbinbad]

why you balkin' bro?
I've already communicated clearly to you. Go back and read.

[Hasbinbad]

Let's modify the situation to something less emotionally invoking and see if your stance remains unchanged.
Girl gets wasted while barhopping downtown and walks by a hustler running a shells scam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_game) which she'd usually avoid but while having her judgement impaired she decides to play and play and play and loses all of her money. By your logic, she's 0% at fault/liable for her loss?
This is the stupidest shit I've heard since Visage.

[Daldolma]

Let's modify the situation to something less emotionally invoking and see if your stance remains unchanged.
Girl gets wasted while barhopping downtown and walks by a hustler running a shells scam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_game) which she'd usually avoid but while having her judgement impaired she decides to play and play and play and loses all of her money. By your logic, she's 0% at fault/liable for her loss?

you cannot be serious

[Kagatob]

This is the stupidest shit I've heard since Visage.

you cannot be serious

Double ad-hominem. Double concede.

[Hasbinbad]

Double ad-hominem. Double concede.
You're right. You win. Good job.

[Hasbinbad]

This thread is much better now:
http://www.project1999.org/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=28252

Also works on other threads.

[kenzar]

I've already communicated clearly to you. Go back and read.

In a debate, in which the subject is "god is evil" you wouldn't see the importance of coming to an agreed upon definition of what 'god' is beforehand? Without this clarification, either side when faced with indefensible stance can resort to "Well that's not what I see god as" type defense.
Do you even a&p1102?

[Kagatob]

Rape is sacred, women are sacred, nothing else is sacred.

[kenzar]

In a debate, in which the subject is "god is evil" you wouldn't see the importance of coming to an agreed upon definition of what 'god' is beforehand? Without this clarification, either side when faced with indefensible stance can resort to "Well that's not what I see god as" type defense.
Do you even a&p1102?

Lol honestly, I took a lot of debate type courses during my years at uni and have never heard of this approach. I have a feeling that if someone had cried 'Red herring!', during a clarification before the debate even started they would have been laughed off campus.

ITT:TTT (Totally Transparent Troll)

[Daldolma]

^ are you arguing with yourself?

[Hasbinbad]

This isn't a formal debate.

[kenzar]

This isn't a formal debate.

Then why so scared? Come on, I answered your gender/ethnicity/sexual preference without crying red herring.

[Hasbinbad]

Not scared. Argue to the issue or with someone else.

[kenzar]

Not scared. Argue to the issue or with someone else.

The issue is an ambiguous blur without a clear cut definition. Any attempt to argue it on either side is an exercise in logical fallacy. I don't understand your hesitance to address this, if you are so sure of your stance my request would only serve to further your argument.

[kenzar]

Unless of course you realize this is all a big troll (which it is, I know it, u know it. lets be honest.) and your ridiculous stance on the issue would be blown out of the water by the mere request of clarifying what you are actually saying. That I can understand; we've all been bored on the internet before.

[Hasbinbad]

minyin do i really need to talk to you like you're 3?

[kenzar]

minyin do i really need to talk to you like you're 3?

Please do.

[Hasbinbad]

I used "rape jokes aren't funny" as a euphemism minyin. of course humor is subjective.

[kenzar]

Please start with an explanation on why humor is objective. Remember, tell me like I'm 3.

[kenzar]

Some humor is objective though. My humor, for instance, is universally accepted as quite funny.

[Hasbinbad]

Some humor is objective though. My humor, for instance, is universally accepted as quite funny.
k

[Kagatob]

Why are you guys still posting. I won. HBB start a new thread.

[Kagatob]

That first part was supposed to have a question mark after it but I jumped the gun. :o

[kotton05]

Why are you guys still posting. I won. HBB start a new thread.

/NEWTHREAD

[kenzar]

ITT: kag falls face first into troll dong; claims he won.

[Kagatob]

ITT: kag falls face first into troll dong; claims he won.

ITT: Drunk to the point of retardation people are responsible for the situations they end up in... unless they are raped.

[kenzar]

ITT: Drunk to the point of retardation people are responsible for the situations they end up in... unless they are raped.

to be fair, every female has a rape fantasy on some level, whether it be conscious or subconscious they all like it. The women that are reporting rapes are just doing so because they hate themselves for liking it so much.

[Hasbinbad]

to be fair, every female has a rape fantasy on some level, whether it be conscious or subconscious they all like it. The women that are reporting rapes are just doing so because they hate themselves for liking it so much.
also going to hell.

[Kagatob]

to be fair, every female has a rape fantasy on some level, whether it be conscious or subconscious they all like it.
While I don't agree with this statement I can't claim to be informed enough about psychology (I also personally don't believe actual psychologists are) to state whether or not what you say is true, particularly the second half of it.
The women that are reporting rapes are just doing so because they hate themselves for liking it so much.
This is the part of your statement that is universally offensive regardless of your stance on.... oh wait trollpost. Well played. :)

[kenzar]

Really though, I lean slightly towards the concentual type of intercourse, but I cant tell you how many times during sex I've been asked to choke/slap. For supposedly 'not liking' forced sex, they sure like simulated forced sex.

It makes sense when you think about how new the idea of courting a woman is to our species. For many years the initiation of sex was a man clubbing a woman and dragging her by her hair to a cave where the act happens. Any women that didn't like that would avoid it, and in turn avoid any sort of chance at passing their genes on. Any women who didn't like rape were weeded out of the gene pool long ago.

[Kagatob]

Someone once tried to argue with me that rape doesn't happen outside of the human species. Ducks! Lol.

I also know someone who had only began to have rape fantasies after experiencing such, it went away after a couple of years but it was never there to begin with, at least as far as she knew.

Does that mean anything? Not really. Let's be honest here, any amount of 'data' that's available isn't something that any of us should be considering relyable when it comes to being able to make statements claiming that 'most women' feel one way or another or for that matter whether they've experienced sexual misconduct. Yes there are women that have been assaulted and are afraid to come forward about it but there are also vindictive women who will lie about such because to them the subject of rape is far from sacred. What's the ratio? Fuck if I have a clue, but I do know that you're an asshole to claim that you know either way you try to swing it.

[Autotune]

"I'd rape you, but my dog would never look at me the same again."

[kenzar]

Someone once tried to argue with me that rape doesn't happen outside of the human species. Ducks! Lol.

I also know someone who had only began to have rape fantasies after experiencing such, it went away after a couple of years but it was never there to begin with, at least as far as she knew.

Does that mean anything? Not really. Let's be honest here, any amount of 'data' that's available isn't something that any of us should be considering relyable when it comes to being able to make statements claiming that 'most women' feel one way or another or for that matter whether they've experienced sexual misconduct. Yes there are women that have been assaulted and are afraid to come forward about it but there are also vindictive women who will lie about such because to them the subject of rape is far from sacred. What's the ratio? Fuck if I have a clue, but I do know that you're an asshole to claim that you know either way you try to swing it.

I hear what you are saying, but honestly, it is ALL women. Like I said before, it may even be a subconscious desire so some, while a very conscious desire to others, but it is still present across the board. I challenge any woman to deny this with any semblance of proof.

[JurisDictum]

3945

[Autotune]

http://www.skepticmoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/7-tpes-of-rape.gif
http://www.skepticmoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/7-tpes-of-rape-Part-2.gif

[Lojik]

I have been ridiculed my hole life for pore spelling and grammar and its a really sensitive subject for me and I think that those jokes are never funny at all those people are just assholes. People call me stupid and idiot and i don't think they no that words hurt. I am glad their is spell check on this or else I am sure some assholes hear wood make fun of me two.

[Autotune]

I have been ridiculed my hole life for pore spelling and grammar and its a really sensitive subject for me and I think that those jokes are never funny at all those people are just assholes. People call me stupid and idiot and i don't think they no that words hurt. I am glad their is spell check on this or else I am sure some assholes hear wood make fun of me two.

toohard

























my penis is for your young asshole

[Lojik]

toohard

If I asked you if you thought it was funny you'd say no.
But I know you really mean yes.

[Autotune]

If I asked you if you thought it was funny you'd say no.
But I know you really mean yes.

probably.

[SpangoNuts]

Not read all replies, so may have already been said.
Stats show '9 out of 10 people enjoy gang rape.'

[Rhambuk]

Not read all replies, so may have already been said.
Stats show '9 out of 10 people enjoy gang rape.'

9 of the 10 are the gang...

[Autotune]

9 of the 10 are the gang...

that's the joke

[Lojik]

Not read all replies, so may have already been said.
Stats show '9 out of 10 people enjoy gang rape.'

That joke was a bit forced.

[Ahldagor]

from the master

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[Ahldagor]

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[Rhambuk]

from the master



only watched the last one, pretty funny

[Hasbinbad]

lenny bruce is a god, but his comedy was done for a right-minded purpose, whereas daniel tosh is an uncouth hack

[Nune]

My best friend does stand-up comedy all the time. It's just shock value, and that is all it is. I'm starting to think you wish you were a woman.

[Ahldagor]

lenny bruce is a god, but his comedy was done for a right-minded purpose, whereas daniel tosh is an uncouth hack

i think tosh is a pop culture mirror as in this is what is fed to all of you and you eat it up like you're eating up my bit, and now you laugh at yourselves to make your self feel a little bit better. he's not as good as bruce was nor will be

[Ahldagor]

i don't get why people don't take the chance of being offended to think about how it is they got there, and whether or not what they are saying is bettering all of society or just their own personal views which they feel should be imposed.

[Hasbinbad]

It's not really about being offensive, it's about real consequences many women face because of the pervasiveness of rape culture.

[Hasbinbad]

Fuck offensiveness honestly, I agree that no cow is sacred. That analysis of what I am saying is disingenuous, and has been used as both a red herring and a straw man, as has "the definition of funny."

You all know what I'm getting at, and you're all going to hell.

[Ahldagor]

Fuck offensiveness honestly, I agree that no cow is sacred. That analysis of what I am saying is disingenuous, and has been used as both a red herring and a straw man, as has "the definition of funny."

You all know what I'm getting at, and you're all going to hell.

do tell.

read this by chance?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Order_of_Things

[Hasbinbad]

No, but foucault is on my list.

Why?

[Ahldagor]

No, but foucault is on my list.

Why?

it's worth it, and was just curio.

on a bigger note though, i think we're hitting some weird paradigm shift culturally. we're all starting to see the fall out of the baby boomers, and it's not very pretty.

[kenzar]

I know it's your fantasy as a man to get raped, so let me toss it in you while I hold a knife to your throat and rip your asshole open with hard ramming anal sex ---no lube, not even any spit. ASSHOLE

Dont get mad at me, it's just science.


It makes sense when you think about how new the idea of courting a woman is to our species. For many years the initiation of sex was a man clubbing a woman and dragging her by her hair to a cave where the act happens. Any women that didn't like that would avoid it, and in turn avoid any sort of chance at passing their genes on. Any women who didn't like rape were weeded out of the gene pool long ago.

Have you been raped before and liked it or something?

[Hasbinbad]

minyin arguing with himself again

[Hasbinbad]

drugs are bad mm'kay bro

[kenzar]

drugs are bad mm'kay bro

TAKE IT BACK!

[kenzar]

TAKE IT BACK!

^lol mad^

[Samoht]

I'm starting to think you wish you were a woman.

confirmedhttp://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=110150

[Zithax]

This thread illustrates how ignorance is as pervasive in liberals as it is in conservatives.

Also Jim Norton destroyed that obese idiot.

[Hasbinbad]

This thread illustrates how ignorance is as pervasive in me as it is in kabotog.

Also Jim Norton got destroyed by that smart lady.

[JurisDictum]

I think the only real point of contention here: Is it is acceptable for an interest group (feminist idealists in this case) that represents a minority of the population to apply economic pressure to basically censor comedy they dislike? While I don't think there really can be any law against this, I dislike how these groups get popular personalities thrown off the air through threats to advertisers. Even though I am generally sympathetic to their cause. Glen Beck is a great example. I'm confident we really didn't need to target advertisers to get rid of the ass. He was on his way out anyway.
Until someone starts directly inciting violence, they should be able to talk to those that wish to listen to them. This is clearly the spirit of the first amendment and free speech.
Part of the reason this Tosh thing was an issue, is his "joke" was directed at a specific woman in the audience and could easily be perceived as a threat or recklessly endangering the her well-being.

[Kagatob]

Part of the reason this Tosh thing was an issue, is his "joke" was directed at a specific woman in the audience and could easily be perceived as a threat or recklessly endangering the her well-being.

It wasn't a joke though, it wasn't even part of his 'routine' he just couldn't handle himself and blew up on someone like a retard for no reason.

Not to mention that he was a terrible comedian in general who unfortunately had the public's eye because of a sub-par TV show bearing his name. Even other comedians have been saying (before this whole debacle) that he's a douchebag first and a comedian second in that he's the kind of guy who's format pisses people off first and makes them laugh second.

I wish people would stop acting like he speaks for or even represents the stand-up/comedy community/industry.

[Kagatob]

HBB only person in thread who thinks the woman in the video was ahead in that discussion.

HBB only person who thinks
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is damaging.

[Reapin]

If you have been raped, don't go to a comedy show.

Problem solved.

[Kagatob]

Listen around 5:35 in your own video. She says jokes that are played down in importance, really trivialize a real and horrible thing. Then she says (in a joking way) it's not like they bring up the holocaust and say the victims were asking for it. This got a good reaction, as expected. Isn't her example also trivializing a real and horrible thing? It's just hypocritical. You think she won the argument?

[Kekephee]

All academic discussions of "rape culture perpetuation" and "trivialization of social issues contributing to the normative acceptance of violence as being laughable and therefore somehow logically it follows that it's acceptable" and all that aside, I just think, as someone who writes and performs various media of comedy and is, at the same time, 100% anti-rape, anti-domestic violence, pro-equality of women, that I have a right, if I think a joke can be told that involves rape but is still funny- and there are certainly criteria that specifically outline whether or not it is, but fuck going into that shit here- I have a right to do so without some fucking jezebel.com blogger shrieking that I'm just as bad as the rapists. I've comforted enough rape survivor friends, girlfriends, and aquaintances and protected enough women from varying degrees of being taken advantage of or being victimized in various ways that I know I am not the enemy here, and if someone tries to tell me that making a joke somehow changes that, I'm going to fucking rape her.

[JonathanHancock]

5 minutes into the video the fat chick used the phrase "rape victim", in that alone she proves she doesn't know what the fuck she's talking about.

Believe it or not there are men out there with such INCREDIBLY low self esteem they only have the courage to rape fat chicks.

And of course there are them who actually ENJOY the fat chicks.

[Hasbinbad]

everything meaningful and important about this conversation aside, I just think, as someone who writes and performs various media of comedy and is, at the same time, 100% anti-rape, anti-domestic violence, pro-equality of women, that I have a right to be a fucking idiot.
The problem and the beauty of freedumb of speech is that if you can say something, I can say something about you saying something, and you better hope that I am not louder than you.

[Hasbinbad]

So basically the best answer to "rape jokes hurt actual people" is "fuck you, i can objectify your dumb ass all I want bcoz mericuh."

Mericuh. Fuck yeah.

[Daldolma]

All academic discussions of "rape culture perpetuation" and "trivialization of social issues contributing to the normative acceptance of violence as being laughable and therefore somehow logically it follows that it's acceptable" and all that aside, I just think, as someone who writes and performs various media of comedy and is, at the same time, 100% anti-rape, anti-domestic violence, pro-equality of women, that I have a right, if I think a joke can be told that involves rape but is still funny- and there are certainly criteria that specifically outline whether or not it is, but fuck going into that shit here- I have a right to do so without some fucking jezebel.com blogger shrieking that I'm just as bad as the rapists. I've comforted enough rape survivor friends, girlfriends, and aquaintances and protected enough women from varying degrees of being taken advantage of or being victimized in various ways that I know I am not the enemy here, and if someone tries to tell me that making a joke somehow changes that, I'm going to fucking rape her.

not racist cuz have black friends

[Kekephee]

lol you think I'm talking about freedom of speech but really you just don't get that there are some things I just don't think a person has a right to accuse another person of if it's not grounded in fact but in rhetoric and politically correct asinine horseshit

[Kagatob]

So basically the best answer to "rape jokes hurt actual people" is "fuck you, i can objectify your dumb ass all I want bcoz mericuh."

Mericuh. Fuck yeah.

Like you're objectifying all men as tyrants who are out to hurt and rape everyone?

Pretty much.

Your war on men only serves to hurt women in the long run FYI, why not fight for actual equality and raise everyone up instead of trying to knock groups down.

[Kekephee]

not racist cuz have black friends

More like "not racist because I legitimately do not care about what color a person's skin is, which means if I enjoy a person's company I will be friends with them regardless of their skin color." Or, in this case, "not a rapist because I don't rape and I always make sure to protect other people from people who do." But that's ok, you tried real hard.

[Hasbinbad]

lol you think I'm talking about freedom of speech but really you just don't get that there are some things I just don't think a person has a right to say to another person if it's grounded in the fact that people are actually suffering consequences, and not because of some politically correct asinine horseshit

[Hasbinbad]

not caring is racist.

[Kagatob]

not caring is racist.

lol

[Hasbinbad]

“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse, and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality."
-Desmond Tutu

[Kagatob]

^ dude thinks he's Vash the Stampede.

[Hasbinbad]

I should say:

His Grace, Dr. Desmond Tutu

[Kekephee]

My entire point- the one that you missed in the first place because you were so anxious to use that wicked "freedumb of speech" line that you cooked up, dreaming of the showers of LOLs and /HIGHFIVES that the internet would rain down upon you for your razor sharp wit and originality- is that accusations of "indifference" or "complacency" based on the fact that a person makes a joke are insufficient and often fucking bullshit. I used the personal example of the fact that I am far from indifferent- I go out of my way to stop rape and violence against women every chance I get, and if I ever have a son you bet your ass I'm raising him to do the same- but because I don't think rape jokes are inherently, universally "wrong," people will accuse me of being "on the side of the rapists." And that is false.

[Kekephee]

I guess what I'm saying is, I think it's pathetic that people who have never done anything in their lives to help rape survivors or protect women from violence can sit on the internet and point fingers and J'ACCUSE!! other people who are probably more involved than they are because they "don't like that joke."

[Daldolma]

guilt seeping through your pores

[Kagatob]

White man's guilt.

[Hasbinbad]

My entire point- the one that you missed in the first place because you were so anxious to use that wicked "freedumb of speech" line that you cooked up, dreaming of the showers of LOLs and /HIGHFIVES that the internet would rain down upon you for your razor sharp wit and originality- is that accusations of "indifference" or "complacency" based on the fact that a person makes a joke are insufficient and often fucking bullshit. I used the personal example of the fact that I am far from indifferent- I go out of my way to stop rape and violence against women every chance I get, and if I ever have a son you bet your ass I'm raising him to do the same- but because I don't think rape jokes are inherently, universally "wrong," people will accuse me of being "on the side of the rapists." And that is false.
I guess what I'm saying is, I think it's pathetic that people who have never done anything in their lives to help rape survivors or protect women from violence can sit on the internet and point fingers and J'ACCUSE!! other people who are probably more involved than they are because they "don't like that joke."
My German friends will excuse me, and I hope to offend those that would not.

There is no such thing as a Good German.

[Hasbinbad]

And just that fast, u got godwin'd.

[Langrisser]

best rape joke: patrice o'neal on women raping men's time with their nonsense

[Lojik]

not caring is racist.

Not caring about someone's skin color is racist? Guess MLK dreamed of a nation of racists.

[Hasbinbad]

judging and caring are different things.

[Hasbinbad]

Words have meanings, you can't just "insert your own" wherever you fucking feel like it..

Well you can, but then someone who knows better is going to know that you're a moron.

[Daldolma]

oh hey fuck your ethnicity and cultural heritage, fuck your ancestors' struggles and your continuing efforts to achieve a level playing field

totally not a racist tho

[Ahldagor]

why bear the weight of history when you can cast it off? not as if changing how an event is viewed will change the current state of it or of its happening. how such a change is implemented towards the shaping of a future is a different matter. the woman's side of this is this is america and there are laws that protect people from the tyranny of a minority that screams as we as good americans plunder their culture. thus spoke taco bell.


the fact that this debate was on a cable channel and not on the locally syndicated six o'clock news says as much as anything in this whole thread

[Lojik]

Words have meanings, you can't just "insert your own" wherever you fucking feel like it..

Well you can, but then someone who knows better is going to know that you're a moron.

Hmmm... I wonder if two phrases that use completely different words can still infer the same thing.

[Daldolma]

Hmmm... I wonder if two phrases that use completely different words can still infer the same thing.

go meet girl and tell her you don't care about her mother

go meet other girl and tell her you don't judge her mother

report back on findings

[JurisDictum]

Words have meanings, you can't just "insert your own" wherever you fucking feel like it..

Well you can, but then someone who knows better is going to know that you're a moron.

Then some third person steps in and points out you are both idiots for debating semantics rather than the issue at hand.

[Kagatob]

go meet girl and tell her you don't care about her mother

go meet other girl and tell her you don't judge her mother

report back on findings

I'm dating the first girl but I'll let you know when I find the second one. :cool:

[Ahldagor]

Joking about rape is fine. Conducting rape should not be tolerated.

Living in a society where everyone is different can pose huge problems. Your average person is completely different from the average person next to them due to different experiences and perceptions on life and reality mostly thanks to social media.

We have the poor growing up with their broke families and when one is raised in such an environment the experiences and perceptions will be a whole lot different than someone who grows up in the opposite circumstances. Holding up convenience stores is now considered a family trade as the father teaches his son this is the only way they can make money and feed themselves trying to provide happiness to one another.

Their perceptions on good versus evil will now forever be different from yours. They consider the rich evil for not helping those that are weak and innocent. The rich will let that poor family starve and think nothing of it. Wealthy families have a warped perception of good and evil as well, considering a broke family trying to feed themselves and pursue happiness by holding up that convenience store are nothing but pure evil to them. According to the broke, the rich are nothing short of pure evil.

One day that rich and innocent beautiful 19 year old woman gets out of her 70,000 dollar vehicle wearing her tight pants and revealing shirt gets noticed by a poor, broke, and spirit ridden member of that impoverished family. What is simply noticed by the poor is the fact that not caring about anyone but yourself is the road to riches. If wealth is recognized as evil then what is going to stop the desperate from taking action.

As most of us live in society we realize that everything is insured to the fullest by the rich communities and the insurance companies, so losing it doesn't necessarily effect the greater picture as her expensive vehicle is stolen from her by force. Perhaps she is held hostage for no other reason than being 'evil' and needing to be punished by the desperate who can't get a break.

One doesn't have to take a life in order to send a message to the rest of the wealthy community that doesn't seem to care about those that are 'beneath' them. Perhaps the choice is to rape and pillage while continuing to live and let live by not brutally beating that beautiful innocent rich girl or slaying. While the rape is a horrible disaster and tragedy to society, it was simply nothing more than those that are desperate with their perceptions of good versus evil fighting the good fight. In a sense it sends a strong message to what is clearly wrong with our society as some think each society can be judged based on the type of criminals in their prisons.

It might not be the good fight to you or to me but it is to them. At least she will live and continue to reap the riches she was born into and continue to neglect the weak and innocent that she could clearly help for she will live on long after said rape. While that particular family might not ever see the big picture, perhaps according to the rapist it should have sent a strong message to the rest of the community, at least in the impoverished mind.

This type of example would just be one of many. There are people of course who are not impoverished and simply have a mental instability that brings them to conduct such rape acts which inevitably evolves into something more disastrous like murder. Such people seem to be a lot more rare. Violence stems from the desperate trying to take what they want since working for it gets them no where. Unless you are born into a family that provides you vehicular transport and pays for your education, the chances of success are extremely thin even when you factor in such things as financial aid.

Without that success and surplus of money your average person isn't going to land a girlfriend to fulfill their erotic desires. Looks will get you laid and money will get you a girlfriend. Deprived of looks and of money leaves you with very little choice in the matter if you so do choose to take what you desire regardless of human decency.

Philosophers will argue whether not good and evil truly do exist. In theory it makes perfect sense as most are educated into understanding that nothing can exist without its opposite. With the amount of variety religion seems to take forms of it's not too hard to believe the wayward perceptions that people can grow into.

That is what is so unique about human life. Just like the variety and randomness of facial features, voices, writing style, finger prints, flow of thought is going to be just as much of variety and random as everything else. Although random doesn't seem to be the right word as science is explaining that genetics make up for most. People do have a tendency to be random though that's for sure.

Drugs can play a huge role in this type of situation. But the fact of the matter is that most resort to drugs to escape their pathetic reality for whatever reason that may. While the rich and wealthy have their fair share in drug usage one could argue that those particular individuals aren't resorting to violence at every turn of a withdraw or bad deal. The wealthy take peace in the fact that they'll be just fine without it as they are supported by the large sum of money in their parents banks. No such peace for the impoverished. They'll kill you over 10 dollars and they have good reason.

In regards to joking about rape, ths is something completely different in every way. Humor is where the brain goes to tickle itself. Just like the many sexual erotic desires of human nature their humor plays the same role of variety in the world of consciousness. When it comes down to jokes and humor there are no boundaries nor should there be. Putting boundaries on anything prevents the potential for greatness. Evil has no boundaries so why should good.

In a world where evil seems to be winning good cannot afford to pull its punches. People generally believe in the energies of good and evil and will conclude that good energy will overcome evil energy at every level. If this is true, placing boundaries on good is a huge mistake. Good must ignore the law, the government, even popular demand and simply only do what is right. Boundaries of such things will only leave the door open to evil to triumph for, once again, evil has no boundaries.

Now joking about humor can be considered an evil energy to some. It would be easy to conduct such a debate. However, one could suggest that laughter cannot in any way be evil. Now that can easily bring us to a paradox as those that conduct rapes will laugh about it amongst their evil rapist friends. To the brain, laughter is good. Humor, no matter where you find it, has been proven to provide great benefits to the human brain and body. And this is where I personally get confused because it's hard to give an example of humor in the animal kingdom.

No, hyenas are not laughing in the same sense that humans conduct humor. I've never heard of animals raping each other. Seems, according to the nature channels one ganders at, that if the female says no and strikes with force, then it is simply not going to happen. You won't see the male lion beat the shit out of the lioness until she succumbs and then take turns with the rest of the brethren.

Joking about rape is fine. It's a paradox. Humor is where the brain goes to tickle itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_coercion

[Daldolma]

read first 6 words before ignoring user

[Ahldagor]

and you ramble on and on and on and on, jesus didn't even talk this much on the cross man

[Kagatob]

I've never heard of animals raping each other.

http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/biology/news-duck-penis-size-depends-competition?image=0
Idiot.

[Kagatob]

If you research how bedbugs reproduce you'll probably shit yourself.

[Rhambuk]

All bedbugs mate via a process termed traumatic insemination. Instead of inserting their genitalia into the female's reproductive tract as is typical in copulation, males instead pierce females with hypodermic genitalia and ejaculate into the body cavity

ducks were more interesting in my opinion

[Millburn]

Duck rape is no joke man...I've got a canal in my backyard where seasonal gay duck orgies happen non stop. It's disturbing. The little bastards are worse than rabbits.

[Kagatob]

Once again you won't see animals literally beating the crap out of each other to the point of unconsciousness then proceeding to 'rape' the corpse. Doesn't happen. Ever. What you are witnessing and what is proposed are different measures of courtship.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/09/sex-depravity-penguins-scott-antarctic
"The pamphlet, declined for publication with the official Scott expedition reports, commented on the frequency of sexual activity, auto-erotic behaviour, and seemingly aberrant behaviour of young unpaired males and females, including necrophilia, sexual coercion, sexual and physical abuse of chicks and homosexual behaviour," states the analysis written by Russell and colleagues William Sladen and David Ainley. "His observations were, however, accurate, valid and, with the benefit of hindsight, deserving of publication."

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[Kagatob]

Once again you won't see animals literally beating the crap out of each other to the point of unconsciousness then proceeding to 'rape' the corpse. Doesn't happen. Ever. What you are witnessing and what is proposed are different measures of courtship.

Say you are right. If this was the nature of animals on a constant basis then nothing would reproduce and survive.

Just stop posting.

The evolutionary process depends on the dominant male winning the 'courtship' of the female. It is the same reason that 99% of the P99 population has yet to touch a girl. None of you are 'evolutionary fit' to any female in your lives. This is why, much like the homosexuals of early 1900's, must resort to justifying 'rape' by exaggerated and opinionated examples in nature.

...you really should of stopped while you were simply behind, now you're lost.

[Toodles]

Watch your own video again and actually figure out what the guy was actually defending.


It's not about "supporting rape jokes" it's about supporting freedom of speech and a comedians right to talk about whatever the fuck he or she wants to and while double standards.

You do realize that comedy is funny because it's always as someone's expense, that's kind of the essence of the whole idea. If you start to censor comedians and tell them what they can and cannot say in a vacuum, you're opening up an entire can of worms that nobody wants opened.

For crying out loud, I'm an animal activist and even I chuckled a bit the first time that I heard someone say "A seal walks into a club.". It's comedy, the only thing it promotes and perpetuates is laughter, if you believe otherwise then you would agree with the universal disbanding of all art and entertainment forms because you can argue the exact same BS about music, print, video, games, etc..

While I agree with your sentiment (to some extent) about the use of freedom of speech - how would you feel or react if the subject was concerning animals?

Animal activists often tend to be loonies these days, who want to hurt other humans for 'hurting' animals.

I often wonder how I can listen or believe in someone who would put the well being of a Macaw before that of a child.

[Kagatob]

Animal activists often tend to be loonies these days, who want to hurt other humans for 'hurting' animals.

I often wonder how I can listen or believe in someone who would put the well being of a Macaw before that of a child.

That's another jump though, you go from the idea of wanting to hurt humans that hurt animals to the idea of choosing an animal over a child (assuming the child wasn't the one hurting the animals).

Two very different things.

Go look up some videos of the Japanese dolphin industry and watch some asshole slit the throats of those creatures for a while and tell me you wouldn't want to slit his throat. :)

[Kagatob]

^ Because rape is worse than murder. :rolleyes:

[Kagatob]

^ Detraction failed.

[Kagatob]

^ Intelligence absent.

Projection detected.

[Toodles]

That's another jump though, you go from the idea of wanting to hurt humans that hurt animals to the idea of choosing an animal over a child (assuming the child wasn't the one hurting the animals).

Two very different things.

Not to Ted Nugent they aren't - or any hunters for that matter that get letters daily saying their children will be raped and mutilated because he -in effect- killed Bambi.

Or 'activists' who blow up research centers that are finding cures for fatal infant diseases, by testing on rats.


Go look up some videos of the Japanese dolphin industry and watch some asshole slit the throats of those creatures for a while and tell me you wouldn't want to slit his throat. :)

You brought up your involvement with activism as if that was some credential, and I failed to see why.

[Kagatob]

Oh I see, you think all animal activists = eco-terrorists.

They don't.

[Hasbinbad]

Hmmm... I wonder if two phrases that use completely different words can still infer the same thing.
Infer is the wrong word here.

But to answer your question, no they can't. Synonyms mean similar, but not identical things.

[Hasbinbad]

You imply something, I infer things from it.

[radditsu]

rape jokes are funny

[rendart]

http://motivationfail.com/wp-content/uploads/obamahillaryclintonrapeddemotivational.jpg

[Bohab]

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Pro defense

[Kagatob]

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Pro defense

Lol. Even the faux news audience was laughing.

[Pico]

holy shit i cant believe how literally dum kagatob is, this will be only time i ever thank useless hbb for creating a thread so i could see daldolma lay it on that poor moran's arguments

there is no way he is any older than 15 years old or else he is extremely emotionally and mentally stunted

[mostbitter]

heres my impersonation of a prematurely ejaculating rapist:


I'm gonna get youuuuughghh nevermind

[Kagatob]

holy shit i cant believe how literally dum kagatob is, this will be only time i ever thank useless hbb for creating a thread so i could see daldolma lay it on that poor moran's arguments

there is no way he is any older than 15 years old or else he is extremely emotionally and mentally stunted
It's fitting that someone who can't use basic capitalization or properly spell the word 'moron' would believe that someone (Daldolma) who's argument amounts to 'hurr durr you're wrong I win' has 'layed' anything 'on' anyone.
heres my impersonation of a prematurely ejaculating rapist:


I'm gonna get youuuuughghh nevermind

That's a prematurely ejaculating anybody. :p