Disappointed Cleric

[Minluan]

My partner and I joined the P99 community in November 2010, myself leveling 2 characters over 50 and my partner 3 characters. My main is a level 60 Cleric - Elixa of Europa, and my wife plays a Level 60 Mage - Natcha of Europa.

Today (1st March 2013) I logged into EQ and was happy to see that my long time friend and guildy Slozem was planning to check for ragefire in Solb. To my surprise he was up and we proceeded to move to Solb, meeting some Divinty members along the way who were happy to help me attempt the final part of my epic. We planned to share any other loot between our 2 guilds <Europa> and <Divinity>.

We were un-contested and cleared all the fire giants to the lair, we killed the Magi Rokyl and had 2 remaining giants in camp. I got a couple of tells quite quickly saying that I needed to hand in the pearl asap as TMO were coming to try and leap frog us. To that I ran to the human form of ragefire with my pearl in hand, tried to click on him to open the trade window, but was already beaten by Hakata and his faster handing in of the pearl. Ragefire started attacking me, I backed away and Hakata pulled him to the stealthfully formed TMO camp.

We watched for some time as ragefire was trioed by Zagum, Hakata and a TMO cleric (I forget her name). No doubt this heart which has been obtained today will be added to the collection of hearts being sold in this thread: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=96614

Anyway, I find that currently this "community" of players that I am now gaming with leaving a bitter taste in my mouth when I logged off today. I have not been able to obtain my epic for a year now, I have not payed or given anything in return for each of my epic stages apart from my desire to help others complete quests or goals within this game. I am sure you can probably understand my disappointment when I am denied at the very last point of my epic quest to 3 people attempting to amass a horde of platinum.

I understand the rules of this server, and that these are needed to keep a large grey area opening up in guild disputes at the end game. Unfortunately I also remember a time when clearing nearly every fire giant with 3 groups of players and with a cleric hoping for the last mob in their epic quest would be a quite plain statement of intentions, any other group or guild respecting the mobilisation of those people who had logged in specifically to help.

What could be done about this? I am really not sure. But I thought you should know that on this great project and achievement in gaming that some cleaver people have created, moderate and administrate – populated by people who share the same love for this project there are players that treat others in this manner.

I think that if this type of community continues as it is, then we will be producing an environment that is not conducive to maintaining and growing new and good hearted players.

Thank you for taking the time to read this post.

Elixa <Europa>

[feanan]

Sorry to hear about your epic. That sucks.

You appear to have been on the server long enough to know there is a certain toxic percentage of the population playing
who don't give two shits about anyone but themselves.

That said, there are also many very wonderful and helpful people here also. Sadly, most of those type of people stop playing
when they get close to 60 and figure out there is nothing to do at the high level, unless you want to deal with all the bullshit.

Wouldn't see so many duo/trio killings of stuff if they'd go ahead and nerf donals bp now.

[Lanuven]

We were un-contested and cleared all the fire giants to the lair, we killed the Magi Rokyl and had 2 remaining giants in camp. I got a couple of tells quite quickly saying that I needed to hand in the pearl asap as TMO were coming to try and leap frog us. To that I ran to the human form of ragefire with my pearl in hand, tried to click on him to open the trade window, but was already beaten by Hakata and his faster handing in of the pearl. Ragefire started attacking me, I backed away and Hakata pulled him to the stealthfully formed TMO camp.


Elixa <Europa>

This paragraph sums up TMO as a whole. Since it is not posted in the rules anywhere that leapfrogging is against the rules, they see it as an open policy to be complete and total douchebags to the rest of the server. Zagum is not a bad guy, but when there is loot involved and pixels to be had, he does not care about anyone but himself.

These are the type of people that ruin the server for people who are not here to try and "Win" at something that was beat years ago, but are here to have fun and play for nostalgic reasons. Until someone see's that it ruins it for the majority of the server, nothing will be done.

[Tecmos Deception]

Sorry to hear about your epic. That sucks.

You appear to have been on the server long enough to know there is a certain toxic percentage of the population playing
who don't give two shits about anyone but themselves.

That said, there are also many very wonderful and helpful people here also. Sadly, most of those type of people stop playing
when they get close to 60 and figure out there is nothing to do at the high level, unless you want to deal with all the bullshit.

Wouldn't see so many duo/trio killings of stuff if they'd go ahead and nerf donals bp now.

Yes what happened to the OP sucks, but other than that your post is awfully lol-worthy.



Hey OP - did you try talking to the TMO trio at all?

[Lanuven]

Yes what happened to the OP sucks, but other than that your post is awfully lol-worthy.



Hey OP - did you try talking to the TMO trio at all?

There is no talking to them. If they are there with pearl first they see it as competition and they don't know what "Play Nice" means. God forbid they let Europa get a ragefire kill for an epic. Or even give him the heart out of good will. But that would take away plat from their banks, so no way in hell would that happen.

[maverixdamighty]

Sorry to hear this. If you really want to get an epic I would suggest leaving a character logged out in front of naggy's lair and next time he pops he should be pretty simple for you to get. If it's the weekend and I'm on feel free to shoot me a tell for help.

[falkun]

Doubt OP even realized TMO was in zone and sniping him until it was too late by the sounds of it.

I have to agree with both Tecmos and the OP:
It was silly to not think someone would attempt to snipe Ragefire, but its also silly that people are so motivated by pixels to be douchebags on a 14yo elf simulator.

My suggestion to the OP is to keep attempting RF, but be more cognizant of snipers. If you see someone pop in zone while you are clearing to RF, send them a quick /t asking what their intentions are. Sometimes an open line of communication can save headaches on both sides. Not saying you won't get screwed again, but I doubt Zagum appreciates this negative press.

[Ciel]

Aren't Zagum and Hakata the same person? .......

[Lanuven]

Aren't Zagum and Hakata the same person? .......

That's his char yes.

[zanderklocke]

That's his char yes.

Zagum has his friend log into Hakata if his friend's warrior is not in the lair. I know this for a fact because I have trioed Ragefire with Zagum about 6 times. I'm not going to name who Zagum's friend is because I'm not sure he desires to be brought into this discussion.

I think Zagum is actually pretty reasonable, and I think if you had a force actually present in the lair ready to go, he might back down. I know that when Zagum, Zagum's friend, and I would camp Ragefire, we backed down when Full Circle had a raid force present. However, the next night, Full Circle was there again, so we asked if we could have Ragefire that night. They said no, so it was a poopsock fest, and Ragefire probably was punishing everyone and never spawned over a 12 hour time frame that night.

However, Ragefire is heavily contested, so if you don't have a force actually in the lair ready to hand in pearl, I don't see Zagum stepping down. I do know that Zagum does not do Ragefire during the work days from like 10:00 AM-9:00 PM EST.

My advice is talk to Zagum to see if you can work something out, have a raid force ready to poopsock in the lair, and hope that Ragefire spawns. I have seen Forceful Entry, Rapture, TMO, BDA, A-Team, and Full Circle all race to get FTE. Ragefire is just one of those spawns that everyone wants due to the awesome loot he has.

[Tecmos Deception]

There is no talking to them. If they are there with pearl first they see it as competition and they don't know what "Play Nice" means. God forbid they let Europa get a ragefire kill for an epic. Or even give him the heart out of good will. But that would take away plat from their banks, so no way in hell would that happen.

PNP or not, it's not realistic to expect people to go out of their way to be selfless every time someone else needs/wants something. There's two sides to every story, we're only hearing one side of things here, everyone loves to pile on and point fingers at the evil machine on the forums, etc etc.

No one is yelling at you that there are poor noobs getting killed in crushbone right now but you're trying to sell your druid instead of going to cb and spending all of your free time helping them. Why are you yelling at Zagum and co for doing what amounts to the same thing (i.e. doing what they want to do instead of trying (and failing) to do what everyone else wants them to do)?

[Lyra]

Lyra there are lots of legitimate things to complain about regarding the raid scene, but the state of the cleric epic is not one of them. I guarantee you if you join any high-level guild, even a casual one, you'll have your epic before you hit 55.

[Lanuven]

PNP or not, it's not realistic to expect people to go out of their way to be selfless every time someone else needs/wants something. There's two sides to every story, we're only hearing one side of things here, everyone loves to pile on and point fingers at the evil machine on the forums, etc etc.

No one is yelling at you that there are poor noobs getting killed in crushbone right now but you're too busy trying to sell your druid to go spend all of your free time helping them. Why are you yelling at Zagum and co for doing what amounts to the same thing (i.e. doing what you want to do instead of trying (and failing) to do what everyone else wants you to do)?

Besides the point, thats about the only thing I ever did on my druid. Was go to zones like Mistmoore and CB and buff groups while Afk. Thats not the point though.
What I'm trying to point out is that leapfrogging and general douchebaggery is allowed here. Ragefire spawned this morning at around 7am and was uncontested. Divinity being in lair did not have enough people to take it alone, so we offered our assistance to Europa by helping clear giants and what'not.

Theres really no other side of the story, other than, "We (tmo) was here first and we dont care that your are clearing giants, as long as we turn in first its ours. The big deal here is they are doing it for MQ sales, and Europa was doing it for a player who didnt have epic. Spin all you want, the assholes already made their selves apparent in the 100 other times they have done this.

[fullmetalcoxman]

No one is yelling at you that there are poor noobs getting killed in crushbone right now but you're trying to sell your druid instead of going to cb and spending all of your free time helping them. Why are you yelling at Zagum and co for doing what amounts to the same thing (i.e. doing what they want to do instead of trying (and failing) to do what everyone else wants them to do)?

Wow, I've seen some terrible analogies, but that is pretty cringe worthy.

If Lan was running around CB leap frogging noob groups for Emp Crush I might be able to see it, but the scenario you've presented makes zero sense at all.

[Kika Maslyaka]

strange, I thought Donalds Bp was nerfed like 2 weeks after it firt dropped... And considering how long were been at Kunark expansions - it should have been nerfed a 2 years ago

[Itap]

strange, I thought Donalds Bp was nerfed like 2 weeks after it firt dropped... And considering how long were been at Kunark expansions - it should have been nerfed a 2 years ago

wasnt nerfed till post velious i believe

[DoucLangur]

Just a quick correction to the OP: We didn't kill Magus Rokyl, we were busy with the last two guards when the two "players" aforementioned logged into the lair and got Magus aggro upon logging in, killed him and were able to trigger Ragefire before we could.

I am not going to comment any further, as I am convinced that the likes of those "players" take their motivation directly out of the frustration they cause other players.

The whole incident motivated me to go out wakeboarding on the lake, to remind myself how unimportant a few pixels are :p

/Slozem

[Tecmos Deception]

Not much of a leapfrog if they logged in already in the lair (so it wasn't like they needed you to get rid of the fire giants before they could get in there) and they killed a mob with 3 (while you were many more than 3 it sounds like and only had 2 mobs to deal with) and STILL triggered RF before you did (even though you could have turned in pearl and had 20 minutes before you needed to kill the spawn).

I still think it was shitty what happened, but it was hardly a "OMFG TMO LIVES TO RUIN THE LIVES OF THE REST OF US" that so many forum-goers would like it to be.


I need a new forum name. Wonder if The Devil's Advocate is taken.

[Swish]

The casual player's plight is a difficult one, but there have been instances where TMO do help out the smaller guilds...I guess this instance wasn't one of those times.

I hope the OP tries again, I still need to do the Chardok Royals and Ragefire parts for mine - hoping I don't encounter too much drama :p

[Ele]

strange, I thought Donalds Bp was nerfed like 2 weeks after it firt dropped... And considering how long were been at Kunark expansions - it should have been nerfed a 2 years ago

Nerfed post Velious, several times. Servers were lucky to have 6 by the time Velious came out, some had none. This server has scores and scores with them being auctioned fairly regularly in the ECT.

[Lanuven]

Not much of a leapfrog if they logged in already in the lair (so it wasn't like they needed you to get rid of the fire giants before they could get in there) and they killed a mob with 3 (while you were many more than 3 it sounds like and only had 2 mobs to deal with) and STILL triggered RF before you did (even though you could have turned in pearl and had 20 minutes before you needed to kill the spawn).

I still think it was shitty what happened, but it was hardly a "OMFG TMO LIVES TO RUIN THE LIVES OF THE REST OF US" that so many forum-goers would like it to be.


I need a new forum name. Wonder if The Devil's Advocate is taken.

All I get from this now is that you would rather go to bat for TMO and defend their right to do asshat stuff. Rather than seeing a story on the server chat thanking TMO for giving them the shot to get a cleric epic complete, since they were already clearing to the lair.

Your fighting for the wrong team dude. Make the server a better, funner place to play. Rather than defend the rights of the people who make this server a dread to play on sometimes.

[bizzum]

Traked this Ragefire for 9+ hours between the two of us, and we happened to be camped in lair. Not sure what this is about :P I camped out up top too, so the term leapfrog is inappropriate! We just happened to log on right next to RF and be prepared! Anyways, whats done is done.

Grats Kazoruuk on your new epic~

[bizzum]

Wouldn't see so many duo/trio killings of stuff if they'd go ahead and nerf donals bp now.

Donal's is completely irrelevant to this. Duo'd it with a manastone and torpor. Just makes the fight go faster!

[Razdeline]

TMO is the scum of the server. They have been suspended more than any other guilds combined on p99. Needs to get disbanded. They will lie and say anything to make their case ^^ like the poster above.

[bizzum]

Where did I lie Visceral? Please point it out. :P

[Razdeline]

Visceral? lmfao

[Luchino]

On a side note: We do community service! We've helping at least a dozen clerics get their heart when they were camping RF alone. Regardless of guild tag.

[Razdeline]

On a side note: We do community service! We've helping at least a dozen clerics get their heart when they were camping RF alone. Regardless of guild tag.

Name said "Dozens of Clerics"

[bizzum]

Visceral? lmfao

My bad, hard to tell you apart, you are both beyond obnoxious.

[Razdeline]

Well looks like the TMO PR police are comming in, I better leave this thread before I'm overwhelmed by TLDR's

[Razdeline]

My bad, hard to tell you apart, you are both beyond obnoxious.

I'm sure that's what you told that Cleric too before you raped her RF turn in amirite?

[bizzum]

If that made sense I might respond. Sounds like something she would tell me!

[Skope]

On a side note: We do community service! We've helping at least a dozen clerics get their heart when they were camping RF alone. Regardless of guild tag.

*for a sizable fee*

You're right when you said, "What's done is done," but at least have the balls to man up and say "Tough shit, but I'm selling the MQ." Instead it's response like the one above.

Bunch of goddamn young Alartis over here.

[bizzum]

I wouldn't lie about something that petty. That MQ is actually going to a 51 cleric without any money exchanging hands. It's fairly obvious, though, that I do have some MQs for sale, so its not really a justification for anything.

Not a sizeable fee for what Luchino is talking about either. Agreeing to use their pearl so they can get their heart, we kill the mob and get a chance at droppables. Negotiation.

[Skope]

I wouldn't lie about something that petty. That MQ is actually going to a 51 cleric without any money exchanging hands. It's fairly obvious, though, that I do have some MQs for sale, so its not really a justification for anything.

Not a sizeable fee for what Luchino is talking about either. Agreeing to use their pearl so they can get their heart, we kill the mob and get a chance at droppables. Negotiation.

And picking out that single incident over the MQ's you have, though, is most certainly attempting to sway the public perspective.

It's about the loot and the $$. Nothing else. There's nothing wrong with that, but at least have the decency to admit that it is and move on.

[Razdeline]

And picking out that single incident over the MQ's you have, though, is most certainly attempting to sway the public perspective.

It's about the loot and the $$. Nothing else. There's nothing wrong with that, but at least have the decency to admit that it is and move on.

This. I agree with Skope, it is all about the money. But the peices of shit on the server are the people that dance around the truth, and try to act like they are not doing anything wrong. (Basic description of TMO)

[bizzum]

Oh well :P Yea, its a fun fight, and we can get rewarded too! Anyways, I am out, everybody can think what they want of me; can't have everybody like me.

[Tecmos Deception]

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[Skope]

This. I agree with Skope, it is all about the money. But the peices of shit on the server are the people that dance around the truth, and try to act like they are not doing anything wrong. (Basic description of TMO)

It isn't just TMO. In fact it's a lot of guilds that behave the same way and have since server's inception. There have been some Div members who've done it too, but we clamp down on that sort of behavior. It's just that TMO has a lot of members and some are attempting to be more vocal in denying it. Unfortunately the ones that do speak out can't collectively muster up more than a few brain cells.

This isn't about TMO, it's about asshattery. If you're going to be an asshat then just fess up and accept it. Dancing is for stars, not EQ'ers. We're all too fat to move anyway

[Lyra]

It has been a really really long time since I got my live cleric epic, so forgive me if I'm remembering incorrectly. After I fought my way into the spawn spot, I camped it waiting for the spawn. On a ledge? It was a very long camp. I lost sleep. I did have help.

It sounds like the OP cleric entered after the spawn, so couldn't call the camp.

You could start your "camp" now for the next spawn, right?

Be prepared for a long session waiting, and don't let TMO (other guilds also) bully you off the spawn.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

It has been a really really long time since I got my live cleric epic, so forgive me if I'm remembering incorrectly. After I fought my way into the spawn spot, I camped it waiting for the spawn. On a ledge? It was a very long camp. I lost sleep. I did have help.

It sounds like the OP cleric entered after the spawn, so couldn't call the camp.

You could start your "camp" now for the next spawn, right?

Who gets rage is determined by who turns in their pearl. If you have a decent size force you want to turn in your pearl while engaging rokyl, the 2 man teams will have a much harder time doing that, though not impossible. This guy was slow, clearly didn't understand that pearl = rage, and realizing that rage can drop upwards of 360k-ish in gear at any given kill. You don't fuck around with that kind of cash, you kill and go.

[Lanuven]

It has been a really really long time since I got my live cleric epic, so forgive me if I'm remembering incorrectly. After I fought my way into the spawn spot, I camped it waiting for the spawn. On a ledge? It was a very long camp. I lost sleep. I did have help.

It sounds like the OP cleric entered after the spawn, so couldn't call the camp.

You could start your "camp" now for the next spawn, right?

Its not technically seen that way here. If you afk for 5 mins and Rage spawns. Someone else could turn in before you and its their mob. This is the type of shit thats not against server rules and is accepted. In term we call that, being an asshat, or douchebaggery. There should be rules in place for something like this, but there isn't.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Mother fuck. How does one embed a youtube video again? pls halp. Keep failing :P

[Lyra]

So it's not recognized as a camp? That is confusing.

[Funkutron5000]

So it's not recognized as a camp? That is confusing.

Nope, it's considered a raid mob so FTE rules apply.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Triggered spawns:
Whoever hands their items into the ragefire human has triggered the encounter and their guild/raid force would receive the right to go first in that instance.

Young Lawyers Unite

[oldschooltrader]

As much as I love the aspect and classicness of MQing quests, this is beginning to get really stupid. Half of the servers problems w economy and people being "asshats" could b solved by disabling this. No more plat to b made, no more selfish pixel hoarding, game is played as it was intended.

I shutter to think what guilds will charge for Velious quest armor MQs.... makes me kinda hope Velious doesnt happen for another 2 years so there can b time for some of these selfish players get bored n latch to another game to squeeze the fun out of. No wonder MMOs implmented instances, everyone born in the 90s feel they are entitled to everything bc they were born with the internet on their crib.

[Triangle]

this sucks OP, im sorry this happened to you.

For the rest of you, no one is arguing whether this was against the rules or what the rules were or whether this was even a legit kill.

The issue is over whether Zagum and co were dickbags, and in this case they were, unquestionably.

[Socratic]

I think all you people complaining should go camp a rare spawn for me for 6+ hours, then when it spawns, I'll show up and try to kill it. Then once you beat me to it, I'll then make some thread crying about how mean you are for not just letting me have the mob... I mean... you only camped it for 6 hours... and I neeeeeddzzz it!

/lol

[Alarti0001]

My partner and I joined the P99 community in November 2010, myself leveling 2 characters over 50 and my partner 3 characters. My main is a level 60 Cleric - Elixa of Europa, and my wife plays a Level 60 Mage - Natcha of Europa.

Today (1st March 2013) I logged into EQ and was happy to see that my long time friend and guildy Slozem was planning to check for ragefire in Solb. To my surprise he was up and we proceeded to move to Solb, meeting some Divinty members along the way who were happy to help me attempt the final part of my epic. We planned to share any other loot between our 2 guilds <Europa> and <Divinity>.

We were un-contested and cleared all the fire giants to the lair, we killed the Magi Rokyl and had 2 remaining giants in camp. I got a couple of tells quite quickly saying that I needed to hand in the pearl asap as TMO were coming to try and leap frog us. To that I ran to the human form of ragefire with my pearl in hand, tried to click on him to open the trade window, but was already beaten by Hakata and his faster handing in of the pearl. Ragefire started attacking me, I backed away and Hakata pulled him to the stealthfully formed TMO camp.

We watched for some time as ragefire was trioed by Zagum, Hakata and a TMO cleric (I forget her name). No doubt this heart which has been obtained today will be added to the collection of hearts being sold in this thread: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=96614

Anyway, I find that currently this "community" of players that I am now gaming with leaving a bitter taste in my mouth when I logged off today. I have not been able to obtain my epic for a year now, I have not payed or given anything in return for each of my epic stages apart from my desire to help others complete quests or goals within this game. I am sure you can probably understand my disappointment when I am denied at the very last point of my epic quest to 3 people attempting to amass a horde of platinum.

I understand the rules of this server, and that these are needed to keep a large grey area opening up in guild disputes at the end game. Unfortunately I also remember a time when clearing nearly every fire giant with 3 groups of players and with a cleric hoping for the last mob in their epic quest would be a quite plain statement of intentions, any other group or guild respecting the mobilisation of those people who had logged in specifically to help.

What could be done about this? I am really not sure. But I thought you should know that on this great project and achievement in gaming that some cleaver people have created, moderate and administrate – populated by people who share the same love for this project there are players that treat others in this manner.

I think that if this type of community continues as it is, then we will be producing an environment that is not conducive to maintaining and growing new and good hearted players.

Thank you for taking the time to read this post.

Elixa <Europa>

Traked this Ragefire for 9+ hours between the two of us, and we happened to be camped in lair. Not sure what this is about :P I camped out up top too, so the term leapfrog is inappropriate! We just happened to log on right next to RF and be prepared! Anyways, whats done is done.

Grats Kazoruuk on your new epic~


I am lost
@OP how many hours of your time did you invest into this ragefire? Did you expect to just walk into SolB and get this kill anytime you wanted to?

You think you somehow deserve this kill over Zagum and crew because you feel you are more deserving in some way? How do you come to this conclusion?

[Zeelot]

They spent hours tracking ragefire... Clearing the giants is entirely separate from ragefire. They were tracking it from the lair, already there and ready.

I don't see how one person is more entitled than the next in such a scenario. Sounds to me like both were tracking, and first to hand in won, it's fair competition.

[xarzzardorn]

this story probably belongs in your diary not on an internet forum

[Lanuven]

Heres come the RnF move since Alarti is here to shit this up and spin the crap out of everything.

Rage was up over an hour and a half with no one in zone "Tracking". If your tracking the mob for 6+ hours, why wait so long to switch chars?

[zanderklocke]

I guess I don't understand why Zagum has less of a right to the item or the idea that he is a douchebag when he was in the lair for 9 hours waiting for Ragefire. Regardless of whether or not he sells the MQ or gives it away, as he indicated he did with this specific instance, he is playing the game in his best interest. That doesn't necessarily make him a morally reprehensible person.

My opinion is that no one in this game is entitled to any loot or drops. Sometimes people are nice and dish out items or help for free, but why should Zagum be scolded when he camped the mob and turned in his pearl? Is it because his character is decked out in better equipment? Does him playing longer on the server or him having more time to play on the server mean he's a douchebag for turning in his pearl? That's a matter of opinion that no one will agree on.

I will not see my epic unless I join a raiding guild or amass 350K. It sucks, but I realize that the way the server is, things won't change. However, I'm still happy to do things in the game because at the end of the day, I can still find fun things to do.

These are my opinions, and you don't have to agree with them. However, I think the only two people that can dish this out or discuss what happened fairly are Zagum and the OP.

I just don't think people should be scolded when they do everything fairly in the context of the game rules; again, this is my opinion. Ragefire will spawn again, and there will be another chance to get his heart.

[Skope]

I am lost
@OP how many hours of your time did you invest into this ragefire? Did you expect to just walk into SolB and get this kill anytime you wanted to?

You think you somehow deserve this kill over Zagum and crew because you feel you are more deserving in some way? How do you come to this conclusion?

If you read carefully -- and I know it's difficult for you -- you'll see that the rant and posts after it aren't about a single incident but rather the history of poopooheadedness that culminated in that single incident.

What I find interesting is that you ignored the fact that the poster also said they've been attempting to get the epic for over a year now (and Zagum's been killing RF for MQ's and $$$), and the various other posters discussing the same topic, but you're nevertheless quick to point out the fact that he tracked it for hours. It's like one of those publicly released CIA papers where only a small bit of text isn't blacked out.

http://remnantculture.com/wp-content/uploads/washingmachine.jpg

Zeelot, you need to hire Loke to teach these guys a thing or two. That guy could swing his hips like no other. Alarti is very flat and awkward about it

[Lanuven]

He wasn't there, that's why. We sent message out at 7am CST and he was uncontested. Uncontested meaning he wasn't in the lair, or fighting giants to get there.

[Gel Mibson]

"this game's about pixels. i remember at my best, there'll be nights when the whole world would slow down and get very quiet. i could hear the basement dwellers log on, and nothing existed outside of this game. what these youngbloods have to understand...that this game, has always been and will always be about pixels. Elixa, you're a real baller - you got to get out there and put your team back together again...go find em" - Bill Russell

[bizzum]

ZAGUM IS A BIG JERK. IT IS KNOWN.

I'll still buff you if you ask though =3

Lanuven -- If you were there (were you? you seem like just a commentator on something you weren't even involved in), I'm sure if you did a /who of the zone you would see Cropduster (hilarious name!) in zone. That would be who was up in the lair.

Anyways, I lied again! I said I wouldn't come back, but work is boring~

[orsk]

There is nothing more to this than the simple fact that you either do or dont turn in the pearl and get RF. It has nothing to do with who did it or who wanted what.

[quido]

I'm about to start locking down ragefire so hard that all cleric epic MQs are gonna cost more than necro epics.

[Lanuven]

Dont worry about what char I was on. Tracking zone for 9+ hours and still took you over an hour and a half to switch chars and get into lair, to just barely beat out Europa and us for the hand in.

Lets get all of TMO in here to defend what you did though. It usually works out for yall. Wouldnt want to tarnish your sterling reputation on this server, now would we?

[Skope]

I'm about to start locking down ragefire so hard that all cleric epic MQs are gonna cost more than necro epics.

See that?! At least he's not bobbing and weaving :)

Jeremy's a pro, he gets it. Jeremy, maybe you can teach Alarti while you're at it. His back-and-forth + selective reading is getting annoying and really obvious. He needs a new schtick

[Alarti0001]

If you read carefully -- and I know it's difficult for you -- you'll see that the rant and posts after it aren't about a single incident but rather the history of poopooheadedness that culminated in that single incident.

What I find interesting is that you ignored the fact that the poster also said they've been attempting to get the epic for over a year now (and Zagum's been killing RF for MQ's and $$$), and the various other posters discussing the same topic, but you're nevertheless quick to point out the fact that he tracked it for hours. It's like one of those publicly released CIA papers where only a small bit of text isn't blacked out.

Zeelot, you need to hire Loke to teach these guys a thing or two. That guy could swing his hips like no other. Alarti is very flat and awkward about it

Skope if you read carefully. I asked how much time was invested in this ragefire. Every Ragefire is a different encounter and should be handled as such. The guy says he has wanted his ragefire piece for a year now. There has been soo soo sooooo very many times that ragefire has been left up for a day or so. If they put in a time investment like these other people do they would have had one long ago.
My post was about the feeling of entitlement. FE has been trying to beat TMO for MONTHS now... does that mean they deserve to be above us because they want to be?

So ... read carefully divinity troll....oh what is one of the guilds constantly camping ragefire....oh ya divinity.

[oldschooltrader]

I think all you people complaining should go camp a rare spawn for me for 6+ hours, then when it spawns, I'll show up and try to kill it. Then once you beat me to it, I'll then make some thread crying about how mean you are for not just letting me have the mob... I mean... you only camped it for 6 hours... and I neeeeeddzzz it!

/lol

lol


first off camping a rare spawn means killing phs.... Rage is just on random time so like any raid mob theres no " camp". Your logic means anyone tracking VS or Trak for the most hours gets that mob, nope not here. You could track a dragon on your one off day for 18 hours n then god forbid u go get some food n bam dragon spawns while afk n u lose.

thats part of the game, however being respectful to other players who are respectful to you and your time is also a big part. People dont care tho, they just profit til banned and buy another account, rinse repeat

[Swish]

I'm about to start locking down ragefire so hard that all cleric epic MQs are gonna cost more than necro epics.

Calling BS, he too busy on red trying to get people to fight him in RV ;)

[Triangle]

They spent hours tracking ragefire... Clearing the giants is entirely separate from ragefire. They were tracking it from the lair, already there and ready.

I don't see how one person is more entitled than the next in such a scenario. Sounds to me like both were tracking, and first to hand in won, it's fair competition.

No one is questioning who had the right to it or whether it was a legit kill. This seems to be an idea incomprehensible to you and your guild, but sometimes you can abide by the rules but still be a dbag.

[Lanuven]

So ... read carefully divinity troll....oh what is one of the guilds constantly camping ragefire....oh ya divinity.

Yes we killed the last 3 or so ragefires. Ask our 3 cleric apps who received the heart for their epic. Or maybe Divinity apps are now posing as apps to get the heart and sell it for the MQ instead of turning it in for themselves.

[boudicca]

Sure sounds like an inviting place to play!

New people, come on and join the server, and when you get to max level, enjoy the ruthless high end guilds doing whatever they want under vague technicalities. After all, it's the "Classic Experience", to sell MQ of epics.

[Loly Taa]

TMO is the scum of the server. They have been suspended more than any other guilds combined on p99. Needs to get disbanded. They will lie and say anything to make their case ^^ like the poster above.

Uh?

I think we were suspended twice, DA was suspended at LEAST twice, IB had at least one, perhaps two- but we all know why.


Anyways, all I hear is whining and bitching about something so fucking stupid. TMO happily agreed to rotate Ragefire with the rest of the server and even brought in guilds to the rotation who had no chance of competing with us for that spawn.

Just because you were too fucking lazy to either be in one of those guilds at the time (Seeing as you've been here so long, right?), or because you simply don't want to put in the time that others have to earn their epic doesn't mean anyone has to wait for you to take your sweet time to spawn and engage a mob.

The Ragefire rotation was ended after it was determined most guilds had no more waiting main clerics and as far as I remember no one complained about it then, and I can't recall many people complaining about it since.

It's an epic weapon, man the fuck up and earn it. If you want loot simply handed to you- you can literally play ANY OTHER MMORPG IN EXISTENCE! Don't spoil the one online game that didn't hand-hold and baby it's players.

[Skope]

Skope if you read carefully. I asked how much time was invested in this ragefire. Every Ragefire is a different encounter and should be handled as such. The guy says he has wanted his ragefire piece for a year now. There has been soo soo sooooo very many times that ragefire has been left up for a day or so. If they put in a time investment like these other people do they would have had one long ago.
My post was about the feeling of entitlement. FE has been trying to beat TMO for MONTHS now... does that mean they deserve to be above us because they want to be?

So ... read carefully divinity troll....oh what is one of the guilds constantly camping ragefire....oh ya divinity.

We've killed him a few times over the past 2 weeks, in fact. Zagum has been there staring at us killing more than once. The difference is that we're not there to sell the MQ's (they went to apps and members' cleric alts)

Anyway, there's a difference between a troll and a Skope. Trolls post to elicit a response from someone of the "rage" kind, whereas a Skope makes points in a (usually) light-hearted manner.

[falkun]

happily
You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=65906)

[Gurbuuk]

I m just impressed by the lack of maturity of some posters...

"he was camping RF for 9 hours" = he check the spawn during his dayjob or something like that.
not really hard / stressfull.

A bit different than trying to : having a day off (yeah you know some of us works 8 hours a day without being able to be on EQ all day long. Yeah that exist.
mob up, trying to find some guildmates (you some, most guilds dont have 200 + members). some cant have 30 peeps online 24/24.
Some guild cant duo / trio mobs, cause ubbergearxyz
And seing 2 carac logging and killing the mob you expect.

So you can understand, M TMO001, that you can piss off a lot of peoploe with this kind of comportements.

But "its competition" ahaah.

Thanks again,

I dont wana live in your world.

(as a side note : if you find my english is poor, that ok, i m not (so) dumb, just french)

[bizzum]

I'm working my 8 hour Mon-Fri job right now, and I am not on Everquest! I can only play the MMO my company is making while I'm at work :(

[oldschooltrader]

This isnt about this particular Rage as OP didnt study this servers lexicon-esque rule book when it comes to raid mob encounters. Had he known there was competition im sure they would have rushed to turn in n worry ab things later. TMO got a legit kill here as Zagum apparently was putting some effort in the camp as he has many alts he has to feed.


That said i find it funny that tracking this mob suddenly entitles u to it. Tracking all the other contested bosses doesnt give u any right to it than the other guy. Coming here asking how long OP tracked Rage is irrelevant as if the merchant is up and he has a pearl its FFA. Its then on the players in the zone to figure out how yo behave.

[Socratic]

Haha... I can't play as much as you... give me the loot please!

Either a lot of people here are trolling or... I dunno... I can't think of another reasonable option.

[Atmas]

Today (1st March 2013) I logged into EQ and was happy to see that my long time friend and guildy Slozem was planning to check for ragefire in Solb. To my surprise he was up and we proceeded to move to Solb, meeting some Divinty members along the way who were happy to help me attempt the final part of my epic.

Reading your post and this thread it sounds kind of like you logged on and headed there but Zagum and crew logged on and were already there.

In any case, claiming that you have been unable to get a Ragefire for a year seems a bit of a misleading statement. That mob was on rotation for a while. It even got to the point where many guilds didn't have any clerics left to get an epic for and either passed their oppurtunity or helped out of guild clerics obtain it.

[Daldolma]

Zagum - 60 Shaman
Hakata Ramen - 60 Warrior
Klaritee Dicktaters - 60 Enchanter
Serilis - 60 Wizard
Decisive - Next in line!?

you cannot compete with someone at this level of immersion. that ragefire meant more to him than anything on this server will ever mean to you. pray for him

[Gel Mibson]

you cannot compete with someone at this level of immersion. that ragefire meant more to him than anything on this server will ever mean to you. pray for him

really hope that guy didn't lvl those chars from 1-60. that's like a year of your RL life man...

[DoucLangur]

could a GM confirm that Zagum/Hakata (and the cleric Harisi or whatever the name was) were actually played by two (three) different people? Would be irony that someone so honorful would accidentally exploit an IP exemption to farm stuff. And unheard off :p

[bizzum]

Ouch! Go ahead and check those IPs, zero ducks. I leveled most of those characters, but you'd be surprised how far AE chardok and fear will take you when you level a chanter and wizard~

Don't worry boys, I still get plenty of sun.

[Socratic]

Haha the retardation keeps getting better.

Can a GM confirm that Zagum eats babies so we can sacrifice him to our god that gives us what we want when we fail to achieve it!

[Lyra]

you cannot compete with someone at this level of immersion. that ragefire meant more to him than anything on this server will ever mean to you. pray for him

really hope that guy didn't lvl those chars from 1-60. that's like a year of your RL life man...

Pray for him? Like he's going to hell because he played too much Everquest?

Why would you be concerned with a stranger's time management?

If you think his actions in this matter were wrong, say so and feel free to explain why.

[Daldolma]

Pray for him? Like he's going to hell because he played too much Everquest?

If you think his actions in this matter were wrong, say so and feel free to explain why.

no, like he's suffering from some kind of RL affliction that has tethered him to a computer chair and for that he deserves our sympathy

his actions were clearly wrong, no explanation is necessary

[Gel Mibson]

THIS GAME HAS BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE ABOUT PIXELS!

[Gel Mibson]

Pray for him? Like he's going to hell because he played too much Everquest?

Why would you be concerned with a stranger's time management?

If you think his actions in this matter were wrong, say so and feel free to explain why.

Whoa there partner - why would you assume that he is going to hell for playing everquest. Way to put some words in his mouth...

I think YOUR actions are wrong to assume he's going to hell.

[Gel Mibson]

Ouch! Go ahead and check those IPs, zero ducks. I leveled most of those characters, but you'd be surprised how far AE chardok and fear will take you when you level a chanter and wizard~

Don't worry boys, I still get plenty of sun.

Don't forget the sun block !

[Skope]

his actions were clearly wrong, no explanation is necessary

They weren't wrong. He can do whatever he wants, and if that happens to be MQing cleric epix then good luck to him. What's "wrong" (more annoying, really) is the obliviousness, ignorance and dancing that accompanies it. Do you really need nerd brigade wielding shields to deflect the legitimate points about epic MQs and farming them for $$? Or somebody coming in here and claiming they're doing the community a favor?. Really could do without that, imo.

Just man up and admit it and move on. There's nothing to be ashamed about nor deny here.

[burkemi5]

Alright guys, I know zagum personally and let me settle this argument--

1) he leveled all his chars solo and grouping. Easily at least 300-400 days played.

2) He is unemployed. He DOES in fact live in his mom's basement, which allows him to play EQ for as long as he does.

3) He is a horrible person. He has, on multiple occasions,
3a) Kicked my dog.
3b) Stolen my pixels for pure, unadulterated greed.
3c) Taken my mother out for a nice steak and NOT called her back.
3d) Said rude things to me which hurt my feelings, both online (!!!) and in person.

4) I am 1000000% sure that the fight in question was done by 1 person. He regularly tri-boxes
and has been know to go up to a 7 box. You guys gotta see his basement, it's decked out.

5) He once made macaroni and cheese AND DIDN'T FULLY MELT THE BUTTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Overall, there is enough evidence here to conclude that Zagum is a horrible, horrible parasite and him and TMO (basically the same thing) should be banned / removed from this server forever.

[Lyra]

no, like he's suffering from some kind of RL affliction that has tethered him to a computer chair and for that he deserves our sympathy


Yes, because your post was so compassionate and caring for his well being.

[Samoht]

They weren't wrong.

They were, actually. Zoning in with a tracker to find Ragefire up and then leap frogging the raid that was already there with appropriate force was clearly wrong.

"i had been tracking it for 9 hours" isn't the same as already having 3 groups at the spot.

[Skope]

They were, actually. Zoning with a tracker to find Ragefire up and then leap frogging the raid that was already there with appropriate force was clearly wrong.

The times I've killed Ragefire I've seen Zagum (and friends) camp their chars there. I wasn't there for this one, though. Either way this single incident isn't the only issue here

[Socratic]

They were, actually. Zoning in with a tracker to find Ragefire up and then leap frogging the raid that was already there with appropriate force was clearly wrong.

"i had been tracking it for 9 hours" isn't the same as already having 3 groups at the spot.

If you really think this is what happened you need to re-read this thread, this time with your brain turned on.

[Samoht]

If you really think this is what happened you need to re-read this thread, this time with your brain turned on.

No, I'm pretty sure you're the one that is wrong about the circumstances behind the stealing of this ragefire spawn.

Thank you for your concern, though.

[Eccezan]

A+ thread, would read again.

[kotton05]

Ragefire was my first interaction with how the server works. Sorry OP you didn't get your epic.

While in full circle I sat there with a raid force with taken there in force as well. Soon after TMO showed up to help taken in the click off >.<

Now only thing you can do is know next time gotta turn in ASAP, the human form isn't that bad and you can take your time killing him outside of the lair as well. Best of luck on next spawn.

[webrunner5]

I am not in TMO but... I port a lot of them and group with a few of them and I have yet to meet a Dickhead in TMO like people are saying here about ALL of them. And yes I have been in Ragefire camps and yes they are pretty much usually "Cluster F...ks". But the mob pops a lot so how can it take nearly a YEAR to get the heart.

If you want great stuff join TMO or FE and poopsock and batphone 24/7 like they do and you will have 4 Twinks from hell like a lot of them do. Simple as that. Jeeez. :mad:

[Ele]

Its not like Ragefire is only spawning once a week as it was doing for the first few months. It spawns nearly every single day.

[vulzol]

Sadly crying won't earn you sympathy here on the forums. Shit happens like this every day in real life such as good-hearted small business owners working their whole life pouring their heart and soul into a business only to be shut down by greedy corporate fat cats that just care about profits. Sure these small business owners get some support from their community but at the end of the day money and power is all that exists and your experiences mean nothing unless you possess the two.

And to the poster above, of course TMO will be nice to your face - they have no reason to be angry. They get whatever they want ten times over at the expense of everybody else on the server that play for other reasons than "kill every raid mob over and over to get all possible loot and feel awesome".

The greatest mystery remains why anybody would feel any pride or power dominating an emulation server of a 10+ year old game. I feel as people in TMO are the people that were in the runner-up guilds on live in the classic era and have a bunch of pent up rage over never being #1. Or perhaps they were in the #1 guilds and it was the only time in their life they felt like they were awesome and good at something and they're here on P1999 trying to reclaim that feeling.

Either way it doesn't matter. There's always that kid in the sandbox trying to ruin the fun for everyone else. Unless GMs enforce some rotation or more civilized system then there will always be stories like OP around. Sad, but reality.

[vulzol]

But they'll ban me for accusations of RMT even though I was doing it in such a way that had zero impact on the community but they won't ban these scum bags who go out of their way to fuck people over who are blatantly as fucking hell, hording plat to sell it. Makes sense for sure.

Careful, I've been banned from forums for extremely indirect insinuations of RMT before.

[Captivate]

How much of this kind of crap are you guys going to put up with before you realize you can stand up for yourselves on another server and just take it? This kind of thing could never happen on red.

[Luchino]

I was "tracking" aka hanging out with my girlfriend with eq in the background (if i could do this in my guild for dkp, i would! But would result in a lot less merbs!). Passed out around 5am? Alarm set for 9am to check Ragefire.

[Wed May 01 08:49:30 2013] Magi Rokyl begins to cast a spell.
[Wed May 01 08:52:47 2013] Magi Rokyl begins to cast a spell.
[Wed May 01 08:56:00 2013] Magi Rokyl begins to cast a spell.
[Wed May 01 08:59:12 2013] Magi Rokyl begins to cast a spell.
[Wed May 01 09:01:14 2013] Slozem says out of character, '<- quick pee break, brb'
[Wed May 01 09:01:25 2013] Slozem says out of character, 'like all the zone wanted to know ;)'
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] Players on EverQuest:
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] ---------------------------
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [40 Shadow Knight] Bonethugg (Troll) <Harmony>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Elixa <Europa>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Frida <Divinity>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Denice <Europa>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Antwiz <Europa>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Rhobin <Europa>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Zazche <Europa>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Dagorn <Europa>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Nuffwin <Europa>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Dangergirl
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Morganella <Europa>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Kiriac <Divinity>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Slozem <Europa>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Febbas <Europa>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Roufas <Divinity>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [49 Shadow Knight] Cropduster (Ogre) <The Mystical Order>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] There are 16 players in Nagafen's Lair.

As luck had it, I'd say they were clearing 4 spawn at this point, about to advance onto the door guards. I called Zag, handed in my pearl, and engaged Magi. If anything, Europe tried to leapfrog us! :P

Its the luck of the draw. I've woken up countless times to see Sloan or other guilds engaged with the human form or dragon. Yes, we're doing this for the money. Yes, i we want more money. YES, if random clerics are seen camping it, without a force, we will kill it for them, at chance of droppables.

Off the top of my head:
Planarity(sp) unguilded - eventually went to FE
Greven - unguilded, eventually TMO
FC raid - we bowed out
Taken raid - we bowed out.


What should we do?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWL7vZcEX14

[Lyra]

But they'll ban me for accusations of RMT even though I was doing it in such a way that had zero impact on the community but they won't ban these scum bags who go out of their way to fuck people over who are blatantly as fucking hell, hording plat to sell it. Makes sense for sure.

I'm sure they would appreciate any help or information you can give them to put an end to it.

[vulzol]

I was "tracking" aka hanging out with my girlfriend with eq in the background (if i could do this in my guild for dkp, i would! But would result in a lot less merbs!). Passed out around 5am? Alarm set for 9am to check Ragefire.

[Wed May 01 08:49:30 2013] Magi Rokyl begins to cast a spell.
[Wed May 01 08:52:47 2013] Magi Rokyl begins to cast a spell.
[Wed May 01 08:56:00 2013] Magi Rokyl begins to cast a spell.
[Wed May 01 08:59:12 2013] Magi Rokyl begins to cast a spell.
[Wed May 01 09:01:14 2013] Slozem says out of character, '<- quick pee break, brb'
[Wed May 01 09:01:25 2013] Slozem says out of character, 'like all the zone wanted to know ;)'
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] Players on EverQuest:
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] ---------------------------
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [40 Shadow Knight] Bonethugg (Troll) <Harmony>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Elixa <Europa>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Frida <Divinity>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Denice <Europa>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Antwiz <Europa>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Rhobin <Europa>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Zazche <Europa>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Dagorn <Europa>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Nuffwin <Europa>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Dangergirl
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Morganella <Europa>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Kiriac <Divinity>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Slozem <Europa>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Febbas <Europa>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Roufas <Divinity>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] [49 Shadow Knight] Cropduster (Ogre) <The Mystical Order>
[Wed May 01 09:01:31 2013] There are 16 players in Nagafen's Lair.

As luck had it, I'd say they were clearing 4 spawn at this point, about to advance onto the door guards. I called Zag, handed in my pearl, and engaged Magi. If anything, Europe tried to leapfrog us! :P

Its the luck of the draw. I've woken up countless times to see Sloan or other guilds engaged with the human form or dragon. Yes, we're doing this for the money. Yes, i we want more money. YES, if random clerics are seen camping it, without a force, we will kill it for them, at chance of droppables.

Off the top of my head:
Planarity(sp) unguilded - eventually went to FE
Greven - unguilded, eventually TMO
FC raid - we bowed out
Taken raid - we bowed out.


What should we do?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWL7vZcEX14

Here starts the spin.

We're heading for RnF

[Luchino]

Here starts the spin.

We're heading for RnF

I do believe spin cycle was engaged via page 6? (note the washer!)

This is the most fun I've had on the forums, ever. Thanks.

[Splorf22]

Lyra what exactly is your issue here? The cleric epic is one of the easiest epics up there with the rogue, monk and shaman ones. You said you 'camped ragefire for days on live'. It spawns every 24 hours or so. If you did that here you would have your epic within a week.

Zagum, =3 is not a heart. It's 3=====D with the D chopped off.

OP: the harsh reality is we have too many high level players on this server and not enough raid content. Rogean and Nilbog would rather see players fight like dogs over unclassically varianced content than just do simultaneous repops or have tokens to spawn raid mobs or whatever. It is what it is: you have to either track/batphone, avoid the raid scene, play on red, or just not play at all.

[Frieza_Prexus]

My apologies if I missed it, but did either side attempt to communicate with the other before the hand in?

[bizzum]

Zagum, =3 is not a heart. It's 3=====D with the D chopped off.

I was supposed to be a cat face. =^._.^=

[stonez138]

It's a mystery to me why anyone groups with/buys from/sells to the scumfucks known as TMO.

[Crazyeye]

Results of the next expansion being overdue by 2 years. The more progress you make here, the more clustered and contested content you will run into. Simple as that bros

[Samoht]

As luck had it, I'd say they were clearing 4 spawn at this point, about to advance onto the door guards. I called Zag, handed in my pearl, and engaged Magi.

Admission that they knew that someone was already there in force.

So we've already seen them not holding the spawn, and now they admit that they intentionally took it knowing someone else was there to get it.

[Luchino]

Admission that they knew that someone was already there in force.

So we've already seen them not holding the spawn, and now they admit that they intentionally took it knowing someone else was there to get it.

How is clearing the giants holding the spawn when we're camping in the lair? Especially when 2 of us are a force for this mob. And 3 of us (cleric bp) is a joke.

[stonez138]

Results of TMO being a bunch of cockblocking assholes. The more progress you make here, the more you will run into it. Simple as that bros

Fixed that for you.

[burkemi5]

It's a mystery to me why anyone groups with/buys from/sells to the scumfucks known as TMO.

So tru, so tru.

Admit it Luchino, you're a fucking terrible person. You and Zagum both. DIAF!!!!! I HATE YOU!!!!!!!!!!

[Daldolma]

Passed out around 5am? Alarm set for 9am to check Ragefire.

you cannot compete with someone at this level of immersion.

[TotallyLegit]

My partner and I joined the P99 community in November 2010, myself leveling 2 characters over 50 and my partner 3 characters. My main is a level 60 Cleric - Elixa of Europa, and my wife plays a Level 60 Mage - Natcha of Europa.

Today (1st March 2013) I logged into EQ and was happy to see that my long time friend and guildy Slozem was planning to check for ragefire in Solb. To my surprise he was up and we proceeded to move to Solb, meeting some Divinty members along the way who were happy to help me attempt the final part of my epic. We planned to share any other loot between our 2 guilds <Europa> and <Divinity>.

We were un-contested and cleared all the fire giants to the lair, we killed the Magi Rokyl and had 2 remaining giants in camp. I got a couple of tells quite quickly saying that I needed to hand in the pearl asap as TMO were coming to try and leap frog us. To that I ran to the human form of ragefire with my pearl in hand, tried to click on him to open the trade window, but was already beaten by Hakata and his faster handing in of the pearl. Ragefire started attacking me, I backed away and Hakata pulled him to the stealthfully formed TMO camp.

We watched for some time as ragefire was trioed by Zagum, Hakata and a TMO cleric (I forget her name). No doubt this heart which has been obtained today will be added to the collection of hearts being sold in this thread: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=96614

Anyway, I find that currently this "community" of players that I am now gaming with leaving a bitter taste in my mouth when I logged off today. I have not been able to obtain my epic for a year now, I have not payed or given anything in return for each of my epic stages apart from my desire to help others complete quests or goals within this game. I am sure you can probably understand my disappointment when I am denied at the very last point of my epic quest to 3 people attempting to amass a horde of platinum.

I understand the rules of this server, and that these are needed to keep a large grey area opening up in guild disputes at the end game. Unfortunately I also remember a time when clearing nearly every fire giant with 3 groups of players and with a cleric hoping for the last mob in their epic quest would be a quite plain statement of intentions, any other group or guild respecting the mobilisation of those people who had logged in specifically to help.

What could be done about this? I am really not sure. But I thought you should know that on this great project and achievement in gaming that some cleaver people have created, moderate and administrate – populated by people who share the same love for this project there are players that treat others in this manner.

I think that if this type of community continues as it is, then we will be producing an environment that is not conducive to maintaining and growing new and good hearted players.

Thank you for taking the time to read this post.

Elixa <Europa>


You guys just don't get it.

The title of this thread is "Disappointed Cleric" and it was presented with no hate or malice.

Elixa and his wife have been playing on this server for 2.5 years hanging out, doing their thing, and then one day...

BOOM Ragefire is up and people are available and today looks like the day he is finally going to get his clicky rez! So they are, IN Sol B killing FGs, getting this done

and then....

Luchino, who was admittedly "snoozing on the job" and "doing this for the money", CLEARLY noticed what was going on and deliberately fucked them. He fucked everyone who was there in support of this cleric. For the money.

That's just plain awful.

Will it get you suspended? Seems not. Should it get you and those who participated shunned by the server. Absolutely.


I am disappointed for you, Elixa, and thank you for sharing your experience. It is important to know what kind of people are in your community. I hope you find another opportunity to get your epic soon.

[Tecmos Deception]

Alright guys, I know zagum personally and let me settle this argument--

1) he leveled all his chars solo and grouping. Easily at least 300-400 days played.

2) He is unemployed. He DOES in fact live in his mom's basement, which allows him to play EQ for as long as he does.

3) He is a horrible person. He has, on multiple occasions,
3a) Kicked my dog.
3b) Stolen my pixels for pure, unadulterated greed.
3c) Taken my mother out for a nice steak and NOT called her back.
3d) Said rude things to me which hurt my feelings, both online (!!!) and in person.

4) I am 1000000% sure that the fight in question was done by 1 person. He regularly tri-boxes
and has been know to go up to a 7 box. You guys gotta see his basement, it's decked out.

5) He once made macaroni and cheese AND DIDN'T FULLY MELT THE BUTTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Overall, there is enough evidence here to conclude that Zagum is a horrible, horrible parasite and him and TMO (basically the same thing) should be banned / removed from this server forever.

If you seek a pleasant peninsula, look about you!

[Swish]

Well, probably too late but a change to MQing would solve a lot of this. Not looking forward to that camp I have to say...its bottlenecks like this that are the reason theres so many shammies on the server I reckon :p

[Doors]

Results of the next expansion being overdue by 2 years. The more progress you make here, the more clustered and contested content you will run into. Simple as that bros

Entitlement on a free to play server. Nice attitude.

TMO being TMO.

[Lyra]

Lyra what exactly is your issue here? The cleric epic is one of the easiest epics up there with the rogue, monk and shaman ones. You said you 'camped ragefire for days on live'. It spawns every 24 hours or so. If you did that here you would have your epic within a week.

When I read this thread, I recalled what you told me. I was just quoting you because either there are things to complain about regarding the cleric epic, or the OP shouldn't be complaining. The OP is in the largest guild for that time zone.

I'm going to quote you again if I camp it for days and don't get it :p

[Luchino]

Ragefire: Causing drama on p1999 since 2011.

[Arrisard]

Entitlement on a free to play server. Nice attitude.

TMO being TMO.

He stated a fact. The server is high end heavy with a lot of bored 60s. There's going to be some bump and rub. Has nothing to do with entitlement, but, of course you can't just leave it at that. You all can piss and moan over who was polite to who to your hearts' content, but your statement is just downright idiotic if you're trying to call him out for that kind of bullshit. Especially with CE doing work in that tacked crowd sourcing thread when your name hasn't made an appearance.

[Luchino]

Lets not forget: FULL cleric epic and HEARTS for sale! PM now!

[Llodd]

My apologies if I missed it, but did either side attempt to communicate with the other before the hand in?

Yeah, OP talked to Zagum but that guy said

Fook off and die, my inbred toenail needs a fancy new shoe so I'm taking this shit

Toowit tawoo

morons

[stonez138]

Lets not forget: FULL cleric epic and HEARTS for sale! PM now!

One thing we wont forget is that you're an asshole.

[Doors]

He stated a fact.

More like being held hostage by sociopaths with no lives.

Either way this threads just another one for the record books. Search forum tool tells you all you need to know about this guild and its members. If anyone thinks this shit will stop when velious comes out they haven't been on this server long.

[Arrisard]

One thing we wont forget is that you're an asshole.

http://i.imgur.com/xuEe3F1.gif

[Kagatob]

I miss live. VS dies and whoever killed it shouting that 1-2 stones are rotting and anyone who can make it there without training can grab 'em.

Absolutely no reason for them to continue allowing epic MQs. If they removed epic MQ and account sales 90% of the economy issues and forum bitching would suddenly disappear. Kinda funny when the only naysayers are the ones with the money.

[quido]

Calling BS, he too busy on red trying to get people to fight him in RV ;)

lol were you that peck I attacked above the bank? who I later ran out of OOT after you sent me a mistell talking about how you were going to wait for the right moment before attacking me? =)

[quido]

5) He once made macaroni and cheese AND DIDN'T FULLY MELT THE BUTTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't really care about any of the stuff in this thread, but seeing this has put me in a foul mood.

Zagum, I got a FG train with your name on it dogg - better grow eyes in the backa yo head, ninja

[TotallyLegit]

Absolutely no reason for them to continue allowing epic MQs.

Or is there....?

If they removed epic MQ and account sales 90% of the economy issues and forum bitching would suddenly disappear.


inc tinfoil hat posts

[Splorf22]

Off topic, but my problem with account sales is that they increase the high-level population. Normally when someone quits/takes a break that character is out of the pool. Now they can be bought (and relatively cheaply) and stay in circulation. It's the difference between 15 hours of farming the spore king for pp and 10 days /played of leveling your twink. Which means more high-level toons farming and less low-level toons leveling.

[Swish]

lol were you that peck I attacked above the bank? who I later ran out of OOT after you sent me a mistell talking about how you were going to wait for the right moment before attacking me? =)

No, I'm probably out of range (too low)...but the ooc said all :p

[rsloans84]

TMO members that did this should be perma banned just saying

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

STFU. GTFO.
ONE MILLION YEARS DUNGEON.
ALL OF YOU.
NO TRIALS.
CLICK HERE. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krHMzFIpTlg)



keylogger dont click

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

Learn to sarcasm bro, you suck

[quido]

No, I'm probably out of range (too low)...but the ooc said all :p

lol I must not have been paying attention

did the peck complain about me? I offered peace and friendship to the peck until I got that mistell lol

she just mad that bards rule

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

OH, MY BAD. I THOUGHT U WERE SRS. LIKE THIS THREAD.]

http://i42.tinypic.com/e6uotz.gif

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

Someone explain to me why this stuff continues to happen and TMO isn't punished for it.

http://i39.tinypic.com/3135d8p.gif

[Irisa]

http://i42.tinypic.com/e6uotz.gif

:cool:

[Kagatob]

TMO members that did this should be perma banned just saying

Someone explain to me why this stuff continues to happen and TMO isn't punished for it.
The sad thing is that these problems wouldn't even happen if the MQ's weren't possible.

Before someone argues that they would instead just have a host of clerics that they make to get epics to sell the accounts, two things. Firstly, account selling shouldn't be allowed either, it's not classic and the dev teams have even stated that if they could find a relyable consistant way to enforce it they would. Secondly, even if they did, it would at least be an inconvenience to these low lifes which is still a minor victory regardless.
Many of the MQs going on now weren't even possible on live, too.

My knowledge of classic/Kunark MQ's is limited so I'd love to see some references that could be submitted to Nilbog as IIRC they manually enabled each quest that is MQable anyway.

[Signal]

Zagum and company does this all the time at Ragefire. We have been in the lair waiting on him to spawn (Because we knew roughly when he should spawn based on his last kill). Zagum and his trio shows up and basically acts like they own the spawn when they are there. Saying things like "Why should we let you guys have this Ragefire when you got the last one".

To be clear every Ragefire we were doing was for a Cleric in our guild that needed the epic. Yet these guys were acting like it was their spawn and we needed permission to spawn it from them...BEFORE THE MOB EVEN SPAWNED.

[sulpher01]

This thread kind of sums this server up

[Ele]

Many of the MQs going on now weren't even possible on live, too.

Thank you for the thorough bug report.

[SpartanEQ]

My partner and I joined the P99 community in November 2010, myself leveling 2 characters over 50 and my partner 3 characters. My main is a level 60 Cleric - Elixa of Europa, and my wife plays a Level 60 Mage - Natcha of Europa.

...

Elixa <Europa>

You have a wife who plays games with you. Don't worry about this drama; you win regardless.

I'm single and lvl 14. Where's MY epic??

[Tiggles]

Move this thread to RNF.

Casual garbage.

It would be easier for these cry babies to farm the 120k to buy the epic from TMO then to do it normally.

[Kagatob]

This message is hidden because Irisa is on your ignore list.
This thread is readable again.
Move this thread to RNF.

Casual garbage.

It would be easier for these cry babies to farm the 120k to buy the epic from TMO then to do it normally.

Can't tell if sarcastic or aspergers.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

leapfrogging is, imho, the creepiest and slimiest tactic in eq. anyone have a nominee (other than ripping someone off in a trade, I mean gameplay) that is worse than leapfrogging?

[Nihilist_santa]

leapfrogging is, imho, the creepiest and slimiest tactic in eq. anyone have a nominee (other than ripping someone off in a trade, I mean gameplay) that is worse than leapfrogging?

Ninja looting was pretty bad. Surprised there is no problem with that here considering the current lack of any kind of reputation enforcement or account trades and overall greed you hear about.

[vulzol]

Someone explain to me why this stuff continues to happen and TMO isn't punished for it.

Wish I could without getting banned.

[katrik]

My partner and I joined the P99 community in November 2010, myself leveling 2 characters over 50 and my partner 3 characters. My main is a level 60 Cleric - Elixa of Europa, and my wife plays a Level 60 Mage - Natcha of Europa.

Today (1st March 2013) I logged into EQ and was happy to see that my long time friend and guildy Slozem was planning to check for ragefire in Solb. To my surprise he was up and we proceeded to move to Solb, meeting some Divinty members along the way who were happy to help me attempt the final part of my epic. We planned to share any other loot between our 2 guilds <Europa> and <Divinity>.

We were un-contested and cleared all the fire giants to the lair, we killed the Magi Rokyl and had 2 remaining giants in camp. I got a couple of tells quite quickly saying that I needed to hand in the pearl asap as TMO were coming to try and leap frog us. To that I ran to the human form of ragefire with my pearl in hand, tried to click on him to open the trade window, but was already beaten by Hakata and his faster handing in of the pearl. Ragefire started attacking me, I backed away and Hakata pulled him to the stealthfully formed TMO camp.

We watched for some time as ragefire was trioed by Zagum, Hakata and a TMO cleric (I forget her name). No doubt this heart which has been obtained today will be added to the collection of hearts being sold in this thread: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=96614

Anyway, I find that currently this "community" of players that I am now gaming with leaving a bitter taste in my mouth when I logged off today. I have not been able to obtain my epic for a year now, I have not payed or given anything in return for each of my epic stages apart from my desire to help others complete quests or goals within this game. I am sure you can probably understand my disappointment when I am denied at the very last point of my epic quest to 3 people attempting to amass a horde of platinum.

I understand the rules of this server, and that these are needed to keep a large grey area opening up in guild disputes at the end game. Unfortunately I also remember a time when clearing nearly every fire giant with 3 groups of players and with a cleric hoping for the last mob in their epic quest would be a quite plain statement of intentions, any other group or guild respecting the mobilisation of those people who had logged in specifically to help.

What could be done about this? I am really not sure. But I thought you should know that on this great project and achievement in gaming that some cleaver people have created, moderate and administrate – populated by people who share the same love for this project there are players that treat others in this manner.

I think that if this type of community continues as it is, then we will be producing an environment that is not conducive to maintaining and growing new and good hearted players.

Thank you for taking the time to read this post.

Elixa <Europa>

That... is awful. Im sorry..

[Socratic]

Just a quick correction to the OP: We didn't kill Magus Rokyl, we were busy with the last two guards when the two "players" aforementioned logged into the lair and got Magus aggro upon logging in, killed him and were able to trigger Ragefire before we could.


^

[Kagatob]

Ninja looting was pretty bad. Surprised there is no problem with that here considering the current lack of any kind of reputation enforcement or account trades and overall greed you hear about.

Last I was aware, the GMs can check who had FTE on a mob, who dealt the most damage and who looted what. People have been banned on this server for it and at the very least most infractions of ninja looting end up with the person who legit killed the mob getting their loot.

[Mandalore93]

While it sucks that you got a tad bit cheated out of it, why not just ask Zagum to help you kill it next time RF pops? He seems like a pretty chill guy overall.

On a side note, from the general hub bub it seems that quite a few of the players in the endgame environment would absolutely love EVE. This kind of thing is encouraged there.

[Nogdar]

To answer what was asked several times:

While mostly everyone was raging in their own way when this happened, I was there and did contact Zagum during the event. I wish I could just paste the log but I can't, but here's roughly what I said to him:

"Hey there, I assume it is pointless to ask for you to let our lvl-60-without-epic-cleric-for-way-too-long loot the heart and let you keep the rest of the drops?"

to what he (again, roughly) answered:

"Hello, sorry things have gotten a bit messy, but we've been camping this for hours and have a cleric who needs it"

to what I said

"Ok thanks, gratz to him then. Bye"

I think, Zagum, you can confirm this is true.

It's prolly too late for this now. But my personal feeling is that since you guys claim to be nice chaps and that this is more of a sorry incident than an on-purpose douchebaggery move - why not simply have offered to let Elixa get the heart next time if he throws in his pearl instead of one of yours next time the occasion presents itself. Or even better offer him one of the hearts you have for sale for free against the promise of him giving you his pearl next time.

I think having offered that either during the events or whenever after IG or in this thread would've easily turned such a drama-filled thread into a peaceful happy ending to the story, and everyone's reputation would be unharmed. But well, as you said, apparently what's done is done.

I'm not judging anyone though, we all know what the HL scene of p99 is like, and I find it sad as many of us do, but that won't change it. Our politic at Europa is to stay away as much as possible from the general inter-guild drama going on, but sometimes we're just confronted to it which is why I'm posting now. I just feel terribad for Elixa who really is a friendly and helpful guy who deserved this chance to get his epic, finally. Just don't give up mate, we'll get it sooner or later :)

Let's all hope Velious comes out tomorrow to help a bit with these problems, right? :D

[HallygukRZ]

Well spoken, Master Ogre Bud Dagorn!

[Rhambuk]

While it sucks that you got a tad bit cheated out of it, why not just ask Zagum to help you kill it next time RF pops? He seems like a pretty chill guy overall.



The skimming I've done through this thread makes it sound like zag would indeed be more than willing to help you, its just this instance there was a lack of communication and pixels involved.

hes stated before that he has killed rf for clerics giving them the heart and keeping the loot. Fair negotiation to me.

I'd ask him the next time hes doing it if he could shoot you a quick tell, if youve been after it for as long as you say I imagine hed have no qualms giving you the heart, as hes stated hes given it to cleric alts that need it...

[webrunner5]

Oh come on. Ragefire has probably spawned a 1,000 times or more since this server has started. Your telling me that TMO has 800 Hearts stuffed away someplace. Every damn Cleric even if only level 1 on this server ought to have the piece by now if they REALLY wanted it. :p

[falkun]

No, epics are 16 months old on Blue. At the proposed rate of 1/day, there should be around 400-450 cleric epics on the server, especially considering the first ragefires were ~18hrs after Naggy (so ~1/wk).

[TotallyLegit]

... I imagine hed have no qualms giving you the heart...

Yeah just gotta ask (and then give him 100K).

[Boilon]

lol it's been threads like this that has kept me from wanting to log in lately, that and the constant load of bullshit on this server. Wish i could just transfer my epic to you Elixa.

[Rhambuk]

Yeah just gotta ask (and then give him 100K).

Never dealt with him before, but hes stating that he has given many clerics hearts while farming RF. If your after your epic piece you shouldnt have too many problems giving up a few loot drops. just my opinion, id love to let tmo kill CT and INNY as long as I got the slimeblood and they got the rest of loot. necro epic please...

[Lagaidh]

The first page of this thread made me sad for the community.

I am so tired of seeing what I call "teenager logic" applied in so many topics in these forums. Teenager logic is the term I use when someone is only interested in "technically correct" instead of the "spirit of an idea".

Dad gets angry at his 17 year old son for something and tells the kid he can't drive the family's car that weekend. When dad catches his kid driving a friend's car on Saturday, he confronts the kid. The kid reminds his dad that he said he couldn't drive the family car. The kid understands that his dad didn't want the kid to drive at all, but... the kid is technically correct.

Folks that aren't sociopathic understand when they are being pissy to somebody else. I'd wager we don't have an end game population here that is comprised of 25%+ sociopaths.

Why oh why do folks have to be so technically correct to one another?

[Rhambuk]

Why oh why do folks have to be so technically correct to one another?

Im with you on this one, I can't stand how "techinical" the community has become.

I'd be on board for seeing staff do what they felt was right and not be bound by technical rules.

[Ele]

Why oh why do folks have to be so technically correct to one another?

Young lawyers have to eat too.

[Lagaidh]

Yeah I suppose.

It's just such a shame. I guess the win really is the most important aspect of this game to many a player. I won't begrudge them that. I'm sure there are plenty of folks that would raise an eyebrow at the way I chose to play.

In real life and in Norrath, I try to negatively impact others as little as possible. But that trait is really a greedy one. I don't want to make someone feel bad because then I feel guilty about it forever. Or when I put my foot in my mouth. Which is often.

I guess I have difficulty seeing the other side of this particular coin (topic). That's odd for me, because usually, even if I disagree with another viewpoint, I still understand it.

I have difficulty in understanding the "pros" of certain in-game behavior.

*Sigh* Anonymity will do that to some folks. I never see comfortable (that word is important) humans treating each other like crap more than in auto traffic or on the internet.

[falkun]

I have difficulty in understanding the "pros" of certain in-game behavior.
You don't give yourself enough credit, you do see the "pro" of this attitude:
I guess the win really is the most important aspect of this game to many a player.
Your issue (and you are not alone in this), is that you have a hard time comprehending and acknowledging that people would be so immature about 14 year old pixels. Winning sounds hollow to you when it was done 14 years ago and all the strategies on how to accomplish it are published and freely available.

[OMGWTF420]

My partner and I joined the P99 community in November 2010, myself leveling 2 characters over 50 and my partner 3 characters. My main is a level 60 Cleric - Elixa of Europa, and my wife plays a Level 60 Mage - Natcha of Europa.

Today (1st March 2013) I logged into EQ and was happy to see that my long time friend and guildy Slozem was planning to check for ragefire in Solb. To my surprise he was up and we proceeded to move to Solb, meeting some Divinty members along the way who were happy to help me attempt the final part of my epic. We planned to share any other loot between our 2 guilds <Europa> and <Divinity>.

We were un-contested and cleared all the fire giants to the lair, we killed the Magi Rokyl and had 2 remaining giants in camp. I got a couple of tells quite quickly saying that I needed to hand in the pearl asap as TMO were coming to try and leap frog us. To that I ran to the human form of ragefire with my pearl in hand, tried to click on him to open the trade window, but was already beaten by Hakata and his faster handing in of the pearl. Ragefire started attacking me, I backed away and Hakata pulled him to the stealthfully formed TMO camp.

We watched for some time as ragefire was trioed by Zagum, Hakata and a TMO cleric (I forget her name). No doubt this heart which has been obtained today will be added to the collection of hearts being sold in this thread: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=96614

Anyway, I find that currently this "community" of players that I am now gaming with leaving a bitter taste in my mouth when I logged off today. I have not been able to obtain my epic for a year now, I have not payed or given anything in return for each of my epic stages apart from my desire to help others complete quests or goals within this game. I am sure you can probably understand my disappointment when I am denied at the very last point of my epic quest to 3 people attempting to amass a horde of platinum.

I understand the rules of this server, and that these are needed to keep a large grey area opening up in guild disputes at the end game. Unfortunately I also remember a time when clearing nearly every fire giant with 3 groups of players and with a cleric hoping for the last mob in their epic quest would be a quite plain statement of intentions, any other group or guild respecting the mobilisation of those people who had logged in specifically to help.

What could be done about this? I am really not sure. But I thought you should know that on this great project and achievement in gaming that some cleaver people have created, moderate and administrate – populated by people who share the same love for this project there are players that treat others in this manner.

I think that if this type of community continues as it is, then we will be producing an environment that is not conducive to maintaining and growing new and good hearted players.

Thank you for taking the time to read this post.

Elixa <Europa>


fuck tmo

[Briac]

Read these:-

You guys just don't get it.

The title of this thread is "Disappointed Cleric" and it was presented with no hate or malice.

Elixa and his wife have been playing on this server for 2.5 years hanging out, doing their thing, and then one day...

BOOM Ragefire is up and people are available and today looks like the day he is finally going to get his clicky rez! So they are, IN Sol B killing FGs, getting this done

and then....

Luchino, who was admittedly "snoozing on the job" and "doing this for the money", CLEARLY noticed what was going on and deliberately fucked them. He fucked everyone who was there in support of this cleric. For the money.

That's just plain awful.

Will it get you suspended? Seems not. Should it get you and those who participated shunned by the server. Absolutely.


I am disappointed for you, Elixa, and thank you for sharing your experience. It is important to know what kind of people are in your community. I hope you find another opportunity to get your epic soon.


The first page of this thread made me sad for the community.

I am so tired of seeing what I call "teenager logic" applied in so many topics in these forums. Teenager logic is the term I use when someone is only interested in "technically correct" instead of the "spirit of an idea".

Dad gets angry at his 17 year old son for something and tells the kid he can't drive the family's car that weekend. When dad catches his kid driving a friend's car on Saturday, he confronts the kid. The kid reminds his dad that he said he couldn't drive the family car. The kid understands that his dad didn't want the kid to drive at all, but... the kid is technically correct.

Folks that aren't sociopathic understand when they are being pissy to somebody else. I'd wager we don't have an end game population here that is comprised of 25%+ sociopaths.

Why oh why do folks have to be so technically correct to one another?


To answer what was asked several times:

While mostly everyone was raging in their own way when this happened, I was there and did contact Zagum during the event. I wish I could just paste the log but I can't, but here's roughly what I said to him:

"Hey there, I assume it is pointless to ask for you to let our lvl-60-without-epic-cleric-for-way-too-long loot the heart and let you keep the rest of the drops?"

to what he (again, roughly) answered:

"Hello, sorry things have gotten a bit messy, but we've been camping this for hours and have a cleric who needs it"

to what I said

"Ok thanks, gratz to him then. Bye"

I think, Zagum, you can confirm this is true.

It's prolly too late for this now. But my personal feeling is that since you guys claim to be nice chaps and that this is more of a sorry incident than an on-purpose douchebaggery move - why not simply have offered to let Elixa get the heart next time if he throws in his pearl instead of one of yours next time the occasion presents itself. Or even better offer him one of the hearts you have for sale for free against the promise of him giving you his pearl next time.

I think having offered that either during the events or whenever after IG or in this thread would've easily turned such a drama-filled thread into a peaceful happy ending to the story, and everyone's reputation would be unharmed. But well, as you said, apparently what's done is done.

I'm not judging anyone though, we all know what the HL scene of p99 is like, and I find it sad as many of us do, but that won't change it. Our politic at Europa is to stay away as much as possible from the general inter-guild drama going on, but sometimes we're just confronted to it which is why I'm posting now. I just feel terribad for Elixa who really is a friendly and helpful guy who deserved this chance to get his epic, finally. Just don't give up mate, we'll get it sooner or later :)

Let's all hope Velious comes out tomorrow to help a bit with these problems, right? :D

The above posts are fair and IMO are trying to redirect the issue back on track. And to be quite honest I wouldn’t want TMO killing the mob for me just to get my epic, I say stand back and give me a f*ing chance to swing my own damn sword!

The past has no power to stop you from being present now. Only your grievance about the past can do that. What is grievance? The baggage of old thought and emotion. - Lao Tzu

I wish people took their baggage elsewhere, this conversation is legit way of expressing disappointment, its is then just cluttered with spin spin spin. If you still think Elixa was wrong to post, start from the top of this post and read again, rinse repeat until you GET IT.

Good luck on your Epic Elixa!

[Luchino]

in other news: ragefire is up and im out of pearls!

[Ele]

in other news: ragefire is up and im out of pearls!

http://i.imgur.com/FRgD1nJ.jpg

[Lagaidh]

You don't give yourself enough credit, you do see the "pro" of this attitude:

Your issue (and you are not alone in this), is that you have a hard time comprehending and acknowledging that people would be so immature about 14 year old pixels. Winning sounds hollow to you when it was done 14 years ago and all the strategies on how to accomplish it are published and freely available.

I see all that. I guess what I have a hard time understanding is the motivation for the win. Just like you said...

[Raavak]

fuck tmo

[Splorf22]

I see all that. I guess what I have a hard time understanding is the motivation for the win. Just like you said...

I think there are two groups of people who came to this server.

The first group thought 'oh man oh man. I wasted so much time in college playing this game. It's going to be fun to relive some memories! And I'll be able to see some zones that I didn't get to see before.'

And the second group thought 'oh man oh man. This time I can actually get all that gear that I never got on live. I can be the uber one, just like Guild X that cockblocked me on live'.

[Uggme]

And the second group thought 'oh man oh man. This time I can actually get all that gear that I never got on live. I can be the uber one, just like Guild X that cockblocked me on live'.

Why would anyone want to be THAT person? At least on Druzzil Ro those people were shunned and left to do things with their collection of shady and rude people. Entire guilds would be broken up over how the server reacted to nonsense by the members.

I personally learned a lot about the three people involved in the incident. I don't care if TMO has been on the top of the raiding scene for nearly a year - It will take some time and convincing to get me to think they're a stand up guild. Especially since it seems they have no desire to police their own and, apparently, condone this behavior.

[sulious]

Every MAIN-Cleric should have a chance to kill Ragefire! And if you see a group just 3 grouping Rage then in all honesty they don't need ragefire that bad ! BACK DOWN!

[Gadwen]

I blame RnF

[Servellious]

You guys just don't get it.

The title of this thread is "Disappointed Cleric" and it was presented with no hate or malice.

Elixa and his wife have been playing on this server for 2.5 years hanging out, doing their thing, and then one day...

BOOM Ragefire is up and people are available and today looks like the day he is finally going to get his clicky rez! So they are, IN Sol B killing FGs, getting this done

and then....

Luchino, who was admittedly "snoozing on the job" and "doing this for the money", CLEARLY noticed what was going on and deliberately fucked them. He fucked everyone who was there in support of this cleric. For the money.

That's just plain awful.

Will it get you suspended? Seems not. Should it get you and those who participated shunned by the server. Absolutely.


I am disappointed for you, Elixa, and thank you for sharing your experience. It is important to know what kind of people are in your community. I hope you find another opportunity to get your epic soon.

Sucks balls man, most of us have dealt with them on this server and shit like this for the past year. It will happen again is sad part, either fight agains the idiots or do your best to make sure you dont get sniped again.

[Lanuven]

Holy hell this is still going. I quit reading and responding on page 6 or something.

Everything that's said here wont change the way they think about loot and rules. Selfishness cant be changed.

[Thana8088]

Why would anyone want to be THAT person? At least on Druzzil Ro those people were shunned and left to do things with their collection of shady and rude people. Entire guilds would be broken up over how the server reacted to nonsense by the members.

I personally learned a lot about the three people involved in the incident. I don't care if TMO has been on the top of the raiding scene for nearly a year - It will take some time and convincing to get me to think they're a stand up guild. Especially since it seems they have no desire to police their own and, apparently, condone this behavior.

I hear ya, Ugg. Wish we could have classic Druzzil Ro. :)

[bizzum]

The skimming I've done through this thread makes it sound like zag would indeed be more than willing to help you, its just this instance there was a lack of communication and pixels involved.

hes stated before that he has killed rf for clerics giving them the heart and keeping the loot. Fair negotiation to me.

I'd ask him the next time hes doing it if he could shoot you a quick tell, if youve been after it for as long as you say I imagine hed have no qualms giving you the heart, as hes stated hes given it to cleric alts that need it...

I sure would have helped...even offered to let them know the next time I saw RF up (that detail was left out!). Not that anybody in this particular thread cares!!

Back to calling me a greedy asshole son of a bitch basement dwelling tit baby.

[Raavak]

100 Best Movie Insults of All Time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSEYXWmEse8)

[Lyra]

100 Best Movie Insults of All Time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSEYXWmEse8)

Love it

[Atmas]

You guys just don't get it.

Luchino, who was admittedly "snoozing on the job" and "doing this for the money", CLEARLY noticed what was going on and deliberately fucked them. He fucked everyone who was there in support of this cleric. For the money.


This made me laugh hard. It's like one of those sitcoms where there are multiple flashbacks with different details that are attuned to that person's bias. In this version Zagum has devil horns and is maniacly laughing as he menacingly rubs his hands together. It also turns out he wasn't camping Ragefire he was infact camping the OP cleric. Waiting for his dreams to pop so he could slay them.

I have to say, the best renditions are from the people who weren't there.

[bizzum]

Harrison being Harrison and nobody caring

[maverixdamighty]

zagum eats babies, that is all.

[bizzum]

zagum eats babies, that is all.

Now we are getting somewhere!!

[TotallyLegit]

Just because you and Luchino don't care about the players on this server doesn't mean everyone feels that way. Luchino made it clear that it's just "drama" and "money" to you. To other people, it's a long-awaited epic and one of the major in-game goals.

[Atmas]

Just because you and Luchino don't care about the players on this server doesn't mean everyone feels that way. Luchino made it clear that it's just "drama" and "money" to you. To other people, it's a long-awaited epic and one of the major in-game goals.

So what you are saying is you have hate for anyone who invested a lot of time saving up their money to get last epic piece? Also other people who got help to get last epice piece but didn't happen to be the person who didn't get it this time and made a post.

[bizzum]

As stated earlier, I've helped many people and allowed other groups to achieve their long-awaited epic and their major in game goal. I don't think this one instance can assume the generalization that I don't care about other players. I think, too, that *most* people here realize this.

Like I said, even offered to notify them when I saw RF up the next time, and probably would have offered to help kill it then too! That's not the text you want to read, though.

[TotallyLegit]

You have stated what you "WOULD" do, but how about explaining what you DID do? Why didn't you just let them have their raid?

[Arrisard]

I have a hard time understanding

I'll bite.

People like Loraen think there are only two kinds of people that play on this server, and it seems a lot of people share his sentiment. The good and the bad, the black and the white, casual and harcore, whatever stupid labels you wish to put on it. The reality is that there are thousands of shades of grey, and there's one for every single person that logs on. People seem to expect others just kowtow to their set of arbitrary unspoken rules without question everytime another person comes around. And when people don't agree with their unspoken expectations, man, get those pitchforks and banhammers ready for those unemployed basement dwelling sociopaths. If you don't give me what I want, you've got the mind of an immature teenager rebelling against his parents.

Yeah, you can keep that "maturity" :rolleyes:

The real thing I find immature is that people can't handle disappointment in the 14 year old elf simulator, especially this one. But that's how it is and always will be; the ones who can just say "Gee whiz, I guess I'll have learn and do better next time" and move on right then and there. Those people don't come to the forums with a wall of text of how sad they are over the mean man who didn't give them what they wanted when they wanted because they said so. It happens on every level, from Pyzjn to Phinni to Phara Dar. Some will come screaming for blood, wanting accounts banned, guilds disbanded, banks wiped, characters deleveled, you fuckin' name it just so they don't have to suffer the absolute injustice of not getting what they feel you should be giving them.

And you know what, I feel for OP. I really do, I've been there; everyone has. Anyone who tells you they've never lost to someone better, faster, or just plain luckier on this server is absolutely full of shit or they haven't stepped out of their newb zone for longer than 5 minutes. It's part of the game as it stands, classic or unclassic, better or worse. I learned a long time ago that you win some and lose some and there is always tomorrow; and in the case of Ragefire, that is literally the case.

But that's the way it is in both life and apparently online video games as well. Everyone thinks they got it figured out, that their set of unspoken rules are somehow worth more than everyone else's.

You can justify it any way you want, but in the end it's all it is; bullshit justifications. For example, people like to point out it's for a MAIN as opposed to someone's bank account. I don't really feel your, or my, pixels are more more deserving. Doesn't matter if it's for my bank account, my 10th alt, or your first and only character. I only deserve what I put into the character, I don't try and conjure up some bullshit reasons why my pixels are oh so more important than yours. I don't feel there isn't really anything to understand more then that, you feel one way and I feel another. Main vs alts, nb4g, whatever.

You all can cut up my post and respond meticulously how wrong I am, that you're right and that's all there is to it. But none of that even really matters in the end. It doesn't matter how many corpses you drag out of places, how far you go out of your way to res someone, how many items you hand out in EC, how much you help your fellow player. There are always going to be people arbitrarily shunning you for breaking their own made up rules and niceties no matter what you do. So I don't understand how this is so hard to grasp; You don't care about others judging you for what you are doing you feel is right or fair, in the exact same sense your judgements roll off my back, and the ones I pass on to others so on and so forth. All the way up and down the entire expanse of opinions of the entire playerbase.

TL:DR So keep your grudges and crusades, cling to the self righteous tears, bitch and moan that life isn't fair and you deserve more. We're all a bunch of self righteous fucksticks to some degree who really have no room to talk about who deserves what in the end.

[Arrisard]

I like turtles.

[Clark]

How is Zagum not banned for RMT yet? rofl

[diplo]

I'll bite.

People like Loraen think there are only two kinds of people that play on this server, and it seems a lot of people share his sentiment. The good and the bad, the black and the white, casual and harcore, whatever stupid labels you wish to put on it. The reality is that there are thousands of shades of grey, and there's one for every single person that logs on. People seem to expect others just kowtow to their set of arbitrary unspoken rules without question everytime another person comes around. And when people don't agree with their unspoken expectations, man, get those pitchforks and banhammers ready for those unemployed basement dwelling sociopaths. If you don't give me what I want, you've got the mind of an immature teenager rebelling against his parents.

Yeah, you can keep that "maturity" :rolleyes:

The real thing I find immature is that people can't handle disappointment in the 14 year old elf simulator, especially this one. But that's how it is and always will be; the ones who can just say "Gee whiz, I guess I'll have learn and do better next time" and move on right then and there. Those people don't come to the forums with a wall of text of how sad they are over the mean man who didn't give them what they wanted when they wanted because they said so. It happens on every level, from Pyzjn to Phinni to Phara Dar. Some will come screaming for blood, wanting accounts banned, guilds disbanded, banks wiped, characters deleveled, you fuckin' name it just so they don't have to suffer the absolute injustice of not getting what they feel you should be giving them.

And you know what, I feel for OP. I really do, I've been there; everyone has. Anyone who tells you they've never lost to someone better, faster, or just plain luckier on this server is absolutely full of shit or they haven't stepped out of their newb zone for longer than 5 minutes. It's part of the game as it stands, classic or unclassic, better or worse. I learned a long time ago that you win some and lose some and there is always tomorrow; and in the case of Ragefire, that is literally the case.

But that's the way it is in both life and apparently online video games as well. Everyone thinks they got it figured out, that their set of unspoken rules are somehow worth more than everyone else's.

You can justify it any way you want, but in the end it's all it is; bullshit justifications. For example, people like to point out it's for a MAIN as opposed to someone's bank account. I don't really feel your, or my, pixels are more more deserving. Doesn't matter if it's for my bank account, my 10th alt, or your first and only character. I only deserve what I put into the character, I don't try and conjure up some bullshit reasons why my pixels are oh so more important than yours. I don't feel there isn't really anything to understand more then that, you feel one way and I feel another. Main vs alts, nb4g, whatever.

You all can cut up my post and respond meticulously how wrong I am, that you're right and that's all there is to it. But none of that even really matters in the end. It doesn't matter how many corpses you drag out of places, how far you go out of your way to res someone, how many items you hand out in EC, how much you help your fellow player. There are always going to be people arbitrarily shunning you for breaking their own made up rules and niceties no matter what you do. So I don't understand how this is so hard to grasp; You don't care about others judging you for what you are doing you feel is right or fair, in the exact same sense your judgements roll off my back, and the ones I pass on to others so on and so forth. All the way up and down the entire expanse of opinions of the entire playerbase.

TL:DR So keep your grudges and crusades, cling to the self righteous tears, bitch and moan that life isn't fair and you deserve more. We're all a bunch of self righteous fucksticks to some degree who really have no room to talk about who deserves what in the end.

Loraen is the people's champ.

[diplo]

zagums a good guy too.

[Arrisard]

Loraen is the people's champ.

Loraen is a chain that holds people back from true self empowerment.

Release your bonds of hypocrisy and fight for your freedom, people!

[diplo]

and all who know NIZZLER, TELL THAT MAN TO CHECK HIS PMs!

Operation "Give me Senim" is in order.

[burkemi5]

How is Zagum not banned for RMT yet? rofl

because he doesn't RMT

[webrunner5]

This game is like real life people. There are people that are Pit bulls, and people that are pretty blue Butterflies. Guess who wins the gold in RL and on here.

This game has ALWAYS leaned toward the Hard Core Raiders. Now and back in 1999. It pissed me off then and still does now. But history proves it ain't going to change. If you deleted every account on TMO guess what FE would be the new top hated guild just like IB was before TMO. Every server on live had a top dog cockblocking guild and you know it. Everyone on here has a LOT better chance of getting good gear than live ever was. It took years to get to 55 or so and good luck with a epic.

The Devs have been pretty hands off on here except for 2 boxers, just plain cheating etc., but I don't see them cracking down on account trading. I may have read something about it from Sirken but I still don't think it hurts the server that much.

[Splorf22]

Loraen is the people's champ.

FWIW I don't judge. I'm probably closer to Web on this one: my point is only that some people are here for serious pixel accumulation, some are not, and because of the way EQ in general and this emu in particular work the 'hardcore' get the vast majority of the pixels, while the casuals write posts like the OP.

[Eccezan]

This thread has been in server chat for FAR too long. All you pussies that wanna cry about not getting your epic. How bout manning up and doing what it takes to get it.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/124395/2459153-your-tears-are-delicious.jpg

[Eccezan]

Queen of the pussies.

[TotallyLegit]

How bout manning up and doing what it takes to get it.


WHAT THE FUCK else are they suppose to do other than see it's up, assemble a raid force and start making their way to Ragefire?



OR by "manning up" do you mean hand over 100000 plat?

[Eccezan]

WHAT THE FUCK else are they suppose to do other than see it's up, assemble a raid force and start making their way to Ragefire?



OR by "manning up" do you mean hand over 100000 plat?

Bring it harder.

[TotallyLegit]

Bring it harder.

Meaning?

[Eccezan]

Meaning?

Bring it harder = Whatever you need it to mean to get the mob.

[Gadwen]

Trying hard to get this thread moved to RnF, how cute.

[Eccezan]

http://trollinator.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/6812771_460s_v1.jpg

[azxten]

The TMO philosophy is that if a newb in Crushbone doesn't get a tunic from Emperor Crush they have helped prevent future competition.

In reality TMO is just a core of about 5-10 people on the server who are overly competitive. They've abandoned all moral or ethical concerns in the pursuit of power.

This is pretty common to see in real life too. See politicians, businessmen, etc.

The difference is that apparently this core of 5-10 people leading TMO aren't capable of doing this in real life for one reason or another so they do it in a video game.

I mean, I know from experience that TMO leadership spends pretty much 24 hours a day On Call to a video game. You can't compete with that, don't even try or you'll just get burnt out.

How can you kill that which has no life?

http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s10e08-make-love-not-warcraft

Everyone outside the "core" of TMO is pretty reasonable and nice. They just have no alternative to compete with these overly competitive losers.

[Rhambuk]

great post ecce

[nuglord]

sorry to hear for your loss, same thing happened to my friend a few months back. he told me RF was up, was trying to get his cleric epic for a while. said toon was in BDA, he said that BDA wouldnt be bothered by being outforced by TMO so they wouldnt try. me and a few FE buddies tried to help but i believe the same trio was there.

not only that but he trolled the BDA cleric into thinking they would give him a pearl, at the end they said to fuck off pretty much.

[Ele]

sorry to hear for your loss, same thing happened to my friend a few months back. he told me RF was up, was trying to get his cleric epic for a while. said toon was in BDA, he said that BDA wouldnt be bothered by being outforced by TMO so they wouldnt try. me and a few FE buddies tried to help but i believe the same trio was there.

not only that but he trolled the BDA cleric into thinking they would give him a pearl, at the end they said to fuck off pretty much.

The credibility and veracity is just oozing out of this post.

[TotallyLegit]

The credibility and veracity is just oozing out of this post.

What does Eccezan's post ooze?

[azxten]

What does Eccezan's post ooze?

It doesn't really matter. Everyone knows TMOs leadership sucks. Deal with it.

Do you get upset that Bill Gates has too much money and he won't give you a chance as CEO?

You either want loot bad enough to act like TMO or you don't. End of story.

Honestly, you aren't even trying that hard. You expect an epic because you just happened to log in while Ragefire was up? That doesn't sound very epic.

TMO is a bunch of losers, and you apparently don't even have the slightest bit of motivation to get your epic. Only one of these facts is keeping you from getting it.

You even have the death time now, man up.

[goshozal]

But "its competition" ahaah.

Thanks again,

I dont wana live in your world.


"You're in our world now!"

-Maksim Makiavelli

[Ele]

What does Eccezan's post ooze?

I don't know, I can't see them.

[TotallyLegit]

It doesn't really matter. Everyone knows TMOs leadership sucks. Deal with it.

Do you get upset that Bill Gates has too much money and he won't give you a chance as CEO?

You either want loot bad enough to act like TMO or you don't. End of story.

Honestly, you aren't even trying that hard. You expect an epic because you just happened to log in while Ragefire was up? That doesn't sound very epic.

TMO is a bunch of losers, and you apparently don't even have the slightest bit of motivation to get your epic. Only one of these facts is keeping you from getting it.

You even have the death time now, man up.


You. Still. Don't. Get. It.


Bottom line is TMO doesn't give a shit and never will. It's all about the cash.

[burkemi5]

This thread isn't about TMO. Zagum and Luchino do not equal TMO.

[stonez138]

This thread isn't about TMO. Zagum and Luchino do not equal TMO.

Yeah, because this is the only example of TMO being asshats. This is typical of TMO and if you think it's not, you need to get your head out of your ass.

[Clark]

This thread has been in server chat for FAR too long. All you pussies that wanna cry about not getting your epic. You need to come join us, and be our pawns. We won't really respect you, but we'll pretend at least.

[quido]

lol Clark why you so mad bro

[Clark]

because he doesn't RMT

ya right he lives at RF

[Swish]

There's greed out there beyond those 3 letters by the way guys, not sticking up for what happened in that instance but you've all seen what can go down with other spawns like Hadden/Dhamp/etc if a high level turns up and wants the kill.

Maybe a lesson for all us clerics who have yet to do the turn-in anyway ;)

[Clark]

lol Clark why you so mad bro

I'll forgive your misconception on the basis that most of you are cognitively delayed. <3

[quido]

fight me irl

[kotton05]

lol Clark why you so mad bro

Disappoint you no use pic

[quido]

pic is for when it doesn't include "lol"

[Vadd]

fight me irl

lol

[kotton05]

pic is for when it doesn't include "lol"

Ahhh, didn't know the stipulations on using the pic, I just like starring at that one. So unique and meaningful .

[Clark]

fight me irl

http://s12.postimg.org/69777f93d/27c3d806_cc09_4980_9c07_d681b0bd9dc9.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/69777f93d/)

[Loftus]

I didn't really care about any of the stuff in this thread, but seeing this has put me in a foul mood.

Jeremy, I am not a fan of yours, but I have to admit - this made me laugh. Good one.

[Freakish]

I was with bashyr, trying to help...I want to say tierael. The bda cleric. What bash said is how it boils down. They said he could have pearl, we stopped moving (which would not have mattered, we weren't close enough to beat them) and they just lol'd after RF died.

[Signal]

As stated earlier, I've helped many people and allowed other groups to achieve their long-awaited epic and their major in game goal. I don't think this one instance can assume the generalization that I don't care about other players. I think, too, that *most* people here realize this.

Like I said, even offered to notify them when I saw RF up the next time, and probably would have offered to help kill it then too! That's not the text you want to read, though.

Please... You are consistently at Ragefire with your little friends pretending like you own the spawn. You exact quotes to me were "Why should we allow you to spawn Ragefire when you guys got the last one". Acting like the spawn was your to dictate what people could or couldn't do with it. You may have helped someone when it benefited you before (Exp: You got a shot at loot that dropped off Ragefire by helping). But the times we had forces down there to kill it without your assistance on more than one occasion you act like you own the spawn and people need your permission to be there and spawn it.

Heck you and your own friends there admitted you did it solely for the PP... Which is fine I see nothing wrong with people spawning ragefire for loot.... When there isn't people there who have the force to kill it before you and actually need it for their epic. Like it has been pointed out Ragefire spawns a lot in a weekly span. Yet when you and your buddies see a raid force there before you (On several occasions now obviously) and it seems you can't weasel your way into a role of "Helping out" for loot.... You act like you own the spawn and people need your permission to spawn it. Don't try to act valiant when several people have seen how you have acted down there.

[Safon]

Wow, Zanderr turned to the darkside? Sad days :( dude used to be a cool down to earth person, did not expect the pixel addiction to take him

[zanderklocke]

Wow, Zanderr turned to the darkside? Sad days :( dude used to be a cool down to earth person, did not expect the pixel addiction to take him

what?

[bizzum]

what?

Being friends with me is not allowed.

[Clark]

I think there are two groups of people who came to this server.

The first group thought 'oh man oh man. I wasted so much time in college playing this game. It's going to be fun to relive some memories! And I'll be able to see some zones that I didn't get to see before.'

And the second group thought 'oh man oh man. This time I can actually get all that gear that I never got on live. I can be the uber one, just like Guild X that cockblocked me on live'.

lol

[Clark]

Please... You are consistently at Ragefire with your little friends pretending like you own the spawn. You exact quotes to me were "Why should we allow you to spawn Ragefire when you guys got the last one". Acting like the spawn was your to dictate what people could or couldn't do with it. You may have helped someone when it benefited you before (Exp: You got a shot at loot that dropped off Ragefire by helping). But the times we had forces down there to kill it without your assistance on more than one occasion you act like you own the spawn and people need your permission to be there and spawn it.

Heck you and your own friends there admitted you did it solely for the PP... Which is fine I see nothing wrong with people spawning ragefire for loot.... When there isn't people there who have the force to kill it before you and actually need it for their epic. Like it has been pointed out Ragefire spawns a lot in a weekly span. Yet when you and your buddies see a raid force there before you (On several occasions now obviously) and it seems you can't weasel your way into a role of "Helping out" for loot.... You act like you own the spawn and people need your permission to spawn it. Don't try to act valiant when several people have seen how you have acted down there.

http://s7.postimg.org/u4ns4obon/Gloves_are_off.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/u4ns4obon/)

http://s22.postimg.org/smubpmkfx/Gloves_Are_Off_1332427537.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/smubpmkfx/)

[zanderklocke]

Wow, Zanderr turned to the darkside? Sad days :( dude used to be a cool down to earth person, did not expect the pixel addiction to take him

I dunno man. I try to do what I find fun, and 95% of the time it doesn't interfere with anyone else.

I think every situation should be evaluated case by case, and in my opinion, I think this problem is between Zagum and the original poster because I don't know the full story. I can see how it is a bummer that the original poster didn't get his epic, but I don't know that I necessarily find it problematic that Zagum frequently does the camp to sell the item for money. Should Zagum have backed down if someone else was doing Ragefire for their epic...I'm not sure? In some regards, some might consider this to be like the Fungi camp; I've never been able to do it, nor will I ever be a desirable class for the camp because only duos and trios seem to do it. However, some people do it a lot and make a fair amount of money off it that allows them to purchase best in slot items. Would getting one Fungi make a great deal of difference to my bank account and the equipment I could afford on the server, yes. However, I don't plan on being eligible for the Fungi camp anytime soon. I know this isn't a perfect analogy, but in my opinion, it's somewhat similar.

Hopefully, the original poster gets the epic soon and maybe can work something out with whoever might be in the lair planning to do a Ragefire spawn if they are doing it for loot/cash instead of the actual epic piece.

However why I'm really responding to your message is the pixel addicted part. To say I'm pixel addicted is a bit of an overstatement I think, and in fact, that statement bothers me a great deal, as I highly value my reputation with friends and acquaintances on this server. Sure, I try to upgrade my character, but I've never stepped on someone else to do it. I believe I have played completely fair in all situations. I can think of one time I participated in a sort of poopsock situation, and the mob never spawned.

I'm not defending anyone or anything that took place, but I don't think that anyone on this thread knows the full story from all sides...this includes the participants that night. Furthermore, I don't think any post on this thread will change anyone's opinions about individuals, guilds, or this event; people have their predetermined opinions before even posting. In my opinion, the best way to win these forum post wars is to just not participate at all; I can't think of a time I've ever read a forum post and thought to myself, "Wow, I really think differently about things with much greater clarity."

Regardless, I'm the same person I've always been, and I view everyone on this server in the best possible light I can. I am friends with people in all guilds and have no quarrels with anyone on the server. I might butt heads with people sometimes, but I think at the end of the day, I firmly believe that most people here are good people, just sometimes competition over content brings out the rougher sides.

Good luck to the original poster, and if you need a bard to play resists when you attempt Ragefire, let me know.

[Lagaidh]

I'll bite.

People like Loraen think there are only two kinds of people that play on this server, and it seems a lot of people share his sentiment. The good and the bad, the black and the white, casual and harcore, whatever stupid labels you wish to put on it. The reality is that there are thousands of shades of grey, and there's one for every single person that logs on. People seem to expect others just kowtow to their set of arbitrary unspoken rules without question everytime another person comes around. And when people don't agree with their unspoken expectations, man, get those pitchforks and banhammers ready for those unemployed basement dwelling sociopaths. If you don't give me what I want, you've got the mind of an immature teenager rebelling against his parents.

Yeah, you can keep that "maturity" :rolleyes:

The real thing I find immature is that people can't handle disappointment in the 14 year old elf simulator, especially this one. But that's how it is and always will be; the ones who can just say "Gee whiz, I guess I'll have learn and do better next time" and move on right then and there. Those people don't come to the forums with a wall of text of how sad they are over the mean man who didn't give them what they wanted when they wanted because they said so. It happens on every level, from Pyzjn to Phinni to Phara Dar. Some will come screaming for blood, wanting accounts banned, guilds disbanded, banks wiped, characters deleveled, you fuckin' name it just so they don't have to suffer the absolute injustice of not getting what they feel you should be giving them.

And you know what, I feel for OP. I really do, I've been there; everyone has. Anyone who tells you they've never lost to someone better, faster, or just plain luckier on this server is absolutely full of shit or they haven't stepped out of their newb zone for longer than 5 minutes. It's part of the game as it stands, classic or unclassic, better or worse. I learned a long time ago that you win some and lose some and there is always tomorrow; and in the case of Ragefire, that is literally the case.

But that's the way it is in both life and apparently online video games as well. Everyone thinks they got it figured out, that their set of unspoken rules are somehow worth more than everyone else's.

You can justify it any way you want, but in the end it's all it is; bullshit justifications. For example, people like to point out it's for a MAIN as opposed to someone's bank account. I don't really feel your, or my, pixels are more more deserving. Doesn't matter if it's for my bank account, my 10th alt, or your first and only character. I only deserve what I put into the character, I don't try and conjure up some bullshit reasons why my pixels are oh so more important than yours. I don't feel there isn't really anything to understand more then that, you feel one way and I feel another. Main vs alts, nb4g, whatever.

You all can cut up my post and respond meticulously how wrong I am, that you're right and that's all there is to it. But none of that even really matters in the end. It doesn't matter how many corpses you drag out of places, how far you go out of your way to res someone, how many items you hand out in EC, how much you help your fellow player. There are always going to be people arbitrarily shunning you for breaking their own made up rules and niceties no matter what you do. So I don't understand how this is so hard to grasp; You don't care about others judging you for what you are doing you feel is right or fair, in the exact same sense your judgements roll off my back, and the ones I pass on to others so on and so forth. All the way up and down the entire expanse of opinions of the entire playerbase.

TL:DR So keep your grudges and crusades, cling to the self righteous tears, bitch and moan that life isn't fair and you deserve more. We're all a bunch of self righteous fucksticks to some degree who really have no room to talk about who deserves what in the end.

Actually, if you comprehend my posts, you'd see I'm one of the people trying to understand both sides.

Sorry that hit a nerve.

[Clark]

Being friends with me is not allowed.

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[falkun]

I firmly believe that most people here are good people

I like to believe this, and I even feel most of TMO's members are probably good people, but then you get the Eccezan's, Alarti's, and such of Norrath, who are not "most people". Even Zagum here offers to help people when they cannot amass their own raid force (seems like a fair trade in that instance, but not when the wanting cleric brings his own, adequate raid force).

Now, TMO is definitely not alone in this. FE/Slydexx stealing an eye, Perun ninja looting, VD mem-blurring, BDA training FC for Maestro, etc. are all examples of players getting greedy for pixels instead of respecting their fellow players. I don't care who commits the act, players should be above these actions for 14 year old pixels, and I'll call you out on it, whether publicly or via PM. Not confronting these actions only leads people to commit them and encourages the silence within the community. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

[maverixdamighty]

I like to believe this, and I even feel most of TMO's members are probably good people, but then you get the Eccezan's, Alarti's, and such of Norrath, who are not "most people". Even Zagum here offers to help people when they cannot amass their own raid force (seems like a fair trade in that instance, but not when the wanting cleric brings his own, adequate raid force).

Now, TMO is definitely not alone in this. FE/Slydexx stealing an eye, Perun ninja looting, VD mem-blurring, BDA training FC for Maestro, etc. are all examples of players getting greedy for pixels instead of respecting their fellow players. I don't care who commits the act, players should be above these actions for 14 year old pixels, and I'll call you out on it, whether publicly or via PM. Not confronting these actions only leads people to commit them and encourages the silence within the community. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

enough with fe/slydexx stealing an eye. fe didn't steal anything. i agree there are good people and more questionable people in every guild. labeling an entire guild for actions of a few is just something people try to conveniently do to get a point across or make accusations.

[falkun]

enough with fe/slydexx stealing an eye. fe didn't steal anything. i agree there are good people and more questionable people in every guild. labeling an entire guild for actions of a few is just something people try to conveniently do to get a point across or make accusations.

And that is exactly my point:
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
You, and probably most of FE, rightfully feel the Eye Slydexx gave to Visceral shouldn't reflect on all of you. But it does, and because you don't condemn the decision the rest of the server sees it that way. How loud does FE cry when a single player or two from TMO starts a CT DT cycle? In that instance, FE wants to paint all of TMO with one brush, but doesn't like this "Eye incident" painting all of FE with one brush. Stop being hypocritical.

[maverixdamighty]

And that is exactly my point:

You, and probably most of FE, rightfully feel the Eye Slydexx gave to Visceral shouldn't reflect on all of you. But it does, and because you don't condemn the decision the rest of the server sees it that way. How loud does FE cry when a single player or two from TMO starts a CT DT cycle? In that instance, FE wants to paint all of TMO with one brush, but doesn't like this "Eye incident" painting all of FE with one brush. Stop being hypocritical.

that's where we differ. just because chest has done plenty of douche things i don't attribute those actions towards you. i think that is ignorant and short-sighted.

your example of dt cycles is a poor one. those are not a single players action it's a coordinated effort.

we'll ignore the FACT that bda leadership (atleast 2 of them) came to this board flinging nothing but lies about FE "stealing the eye"...how many times did chest get called out even by his own guild for making stuff up in that thread? I lost count.

[falkun]

that's where we differ. just because chest has done plenty of douche things i don't attribute those actions towards you. i think that is ignorant and short-sighted.
I try to seperate the player and the guild, but I cannot honestly say your guild tag does not reflect on you as a player/person. Can you completely disassociate the player and the guild tag?
your example of dt cycles is a poor one. those are not a single players action it's a coordinated effort.
And BDA training FC for Maestro was the action of a single player too, but one raid force interfered with another. The line is VERY gray, Mav. It only takes 1 player to start a DT cycle, it only takes 1 FE app to ruin a guild image.

I brought up the Eye incident as a myriad of examples of players being greedy and other players condoning the actions. I don't see you getting mad that BDA trained FC or that VD mem-blurred in VP. You are cherry picking an example because you don't like it, even though it fits the argument from an unbiased viewpoint. Unlike you, I offered examples of where an interest of mine faltered, stop being hypocritical.

[maverixdamighty]

I try to seperate the player and the guild, but I cannot honestly say your guild tag does not reflect on you as a player/person. Can you completely disassociate the player and the guild tag?

And BDA training FC for Maestro was the action of a single player too, but one raid force interfered with another. The line is VERY gray, Mav. It only takes 1 player to start a DT cycle, it only takes 1 FE app to ruin a guild image.

i don't think you have to completely disassociate the player from the guild tag, but people usually have an agenda/reason for implying person x is like person y because they are in the same guild.

still think that's a poor example. if it was a single person doing it without being orchestrated or coordinated by the guild then it's not the same thing. dt cycles are started strategically to stall/stop a raid. regardless i'm leaving this conversation it's about cleric epic not the rest of the server.

edit: you also brought up the eye thing to take a shot at FE imo. it's been debated to death but FE did not steal anything from bda. that is a bda/slydexx issue and both sides have different stories on who the eye belongs to. i have no opinion as i wasn't there when it dropped.

[falkun]

That is completely incorrect Mav. I brought up the Eye incident as one example of many about how individual/small group greed has been the reason for hurtful actions against other individuals/groups. And that by condoning them, we are proliferating these actions. The sad part is, you are here debating with me about a single incident because it doesn't fit your viewpoint, and you are doing EXACTLY the thing I'm accusing the server as a whole of doing far too often: turning a blind eye because its "a bda/slydexx issue [even though Mav's guild mate benefited from it at the expense of BDA]."

[maverixdamighty]

That is completely incorrect Mav. I brought up the Eye incident as one example of many about how individual/small group greed has been the reason for hurtful actions against other individuals/groups. And that by condoning them, we are proliferating these actions. The sad part is, you are here debating with me about a single incident because it doesn't fit your viewpoint, and you are doing EXACTLY the thing I'm accusing the server as a whole of doing far too often: turning a blind eye because its "a bda/slydexx issue [even though Mav's guild mate benefited from it at the expense of BDA]."

could have left out fe and just mentioned slydexx and the eye, it was a jab. i already said i have no idea who is right/wrong in the eye incident. i was in the majority saying give bda back the next eye until your leadership douched it up. i still think you should get back the next eye, but i'm not slydexx's boss. so again, you are incorrect and making assumptions. Also, you are just projecting your viewpoint that we stole the eye. I'm fairly sure you weren't involved in the conversations between slydexx and whoever that led him to believe it was his eye to keep. So you are just as guilty for placing blame on individuals without having all the information necessary.

[falkun]

I could have also mentioned Sentenza/Tortue/Aalpha/etc. for the CT training, or Sadad/Deajay(me) for BDA/FC+Maestro, or Roran/Myu/Anthrax for VD mem blurring. But these actions taken by individuals were viewed by others as affecting the whole guild of the player that commits/committed them. You still continue to argue a single incident because you don't agree with it from your biased viewpoint.

"Projecting your viewpoint that we stole the eye." Can you seriously say that with a straight face? Even you admit the eye was taken erroneously (by your admission that you and the majority of FE felt the Eye should have been replaced).

This incident has been dragged through RNF, the "information necessary" is out there, not even privately hidden behind guild forums. Your hypocritical belief that this incident does/should not cast FE in a negative light while other incidents should cast negative shadows on other guilds is where the problem is here. FE, nor TMO, BDA, Divinity nor any other guild on this server is squeaky clean. It also takes constant effort by the members of their respective guild to keep their slates as clean as possible. By trying to sweep it under the rug, you are silently condoning the action. Back to my original point: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

Mav, I want to think you are a good man, stop letting evil triumph.