A slightly different narrative

[47shadesofgay]

"History is written by the victors". The phrase has been attributed to Napolean, Churchill, and many other famous leaders throughout our history, and it still stands true to this day.

In our case we have TMO claiming to be the victors and putting forth the notion that they have "ran" many a guild off this server (thats right devs, they are actually cheering about driving players away from your project!) with their superior mobilization and domination of raid spawns.

One such guild is Inglourious Basterds. TMO is said to have completely dominated them, both inside and out of Veeshan's Peak so badly that these poor souls had no recourse but to stop playing the game altogether, sell off their characters, and drop in every now and then to poke fun at the mighty TMO with much shame.

Or so goes the narrative, according to and written by TMO. Thankfully we live in a digital era where information is stored as 1's and 0's in a database and we can reflect upon this data later on in order to establish a more accurate representation of what really happened.

With that in mind, one might begin to wonder, just how badly did TMO dominate those other guilds? Surely it must be far worse than they are dominating FE, because FE is still around despite all of this. Those other guilds must have went months without killing anything!

Well my friends, thanks to the digital age in which we live, we can answer some of those questions. In particular, let's take a peak at IB's last week of posted attendance on the server (2/10-2/16):

http://i.imgur.com/n7PENiD.jpg

In total, there were 22 targets on this list after removing the VS dupe, and adding the draco/shisar to its own line. Cleaning up our list further, we can remove things like Maestro, ragefire, shissar, noble and Innoruuk since it was listed as a fail we are still presented with a pretty admirable list of 14 mobs.

Let's look at that list:
Severilous
Trakanon
Venril Sathir
Silverwing
Xygoz
Lord Nagafen
a Dracoliche
Phara Dar
Nexona
Gorenaire
Cazic Thule
Draco
Severilous
Trakanon

The list includes: 4VP dragons, 2 Trakanons, 2 Sevs, 2 Dracos, 1 VS, 1 CT, 1 Gore, and 1 Naggy.

This seems like quite the list for a guild that is being starved of mobs and bested by another, wouldn't you say? Makes you wonder what else TMO has said that isn't fully accurate..

Stay safe kids.

[Csihar]

Hehehe good thread m8

[radditsu]

winner winner chicken dinner

[Alarti0001]

"History is written by the victors". The phrase has been attributed to Napolean, Churchill, and many other famous leaders throughout our history, and it still stands true to this day.

In our case we have TMO claiming to be the victors and putting forth the notion that they have "ran" many a guild off this server (thats right devs, they are actually cheering about driving players away from your project!) with their superior mobilization and domination of raid spawns.

One such guild is Inglourious Basterds. TMO is said to have completely dominated them, both inside and out of Veeshan's Peak so badly that these poor souls had no recourse but to stop playing the game altogether, sell off their characters, and drop in every now and then to poke fun at the mighty TMO with much shame.

Or so goes the narrative, according to and written by TMO. Thankfully we live in a digital era where information is stored as 1's and 0's in a database and we can reflect upon this data later on in order to establish a more accurate representation of what really happened.

With that in mind, one might begin to wonder, just how badly did TMO dominate those other guilds? Surely it must be far worse than they are dominating FE, because FE is still around despite all of this. Those other guilds must have went months without killing anything!

Well my friends, thanks to the digital age in which we live, we can answer some of those questions. In particular, let's take a peak at IB's last week of posted attendance on the server (2/10-2/16):

http://i.imgur.com/n7PENiD.jpg

In total, there were 22 targets on this list after removing the VS dupe, and adding the draco/shisar to its own line. Cleaning up our list further, we can remove things like Maestro, ragefire, shissar, noble and Innoruuk since it was listed as a fail we are still presented with a pretty admirable list of 14 mobs.

Let's look at that list:
Severilous
Trakanon
Venril Sathir
Silverwing
Xygoz
Lord Nagafen
a Dracoliche
Phara Dar
Nexona
Gorenaire
Cazic Thule
Draco
Severilous
Trakanon

The list includes: 4VP dragons, 2 Trakanons, 2 Sevs, 2 Dracos, 1 VS, 1 CT, 1 Gore, and 1 Naggy.

This seems like quite the list for a guild that is being starved of mobs and bested by another, wouldn't you say? Makes you wonder what else TMO has said that isn't fully accurate..

Stay safe kids.

Of the same selection of mobs over the same days TMO got 22. Only 8 more kills.

I do enjoy your cherry-picking however. Maybe show a longer selection of raids, other than a 16 day period where IB got semi-close to our kill count.

[47shadesofgay]

I would like to see your 22 over that same period. It may be worth comparing notes. I'm sure you don't have any garbage in yours like failed raids, noble, sky bs or anything else.

Now who's cherry picking? Well besides Meccezan of course.

[47shadesofgay]

Here's everything back to late June since you asked. Pick as many cherries as you can. :)

http://i.imgur.com/WosoBKL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/oo46JuV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zz9bgsi.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/s65Z5QS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6OyukwS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eS4hfCW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3EpD1ja.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mkciTsP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/f4gamBq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WZLaJ3N.jpg

Let's see yours. :)

[Alarti0001]

I would like to see your 22 over that same period. It may be worth comparing notes. I'm sure you don't have any garbage in yours like failed raids, noble, sky bs or anything else.

Now who's cherry picking? Well besides Meccezan of course.

No nobles, maestros, or attempts.

Your words betray you... Im cherry picking, yet you havent seen my data? derper

[47shadesofgay]

If you've got nothing to hide, I suggest you post it. I'm not even doubting you, I just want to see. :)

[Alarti0001]

I would like to see your 22 over that same period. It may be worth comparing notes. I'm sure you don't have any garbage in yours like failed raids, noble, sky bs or anything else.

Now who's cherry picking? Well besides Meccezan of course.

http://i.imgur.com/NKyKYbx.png

http://i.imgur.com/i8K2mpi.png

[47shadesofgay]

So, according to your list, removing the same things that I did from 2/10-2/16:

Hoshkar
Inny
Talendor
Trak
Silverwing
Sev

That adds up to 6. So during IB's last logged week on the server per the attendance they got 14 mobs, and TMO got 6.

You're either a moron or oblivious, it can't be both. Thanks though. I didn't think you would post anything. :)

[Gwence]

why do people attempt to converse with alarti?

along with his 2 compadres autotunes and tiggles the 3 of them make up the MFMC (Massive Fucking Moron Crew)

I mean it's been a few years now it should be clear to everyone how incredibly idiotic these people are

/ignore them

[47shadesofgay]

This thread just took an unexpected turn towards awesome.. thanks for playing Alarti! :D

[47shadesofgay]

why do people attempt to converse with alarti?

along with his 2 compadres autotunes and tiggles the 3 of them make up the MFMC (Massive Fucking Moron Crew)

I mean it's been a few years now it should be clear to everyone how incredibly idiotic these people are

/ignore them

Look at what he posted.. he put his foot so far down his own throat he's going to be shitting rubber for weeks. I guess this is what happens when he tries to post actual facts.. he mistakes one guilds last 7 days of attendance for 16 of his own.

I would say moments like this are worth keeping him off ignore for. Hell if I didn't want to troll him I wouldn't have much of a reason to be here anyway. ;)

<3 u

[Alarti0001]

So, according to your list, removing the same things that I did from 2/10-2/16:

Hoshkar
Inny
Talendor
Trak
Silverwing
Sev

That adds up to 6. So during IB's last logged week on the server per the attendance they got 14 mobs, and TMO got 6.

You're either a mo. y n or oblivious, it can't be both. Thanks though. I didn't think you would post anything. :)


So you have a strong 6 day period and try to claim something? What about the previous 6 days or the following 6? Or the previous 3 months.

[47shadesofgay]

So you have a strong 6 day period and try to claim something? What about the previous 6 days or the following 6? Or the previous 3 months.

There is no following 6. This is the end of the line.

It's also a 7 day period. Hence the point of this thread, to show the last week. Do you even know what's going on?

[Alarti0001]

There is no following 6. This is the end of the line.

It's also a 7 day period. Hence the point of this thread, to show the last week. Do you even know what's going on?

Wrong ib was at raids past that date most notably on the 18th when perun ninja looted a ct skin

know your history scrub

[47shadesofgay]

Those never made it into the attendance tracking, clearly.

Derp.

[Ungriim]

Alarti gimmie a d/l link for that sweet IE UI

[Gwence]

^lol

[kotton05]

TMO has good run of kills = every other guild is dead. Tiggles n dicks need his head checked.

[Alarti0001]

Those never made it into the attendance tracking, clearly.

Derp.

Clearly... however they happened they were just so shameful following that they werent recorded.

[Alarti0001]

Alarti gimmie a d/l link for that sweet IE UI

Its classic! Plus IE is most compatible with some of my older software solutions we use at work :)

[Woahnelly]

Is that supposed to be a play on kibbles n bits? If so, I must say it's creative.

[Alarti0001]

TMO has good run of kills = every other guild is dead. Tiggles n dicks need his head checked.

Tiggles is trolling you fool. However, your performance has been decreasing for weeks now.

[kotton05]

Is that supposed to be a play on kibbles n bits? If so, I must say it's creative.

hehe +1 it was

[kotton05]

Tiggles is trolling you fool. However, your performance has been decreasing for weeks now.

Yea ever since we tried to kill in VP more routinely (with only 1 kill so far, couple really close) our kill ratio has fallen, no argument there!

Just the sways of p99 raiding, im glad TMO exists, competition is alot of fun, I really dunno how you did it for all this time w/o anyone really trying to contest spawns Alarti, +1 for dedication

[radditsu]

Its classic! Plus IE is most compatible with some of my older software solutions we use at work :)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/17/google_legacy_browser_support/


Too bad the way chrome updates sucks really bad. I really really do not want to use IE, but our financial software uses silverlight(uggh). I really wish we would not have hitched our wagon to that horse.

[Alarti0001]

Yea ever since we tried to kill in VP more routinely (with only 1 kill so far, couple really close) our kill ratio has fallen, no argument there!

Just the sways of p99 raiding, im glad TMO exists, competition is alot of fun, I really dunno how you did it for all this time w/o anyone really trying to contest spawns Alarti, +1 for dedication

Look at our pre-FE raid attendance..... people were bored as shit.

[kotton05]

Look at our pre-FE raid attendance..... people were bored as shit.

Yea man, did you ever try to kill a mob with the lowest amount of people poss? It'd be cool to try trak with 17 or something.

[Alarti0001]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/17/google_legacy_browser_support/


Too bad the way chrome updates sucks really bad. I really really do not want to use IE, but our financial software uses silverlight(uggh). I really wish we would not have hitched our wagon to that horse.

Microsoft has ways of making you use their shit... ugh.
Chrome is great for the sandboxing but its such a resource hog.

[Alarti0001]

Yea man, did you ever try to kill a mob with the lowest amount of people poss? It'd be cool to try trak with 17 or something.

We were considering a double dragon VP kill before the training started. Like a SW and Xygoz duo.

[kotton05]

That's be interesting and trivial. With how many folks tho? About 20 per so I see doing that At like 35 folks being nuts. I like to pull multiple reavers to make the last shamy fight more fun

[Alarti0001]

That's be interesting and trivial. With how many folks tho? About 20 per so I see doing that At like 35 folks being nuts. I like to pull multiple reavers to make the last shamy fight more fun

I dont know killing SW while healing 2 tanks plus a raid taking ae's and most of the raid not being able to nuke... wouldnt be toooo trivial.

But let me know when you kill either SW or Xygoz and tell me more about it :)

[radditsu]

Microsoft has ways of making you use their shit... ugh.
Chrome is great for the sandboxing but its such a resource hog.

Chrome does take a huge chunk of resources. But that bothers people who want to open like 50 tabs at a time(me). I hate not being able to tell it what to do. I shouldn't have to setup a policy that disables the service, or kill it entirely. I like the UI and wish we could use it more.

Also, what the heck is up with firefox lately. New releases just.....kinda suck. Really really heavy loads compared to older releases, for not much more benefit. Everybody started using it because IE was so sucky and bloated. Now look at it!

[Alarti0001]

Chrome does take a huge chunk of resources. But that bothers people who want to open like 50 tabs at a time(me). I hate not being able to tell it what to do. I shouldn't have to setup a policy that disables the service, or kill it entirely. I like the UI and wish we could use it more.

Also, what the heck is up with firefox lately. New releases just.....kinda suck. Really really heavy loads compared to older releases, for not much more benefit. Everybody started using it because IE was so sucky and bloated. Now look at it!

I am a 50 tabs kind of person.

[feanan]

nicely sidetracked into a browser discussion. well played, not your normal trash.

derp.

prove it.

vp bro.

[Mortiiss]

Tiggles is trolling you fool. However, your performance has been decreasing for weeks now.

Yea ever since we tried to kill in VP more routinely (with only 1 kill so far, couple really close) our kill ratio has fallen, no argument there!

Just the sways of p99 raiding, im glad TMO exists, competition is alot of fun, I really dunno how you did it for all this time w/o anyone really trying to contest spawns Alarti, +1 for dedication

It wasn't just our VP killing, it's server repops too. TMO tackles server repops really well, and that's why it appears we don't kill nearly as much as we used to. It's been going on for weeks now and it's changed the raiding scene quite a bit.

I can't speak for other members of FE, but I can definitely say that I can't make the repops all the time due to my work scheduling. It's easy to take a break and assist on a raid kill then go back to work, much harder to sit there for hours for an entire server repop.

This is a point I fail to see anyone mention in most threads. The new server repop stuff is what hurts FE the most, nothing more and nothing less. Don't get it twisted.

[Alarti0001]

It wasn't just our VP killing, it's server repops too. TMO tackles server repops really well, and that's why it appears we don't kill nearly as much as we used to. It's been going on for weeks now and it's changed the raiding scene quite a bit.

I can't speak for other members of FE, but I can definitely say that I can't make the repops all the time due to my work scheduling. It's easy to take a break and assist on a raid kill then go back to work, much harder to sit there for hours for an entire server repop.

This is a point I fail to see anyone mention in most threads. The new server repop stuff is what hurts FE the most, nothing more and nothing less. Don't get it twisted.

You are making very bad excuses with a very bad spin, nothing more and nothing less.

Also, this thread is now about Firefox vs Chrome vs IE

[radditsu]

You are making very bad excuses with a very bad spin, nothing more and nothing less.

Also, this thread is now about Firefox vs Chrome vs IE

Ever have any issues with chrome and podcasts? WTF and Harmontown do all kinds of fucked up things when I try to use it for my media consumption.

[Alarti0001]

Ever have any issues with chrome and podcasts? WTF and Harmontown do all kinds of fucked up things when I try to use it for my media consumption.

Chrome has consistent issues with Flash, and Adobe....however... what doesnt?

[radditsu]

Chrome has consistent issues with Flash, and Adobe....however... what doesnt?

You would think they would have fixed that by now. Flash has only been around since america was invented. That's what happens when you outsource code to the lowest bidder i guess.

[Alawen]

Ever have any issues with chrome and podcasts? WTF and Harmontown do all kinds of fucked up things when I try to use it for my media consumption.

I have issues like that. Is Harmontown good? I ran out of WTF the other night while I was painting and tried listening to Adam Carolla, but he was awful. I heard the Uh Yeah Dude guys on WTF and was thinking about trying that.

[Alarti0001]

You would think they would have fixed that by now. Flash has only been around since america was invented. That's what happens when you outsource code to the lowest bidder i guess.

The people making the hardware, tables, phones etc are trying to move away from Flash thankfully, but the content world hasnt got that memo... so annoying.

[radditsu]

I have issues like that. Is Harmontown good? I ran out of WTF the other night while I was painting and tried listening to Adam Carolla, but he was awful. I heard the Uh Yeah Dude guys on WTF and was thinking about trying that.

Harmontown has almost zero structure, routinely breaks down into complete and utter chaos. Sometimes completely and utterly uncomfortable. He will have relationship destroying fights with his girlfriend on stage. Then play D&D. Then drink moonshine a guy randomly brings up and becomes..quite raucous.


It's completely amazing.


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[Rhambuk]

We were considering a double dragon VP kill before the training started. Like a SW and Xygoz duo.

That is so so sad, to see vp a joke. Glad I never got to "experience" vp on p99 it would have just ruined what it was meant to be. 13 years later ill still hold onto my vp memories.

maybe someday it will get fixxed...

[47shadesofgay]

Let's get back on track for a second.

TMO claims they drove IB off the server and were dominating them.
I posted the last week of IB raids per the DKP (I later posted all raids back to late june)
Alarti posted some TMO raid attendances, showing tons of attempts.
Final weeks tally = IB: 14, TMO: 6.


Discuss.

[quido]

lol delusional mad still in denial

How many Crowns of Rile did IB get in that time? ;)

[radditsu]

Let's get back on track for a second.

TMO claims they drove IB off the server and were dominating them.
I posted the last week of IB raids per the DKP (I later posted all raids back to late june)
Alarti posted some TMO raid attendances, showing tons of attempts.
Final weeks tally = IB: 14, TMO: 6.


Discuss.

What browser do you use?

[47shadesofgay]

Denial of what? The attendance logs are right there for all to see, feel free to cherry pick. :D

[47shadesofgay]

I use Google Chrome at home and I.E. at work.

[quido]

pathetic moran

[47shadesofgay]

lol delusional mad still in denial

How many Crowns of Rile did IB get in that time? ;)

Since you asked.. the only PD in that last week didn't drop any crowns. She had claw/robe/earring

[radditsu]

I use Google Chrome at home and I.E. at work.

Good, im trying to keep this thread on track.


However I am glad IB was winning up until the moment they decided to cash out on their guildbank, make thousands of dollars, and then decide to mess around on the mac server. Leaving a power vacuum that was filled with the fattest, sociopathic, destructive guild to ever piss in a mountain dew bottle.

[quido]

grats retarded suspension for doing what IB couldn't - allow you VP kills!

[Alarti0001]

Let's get back on track for a second.

TMO claims they drove IB off the server and were dominating them.
I posted the last week of IB raids per the DKP (I later posted all raids back to late june)
Alarti posted some TMO raid attendances, showing tons of attempts.
Final weeks tally = IB: 14, TMO: 6.


Discuss.

Not final week. Come back with actualy data. Thanks for playing.

[Alarti0001]

Good, im trying to keep this thread on track.


However I am glad IB was winning up until the moment they decided to cash out on their guildbank, make thousands of dollars, and then decide to mess around on the mac server. Leaving a power vacuum that was filled with the fattest, sociopathic, destructive guild to ever piss in a mountain dew bottle.

For shame. Now you have to not only explain your definition of sociopathy, but you have to compare that to IB and other guilds on their server to demonstrate your claim :(

Young internet psychologist.

[Rhambuk]

I use Google Chrome at home and I.E. at work.

Fuck google chrome so SO hard right in its fucking asshole.

I'm a little bitter firefox stopped working and chrome is all im left with, god is it pure fucking shit....

[radditsu]

For shame. Now you have to not only explain your definition of sociopathy, but you have to compare that to IB and other guilds on their server to demonstrate your claim :(

Young internet psychologist.

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

I mean, from what I hear, IB was full of them as well. Your leadership is the definition of the qualities posted in the above link.

cept maybe:

Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity

I would go line by line and give examples, but i'm working on a thing.

[Alarti0001]

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

I mean, from what I hear, IB was full of them as well. Your leadership is the definition of the qualities posted in the above link.

cept maybe:

Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity

I would go line by line and give examples, but i'm working on a thing.

FE leadership is more fitting of those descriptions. Especially the feeling of entitlement(All of FE), lack of shame(See visc), pathological lying(sloan)

[47shadesofgay]

grats retarded suspension for doing what IB couldn't - allow you VP kills!

Perhaps you're not as smart as you think. The TMO and IB suspensions occured during the same time, and as Alarti pointed out it happened on the 2/18 CT where Perun ninja looted and destroyed the loot. Note the 4 days gab in your DKP after that.. that would be where you were suspended.

Your DKP clearly shows you raiding between 2/10 - 2/16. You got 6 mobs. IB got 14, including 4 in VP.

I also posted 8 months worth of raids, including many VP dragons.

So try again, what narrative would you like to attempt to craft? Hemmingway you are not.

Moron.

[47shadesofgay]

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

I mean, from what I hear, IB was full of them as well. Your leadership is the definition of the qualities posted in the above link.

cept maybe:

Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity

I would go line by line and give examples, but i'm working on a thing.

It's the "from what I hear" part that's upsetting. I think I've demonstrated fairly easily that you hear a mostly-TMO sided story, in RnF anyway. Having experience both, and been a member of both guilds I can honestly say that neither was perfect, but TMO and Zeelot in particular are complete sociopaths. Just read his post history.. all of his RnF posts are backhanded compliments, subtle "I'm the greatest in the universe" chest thumping and a bit of admitting he doesn't care officers in his guild actively participate in flaming others on the server.

Don't take this the wrong way.. IB/TR wasn't and is not perfect, but TMO leadership especially is fucking scary sociopathic.

[47shadesofgay]

What's wrong with Chrome anyway? I've ran various browser speed tests and it is always the fastest. Memory management with tabs could be improved, but I honestly think that Firefox is the worst.

IE is shit. I hate it

[bluejam]

You're a moron.
Fixed.

[quido]

IB couldn't secure even a single kill under duress. Even FE got one so far. Good job on your rotation dragons, shades - I hope you're proud.

you guys talk a lot of shit for a guild that dissolved

shit why not just talk about how hard you dominated at the beginning of 2010! grats bros, u rule

[getsome]

Malcolm calm down! Take your cheater girlfriend and Jeremy and have a threesome.

[47shadesofgay]

I've got Jeremy all riled up.

Priceless, what a moron!

I knew all it would take is facts. :)

[Alarti0001]

I've got Jeremy all riled up.

Priceless, what a moron!

I knew all it would take is facts. :)

All you did was post facts that don't support your claim. Gj? IB Knew they weren't getting another VP loot without a rotation.

[Alarti0001]

All you did was post facts that don't support your claim. Gj? IB Knew they weren't getting another VP loot without a rotation.

How many of those DKP awards were reversed? How many weren't recorded as Fail... why is your august screenshot hiding the notes section....?

[47shadesofgay]

Because that's the part I missed when screen grabbing?

Or maybe I was hiding "TMO Kite"?

Good work Sherlock.

[getsome]

why is your august screenshot hiding the notes section....?

because it contains nothing of value. but I realize this is how you justify your opinions.

http://i35.tinypic.com/x4gk0g.jpg


08/27/11 Sky OoA 1.00
08/26/11 a Dracoliche 1.00
08/24/11 a Dracoliche 1.00
08/24/11 Trakanon 1.00
08/22/11 Sky EoV sister 1.00
08/22/11 Sky Lord farm 1.00
08/22/11 Sky 1-4 kos 1.00
08/22/11 Innoruuk 1.00
08/22/11 Cazic Thule 1.00
08/22/11 Venril Sathir 1.00
08/22/11 Faydedar TMO Kite - No loot 1.00
08/22/11 a Dracoliche 1.00
08/22/11 Lord Nagafen 1.00
08/22/11 Talendor 1.00
08/21/11 a Dracoliche 1.00
08/21/11 Trakanon 1.00
08/21/11 Noble Djorn 1.00
08/20/11 Gorenaire 1.00
08/20/11 Lady Vox 1.00
08/19/11 Severilous 1.00
08/17/11 a Dracoliche 1.00
08/17/11 Sky 1.00
08/16/11 Sky 1.00
08/15/11 Sky 1.00
08/14/11 Lady Vox 1.00
08/14/11 Lord Nagafen Loot Taken 1.00
08/13/11 Gorenaire 1.00
08/13/11 Severilous 1.00
08/13/11 Sky Bee - Sister 1.00
08/13/11 Sky Eye of Veeshan 1.00
08/13/11 Cazic Thule 1.00
08/13/11 Gorenaire 1.00
08/13/11 Talendor 1.00
08/13/11 Severilous 1.00
08/13/11 Trakanon 1.00
08/13/11 Sky 1.00
08/13/11 Talendor 1.00
08/13/11 Lord Nagafen 1.00
08/13/11 Trakanon No lewts 1.00
08/12/11 a Dracoliche 1.00
08/12/11 Lady Vox 1.00
08/12/11 Venril Sathir 1.00
08/11/11 Innoruuk 1.00
08/10/11 Trakanon 1.00
08/10/11 Faydedar 1.00
08/09/11 a Dracoliche randomed crap loot 1.00
08/09/11 Cazic Thule 1.00
08/08/11 Sky 2.00
08/08/11 Trakanon 1.00
08/07/11 a Dracoliche 1.00
08/07/11 Severilous 1.00
08/07/11 Lord Nagafen 1.00
08/06/11 Sky 1.00
08/06/11 Lady Vox 1.00
08/06/11 Gorenaire 1.00
08/05/11 Venril Sathir pull to zone 1.00
08/04/11 Trakanon 1.00
08/04/11 Innoruuk 1.00
08/03/11 Sky Eye of Veeshan

[Alarti0001]

because it contains nothing of value. but I realize this is how you justify your opinions.

http://i35.tinypic.com/x4gk0g.jpg


08/27/11 Sky OoA 1.00
08/26/11 a Dracoliche 1.00
08/24/11 a Dracoliche 1.00
08/24/11 Trakanon 1.00
08/22/11 Sky EoV sister 1.00
08/22/11 Sky Lord farm 1.00
08/22/11 Sky 1-4 kos 1.00
08/22/11 Innoruuk 1.00
08/22/11 Cazic Thule 1.00
08/22/11 Venril Sathir 1.00
08/22/11 Faydedar TMO Kite - No loot 1.00
08/22/11 a Dracoliche 1.00
08/22/11 Lord Nagafen 1.00
08/22/11 Talendor 1.00
08/21/11 a Dracoliche 1.00
08/21/11 Trakanon 1.00
08/21/11 Noble Djorn 1.00
08/20/11 Gorenaire 1.00
08/20/11 Lady Vox 1.00
08/19/11 Severilous 1.00
08/17/11 a Dracoliche 1.00
08/17/11 Sky 1.00
08/16/11 Sky 1.00
08/15/11 Sky 1.00
08/14/11 Lady Vox 1.00
08/14/11 Lord Nagafen Loot Taken 1.00
08/13/11 Gorenaire 1.00
08/13/11 Severilous 1.00
08/13/11 Sky Bee - Sister 1.00
08/13/11 Sky Eye of Veeshan 1.00
08/13/11 Cazic Thule 1.00
08/13/11 Gorenaire 1.00
08/13/11 Talendor 1.00
08/13/11 Severilous 1.00
08/13/11 Trakanon 1.00
08/13/11 Sky 1.00
08/13/11 Talendor 1.00
08/13/11 Lord Nagafen 1.00
08/13/11 Trakanon No lewts 1.00
08/12/11 a Dracoliche 1.00
08/12/11 Lady Vox 1.00
08/12/11 Venril Sathir 1.00
08/11/11 Innoruuk 1.00
08/10/11 Trakanon 1.00
08/10/11 Faydedar 1.00
08/09/11 a Dracoliche randomed crap loot 1.00
08/09/11 Cazic Thule 1.00
08/08/11 Sky 2.00
08/08/11 Trakanon 1.00
08/07/11 a Dracoliche 1.00
08/07/11 Severilous 1.00
08/07/11 Lord Nagafen 1.00
08/06/11 Sky 1.00
08/06/11 Lady Vox 1.00
08/06/11 Gorenaire 1.00
08/05/11 Venril Sathir pull to zone 1.00
08/04/11 Trakanon 1.00
08/04/11 Innoruuk 1.00
08/03/11 Sky Eye of Veeshan

I saw 2 raids there listed as reversed/loot taken etc... seems to be soem value.

[OMGWTF420]

are you guys seriously arguing over who killed what mobs 2 years ago?? fucking christ almighty you fuckers are sad

[Daldolma]

are you guys seriously arguing over who killed what mobs 2 years ago?? fucking christ almighty you fuckers are sad

alarti would argue against gravity if you told him TMO was dropping off

[Loly Taa]

are you guys seriously arguing over who killed what mobs 2 years ago?? fucking christ almighty you fuckers are sad

I have to agree with you man, I'm not even fucking this shit with Xzerion's dick. What's next? We dig up our DKP logs from live so we can argue about those? lol.

[Alarti0001]

alarti would argue against gravity if you told him TMO was dropping off

LOL...you do realize gravity would still have an affect in that situation?

[Autotune]

It's well known that Stealin killed IB.

[Tiggles]

It's well known that Tiggles killed IB.

[47shadesofgay]

Only IB could kill IB.

It takes a Demi-God such as Getsome destroyer of guilds, taker of vacations, and protector of the vale to dos o much damage.

He is the true king.

[Gwence]

tmo wasnt ready to raid seriously when the raiding was serious, fantastic excuse.

also guild was ultra slow at getting a raid force to 60 in kunark, again I'm sure it's cuz they werent ready at the time.

the biggest injustice to date on this server is bad GM's not opening VP on kunark launch, like you know, it was suppose to be.

you shit guild would have nothing to discuss had it been.


but as it happens I guess you can just keep clinging to those 3 big server firsts you have from a /random forced on by a gm.... in a zone IB was ready to clear 6 months? prior..


tmo so good lol

[Kimm Barely]

http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/66/de41043174de12e3331ee76e2a4c1339/l.jpg

[Autotune]

^ LOL

[Autotune]

tmo so good

GMs allowed TMO to catch up, IB got mad, TMO stomped IB in train wars of VP, IB got mad, non-factors like Gwence raged daily on forums, IB got mad, TMO kept TMOwning, IB got mad and left to die on EQmac.

[Kimm Barely]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m951shjLal1r68h3w.gif

[Alarti0001]

tmo wasnt ready to raid seriously when the raiding was serious, fantastic excuse.

also guild was ultra slow at getting a raid force to 60 in kunark, again I'm sure it's cuz they werent ready at the time.

the biggest injustice to date on this server is bad GM's not opening VP on kunark launch, like you know, it was suppose to be.

you shit guild would have nothing to discuss had it been.


but as it happens I guess you can just keep clinging to those 3 big server firsts you have from a /random forced on by a gm.... in a zone IB was ready to clear 6 months? prior..


tmo so good lol

Vice versa... IB wasnt ready to raid when the raiding was serious. Simple facts... you guys got beat, and fucked off with your tail between your legs to EQMac. You havent come back to p99 cause TMO is still here and you have no chance of beating us.

Proof is in the actions not in your hollow words years later.

[Alarti0001]

The key part of this being "the GMs allowed TMO"

GM corruption confirmed and admitted. (as if the entire server wasn't already aware of your cheating)

Where?

[Alarti0001]

Don't forget the GM corruption allowing you to blatantly exploit raid encounters nonstop for 2 years unchecked.

You can't forget that.

OOOo please... show me where?

[Autotune]

The key part of this being "the GMs allowed TMO"

GM corruption confirmed and admitted. (as if the entire server wasn't already aware of your cheating)

Yeah, cause Nilbog and Rogean really give a shit about what guilds are doing.

You should probably run your ideas by a 3rd party before being allowed to speak your mind after that beating those brave, upstanding, black gentlemen gave you for being an ignorant racist white trash street mongrel.

[OforOppression]

harrison is there a way you can remove me from spotify because i keep getting spammed by JOSHUA HARRISON IS NOW LISTENING TO AMON AMARTH

[getsome]

Server rank based on avg number of kills per era.

Data compiled by non-partisan young doctors and lawyers.

**Please note, Chart has been reduced in complexity to account for avg education level of posting site***



http://i45.tinypic.com/qp32oz.jpg

[47shadesofgay]

Vice versa... IB wasnt ready to raid when the raiding was serious. Simple facts... you guys got beat, and fucked off with your tail between your legs to EQMac. You havent come back to p99 cause TMO is still here and you have no chance of beating us.

Proof is in the actions not in your hollow words years later.

Where is your proof of this? That's the entire point of this thread, and it's been proven. IB had stretches where they didn't get particular mobs, and they got trained by TMO in VP that's true. TMO also had stretches where they didn't get mobs. It was back and forth.

In the OP I point out how the last week on the server IB had 14 logged kills that matter. Using the TMO attendance you provided, TMO only had 6. As you pointed out, and as the TMO logs show both guilds got suspended after CT on 2/18. IB never came back from this suspension, after Amelinda ninja-lifted TMOs ban and they had free reign over VP and all other content while IB was banned.

This was not the first time IB felt it had been incorrectly targeted (Uthgaard, accusing and burning an effigy of Xzerion in EC tunnel anyone?). Xzerion wanted to leave and go play on EQMac and Getsome (then the guild leader) was on hiatus. IB took their ball and went and played somewhere else.

That my friend, is simple facts, and the attendance logs even prove it. Hence why I made the thread. You can run around for the next 2 years (assuming your guild is still around) and claim you ran IB off the server, you were monopolizing content, and any damn thing you please.

All anyone is going to have to do is link to this thread, highlight exactly how IB went out (on top 14-6) and then you can keep spinning bullshit. People aren't stupid, they're looking at the same information you are and calling you a liar.

Keep lying if it makes you happy. History happened, facts have been presented. :)

[47shadesofgay]

That's a pretty funny pic, although there were admittitedly a few times where TMO had more kills than IB (during the round of suspensions and again after the first VP trains to name a couple) and I think DJ David Dere had checked out by then.

[Autotune]

I'm curious, who were getting all those mobs between guild leaves server and one day/night of fun?

Seems this chart is horribly inaccurate.

[Alarti0001]

They don't care, and that's the problem and why TMO has been allowed to fester for so long. (Other GMs complicit in your activities)

Also, don't rage out because you're now confirmed a cheater even harder

Harrison you have been going off on this diatribe for years......

Its time you..... prove it.

I challenge you.

[OforOppression]

are you amelinda? can you confirm she saw z-axis exploits that warranted a ban instead of just shit being made up in the fiery cesspit?

[Alarti0001]

It's been proven countless times.

Amelinda watched you z-axis exploit in VP for hours on end. Zero repercussions. That's just ONE instance. There's too many to list.

No it hasn't. Prove it with evidence son.

[Autotune]

They don't care, and that's the problem and why TMO has been allowed to fester for so long. (Other GMs complicit in your activities)

Also, don't rage out because you're now confirmed a cheater even harder

Confirmed, GMs are corrupt because they didn't do anything.

[kotton05]

Evidence... Doesn't matter. Even if credible it'll be set on spin cycle!

[Alarti0001]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=68664

Confirmed for the billionth time. Corrupt GM watches TMO exploit in VP for hours, nothing done about it.

Knowingly exploiting and allowed to do so with no repercussions. One instance from the innumerable.

LOL you are not understand how rules work. If it is legal before it become illlegal....all action prior to the rule change are still fine.

Dummy.

Try again.

[Alarti0001]

Evidence... Doesn't matter. Even if credible it'll be set on spin cycle!

Merkk's spell fizzles.

[Alarti0001]

Z-axis exploiting was never legal. Not at any point in the entire existence of this server.

You can't spin this.

Except it wasn't an exploit. Try again :)

[Alarti0001]

Pulling mobs through walls and ceilings intentionally is then called what? More lucky than exploit?

You're so delusional it's bordering on full blown downs.

Its called broken VP pathing... Ever been to VP on p99? Nope, you are just an ignorant tard who makes angry claims. Provide some evidence kiddo. This is a challenge.

[47shadesofgay]

Really.. you think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?

[47shadesofgay]

.

[kotton05]

You can pull not thru a wall. But that'd require no pathing exploits.

Checks dryer *spin cycle* (walks away)

[Alarti0001]

I posted the evidence of you being watched exploiting.

You're responding with, "HURRR DAT NOT EXPLOIT BCUZ ME SAID SO LOL PROVE IT"

It's actually pathetic that you can't even admit you're cheating at a 12 year-old elf simulator.

This is a 14 year old dwarf simulator.

As opposed to its exploit because you say so>?

Even the GM's said we weren't exploiting.

Post some evidence kid. So far you have accusation... no supporting facts.

[Kimm Barely]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxtp9eNmIr1qi494to1_500.gif

[Alarti0001]

facts posted

still says pulling through walls and ceilings more lucky than exploit

downs confirmed

Post evidence to support your claims. =) You have posted evidence, but not evidence that supports your claims. Do this or forever be remembered as the retard who quit years ago and avidly trolls the forums of a guild who smacked his peepee.

[47shadesofgay]

This is a 14 year old dwarf simulator.

As opposed to its exploit because you say so>?

Even the GM's said we weren't exploiting.

Post some evidence kid. So far you have accusation... no supporting facts.

How do you define exploiting? Are you essentially saying that since the GMs did not say it was exploiting and that it is ok, then it's not exploiting?

If Sirken makes a post tomorrow and says black is white, does that make it true?

Here's the definition incase you need a reminder:

exploiting present participle of ex·ploit (Verb)


Verb

1.Make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource): "500 companies sprang up to exploit this new technology".
2.Use (a situation or person) in an unfair or selfish way: "the company was exploiting a legal loophole".


Are you making the claim you've never done this?

[47shadesofgay]

Or are you just lying on the internet some more Alarti? :)

GMs don't define words, that's what dictionarys are for.

[Alarti0001]

Cheating at 12 year-old elf simulators and afraid to admit it

Is this a bot?

[Alarti0001]

Or are you just lying on the internet some more Alarti? :)

GMs don't define words, that's what dictionarys are for.

Dictionaries define some words. Some definitions don't apply to the world of MMO gaming. People define words. Then people put them in books.

Dictionaries are unthinking inanimate objects.

[quido]

Harrison making himself look ignorant without even knowing it!

[quido]

I guess they didn't teach Harrison about hide pulling in combat medic training :confused: :confused: :confused:

[OforOppression]

an iraqi down soldier's aggro mechanics are fucked up

[Kimm Barely]

http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/1446000/ngbbs3f8b72231574d.jpg

[47shadesofgay]

Harrison making himself look ignorant without even knowing it!

[Autotune]

Zero punishment for being watched while exploiting.

You stated that GMs were corrupt because they let TMO catch up. Amelinda had nothing to do with TMO catching up to IB.

Stick with your own train of thought.

[Gwence]

tmo's only response is they werent ready to raid so it doesnt count lol

pals we beat u to every mob since the inception of this server with the exception of 3 vp dragons which you were given by a GM

or you would have zero

beating ib when 80% of our memberbase was bored out of our skulls and quit from having killed everything on this server hundreds of times is not you winning, it's you losing to natural attrition

we even went and beat velious on mac lvl 60 with no aa's like 8 months ago, which is a more classic server, all the while you guys still hoping you get to see velious before our sun goes supernova.


y'all dumb

[Mortiiss]

You stated that GMs were corrupt because they let TMO catch up. Amelinda had nothing to do with TMO catching up to IB.

Stick with your own train of thought.

Amelinda helped a lot.

How is your account? What happened with that anyway?

[Alarti0001]

tmo's only response is they werent ready to raid so it doesnt count lol

pals we beat u to every mob since the inception of this server with the exception of 3 vp dragons which you were given by a GM

or you would have zero

beating ib when 80% of our memberbase was bored out of our skulls and quit from having killed everything on this server hundreds of times is not you winning, it's you losing to natural attrition

we even went and beat velious on mac lvl 60 with no aa's like 8 months ago, which is a more classic server, all the while you guys still hoping you get to see velious before our sun goes supernova.


y'all dumb

You didnt kill vp hundreds of times :)


Also, mac is far from classic it uses PoP era combat tables. derp.

[Alarti0001]

@gwence you are also more than welcome to come back for Velious and put your money where your mouth is.... but we all know that wont happen.

[Daldolma]

@gwence you are also more than welcome to come back for Velious and put your money where your mouth is.... but we all know that wont happen.

ya gwence stop being a moran and make a real bet so alarti can not pay up when you win

[Gwence]

ya you're right I forgot p99 doesn't operate off the titanium client circa 2008?

definitely far superior from a sony operated server locked in 2004

you like to use phrases like PoP combat tables often, but you have zero knowledge of what they actually mean, which is actually pretty consistent with your approach to everything else you try to write about.

[quido]

yeah clueless corrupt GM freaking out and later rescinding her dumb opinion

great proof ya moran

[Alarti0001]

ya you're right I forgot p99 doesn't operate off the titanium client circa 2008?

definitely far superior from a sony operated server locked in 2004

you like to use phrases like PoP combat tables often, but you have zero knowledge of what they actually mean, which is actually pretty consistent with your approach to everything else you try to write about.

LOL. Client = database? WHOA !? Really?

idjit your combat tables in PoP increasing the effect of ATK on DMG for melee and reducing the effect of mob melee dmg on Player characters. Also, nuking resist checks were reduced allowing nukers to do more dmg.

[Autotune]

Amelinda helped a lot.

How is your account? What happened with that anyway?

Yeah, Amelinda suspended us over bullshit several times. Helped so much. You probably wouldn't know though, because you were too busy farming orc 2.

[Mortiiss]

Yeah, Amelinda suspended us over bullshit several times. Helped so much. You probably wouldn't know though, because you were too busy farming orc 2.

Way off base, and I like that.

[Autotune]

Way off base, and I like that.

orc 1?

[Gwence]

maybe they dont have eq trilogy combat tables on mac but the difference is less than negligible, shit still hit hard as fuck, I still got resisted on my wizard plenty. Hell we only killed AoW legit like 2 or 3 times, every other guild has to kill him with 2 charm pets even the so called top guild on that server lol.

combat tables and anything else on p99 was put together from people's memories (which are almost always off) and the few tid bits of information people can find on the way back machine lol

only people that can make a truly classic server is sony and they say they dont have that information anyone which imo is really bad business management to not archive your own history, but whatever.

eq mac more classic than p99

Also if you took a poll I believe a strong majority of past/present EQ players would consider up to PoP expansion classic anyway.

[Autotune]

Also if you took a poll I believe a strong majority of past/present EQ players would consider up to PoP expansion classic anyway.

$100 you're wrong.

[sanforce]

$100 you're wrong.

[radditsu]

I loved all eq until GOD. But for some reason I just can't get into EQ Mac... The PC patched client just seems so laggy.

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

I loved all eq until GOD. But for some reason I just can't get into EQ Mac... The PC patched client just seems so laggy.

Same, I loved PoP, it was a challenge to get all the flags and beat Coirnav/Xegony/Quarm.

[Kruel]

$100 you're wrong.

I would say up to and including velious was classic.

[Rhambuk]

Also if you took a poll I believe a strong majority of past/present EQ players would consider up to PoP expansion classic anyway.

The turning point for me was luclin, preluclin classic = brad mcquaids vision. luclin post sony pumping out expansion severy 6 months for deeper pockets.

one could argue that luclin was classic as I believe i heard somewhere the original crew was working on it but then sold to sony during the process, just going by memory of what i thought i read.

Anyway I loved luclin raids and pop was fun all around for grouping and raiding. not sure what changed after pop but it just didnt feel like the same game. look at the god oow expansions they just dont feel like eq to me...

[Godefroi]

Velious was classic EQ.

I mean then verant got bought, and you knew the first second you got ported to the nexus for the first time you were playing a different game.

[Raavak]

"History is written by the victors". The phrase has been attributed to Napolean, Churchill, and many other famous leaders throughout our history, and it still stands true to this day.No, you are right. IB won and just all decided to RMT off their guildbank and go play on EQMac. In fact, IB is so good they still exist now. Our eyes are clouded and we just can't see their awesomeness and domination of the P1999 server right now.

But, yeah, you're right. IB won. Keep on rocking.

:rolleyes:

[finalgrunt]

No, you are right. IB won and just all decided to RMT off their guildbank and go play on EQMac. In fact, IB is so good they still exist now. Our eyes are clouded and we just can't see their awesomeness and domination of the P1999 server right now.

But, yeah, you're right. IB won. Keep on rocking.

:rolleyes:

Winners everywhere. Such a wonderful world! :o:o:o

[Rhambuk]

Winner winner chicken dinner? I don't think so! Winner Winner SHEEEEEN Dinner!

[47shadesofgay]

No, you are right. IB won and just all decided to RMT off their guildbank and go play on EQMac. In fact, IB is so good they still exist now. Our eyes are clouded and we just can't see their awesomeness and domination of the P1999 server right now.

But, yeah, you're right. IB won. Keep on rocking.

:rolleyes:


I'm sorry that people are still upset that IB left the server and made thousands of dollars when they decided they had encountered enough bullshit from various server staff. I'm also sorry we're still fairly close nit and play and troll together on lots of different servers and games currently.

Yes that is my definition of "winning" I guess. It's all in how you define it! If being the top raiding guild 2 years after Kunark was released with no release date for Velious in sight on a server with a proven history of corruption, RMTing and player hacking a year after "the other guys" took off is how you define winning then you too can be a winner!

We can all be winners! :D

[Alarti0001]

I'm sorry that people are still upset that IB left the server and made thousands of dollars when they decided they had encountered enough bullshit from various server staff. I'm also sorry we're still fairly close nit and play and troll together on lots of different servers and games currently.

Yes that is my definition of "winning" I guess. It's all in how you define it! If being the top raiding guild 2 years after Kunark was released with no release date for Velious in sight on a server with a proven history of corruption, RMTing and player hacking a year after "the other guys" took off is how you define winning then you too can be a winner!

We can all be winners! :D

TMO won before you left.... and if you call Kunark content winning... LOL


IB the only guild to define winning as losing. GG

[47shadesofgay]

Why are TMO members so upset that IB was the top guild and that they left and sold their stuff for thousands of dollars?

You guys could do the same at any time lol, nothing is stopping you from doing it. Why so much butt hurt about it? Is it because IB has all the server firsts and you feel unaccomplished? You admit to wanting Velious so badly yet you continue to play Kunark over and over and over. Do you need to put your name in the server first thread to feel good about yourself?

I think Gwence may have hit the nail on the head! You people are so angry all the time.

[bluejam]

No one is winning anything being the top dog or any kind of serious raiding guild on this server.

[47shadesofgay]

No one is winning anything being the top dog or any kind of serious raiding guild on this server.

Divinity confirmed only guild to win Project1999. Congrats Dvinity!

[Rhambuk]

Divinity confirmed only guild to win Project1999. Congrats Dvinity!

People that actually enjoy playing the game, I could call that winning.

[47shadesofgay]

People that actually enjoy playing the game, I could call that winning.

Truth. These people deserve some raid mobs if they want them. People not giving them any chances are assholes.

[Rhambuk]

Truth. These people deserve some raid mobs if they want them. People not giving them any chances are assholes.

I don't think anyones gotten a raid target on p99 from asking nicely lol

Granted how many people ask nicely? =p

[Tiggles]

Divinity confirmed only guild to win Project1999. Congrats Dvinity!

People that actually enjoy playing the game, I could call that winning.

This is true you take the average IB/TMO member and you RMT his character and gear and you then take that money and divide it by all the hours they put waking up at weird hours or leveling chars or camping shit.

I doubt that number would come out as "winning"

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

Why are TMO members so upset that IB was the top guild and that they left and sold their stuff for thousands of dollars?

You guys could do the same at any time lol, nothing is stopping you from doing it. Why so much butt hurt about it? Is it because IB has all the server firsts and you feel unaccomplished? You admit to wanting Velious so badly yet you continue to play Kunark over and over and over. Do you need to put your name in the server first thread to feel good about yourself?

I think Gwence may have hit the nail on the head! You people are so angry all the time.

Glad you approve of RMT. I don't have any beef with any guilds. But your statement is quite dumb. You sound really bitter from a person that doesn't play anymore. Almost Harrison status.

[47shadesofgay]

Glad you approve of RMT. I don't have any beef with any guilds. But your statement is quite dumb. You sound really bitter from a person that doesn't play anymore. Almost Harrison status.

I'm not sure where I said "I approve of RMT" anywhere in the post you quoted, but okay..

I'm not sure how that comes across as bitter either, the post is simply inquiring why people are so upset. Are you also upset? What gives?

[47shadesofgay]

This is true you take the average IB/TMO member and you RMT his character and gear and you then take that money and divide it by all the hours they put waking up at weird hours or leveling chars or camping shit.

I doubt that number would come out as "winning"


Depends. IB didn't really RMT because they needed money and had no other source of income. Most RMT'd because they were done playing on the server.

So the choice then becomes, do you hold on to a character you're never going to play again, or do you make a few hundred bucks? Some people held on because they still think they may play here. Others never plan on coming back so they sold their characters.

I think both sides "won" because they did what they want.

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

I'm not sure where I said "I approve of RMT" anywhere in the post you quoted, but okay..

I'm not sure how that comes across as bitter either, the post is simply inquiring why people are so upset. Are you also upset? What gives?

I'm not upset. But your a old IB member right or are you not? Come on the boards to talk about TMO this and that, we were #1 etc. Yeah maybe so. Saying "Lol why you mad that IB was number 1 and made thousands of dollar selling there accounts?" You guys could do it if you wanted! Sounds like you approve of it. Regardless if was for "leaving the server" or a source of income it doesn't matter. Sorry if i'm mistaken here.

[47shadesofgay]

I'm not upset. But your a old IB member right or are you not?

I am. Was also in TMO, not sure why that's relevent!

Come on the boards to talk about TMO this and that, we were #1 etc. Yeah maybe so.

Not correct.. see OP. I'm simply correcting the disinformation that has been spread. Trying to figure out why TMO lies so much about it. Why they are so angry over everything. The story is that IB wasn't getting any mobs and TMO drove them off the server because of this. I think mine and Alarti's data proves quite the opposite!

Saying "Lol why you mad that IB was number 1 and made thousands of dollar selling there accounts?" You guys could do it if you wanted! Sounds like you approve of it. Regardless if was for "leaving the server" or a source of income it doesn't matter. Sorry if i'm mistaken here.

Why does that sound like I approve of it? Anyone could RMT that's a fact. You could RMT, TMO could RMT, FE could RMT, old-IB that haven't yet could RMT.. it's not exactly restrictive, the only thing you need is a paypal account! That's all I said, because people seem mad that people RMT'd. I was insinuating they may be jealous of it and letting them know its fairly easy to do if that's what upsets them. IDK, trying to figure out why they are so angry. I think Gwence may be right though.

[Rhambuk]

I was insinuating they may be jealous of it and letting them know its fairly easy to do if that's what upsets them. IDK, trying to figure out why they are so angry. I think Gwence may be right though.

All I have against RMT is that it's the only thing that can shut down p99 outside of devs pulling the plug. I'm sure the RMTers dont care theyre making money off of a free game but most of us enjoy playing the game as it is and dont need to turn it into a second income. We just want to play without sony shutting the server down in 3 months because 1 douche out of 1000 decided to rmt.

[47shadesofgay]

RMT happens dozens of times daily man. It's pretty easy to find proof of it occuring with a couple easy Google searches. The GMs supposedly ban it whenever they catch wind of it. The server hasn't been shut down for it yet, I wouldn't sweat it too much. :)

[Rhambuk]

RMT happens dozens of times daily man. It's pretty easy to find proof of it occuring with a couple easy Google searches. The GMs supposedly ban it whenever they catch wind of it. The server hasn't been shut down for it yet, I wouldn't sweat it too much. :)

heh I really doubt sony would shut down p99 because they feel it was stealing their business lol but its just a possibility. Kind of like playin with matches it wont always start a fire but the one time it does, oh shit look out