goodbye 2nd. ammendment

[Black Jesus]

If there is just one lesson we are to learn from history, it is that an armed people are a free people, and that tyrants begin their rule by disarming their subjects. Gun control is the first step from citizenry to slavery. This is the unavoidable lesson of history.

Adolf Hitler disarmed the Jews. The communists disarmed the capitalists. The Redcoats tried to disarm the Americans. The Mexicans tried to disarm the Texans before the Alamo. The Persians tried to disarm the Spartans.

In each scenario, there were only two outcomes: the people resisted and stayed free, or the people turned in their arms and became slaves. This is not debatable or negotiable. This is historical fact. Disarmed people are just peasants.

Imagine what the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto uprising would have done for the ability to have simply been well armed with rifles and handguns. Instead, they were forced to fight with a handful of guns and homemade weapons. Since the Jews were systematically disarmed in 1938, they were essentially powerless.

Around the same time as this disarmament, Hitler loosened gun laws for “Aryan” Germans. It’s not the guns that were the problem… it was who owned them. That’s why anyone who says “only police and military should own guns” is essentially ignoring history. If you want anyone to become a slave, just take away his ability to fight back or stop you — instant slavery.

“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so. Indeed I would go so far as to say that the underdog is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty.”

This story repeats throughout history over and over. Tyranny requires the victims to be disarmed. Not necessarily everyone — just the victims. That’s why the Jews in Germany, the slaves in the Old South, and essentially all citizens in communist countries were disarmed. They were no longer free.

[Rellapse10]

HBB better not ever post in a gun thread the fool thinks BBguns are shotguns...

[Rhambuk]

I'm not too worried about it. but id die before slavery...

[Rellapse10]

the south will rise again

[Black Jesus]

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[Rhambuk]

Now there are some sore losers.

[citizen1080]

Everytime I see some douchebag with a confederate flag sticker on the truck makes me wish we had neutered the losers at the end of the war. The gene pool would be in much better shape.

No offense to offspring of said unneutered people

[Rellapse10]

Everytime I see some douchebag with a confederate flag sticker on the truck makes me wish we had neutered the losers at the end of the war. The gene pool would be in much better shape.

No offense to offspring of said unneutered people

ya def need more people like hasbinbad and dredge in the world

[Rhambuk]

ya def need more people like hasbinbad and dredge in the world

better than others around here...

[Rellapse10]

need 20 million more of these women and 20 million less beautiful southern women<object width="560" height="315"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/e99AhG4dCgI?version=3&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/e99AhG4dCgI?version=3&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="560" height="315" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>

[Black Jesus]

3 S's: shoot, shovel, shutup

[Rhambuk]

Honestly I'm anti guns, you wont find many of us here in maine, I'm just a pacifist at heart. The only thing you need a gun for is to protect yourself from someone else who has a gun. My friend has thousands of dollars worth of guns and ammunition and when i ask him what for he says target practice. That's cool, then he goes on to tell me its to protect himself and his family when the government turns on us....

if you want a gun for protection thats cool, handguns and some rifles, there is NO need for ANY civilian to own an assault rifle. If you claim target practice for fun, get fucking real.

[Black Jesus]

If an assailant breaks into your house with a knife or is just a big burly fucking drunk dude molesting your daughter, you're gonna need a gun.

Assault weapon is probably the best weapon you can give a woman. It is far more accurate and easier to control than a handgun.

[Black Jesus]

Also classifying them as assault weapons does not make them deadlier. The exit wound from an AR-15 with a NATO full metal jacket round is going to be the width of a pencil, very clean. A .50 cal hollow point hunting rifle round will completely obliterate center mass severing a body in half.

[Rhambuk]

I don't live in an area where there are murdering rapists.

[Black Jesus]

by width i mean circumference

[Rhambuk]

my mention of assault rifles i was probably thinking more like automatic/semiautomatic weapons, if you shoot someone 1 bullet should be enough you dont need to spray in a 90degree arc in front of you

[Black Jesus]

I don't live in an area where there are murdering rapists.

http://conversationsofchange.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/head_in_the_sand-461x307.jpg

[citizen1080]

If an assailant breaks into your house with a knife or is just a big burly fucking drunk dude molesting your daughter, you're gonna need a gun.

Assault weapon is probably the best weapon you can give a woman. It is far more accurate and easier to control than a handgun.

If by Assault weapon you mean

http://www.keltecweapons.com/uploaded_files/tinymce/images/KSG_3357web.jpg

Then yes, you are correct. Nothing beats a shotgun for home defense.

On a side note..along with 10 various guns, i have wasp spray in every room. Pin point accuraccy out to 20+ feet. Great home defense.

[Rhambuk]

lol not everyone is out to get you man, there are good people in the world and believe it or not we tend to come together. It also helps that there isnt a house within 6 miles of our property...

[Rhambuk]

On a side note..along with 10 various guns, i have wasp spray in every room. Pin point accuraccy out to 20+ feet. Great home defense.

Perfect, fuckin perfect. unless the other guy has a gun, you win and dont have to murder someone

[Black Jesus]

That shotgun would probably be classified as an assault weapon because it has the liberal-defined "evil features".

I'd give my woman a rifle over a shotgun variant to hold down the nest anyday, because of what I said about easier to control and more accurate. Buck shot will go through drywall and bird shot is going to make a mess.

[Rhambuk]

That shotgun would probably be classified as an assault weapon because it has the liberal-defined "evil features".

I'd give my woman a rifle over a shotgun variant to hold down the nest anyday, because of what I said about easier to control and more accurate. Buck shot will go through drywall and bird shot is going to make a mess.

and dislocate her shoulder

[Rellapse10]

and dislocate her shoulder

lol no

[Black Jesus]

The recoil of an AR is almost negligible even compared to a 20 guage

[Rhambuk]

not from the ar, from a shotgun

[Csihar]

slavery

my woman

[Rhambuk]

You wouldn't say My wife or My girlfriend My significant other.

This woman here, I am married to her.

[Black Jesus]

[...] all men are created equal [...]

[Rhambuk]

I think I love you more everday black jesus.

Also Fact: Jesus was Black.

[Black Jesus]

I dunno where the fuck you're from, but women love being refered to as objects. That's why My Girl was one of the greatest chick flicks ever made

[citizen1080]

Just so we are on same page..you are saying you are going to give a automatic assault rifle to a scared woman inside of a home over a shotgun?

Never mind that the rifle not only has to be aimed but will climb as they pull the trigger due to lack of training. Or that the bullets she misses with are going to travel much farther.

Point that shotgun down a hallway..or into a room..and its over...no aiming required..no skill required. She can shake and wobble all she wants and still get it done. That is what makes a good home defense weapon.

Personally I consider myself a good shot with most gun types...but if there is someone prowling in my house uninvited, im going to respond with overpowering force the first time, and make sure they stay down. For that, a shotgun is a no brainer imo.

[Black Jesus]

The definition of assault weapon gets so warped. I would give her a semi-auto.

Point that shotgun down a hallway..or into a room..and its over...no aiming required..no skill required. She can shake and wobble all she wants and still get it done. That is what makes a good home defense weapon.

The reason that a shotgun can fill a room (bird shot) is why I have reservations. Especially when you wake up to your daughter screaming cuz Chester the Molester broke into her window, or the family dog is going fucking crazy on someone in your kitchen.

[Rellapse10]

no one in this thread has a automatic weapon

[Black Jesus]

I know FFL who have class 3 licenses

[Rellapse10]

what is FFL? yea i know a couple people who have the correct permits but the process to get them is a pain. That is why i doubt anyone in this thread has the correct license to carry them.

[citizen1080]

no one in this thread has a automatic weapon

I live in Idaho, we can own just about anything short of rocket launchers.

[Rellapse10]

I live in Idaho, we can own just about anything short of rocket launchers.

wow i need to move there.

"Idaho and 39 other states permit ownership of machine guns by non-dealer civilians. While some states have various prohibitions or restrictions, Idaho does not.

Within the 40 states permitting machine gun ownership, there are cities and towns which have various local prohibitions or restrictions. As of 1998, Idaho has no such local restrictions or prohibitions."

[Black Jesus]

what is FFL? yea i know a couple people who have the correct permits but the process to get them is a pain. That is why i doubt anyone in this thread has the correct license to carry them.

licensed dealers. I'm not 100% sure but they've told me something like once you're licensed to open your own shop you can deal in class 3 weapons because they come through you when people sell/transfer

[Black Jesus]

wow i need to move there.

"Idaho and 39 other states permit ownership of machine guns by non-dealer civilians. While some states have various prohibitions or restrictions, Idaho does not.

Within the 40 states permitting machine gun ownership, there are cities and towns which have various local prohibitions or restrictions. As of 1998, Idaho has no such local restrictions or prohibitions."

Utah, Arizona, and Alaska are the only states that the Brady campaign has given 0/100 score to. Idaho did get a 2 though!

http://www.bradycampaign.me/sites/default/files/2011_Brady_Campaign_State_Scorecard_Rankings.pdf

[Black Jesus]

Look at my socialist fucking state leading the list.

They wouldn't even let you put a stock+pistol grip on a shotgun til about a year ago. Like making deadly weapon harder to control and easier to conceal makes it any better

[citizen1080]

The definition of assault weapon gets so warped. I would give her a semi-auto.



The reason that a shotgun can fill a room (bird shot) is why I have reservations. Especially when you wake up to your daughter screaming cuz Chester the Molester broke into her window, or the family dog is going fucking crazy on someone in your kitchen.

Valid point, but in either case I wouldnt trust my wife or quite possibly myself to shoot any type of gun in those scenerios. Thats where the wasp spray coming into play...and or my switchblade (also legal in idaho).

[Rellapse10]

one of my bestfriends had a AR coverted it to full auto got caught and spent 2 yrs in federal prison.. old man i use to work with has license to make firearms he was a dealer, he had a damn arsenal.

[Rellapse10]

thanks for the lesson tho i just figured all states required a permit for full auto

[Black Jesus]

they outlawed slidefire stocks like day 1 in CA too

[Rellapse10]

they outlawed slidefire stocks like day 1 in CA too

lol dang

[Rellapse10]

California: Legislators are considering what supporters call the LIFE Act, which includes 10 proposals that would stiffen the state’s already-aggressive gun laws and make the Golden State the least gun-friendly state in the nation.

One proposal would strengthen the state’s assault weapons bans by banning any semi-automatic rifle that accepts detachable magazines. Other proposals include an expansion of the state’s firearm record-keeping system, a ban on the sale and possession of ammunition magazines holding more than 10 rounds, a ban on bulk purchases of ammunition, and a requirement that people obtain a permit to purchase ammunition.

Bottom line: California already has the strictest gun laws in the nation. If passed, these proposals would make the state’s laws even stricter.

[Rhambuk]

California already has the strictest gun laws in the nation. If passed, these proposals would make the state’s laws even stricter.

Good make it national.

I'm just askin for hate :p

[Black Jesus]

I know that "assault rifles" can't have detachable mags (need a bullet button), extending it to all rifles is just as pointless. Literally same amount of effort to reload, and people just put magnets over the button (I dunno if its legal but you can see it a lot at the ranges).

I was already under the impression rounds over 10 mags were banned unless you got grandfathered. A ban on bulk ammunition is kind of dumb, when we went to boy scout camp I imagine they had to order up a ton of fucking ammo for us each summer.

A permit to purchase ammunition? The fuck??

[radditsu]

wow i need to move there.

Its Utah, bro. Utah.

Say what you want about the great state of Alabama, but at least its not Utah.

I think Alabama is plenty open with the gun legislation we have now...which is like zero.

When you can go to the Abba Shrine three times a year and buy things that are damn near assault rifles and thousands of rounds of ammunition, you are good. Went with a friend one time and he bought THREE desert eagles. One for his momma, one for his daddy, and one for him. I am pretty sure they cleared the woods behind his house with those mother fuckers. They would mix a drink, set a target, and go to fucking town.

[Rellapse10]

yea AL gun laws are pretty laid back, i am happy.

[Rellapse10]

those mormons always intrigued me tho having 10 wives could be fun

[citizen1080]

California: Legislators are considering what supporters call the LIFE Act, which includes 10 proposals that would stiffen the state’s already-aggressive gun laws and make the Golden State the least gun-friendly state in the nation.

One proposal would strengthen the state’s assault weapons bans by banning any semi-automatic rifle that accepts detachable magazines. Other proposals include an expansion of the state’s firearm record-keeping system, a ban on the sale and possession of ammunition magazines holding more than 10 rounds, a ban on bulk purchases of ammunition, and a requirement that people obtain a permit to purchase ammunition.

Bottom line: California already has the strictest gun laws in the nation. If passed, these proposals would make the state’s laws even stricter.

The only time living in CA was worth a shit was when 6 shooters were the standard. Apparently they think if they go back to that all their problems will go away.

[getsome]

Print your own gun in the privacy of your home.

http://defcad.org/

http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/06/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-liberator-3d-printed-pistol/

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=drPz6n6UXQY

[Autotune]

Shotguns are great for home defense if you live alone and aren't worried about your possessions getting fucked up.

a good pistol with a strobe flashlight attachment and some monthly training > all else.

[Black Jesus]

Print your own gun in the privacy of your home.

http://defcad.org/

http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/06/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-liberator-3d-printed-pistol/

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=drPz6n6UXQY

the physics department at my university just bought a 3D printer! and it's a nice ass one funded by government grant money. they're using it to manufacture oil/electric hybrid engine parts, not guns tho

[Rellapse10]

wtf that is awesome

[Black Jesus]

if it didnt take 5 years to print an AR lower I'd sneak on that bitch

[Rellapse10]

lolol

[Black Jesus]

yea but it still has to paint like 9000 layers and guns and schools dont match these days. most people there probably wouldn't know a muzzle from a butt plate tho

[citizen1080]

Print your own gun in the privacy of your home.

http://defcad.org/

http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/06/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-liberator-3d-printed-pistol/

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=drPz6n6UXQY

Im working on a patent for a snowboard invention...and I have been using 3D printing to produce some prototypes from my cad drawing...pretty amazing shit.

[Turp_SmokinPurp]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRwGAt6dSps

[Clark]

the south will rise again

:cool:

[OMGWTF420]

you spelled amendment wrong, lol retard

[Hitchens]

http://i.imgur.com/vT8sv4L.jpg

[Rhambuk]

those are some nasty stretch marks

[radditsu]

those are some nasty stretch marks

Put 20-30 Lbs of amiotic fluid and baby in your body and see how well you deal with it.

[Rhambuk]

Put 20-30 Lbs of amiotic fluid and baby in your body and see how well you deal with it.

Noooo thank you, got lucky recieving that Y 28 years ago theres no way in hell im giving it up for that!