Current Sky Schedule

[Funkutron5000]

Tentative schedule moving forward (as of 03/18/2014)

Sunday - AM - TMO, PM - A-Team
Monday - Europa, PM - Indignation
Tuesday - IB
Wednesday - AM - Omni, PM - Divinity
Thursday - Taken
Friday - BDA
Saturday - AM/ early PM - Azure Guard, Late PM - Asgard

[mrmop520]

Yes great to have this info out in the open!
Full Circle goes to sky on Tuesdays, usually early evenings (6-7pm est) sometimes earlier, sometimes later :P

[bizzum]

Been wanting to do this myself, actually!

TMO was Saturday night starting around 8-10PM EST depending on what time Rapture's morning clear was done, but now since Eabon is putting his open raids on hiatus, I was going to swoop in and try and do Sundays to allow Rapture to start any time they wish on Saturdays.

tl;dr -- TMO Sunday, Starting 1-2PM EST for full clear (thanks in advance for not going up earlier and leapfrogging!)

[arsenalpow]

BDA starts clearing around 5pm CST for our famous Skyday Fridays. Usually there is much drinking involved.

[Lanuven]

Sunday
Monday
Tuesday: Full Circle, 6-7 PM EST
Wednesday - Divinity 6 PM CST
Thursday
Friday - BDA 5 PM CST
Saturday
Sunday: TMO, 1-2 PM EST

Added for Divinity and BDA

[Erati]

Taken does Sky on thursdays starting around 6 est

[bizzum]

BDA starts clearing around 5pm CST for our famous Skyday Fridays. Usually there is much drinking involved.

As there should be!! I applaud you!

[xCry0x]

Rapture goes on saturday, historically 3pm cst, pending change to 6pm since tmo was going to go early, but pending change back to 3PM (hopefully) if you guys are going Sunday.

[bizzum]

Rapture goes on saturday, historically 3pm cst, pending change to 6pm since tmo was going to go early, but pending change back to 3PM (hopefully) if you guys are going Sunday.

Yup, go for it! Sad to see Eabon's open raids go (they were a lot of fun!), but its nice to have my weekend spot back without having to rush / get up at 8AM to start :P

[zanderklocke]

I'm pretty sure Monday evenings are A-Team

[Rufusman]

A-team starts about 5pm PST on Mondays

[Lazortag]

Monday: A-Team 8 PM EST
Tuesday: Full Circle, 6-7 PM EST
Wednesday: Divinity 7 PM EST
Thursday: Taken 6 PM EST
Friday: BDA 6 PM EST
Saturday: Rapture 4 PM EST
Sunday: TMO, 1-2 PM EST

So is it safe to say that Thursday is taken?

(sorry, couldn't resist)

[Funkutron5000]

Let's get this bumped up. Any way this could get stickied?

[zanderklocke]

When does Europa do Sky?

[Splorf22]

The A-Team has been kinda slacking on Sky recently but we are winding up again a bit!

[Funkutron5000]

If we could get this sticked maybe guilds could post if they're not gonna go up on their scheduled day? Would be nice to know that a guild can head up and not worry that they're taking another's scheduled raid and the ensuing drama that can happen!

[Chloroform]

100% confirmed possible, aalpha was here.

[kotton05]

So is it safe to say that Thursday is taken?

(sorry, couldn't resist)

Hahah

Also what about FE since we don't scheadule things will going up before one of these guilds time cause trouble?

[oldschooltrader]

Hahah

Also what about FE since we don't scheadule things will going up before one of these guilds time cause trouble?

Does this really have to be asked?

Of course it would cause trouble especially since guilds that DO schedule this clearly put up the time they begin and all the information is out there regarding to respawn times and what happens when two guilds try to do this in one day....

If you guys would like to do Sky I suggest begin talking to some of these guild/raid leaders who have it scheduled on the day you guys are thinking about coming up. I would not just pick a day and port up......

[zanderklocke]

Weekend days seem like they could be split into two different raid times since it's an 8 hour respawn.

[getsome]

Hahah

Also what about FE since we don't scheadule things will going up before one of these guilds time cause trouble?

Clearly FE would raid Sky on Sunday @ noon.

[bizzum]

Weekend days seem like they could be split into two different raid times since it's an 8 hour respawn.

Bees are 12 hours and Fairies are 6 I believe.

[Shinko]

Clearly FE would raid Sky on Sunday @ noon.


i do not see a problem this logic

[Boilon]

When does Europa do Sky?

Europa hasn't done Sky in a while. Took a break from it. We used to do Sunday morning American time, 18:00 CET which is like 9am PST - noon EST. We stopped around the time Eabon started running his that same day, because our Sunday forces were a bit lower, and I didn't feel like screwing up their raid.

[Clark]

Clearly FE would raid Sky on Monday.

Ya that would be the most rational result.

[zanderklocke]

Bees are 12 hours and Fairies are 6 I believe.

I was doing a really bad average of the two respawn times. ;)

[oddibemcd]

Bees are 12 hours and Fairies are 6 I believe.

I enjoy that someone who's name is reminiscent of the bees knew this.

[Shinko]

Monday: A-Team 8 PM EST
Tuesday: Full Circle, 6-7 PM EST
Wednesday: Divinity 7 PM EST
Thursday: Taken 6 PM EST
Friday: BDA 6 PM EST
Saturday: Rapture 4 PM EST
Sunday: TMO, 1-2 PM EST


is this still in full effect FE is looking to start doing sky every week

[mrmop520]

Monday: A-Team 8 PM EST
Tuesday: Full Circle, 6-7 PM EST
Wednesday: Divinity 7 PM EST
Thursday: Taken 6 PM EST
Friday: BDA 6 PM EST
Saturday: Rapture 4 PM EST
Sunday: TMO, 1-2 PM EST


is this still in full effect FE is looking to start doing sky every week

FC still goes on tuesday! :)

[Sirken]

Sirken has Nottap Ekim 7 days a week ;)

[Arcinsane]

Monday: A-Team 8 PM EST
Tuesday: Full Circle, 6-7 PM EST
Wednesday: Divinity 7 PM EST
Thursday: Taken 6 PM EST
Friday: BDA 6 PM EST
Saturday: Rapture 4 PM EST
Sunday: TMO, 1-2 PM EST


is this still in full effect FE is looking to start doing sky every week

a-team still on mondays

[Verenity]

Can confirm BDA still Fridays, Rapture still on Saturdays

[Lanuven]

Divinity still smacking dat sky ass on Wednesday.

[Thulack]

Friends in taken still do sky on thursday.

[Shinko]

so guess my guild going to have to live up to its name if...

[Thulack]

I'm sure TMO would sell you their Sky day for the right price :)

[zanderklocke]

Saturday or Sunday could be split in half with two guilds doing sky that day right? I mean it's the weekend.

[Splorf22]

Everything in Sky is an eight hour spawn right? If TMO would be willing to go a little earlier, we could do Sunday night (somehow we seem to have tons of people on late on Sunday) and let you have Monday.

[Layze]

Bees are on a longer timer (think 10 or 12 hours) and island 7 trash ( not that it matters) runs on a 24 hour timer.

[Alarti0001]

Everything in Sky is an eight hour spawn right? If TMO would be willing to go a little earlier, we could do Sunday night (somehow we seem to have tons of people on late on Sunday) and let you have Monday.

And screw all of our PST and Euro raiders? =(

[Wotsirb401]

I looks like SAtruday early morning like 8am would work and sometime on Sunday as well

[Servellious]

Any guilds willing to ROTATE sky days?

[arsenalpow]

Any guilds willing to ROTATE sky days?

We are currently rotating sky days, hence the current rotation list. FE would have probably been in the original rotation but your guilds focus wasn't built around raids, it was built around tracking and batphoning. Now if you'd like to raid sky you might want to fit a raid in that doesn't compromise another guild's skyday which means almost any day starting around 8am or focus on higher islands on days when the smaller guilds are only doing 1-4/5.

[Servellious]

There is the first No.

[arsenalpow]

There is the first No.

Please show me where I said no Kagok. There is a rotation implemented for every PM slot currently. If FE would like to raid sky without interfering with another guilds day then FE should use the AM hours to their advantage.

[maverixdamighty]

Please show me where I said no Kagok. There is a rotation implemented for every PM slot currently. If FE would like to raid sky without interfering with another guilds day then FE should use the AM hours to their advantage.

kagok asked if any guild would be willing to rotate their own rotation day with FE and you said sorry all days are full do it at 8 am if you want to raid sky...hence no.

we'll just go up when we have the interest then. thanks to FC though for offering to letting us tag along sorry i couldn't make it Tuesday.

[zanderklocke]

Any guilds willing to ROTATE sky days?

By this, do mean do Sky every over week? I'm not sure I understand what you mean by your wording?

[maverixdamighty]

By this, do mean do Sky every over week? I'm not sure I understand what you mean by your wording?

that's what i was assuming.

[arsenalpow]

kagok asked if any guild would be willing to rotate their own rotation day with FE and you said sorry all days are full do it at 8 am if you want to raid sky...hence no.

we'll just go up when we have the interest then. thanks to FC though for offering to letting us tag along sorry i couldn't make it Tuesday.

Again, your (Kagok's) words not mine. Does "we'll just go up when we have the interest" mean that you won't care who's day it is as you have no interest in adhering to this schedule that's been maintained for months?

[maverixdamighty]

Again, your (Kagok's) words not mine. Does "we'll just go up when we have the interest" mean that you won't care who's day it is as you have no interest in adhering to this schedule that's been maintained for months?

if it was my choice yes. people have asked to have us included in the schedule and we were told to go at 8 am. if the point of the rotation is to have all guilds getting along and working together so that everyone can participate don't think it's asking too much to have one guild a week give up their day to another guild since they will still get 3 sky raids a month at a minimum.

edit and it was your words. you said no go up at 8 am we already have a rotation.

[Splorf22]

As I said before the simplest solution is to get TMO to start an hour earlier (noon EST would be fine, and I have no idea how this is screwing their euro/PST raiders ala Alarti who I think just likes to be difficult), move the A-Team to sunday night (we usually don't get started till pretty late anyway, 8-9PM est is fine for us) and then you guys can have Monday. I'm pretty sure that if you talk to someone in TMO who isn't a forum troll they'd be willing to move an hour.

[arsenalpow]

if it was my choice yes. people have asked to have us included in the schedule and we were told to go at 8 am. if the point of the rotation is to have all guilds getting along and working together so that everyone can participate don't think it's asking too much to have one guild a week give up their day to another guild since they will still get 3 sky raids a month at a minimum.

edit and it was your words. you said no go up at 8 am we already have a rotation.

Your guild had no interest in the rotation when this was conceived. Your guild is built around tracking targets and responding to batphones for said targets. That's not a knock against your guild, it's just how you choose to play the game. For you to show up late to the party and demand a slot during the hours that are currently occupied smacks of pretension and entitlement.

I think I can speak for most of the casual guilds when I say that we choose to raid sky because its hassle free and we don't have to participate in the toxic playstyle that FE and TMO propagate. We've carved out a schedule that's adequate for the majority of parties involved. Again, if FC wants to let FE hitch a ride that's FC's decision (and props btw), but lets not pretend that there isn't an opportunity for FE to raid sky, it just seems your guild is not satisfied with an AM slot so you'd disregard the current situation and take whatever slot you feel like.

[zanderklocke]

I really feel like there has gotta be a way weekend days can be utilized for 2 sky raids in one day. It seems like that would allow everyone to raid sky at least once a week and not have to port up randomly to update key corpses without raiding.

I mean we haven't heard from all the guilds yet.

I'll admit, that rotating every other week is a possible option to incorporate Forceful Entry, but some people will be raiding less due to rotations implemented; this isn't obviously the most favorable option for people raiding every week now. I would consider a guild to be very nice to take a week off to allow another guild to raid sky. (Just a thought, but would Forceful Entry allow that guild to try to join forces on a raid target that week against TMO for willingness to give up a sky raid day?)

There's gotta be a way a guild could maybe start their weekend sky raid at like 11:00 AM instead of like 1:00 PM or later to allow for a late night sky run. I mean Eabon was leading his sky raids on Sunday nights and no longer does so. Isn't there anyway to incorporate that time for Forceful Entry or maybe have Rapture start a bit earlier on Saturday?

I just have more than a hunch that rotations, unless extremely well worked out, is going to lead to conflict.

[Splorf22]

Your guild had no interest in the rotation when this was conceived. Your guild is built around tracking targets and responding to batphones for said targets. That's not a knock against your guild, it's just how you choose to play the game. For you to show up late to the party and demand a slot during the hours that are currently occupied smacks of pretension and entitlement.

I know you don't like FE but this is silly. Zanderr has it right; we just need to double book the weekends.

[arsenalpow]

I know you don't like FE but this is silly. Zanderr has it right; we just need to double book the weekends.

I'm agreeing with both of you, someone needs to take an AM slot (FE) and then someone's PM slot gets pushed back slightly. This is what I immediately said. Mavpal disagreed with this concept and has stated that FE will raid sky whenever they have an interest to do so, thus ignoring the current agreed upon rotation. Preaching to the choir guys.

[cs616]

Chest, the simple fact is that there is a rotation that was formed that did not include arguably the #2 guild on the server. To remedy that situation we've come here in an attempt to find a way to enter the rotation in a manner that allows it to continue AND include everyone that wants to raid the zone. You, in your usual doom and gloom fashion, have assumed that we're just going to do what basically every raiding guild in the past has done and not respect any form of rotation. How you came to that conclusion is beyond me but I think this entire thread is evidence that we're going out of our way to avoid that.

Part of a rotation is maintaining and adapting it to meet the needs of those of us raiding on the server. There are 7 days in the week and 8 guilds that want to raid sky. Due to the raiding hours chosen by weekend guilds currently, there are only 7 slots that really work for most north american players. Certainly AM raids are an option, but the reason no other guild has taken AM times is because AM times simply don't work for most guilds.

Given these facts, instead of giving us one shitty option (raid in the AM) and then assuming the worst (we're just going to steamroll people), maybe you should be trying to work with us to find a solution. I think there is some potential for some slight adjustments to weekend times as Zanderr mentioned that can allow us all to get a weekly raid in. However, if the current members of the rotation are rigid and unwilling to compromise with new guilds trying to enter, do you really think the rotation is going to last?

I personally think it is awesome that sky has been put onto a rotation and hope to see it maintained, but as you've pointed out we could easily just go up there whenever we want, which in terms of loot would definitely be to our benefit. However, since we're willing to make compromises in an attempt to join and abide by the rotation I think it is only fair that the current members of the rotation do the same to accommodate us. If you're unwilling to do that I don't really see how you expect this rotation to last.

[Sarius]

we'll just go up when we have the interest then

This is why Chest made the assumption that you would not respect a rotation, Mav made a nice "my way or the highway comment". Why doesn't FE try to reason with a weekend guild rather than have everybody else figure out the solution for them?

[Erati]

Im sorry but when was FE formed????

Those guilds on Sky rotation prob have been doin sky for close to a year now in some form of rotation. I have no idea when those days we r settled on happened but i can speak from my personal experience as a Taken member. I just came back to the game in Jan 2013 having taken a break in Aug 2011 and we have done Sky every Thurs since I came back and Im pretty sure they were doing it for months before I got back.

FC, Div, Rapture aka Flawless V, BDA are all pretty old guilds that have been doin sky in an organised, friendly, adult fashion for months prob some using that same day for over a year. Just bc a guild forms with the intent to raid hardcore n race for mobs does not mean it should skip being diplomatic with these guild leaders ( privately on their guild forums works best ) . Coming to these forums and demanding one of us "make way" for you without offering anything besides the fact you wont disturb thess raids which to my knowledge has never been interfered with unless Efreetis pop is laughable.

[arsenalpow]

This is why Chest made the assumption that you would not respect a rotation, Mav made a nice "my way or the highway comment". Why doesn't FE try to reason with a weekend guild rather than have everybody else figure out the solution for them?

A preliminary solution is to have FE take an AM slot to accommodate their request to raid sky in the short term. In the long term something else will have to be figured out, but that's not how this conversation took place. Mavpal did what Mavpal does and spoke for FE whether he had the authority to do so or not and claimed that if FE was not accommodated with a time slot that was to FE's liking then FE would "raid sky when they had an interest to do so" which is tantamount to an ultimatum.

1) don't let non FE reps speak for FE

2) respect the current rotation and the effort/restraint that was put forth to maintain this agreement

[zanderklocke]

Well, the two weekend guilds to work with would be Rapture and TMO, and I'll let you figure out which one FE will be more likely to be able to work with. Ha.

For real though, did TMO change its raiding schedule a great deal to let Eabon do his sky raids for the month and a half or so he led them on Sunday nights? Even if FE started Sky at like 9:00 PM on a Sunday, I imagine they could finish it in like 3-4 hours, as opposed to the 6-7 hours it takes smaller guilds. Other option I see is Rapture moving to earlier in the day than 4:00 PM.

I think it's in the best interest for all of the small guilds to figure out how we incorporate FE, otherwise, we risk being "curb stomped" if they decide they want to do Sky on a random day.

[Asap]

I know you don't like FE but this is silly.

we'll just go up when we have the interest then.

Loraen, I think this is the reason Chest kind of took offense, as any guild who has consistently been raiding sky for the past year + would.

[Erati]

I agree with Chest on this matter where a temporary solution should b sought after while a more permenant one is worked out.

These rotations were not created just a month a ago and the reason they didnt contain the "#2 guild" on server is bc they had no interest in figuring out how to sched their sky day as they dont sched their raids. All the raiding guilds on the list have their raid nights scheduled so it was easy to over the course of many weeks n months get a feeling of when others did sky and what would work best for their own members. This thread was created so other people could see the sched in writing but it had been goin strong for many months prior.

[Handull]

How much of sky does Rapture usually clear on Saturdays? If they only do 1-5 then FE could go up to 7 and clear bees/sister/eye at any time during the day, would just have to work to ensure neither guild is Sirran blocked if they go up at the same time. FE could also pull lords to 7 after Rapture was done if they left the guardian up. Could do the same thing Mondays/Tuesdays as long as someone asked Ateam/FC what they were planning that week. AFAIK both ateam and FC are both in lord farm mode atm, but that can always change. Saturdays would be a nicer day to raid though so pacific, eastern, and euros can be happy. Heck, if any guild clearing 1-5 didn't need all the keys on 4, they could leave a griffon up and FE could trigger a KoS spawn, of course this would be easier on Saturdays due to the long spawn times and the inability to overlap trigger timers.

[arsenalpow]

Rapture has been doing full clears.

[cs616]

I don't understand how people are implying that we're not being diplomatic. This thread was started by an FE member trying to figure out the current schedule. Numerous FE members have posted in this thread with possible solutions, by my count 3: TMO raiding earlier, Rapture raiding later, rotating days so that one guild isn't stuck with an 8 AM raid every week. In fact, this entire thread is kind of a discussion about FE trying to start raiding sky without stepping on people's feet. Some of you guys are acting like our unwillingness to raid at 8am is some how unreasonable, when I doubt any other guild in the rotation would be willing to raid at the time. Shooting down our proposals and providing us with one shitty option isn't a compromise or diplomatic, in fact it is kind of the opposite.

I can see how Mav's or Shinko's post could be seen as undiplomatic, but really they're just pointing out that if our only option is to raid at 8 AM we're simply not going to join the rotation. That isn't a threat or an intent to ruin the rotation though, it is just the result of us trying to find a compromise and being unable to. It isn't the result you want, nor is it the result we want (again this entire post is evidence of that), but it is simply a fact that needed to be pointed out given that so far raiding at 8 AM is the only option people have been willing to provide us with.

[Sarius]

When you have a member like Mav post nonsense, it reflects poorly on your entire guild. People tend to focus on the negative. Your best solution is to PM/Tell officers of TMO and Rapture so you can be incorporated on the weekend and post here afterwards with the results.

[arsenalpow]

When you have a member like Mav post nonsense, it reflects poorly on your entire guild. People tend to focus on the negative. Your best solution is to PM/Tell officers of TMO and Rapture so you can be incorporated on the weekend and post here afterwards with the results.

[Splorf22]

Loraen, I think this is the reason Chest kind of took offense, as any guild who has consistently been raiding sky for the past year + would.

I disagree. FE is more or less politely coming in and asking to be worked into the rotation, and Chest is telling them to fuck off. No one wants to raid sky at 8AM. If you aren't going to make a reasonable effort to give them a piece of the pie then why should they respect your rotation?

The simple solution is to ask whoever goes on Saturday and Sunday to start at noon EST. This is hardly an outrageously early morning time, and that means that another raid can start at 8PM EST, especially if we can pair one full clear guild and one 1-5 guild.

On a side note, I think the fact that we have 8(!) guilds that are capable of doing the Spiroc Lord (who is basically as hard as any other boss outside of VP) shows you how overcrowded the raid scene is. This is why I keep thinking tokens are a good idea. If we had a rotation each guild would get to kill Sev (say) once every two months!

[Sarius]

Better than 6 guilds getting one every never

[bizzum]

I don't mind starting sometime around 12/1230 EST on Sunday (we do start around then most of the time anyways, unless I get drunk on Saturday!), but it will still pose a problem if the people hoping to go on Sunday night want to do Bees/Sisters. Isle 1-5 has a 6-8 hour respawn, but Bees have a 12 hour respawn, so thats going to kill any bee/sister kills for the guilds going up after.

Anyways, if somebody is honestly interested in going Sunday night, PM me and we can work something out. This does mean me waking up earlier than 9AM on Sundays, though :(

[Handull]

whats the repop timer on eye? assuming 8 or 12, but can't say I've ever checked.

[bizzum]

I thought that Bee was the only 12 hour, but I'm not 100% sure. I'll try to check next weekend for the Eye time.

[Sckrilla]

Anyways, if somebody is honestly interested in going Sunday night, PM me and we can work something out. This does mean me waking up earlier than 9AM on Sundays, though :(
AKA this never happening because Zaggy is always drankin' on Caturdays!

[maverixdamighty]

edit:chest not worth a response

[arsenalpow]

edit:chest not worth a response

I might as well just ignore you, you're worse than Alarti. I didn't even think that was possible.

[maverixdamighty]

I might as well just ignore you, you're worse than Alarti. I didn't even think that was possible.

please do. had enough of your self righteous bs. everyone that knows you knows you are a POS. talking about sky rotations with stuff i've seen you do...LOL.

[arsenalpow]

please do. had enough of your self righteous bs. everyone that knows you knows you are a POS. talking about sky rotations with stuff i've seen you do...LOL.

Please tell me about the terrible things I've done

[maverixdamighty]

Please tell me about the terrible things I've done

you know about you leapfrogging in sky. don't need to rehash it. regardless of stuff I say on the forums i've never done anything to F over another guilds raid, but you can't say the same. Put me on ignore POS.

[Jarnauga]

Mav should do his guild a favor and shut the fuck up :rolleyes:

[maverixdamighty]

Mav should do his guild a favor and shut the fuck up :rolleyes:

ya because i've said anything untrue ask your POS raid leader about it.

edit: you can put me on ignore too. one more ignorant idiot i don't have to worry about.

[Jarnauga]

ya because i've said anything untrue ask your POS raid leader about it.

edit: you can put me on ignore too. one more ignorant idiot i don't have to worry about.

:(

[arsenalpow]

ya because i've said anything untrue ask your POS raid leader about it.

edit: you can put me on ignore too. one more ignorant idiot i don't have to worry about.

vague unsubstantiated propaganda from a member of a guild that willingly "trains" FTE snipes trains in VP etc etc

my whistle is fucking clean, you propagate a toxic raiding environment, welcome to ignore Alarti Jr - and get this back on topic please, if you want to bash me go start another RnF thread that no one gives a shit about

[maverixdamighty]

vague unsubstantiated propaganda from a member of a guild that willingly "trains" FTE snipes trains in VP etc etc

my whistle is fucking clean, you propagate a toxic raiding environment, welcome to ignore Alarti Jr - and get this back on topic please, if you want to bash me go start another RnF thread that no one gives a shit about

whatever you say POS.

pulling isle 7 down over a guild currently on 6 while being told we were going to do it soon. even when we got up there you continued pulling mobs. you can play the white knight card all you want, but you've shown you do what suits you best given the situation.

edit: nice argument i'm guilty by associate. if that's the case all of bda is guilty from you being a POS. difference is i'm not a moron that acts like that, while you have clearly shown you are.

[Jarnauga]

He mad.

Why would anyone ignore you, you're so funny !

[maverixdamighty]

He mad.

Why would anyone ignore you, you're so funny !

he ignores me because he knows he is a POS. can't dispute the fact so he uses ignore like the tool he is.

[arsenalpow]

Jarn, take it to RnF since Mav made a thread for me, let this thread serve it's purpose and let mavpal tell us about his level of immersion in RnF

[Servellious]

It's pretty well expected that people enjoy playing on weekday evenings hence shinko and others asking if anyone would be open to a rotation. No one is forcing anyone to do anything except those attempting to force FE into a slot people may not be able to make. Just cause people can log on for a 5 minute kill does not mean they can spend an entire portion of their day raiding their particular time slot that is forced. At least some people are willing to be flexible and offer moving times and such that is much appreciated. Hopefully somethig can be worked out that works for everyone the server is getting top heavy with 50+ players would be nice if something gets ironed out. Don't hate on Mav cause he is blunt and calls it like it is just open your eyes and wake up

Side note if your guild has farmed the same thing for over a year would you not be more inclined to rotate a slot ?

[Boilon]

Since this discussion is still ongoing. I think Europa might be also wanting to get back in to the fold in the next week or two. We used to hold the Sunday slot until I stopped running it and passed it up for Eabon's raids because we were not getting the interest to do it anymore. However, our times are often much different for raiding. We only really have intentions of island 1-5 at the moment though, and these have an 6-8 hour timer? (can someone confirm the mob timers per island).

Most likely this will be a weekday though, but I will work with the correct guild to make sure that we don't run over anyone else ;)

[Asap]

Side note if your guild has farmed the same thing for over a year would you not be more inclined to rotate a slot ?

Ask TMO that same question

[maverixdamighty]

Ask TMO that same question

tmo seems more willing to work with us then bda prior to me even making any comments. Chest's suggestion is wake up at 8 am and raid sky.

[Wotsirb401]

Since we hardly get numbers for sky maybe we could do something with Europa on Sundays or Mondays? I wouldnt mind doing like a joint raid if need be. All depends on numbers honestly

[Handull]

Since this discussion is still ongoing. I think Europa might be also wanting to get back in to the fold in the next week or two. We used to hold the Sunday slot until I stopped running it and passed it up for Eabon's raids because we were not getting the interest to do it anymore. However, our times are often much different for raiding. We only really have intentions of island 1-5 at the moment though, and these have an 6-8 hour timer? (can someone confirm the mob timers per island).

Most likely this will be a weekday though, but I will work with the correct guild to make sure that we don't run over anyone else ;)

Island 1: 4 or 6 hours, but it doesn't matter, you can buy the keys
island 2: 8 hours
island 3: 8 hours
island 4: 8 hours for the trash, 60-90minutes from killing first griffon to boss spawn
island 5: 8 hours for the trash, boss stays up if guardian is left alive
island 6: 12 hours
island 7: 12 or 24 hours, but it doesn't matter, you don't need the keys from here, boss spawns from killing island 6 boss and talking to sirran
island 8: 8 or 12 hours, not sure

what time does europa raid normally? could try and do an early or late saturday run if rapture is willing to shift a few hours one way or the other

as for FE, works for me if a team moves to sunday night and FE takes monday, i think lor suggested it but still want to confirm that with him

[Layze]

Rapture can work with Europa if they want the Saturday morning slot. Willing to shift a couple hours later.

[bizzum]

TMO will be starting around 12/1230PM EST to allow somebody (I believe A-Team was going to?) to go up on Sunday night. That would mean an 8/830 PM EST start for the next round. However, for this week Bees will definitely be down, and perhaps Eye depending on respawn (but we will probably kill it first so if you are up there and kill it last it might work).

If the A-Team wants to do bee boss routinely we can work something out and switch off or whatnot, just PM me whoever is in charge there!

[Layze]

So Schedule as i see it would be...

Sunday - AM - TMO
PM - A-Team
Monday - FE
Tuesday - FC
Wednesday - Divinity
Thursday - Taken
Friday - BDA
Saturday - AM - Europa
PM - Rapture

This is assuming A-Team wants to switch from Monday, FE wants Monday and Europa is fine with Saturday morning

[Splorf22]

Works for us. We'll hit sky at 8:30-9PM ET this Sunday then. Zagum would you be willing to let us know the exact timer for the Bee Queen? We have a lot of night owls/west coasters somehow, so if it's <= 1AM we might stay up :D

P.S. Do we know if the 12 hour respawn of the Bees is Classic? It doesn't really make sense for them to have a different timer when literally everything else in every other plane is 8 hours.

P.P.S. Can we get some sort of sticky raid calendar post?

P.P.P.S. God I hope no one else wants to enter the rotation, 9 really is about the max we can do reasonably.

[Funkutron5000]

If that's how it plays out I'll update the OP with the new schedule.

Thanks to everyone keeping things (mostly) civil in this here thread. It's nice to see things being worked out in an adult, respectful manner!

[HallygukRZ]

Thanks also from my side.

We are currently discussing possible options in Europa and would like to get back to you as soon as we can.

Have a fine day!

[Layze]

Had a talked with Imba today of FE. Rapture and FE are trading days, so update FE for Saturday and Rapture for Monday.

[bizzum]

Works for us. We'll hit sky at 8:30-9PM ET this Sunday then. Zagum would you be willing to let us know the exact timer for the Bee Queen? We have a lot of night owls/west coasters somehow, so if it's <= 1AM we might stay up :D

P.S. Do we know if the 12 hour respawn of the Bees is Classic? It doesn't really make sense for them to have a different timer when literally everything else in every other plane is 8 hours.

P.P.S. Can we get some sort of sticky raid calendar post?

P.P.P.S. God I hope no one else wants to enter the rotation, 9 really is about the max we can do reasonably.

Ill make sure somebody gets the kill time of Bee. I'd like to say we do it reasonably fast (until the patch when Eye pulling will be shot), so I think we can get it in for a 1/130 respawn.

Ill look around for the bee respawn and see if I can find any evidence of it being different. I have no idea though, never did sky outside of P99.

[Aata]

It's nice to see things being worked out in an adult, respectful manner!

/agree

[Boilon]

Sorry I was away for the weekend. Europa's usual raid time is around 20:00 CET = 2pm EST. For a sky raid this could maybe be moved back up to 2-3 hours. Obviously we would want the time where we could field enough numbers to make a dent in to Sky.

Sunday looks booked by 2 guilds now then so it would be either Wednesday or Saturday. We are also considering maybe only doing it once every 2 weeks, depending on if the guild actually wants to do it consistently every week or not.

As it sits Europa is mainly looking to clear island 1-5 as we don't have any experience with bees - so if this makes it easier to schedule as its an 8 hour timer than for the stuff that we kill.

[oddibemcd]

Curious if the return of ib is going to make an already tight schedule even more interesting.

[Shinko]

they can share with tmo
like they did in vp back in the day

[Nlaar]

they can share with tmo
like they did in vp back in the day

nice.

[bizzum]

Is FE planning on doing the Saturday afternoon slot? I had been talking with Europa since they seem to be unable to get the right people to log on for Saturdays, and we were trying to work out switching their imaginary Saturday slot with our Sunday slot, but I went up on Saturday afternoon/morning and saw you guys up there. If that's the case, I will try to work something else out with them!

[Jesseca]

Ok....so what does a girl have to do to get into this sky rotation?

Seriously though.....Azure Guard would like a shot at sky...who do I need to talk to in order to make it happen? Our raid days change around from month to month so we are a bit flexible in what days we can do it. The time however is pretty much set...which is 8pm EST.

[jpeute]

Actually i think Sky should be FFA, whoever want to make a raid there just do it whenever....

i mean more and more little guild are gonna ask for a spot that suxx...a-team had like 10ppl yesterday and they take a room in the rotation?? all that to sell the loot it seems...i think small guild should work together to gear together and not to sell loot...

Or maybe my zergling guild should split in 3 guild and ask for 3 spots...i dont know.

[jpeute]

and btw im buying :

- Inlaid chocker (rogue) for Pocketknife 10kp
- Jester's mask (rogue): Pocketknife (tortue) 15kp

If its rotting and ur guild wanna make some plat ask a TMO to contact me and i will be there in no time.

[Sarius]

A-Team did have like 10 people and still pulled off their Island 1-5 clear. Just because they can do more with less they should not have a spot?

[pasi]

We are only there to sell stuff that's rotting... at a very low price. Unfortunately, we don't always have every class on hand at our raids. I actually consider it a service to the community if people are able to get a Dark Cloak of the Sky for 20k.

[zanderklocke]

all that to sell the loot it seems...i think small guild should work together to gear together and not to sell loot...


The irony of this made me laugh really hard.

[Spitty]

Actually i think Sky should be FFA, whoever want to make a raid there just do it whenever....

i mean more and more little guild are gonna ask for a spot that suxx...a-team had like 10ppl yesterday and they take a room in the rotation?? all that to sell the loot it seems...i think small guild should work together to gear together and not to sell loot...

Or maybe my zergling guild should split in 3 guild and ask for 3 spots...i dont know.

Really?

Our guild does Sky because our members use the drops, and we sell off excess loot at extraordinarily fair prices. Yours, however, bottlenecks the entire fucking server and charges exorbitant prices for certain quest items because they can.

And you, of all people, are questioning the motives of a ten-man squad doing sky AND trying to upset a civil rotation established by the more decent-minded guilds on this server? You don't even have a fucking stake in this, other than you want to take advantage of Sky loot sales while trying to bust up the rotation.

The fuck happened to you? You used to be a decent person to duo/trio with, and now this.

[Thulack]

Really?

Our guild does Sky because our members use the drops, and we sell off excess loot at extraordinarily fair prices. Yours, however, bottlenecks the entire fucking server and charges exorbitant prices for certain quest items because they can.

And you, of all people, are questioning the motives of a ten-man squad doing sky AND trying to upset a civil rotation established by the more decent-minded guilds on this server? You don't even have a fucking stake in this, other than you want to take advantage of Sky loot sales while trying to bust up the rotation.

The fuck happened to you? You used to be a decent person to duo/trio with, and now this.

he said it good enough lol. I read Jpuete comment and laughed. Pot calling the kettle black huh :P

[Splorf22]

Tortue: A member of TMO complaining about other guilds selling raid loot is beyond ridiculous. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygE01sOhzz0 God I love that movie. Also we're happy to sell to you or anyone else but the min bid for Gorg drops is 15k which is pretty low already we think.

bizzum: let us know how things work out. You guys moving to Saturday would be great for us as we'd have a crack at the bees!

Dulas: 10 guilds puts us in a rough position because either someone has to go on a weekday morning or everyone has to go less than once a week which sucks because of the keycorpse mechanics.

I don't know how to ask this without being insulting but is your guild really capable of doing Sky? I just did a /who all Azure and you had 11 on of whom only one was over L55. I'm sure you'll have more on for raid nights but I am not at all sure 20 people with an average level of 55 can handle the Spiroc Lord. Assuming that you are indeed capable of clearing 5, a couple of possible solutions:

My understanding is that Rapture/BDA both go to Sky on both Monday and Friday (kind of like Tortue suggested hehe). They might be willing to give up one day just because thats an awful lot of Sky.

Full Circle I believe only does 1-5 and might be willing to team up with you if you could bring enough force that together you could do 1-8.

Europa is having trouble getting their raids together and might welcome some help (although they are in the morning obviously).

We had 10-12 last night and I would prefer 15-18ish so I don't mind taking a few (say 5ish) reasonably high-leveled players for the sake of server harmony. I just find having large groups of people (>20) to be a) a giant pain to organize. Sometimes I feel like being a raid leader is like herding cats, and that is with 15 players and b) I like doing content with a number of players such that we have a real chance to wipe if people fuck up too badly. At some point it just becomes a roflstomp.

I know none of those are great solutions from your perspective but as I said we are in a tough spot.

[Handull]

Is FE planning on doing the Saturday afternoon slot? I had been talking with Europa since they seem to be unable to get the right people to log on for Saturdays, and we were trying to work out switching their imaginary Saturday slot with our Sunday slot, but I went up on Saturday afternoon/morning and saw you guys up there. If that's the case, I will try to work something else out with them!

FE did sky saturday at 1pm est this week, we did noon est the week before. We haven't pinned down the best time to get started considering different time zones around the world, but the ballpark we are in worked well twice so far. We have also now established key corpses for most members, which will make everything smoother.

As far as I know Saturday night is open, might be a good slot for a guild looking to try 1-5.

[Jesseca]

Dulas: 10 guilds puts us in a rough position because either someone has to go on a weekday morning or everyone has to go less than once a week which sucks because of the keycorpse mechanics.

I don't know how to ask this without being insulting but is your guild really capable of doing Sky? I just did a /who all Azure and you had 11 on of whom only one was over L55. I'm sure you'll have more on for raid nights but I am not at all sure 20 people with an average level of 55 can handle the Spiroc Lord. Assuming that you are indeed capable of clearing 5, a couple of possible solutions:

First off.....I never said what you stated in the above quote that I said. Secondly....please if your going to respond then please know what your talking about.

Don't you worry if my guild can handle something or not. If i am requesting a slot it is because I feel we are ready for sky.

If Saturday night is open then we will give it a shot on Saturday night at 8pm est.

Please let me know if that is not the case....otherwise we will be ready to do sky then.

Thank you!

[Spitty]

Uh...this is the guy that regularly does Sky with less than two groups.

He brought about a valid question in a neutral manner and you insinuate that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

You're either extremely defensive of your guild's actual capabilities, or you need to cultivate some diplomatic skills. Either way, good luck with both.

[Jesseca]

I don't know this guy and what hes capable of doing. I do know however he stated in a post that I said something that I never said. That is what I was referring to when I said " please know what your talking about ".

[Thulack]

I don't know this guy and what hes capable of doing. I do know however he stated in a post that I said something that I never said. That is what I was referring to when I said " please know what your talking about ".

ive read his post over and over and no where does he state you said anything. Could you elaborate what he said you said? What you quoted is a response from him about the 10 guild situation in Sky and asking you if your sure your capable of doing Sky without him being a dick about it.

[Jesseca]

Dulas: 10 guilds puts us in a rough position because either someone has to go on a weekday morning or everyone has to go less than once a week which sucks because of the keycorpse mechanics.

The above is what I was talking about yes. Apparently it was a misunderstanding. If that is the case then you have my apologies. I took it as he thought I had said that.

Regardless if there are 10 guilds that want to do sky then I suppose the guilds that have been doing sky just cant do them 3 times or 2 times a week like they have been? People had to of seen this coming? I mean you can only do so much of the same thing over and over again before you get tired of it.

[Swish]

Either way I think the point is that Azure Guard should be able to get in on the cycle. People suggesting its a closed shop to those already in it...well, that's just narrow minded. I think that's what is wrong here...that any guild wanting to do it should be denied the chance.

If I was the AG guild leader and got told "no", I'd be annoyed too :P

[Thulack]

The above is what I was talking about yes. Apparently it was a misunderstanding. If that is the case then you have my apologies. I took it as he thought I had said that.

Regardless if there are 10 guilds that want to do sky then I suppose the guilds that have been doing sky just cant do them 3 times or 2 times a week like they have been? People had to of seen this coming? I mean you can only do so much of the same thing over and over again before you get tired of it.

9 guilds on rotation. All guilds do sky once a week other then rapture and BDA who combined for each of their days. Honestly you would think you would do more research into what you were getting yourself into rather then just saying "Hey, Here we are we and we want in"

[Splorf22]

First off.....I never said what you stated in the above quote that I said. Secondly....please if your going to respond then please know what your talking about.

I wasn't quoting you. I was responding to 3 different people. So, right back at you :p

Don't you worry if my guild can handle something or not. If i am requesting a slot it is because I feel we are ready for sky.

I think you missed my point. You said "a shot at sky" and "ready for sky". Sky is 8 islands and I'm sure you can do at least some of them. If there was an open day somewhere no one would care, but with 9 guilds on the calender already someone would have to give up their slot, so killing the Spiroc Lord seems like the minimum bar. So what I was asking was "when you say sky do you mean five because by looking at your numbers/levels that seems pretty rough for you". I'm not saying you can't do it, just asking for clarification. If you reread my post I even gave you the benefit of the doubt.

Of course, if Ploktor is telling the truth then maybe there is an open slot, so maybe I was wrong about 9 guilds being in the rotation, but I don't know the details of what is going on with Europa.

[Tuljin]

hey i have 3 toons with robe of the azure sky - i cant believe other people on this server get a shot at raid zones!

[Spitty]

Taking a shot at Sky - sure. Nobody should be denied that. If more people shared that mindset, this server would have a much more enjoyable social atmosphere.

Being ready for Sky implies being qualified for a spot on the rotation, which is best proven by the above - taking a shot at Sky. Azure Guard may have already done this - I don't know. My knowledge extends to about the first page of this thread.

In all fairness, the concept of a rotation is destabilized if there's a guild occupying a spot that doesn't consistently clear islands. Timers go off, you end up with vulture guilds waiting for the fail, etc. It serves everyone on the rotation best to ensure all participants are making full use of a rotation spot.

[Oompaa]

I mean you can only do so much of the same thing over and over again before you get tired of it.

You would think so, wouldn't you? P99 is the exception.

[Swish]

Here's a crazy concept, as people are worried about a new guild to the rotation not being able to handle it... how about offering 3-4 of the guild the chance to raid with existing guilds on the rotation? What they don't know they'll soon learn, and there's less worrying about stuff not being cleared as a result. It would be a nice goodwill gesture if it was made, right?

Any guild new to the rotation is not going to meet the expectations of the current guilds, it'll take time no doubt but I'm sure there will be progress :)

[Spitty]

That...is a good idea.

[jpeute]

Here's a crazy concept, as people are worried about a new guild to the rotation not being able to handle it... how about offering 3-4 of the guild the chance to raid with existing guilds on the rotation? What they don't know they'll soon learn, and there's less worrying about stuff not being cleared as a result. It would be a nice goodwill gesture if it was made, right?

Any guild new to the rotation is not going to meet the expectations of the current guilds, it'll take time no doubt but I'm sure there will be progress :)

That was my point, and my post was not against the a-team and the way they sell the loot...they do what they want and i will eventually be a customer!

But if 10ppl can hold a rotation and finally manage to sell their rot when u have many other guild who wanna enter in the rotation and they are denied. i think that suxx.

[Spitty]

You've achieved perfect empathy with how so many of us feel about your guild and various old-world spawns - except we're denied even the basic opportunity of establishing a rotation.

You thinking "this suxx" just illustrates how narrow a view you've cultivated when it comes to sharing raids on this server.

[jpeute]

Tortue: A member of TMO complaining about other guilds selling raid loot is beyond ridiculous.

I guess u make a reference at TMO selling VP loot to the a-team...for me thats 2 different scenario and its def not the same thing...

VP loot are off dragons who spawn on a variance of 7 days +/- 48hours and on a competition raid scene.

Sky loot are on a 8h timer on a plane with an established rotation.

[Spitty]

You can't possibly be stupid enough to think he's referring to sales of fucking VP loot.

[jpeute]

You can't possibly be stupid enough to think he's referring to sales of fucking VP loot.

ahah u bet? im sure he does

[Splorf22]

Here's a crazy concept, as people are worried about a new guild to the rotation not being able to handle it... how about offering 3-4 of the guild the chance to raid with existing guilds on the rotation? What they don't know they'll soon learn, and there's less worrying about stuff not being cleared as a result. It would be a nice goodwill gesture if it was made, right?

I don't mind taking a few (say 5ish) reasonably high-leveled players for the sake of server harmony.

I think you guys saw that there were 9 guilds on the rotation already and came into this thread spoiling for a fight despite the fact that I've taken a basically conciliatory position this whole time. How about a little less hyperbole and a few more screenshots of Azure Guard gloriously downing the Spiroc Lord? :)

I guess u make a reference at TMO selling VP loot to the a-team...for me thats 2 different scenario and its def not the same thing...

Look I am strongly against pixel rot, and I would much rather see items for sale then either rotting or sitting in a guild bank for months at a time. So I think we are both basically doing a good thing there. The reason everyone is laughing at your comment is that if you take the communistic view of 'encounters should go to people who will directly use the highest fraction of pixels' and apply it to your own guild you won't like the results much.

[jpeute]

i was just saying u cant compare sky rot sale on an established rotation with other loot sale on a competitive atmosphere.

And even more now with all the new guild who wanna enter in the sky rotation.

[Spitty]

And you can't build a gigantic mound of hyperbole and expect us to crown you king of the loot hill.

Fuck you, and go back from whence you came.

[RevengeofGio]

i was just saying u cant compare sky rot sale on an established rotation with other loot sale on a competitive atmosphere.

And even more now with all the new guild who wanna enter in the sky rotation.

Who are you really competing with?

FE & IB? Are they even competing with you anymore?

Or is competitive in the sense that you don't want anyone else to be even near you?

[jpeute]

we compete with whatever guild show to kill a raid target, make sense to you?

but i agree with u we kick some ass and we cant find a solid competition thats terrible :(

[jpeute]

Fuck you, and go back from whence you came.

Love u too, send u some french kiss moron

[Anichek]

My understanding is that Rapture/BDA both go to Sky on both Monday and Friday (kind of like Tortue suggested hehe). They might be willing to give up one day just because thats an awful lot of Sky.

We raid with Rapture because we enjoy their company....not because the numbers to complete the raids don't support either guild accomplishing full clears.

The last BDA Friday Skyday only had 1 or 2 Rapture on it, as an example. Open ended invitations/reciprocity, if you will.

Apologies that I can't offer a solution, I appreciate that this thread has been primarily civil, and think with all the brains crowdsourcing ideas something will come up that will work out!

[Lostprophets]

You've achieved perfect empathy with how so many of us feel about your guild and various old-world spawns - except we're denied even the basic opportunity of establishing a rotation.

You thinking "this suxx" just illustrates how narrow a view you've cultivated when it comes to sharing raids on this server.

Not only is it a "basic opportunity" rotations a classic experience. just because a couple servers didn't have rotations on Dragons and Gods, doesn't say that others didn't...that in fact rotated nearly everything, if not everything.

There is plenty of guilds on this server completely able to kill anything on this server, just never given the opportunity. This isn't TMO's fault, it's not IB, FE, Trans, TR or whoever guild got top-teir crown at one point, it's the current Raid system..which well over 80% of the server agree it's crappy....and don't agree with.

Rotations are just as classic as Competition. I'll agree it's not fair that we have a variance, but no offense (not trolling or being disrespectful here) to the devs but they are too narrow-minded to see this (they claim removing the variance will screw up the raid scene even more...but the recent repops we've randomly had completely show otherwise...though enabling a server forced rotation will in fact fix things 100%, and for the ones wanting competition could transfer over to red...or make a blue clone server would work too). While we all appreciate what they do, doesn't mean we have to agree 100% with them.

TL;DR


Wrong thread to discuss this..kinda, but anyways..

A-Team farming sky and selling rots is just like TMO farming CT/Inny/Fay etc. the only difference is the variance, which is a server-wide problem, not either of theirs...nor is it wrong what they are doing. they shown they reserve a spot in the sky rotation, its their kills to do what they wish with the loot. Nobody should be grudged for their decisions with their Loot.

Less bitching please, more server Cooperation!

[Handull]

a team isn't the only guild with shit rotting during sky raids. stuff even rotting during eabon's pick up raids. a team is, however, the only guild taking the time to sell their rots. they dont clear sky to make a profit, they do it for fun (its a game) and to get gear, just takes a while sometimes to get the right items to drop.

[Tuljin]

Yep, big difference between selling raid drops for 20k vs selling raid drops for 250k+ (and having that 250k+ get sunk into various neckbeard paypal accounts)

[RevengeofGio]

we compete with whatever guild show to kill a raid target, make sense to you?

but i agree with u we kick some ass and we cant find a solid competition thats terrible :(

Well that's because you brought an ak47 to a knife fight....

"Why can't you compete with us?"

-shoots all the people going for guns-

[Luchino]

Well that's because you brought an ak47 to a knife fight....

"Why can't you compete with us?"

-shoots all the people going for guns-


I like this.

[kotton05]

Ahem, what about the day TMO takes keeper so no one else can get past isle 4 so they can use sirran to kill...? That might change;)

[Luchino]

we gave FC keeper and gorg, just pulled spiroc lord. problem solved.

[mrmop520]

Was much appreciated and a fun raid was able to commence afterwards :)

[Clark]

Yep, big difference between selling raid drops for 20k vs selling raid drops for 250k+ (and having that 250k+ get sunk into various neckbeard paypal accounts)

[Clark]

Yep, big difference between selling raid drops for 20k vs selling raid drops for 250k+ (and having that 250k+ get sunk into various neckbeard paypal accounts)

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[xCry0x]

How would a rotation for dragons work given the number of guilds potentially capable of killing them?

CT/Inny/Trak/VS/out door dragons.. I would say TMO,FE, (Now IB?), Divinity, BDA, Taken, A-team, rapture, full circle, europa are all capable of gathering people and killing almost all of those targets if they were put on a normal non variance spawn timer. That would result in a what - 2 month wait to get your turn?

You would also have TMO shard out since they would not need the numbers they have now to lock down everything so you could probably add tmo1, tmo2, tmo3, tmo4 to that list and push the cycle to 3 months between kills.

The whole rotation works for crap like hate/fear/sky where there is a short respawn and more people can be fit in on a regular basis.

This situation with the number of dragon capable guilds in kunark was not classic so suggesting classic fixes to the problem does not make much sense.

[Wotsirb401]

Yeah if there was more to do, ie like Velious offers, there wouldnt need to be a rotation seeing as velious is about 3x the content we have now

[Funkutron5000]

Alright, trying to keep the schedule up to date. I know FE has been going early pm/ late AM on Saturdays. Has Rapture been doing Mondays? I know they also co-raid with BDA on Fridays pretty often. Also, has Europa found a time that works for them? I'll probably try and make a new post soon that will hopefully get stickied that will be for the schedule only while keeping this one as an open discussion on who goes up when!

[Sarius]

CT/Inny/Vox/Naggy/Trak/Sev/Gore/Fay/Tal/VS

10 targets. Each guild would get a mob at least once a week, which is better than not getting any ever. Will not happen until Velious if at all tho.

[xCry0x]

Well a rotation would make more sense initially because the number of guilds able to kill say anything in ntov would be limited to only tmo probably, maybe FE.

Then you have shit like all the giants where you might get more of a break down in who can and cannot kill things.

Rotations work great when there are 2-3 guilds who want to kill a mob on a 7 day spawn.. they dont work well when there are 10 guilds wanting/capable of killing it. And like I mentioned previously, if a rotation was implemented on static spawn timers then the need for a zerg force would end and you would see a lot of guilds fragment into smaller 20-30 person ish guilds which would further increase the number of 'raid capable' guilds.

[xCry0x]

CT/Inny/Vox/Naggy/Trak/Sev/Gore/Fay/Tal/VS

10 targets. Each guild would get a mob at least once a week, which is better than not getting any ever. Will not happen until Velious if at all tho.

Why on earth would TMO maintain the size of a raid force they have now and not fragment into 3-4 sub guilds? Even the same would hold true for guilds the size of FE, Taken, Full circle, Divinity..

If you know mob is going to spawn on sunday and you need 3 groups to kill it why would you ever want more than 40 people? It would be like WoW, you rarely had high end guilds with 100 members because only 40 people could go to a raid.. so you had guilds with 40 core raiders +- some alternates.

There i no reason to expect the same thing would not happen here...

[xCry0x]

Alright, trying to keep the schedule up to date. I know FE has been going early pm/ late AM on Saturdays. Has Rapture been doing Mondays? I know they also co-raid with BDA on Fridays pretty often. Also, has Europa found a time that works for them? I'll probably try and make a new post soon that will hopefully get stickied that will be for the schedule only while keeping this one as an open discussion on who goes up when!

We have gone both Mondays since we switched from sat to Monday the other week.

[Sarius]

Why on earth would TMO maintain the size of a raid force they have now and not fragment into 3-4 sub guilds? Even the same would hold true for guilds the size of FE, Taken, Full circle, Divinity..

If you know mob is going to spawn on sunday and you need 3 groups to kill it why would you ever want more than 40 people? It would be like WoW, you rarely had high end guilds with 100 members because only 40 people could go to a raid.. so you had guilds with 40 core raiders +- some alternates.

There i no reason to expect the same thing would not happen here...

Like I said this wouldn't even be likely until Velious POSSIBLY. At that point they would maintain large numbers for AoW and ToV

[pharmakos]

Azure Guard's sky raid went well tonight. a couple hiccups along the way, but altogether it was definitely a success. made it through island four and beat Keeper of Souls then called it a night. was a lot of fun. :) will definitely make it past island 4 next time.

[Jesseca]

I am curious as to who has Thursday nights slot for sky.

[Aata]

I am curious as to who has Thursday nights slot for sky.

Taken does Sky Thursdays.

[pharmakos]

the first post on page one of this thread stays updated/edited with the current schedule

[HallygukRZ]

<Europa> currently does PoSky on Wednesdays at around 2pm EST based on a bilateral agreement with <Divinity>.
We tried to contact any BDA officers about rotating in some Fridays but haven't had any luck yet.

Would be nice if you could update the schedule.

[Funkutron5000]

Updated for Europa's slot. Is anyone doing later on Saturdays?

[Jesseca]

Azure Guard is doing Sky on Saturdays 8pm est. right now. I was wondering if Taken would want to switch with us this week.

[arsenalpow]

<Europa> currently does PoSky on Wednesdays at around 2pm EST based on a bilateral agreement with <Divinity>.
We tried to contact any BDA officers about rotating in some Fridays but haven't had any luck yet.

Would be nice if you could update the schedule.

Actually I tried for days to get in touch with someone from Europa unsuccessfully. The initial talks came from one of your officers who told us that Europa will go up on Fridays whenever they have numbers to do so regardless of the current schedule as constructed.

If you'd like to talk to BDA leadership I'm not a hard man to find, I'm on daily or you can PM me here.

[Erati]

Azure Guard is doing Sky on Saturdays 8pm est. right now. I was wondering if Taken would want to switch with us this week.

Its a lil short notice to swap this week i think ( You need to talk to Fearstalker and Lostprophets to organize this). Also with the key corpses we'd have to go up thurs n corpse 40 people to then go up sat to raid ( we dont raid Saturdays so this would confuse people).

why are you looking to swap again?


Eratani

[Jesseca]

It is not that big of a deal. Our scheduled raids change from month to month and this Saturday was not one of them. However, we do raid nights that we don't schedule as well so Saturday will just have to be one of those nights.

We will be in Sky on Saturday night.

In the future if someone would like to raid a Saturday night just let me know if it is not one of our scheduled nights to raid I would be happy to switch for a particular week.

[Jesseca]

I am going to make our raid schedule for August here in the next few days. If any of the other guilds would like to trade a Saturday night for sky let me know by Wednesday at the latest. It would have to be an evening slot.

I would love to switch it up a bit. If I can not schedule a raid for every Saturday night I am sure my people would like me a little bit more. =)

[pharmakos]

i don't mind saturday nights for sky =p

[Splorf22]

So IB is in Sky tonight. I talked to Ektar who said that he was unaware of the rotation and that they were going to clear 1-4 so he could do his epic turnin. I offered a joint raid and they weren't interested.

Our general consensus is that Ektar is stacking the shit pretty high tonight. With the 30+ crew that the new IB now rolls with, someone had to have heard about the Sky rotation. If his only goal was to do a turnin he could have asked to go up with us or practically any guild. If they wanted to raid Sky they could have asked to be included in the rotation or even work with us. I think the only real way to interpret this is that IB is planning on playing hardball. Which isn't really that surprising, but consider it a heads up.

None of us in The A-team are interested in blowing up the Sky rotation over one night, and obviously we want to do our part to maintain some server harmony. But neither are we going to put up with IB walking all over us.

[pasi]

So IB is in Sky tonight. I talked to Ektar who said that he was unaware of the rotation and that they were going to clear 1-4 so he could do his epic turnin. I offered a joint raid and they weren't interested.

http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz162/Postorofpictures/EQ000001_zps5ddde792.png

[OffshoreHolding]

So IB is in Sky tonight. I talked to Ektar who said that he was unaware of the rotation and that they were going to clear 1-4 so he could do his epic turnin. I offered a joint raid and they weren't interested.

Our general consensus is that Ektar is stacking the shit pretty high tonight. With the 30+ crew that the new IB now rolls with, someone had to have heard about the Sky rotation. If his only goal was to do a turnin he could have asked to go up with us or practically any guild. If they wanted to raid Sky they could have asked to be included in the rotation or even work with us. I think the only real way to interpret this is that IB is planning on playing hardball. Which isn't really that surprising, but consider it a heads up.

None of us in The A-team are interested in blowing up the Sky rotation over one night, and obviously we want to do our part to maintain some server harmony. But neither are we going to put up with IB walking all over us.


Wow are you serious? 30+ for sky?! talk about zergs. Why would anyone do something like this? I mean you guys have a forum post stateing when you can and cannot raid sky. I mean its like sky is already given out so no one else raid it. IBisWORSEthanTMOimo. Ektar should have waiting until Tuesday at 3 am to do his epic. It would have been the morally correct thing to do ya know?

The LEAST those jerk could have done is stopped the raid and corpse resed all of the A-Team to their raid then giving the A-Team all the keys and the loot, right? its THEIR Turn to raid sky so no one else should be allowed!

[Ektar]

Dear everyone judging me and making me cry sad tears,

I was unaware of a sky rotation. As many will know, I played from '09 and quit then played again then have only started playing again about a month ago. We are not really doing much raiding (we killed naggy grats). I got miragul last night or this morning or something, and I was like ok time for sky. I went up to check and tmo was in there. I noted the kill time of isle 2, and we went up 8 hours later. That's how I thought it was done?

Our other leaders heavily involved in the game politics were not on at the time, so I led my own raid. I truly was ignorant of some rotation that I never agreed to.

And your pic is to claim I'm lying? Wait and see bro wait and see you'll like it. Actually it'll make me look like a cock but whatev.


oh btw fuck you baddies that just jump to worst case scenario. Needed to do a quest in sky, so I went up like you're supposed to. Next time I'll ask pals to take me up.

tata


editting in a ps~

I was sorry when that first pal talked to me. cuz I am a genuine person and, like I said, I was unaware. You guys seemed interested in higher sky isles and we weren't - so looked good and I was happy we compromised. But seeing as how someone else told me to fuck myself and others of my guild received similar tells, then the first guy just turned around and said fuck me

I'm sorry I'm not sorry.

[OffshoreHolding]

Dear everyone judging me and making me cry sad tears,

I was unaware of a sky rotation. As many will know, I played from '09 and quit then played again then have only started playing again about a month ago. We are not really doing much raiding (we killed naggy grats). I got miragul last night or this morning or something, and I was like ok time for sky. I went up to check and tmo was in there. I noted the kill time of isle 2, and we went up 8 hours later. That's how I thought it was done?

Our other leaders heavily involved in the game politics were not on at the time, so I led my own raid. I truly was ignorant of some rotation that I never agreed to.

And your pic is to claim I'm lying? Wait and see bro wait and see you'll like it. Actually it'll make me look like a cock but whatev.


oh btw fuck you baddies that just jump to worst case scenario. Needed to do a quest in sky, so I went up like you're supposed to. Next time I'll ask pals to take me up.

tata


editting in a ps~

I was sorry when that first pal talked to me. cuz I am a genuine person and, like I said, I was unaware. You guys seemed interested in higher sky isles and we weren't - so looked good and I was happy we compromised. But seeing as how someone else told me to fuck myself and others of my guild received similar tells, then the first guy just turned around and said fuck me

I'm sorry I'm not sorry.


This sounds like BS to me. classic steam rolling tactics. no one should be allowing in sky outside of their agreed upon rotation slot. THIS IS HOW SERVERS GET RUINED FOLKS.

[Morlaeth]

This sounds like BS to me. classic steam rolling tactics. no one should be allowing in sky outside of their agreed upon rotation slot. THIS IS HOW SERVERS GET RUINED FOLKS.

confirmed to the community

[Splorf22]

Ektar you cannot possibly expect me to believe that no one out of the 30 people you had on was unaware of the Sky rotation. After all, you did manage to post here 15 minutes after me. You just didn't give a fuck. If your position is "we ignore all rotations here at IB" then fine. The only real rules are those handed down by our Lord Rogean. But you and your anonymous troll should expect to have this position broadcast to the rest of the server.

edit: Also I have no idea why you are complaining about your treatment from us. I was politely offering you a joint sky raid while you were busy lying through your teeth.

[Ektar]

dear not-pal,

we had 22, not that this matters lol. It is easy to be made aware of a guild rotation thread when we are told there is a rotation. I refused the joint raid because we only wanted 4, you wanted 5+. why would we joint raid when you can just take what you want.

eat me, sorry I'm not sorry. lalalala let us meet in battle in rnf

[Tiggles]

Here at TMO we respect all raid agreements and are shocked to see Inglourious Basterds spitting in the face of an established sky rotation.

I hope that when the majority of IB's raid force hits 46+ in the coming months they will have worked out a dedicated Sky day.

I think FE used to do sky on Saturday when they raided I'm sure they won't have a problem joint raiding with you.

[akahdrin]

Servers get ruined by paladins completing epic quests. DELETE ALL PALADINS NOW!

[Shinko]

Here at TMO we respect all raid agreements and are shocked to see Inglourious Basterds spitting in the face of an established sky rotation.

I hope that when the majority of IB's raid force hits 46+ in the coming months they will have worked out a dedicated Sky day.

I think FE used to do sky on Saturday when they raided I'm sure they won't have a problem joint raiding with you.



na we are soild full for years to come for our sky raids

[Splorf22]

It's just funny watching the IB trolls flail around trying to defend this. Why don't you just own your evil actions, dark knight style?

[Ektar]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=113658


here. stop shitting up a server thread please. thaaaanks

[kenzar]

What time could we have raided to have avoided this? Is it just that we raided during an Ateam timeslot? Would you have been this upset if we had raided during one of the other guilds timeslots? I only ask because the current rotation is pretty tight on time schedule, so any IB sky raid is going to step on toes; Whose timeslot should we shit all over instead of Ateam?

[akahdrin]

IB trolls, you're funny. You're the one crying. You could stop complaining and go clear sky ;)

[Splorf22]

IB trolls, you're funny. You're the one crying. You could stop complaining and go clear skyCool, so your first argument is "our paladin epic supersedes your sky rotation" and your second argument is the good old "umadbro". I mean I don't even have to say anything, you guys are shitting on a rotation agreed to by the rest of the server and gloating about it.

What time could we have raided to have avoided this? Is it just that we raided during an Ateam timeslot? Would you have been this upset if we had raided during one of the other guilds timeslots? I only ask because the current rotation is pretty tight on time schedule, so any IB sky raid is going to step on toes; Whose timeslot should we shit all over instead of Ateam?

Are you seriously bitching about the fact that you are not included in a rotation that you never asked to join? This is getting more ridiculous with each post.

[kenzar]

Are you seriously bitching about the fact that you are not included in a rotation that you never asked to join? This is getting more ridiculous with each post.

No, I was just looking for an answer. Which timeslot would u prefer us impede upon next time? IB's new timeslot is called by the last guild whose turn was taken. Whose next Ateam?

[Splorf22]

I would prefer that a) you apologize for steamrolling this rotation and b) post and politely ask to join. At which point I suspect something can be worked out. Or you could continue your transparent attempt to manipulate me.

[kenzar]

I would prefer that a) you apologize for steamrolling this rotation and b) post and politely ask to join. At which point I suspect something can be worked out. Or you could continue your transparent attempt to manipulate me.

*If the guild whose timeslot was taken fails to choose the next target timeslot their decision will default back to their own timeslot.

Manipulation infers some necessity for permission; we are the rotation bro. Whose it gonna be next? I'm letting you pull the trigger on this one. If it's all the same to you Sunday PM is really convenient for our raid force.

[pharmakos]

rotation needs more euro and asian/australian guilds

[Splorf22]

*If the guild whose timeslot was taken fails to choose the next target timeslot their decision will default back to their own timeslot.

Manipulation infers some necessity for permission; we are the rotation bro. Whose it gonna be next? I'm letting you pull the trigger on this one. If it's all the same to you Sunday PM is really convenient for our raid force.

Thanks for making it even more clear who the assholes are in this situation.

And as I said before, we'd prefer not to blow up the sky rotation over one bad night, but we aren't going to take your shit lying down either.

[kenzar]

Thanks for making it even more clear who the assholes are in this situation.

And as I said before, we'd prefer not to blow up the sky rotation over one bad night, but we aren't going to take your shit lying down either.

Sunday PM it is then, we have a few more "epics" to get anyway. Ateam will get another chance at picking next timeslot target this time next week. See ya then!

[getsome]

Curious if the return of ib is going to make an already tight schedule even more interesting.

Maybe?

[Karafa]

Hand holding is fun. Yay!

[Funkutron5000]

Hey jackholes, stop shitting up my thread and take it to RnF where it belongs. If IB wants a spot I'm sure it can be worked out. It'd be nice to keep things civil in here, ya know?

[pharmakos]

shit shows like the last two pages make me want to just quit this fucking server.

sky rotation was the one thing that we've actually gotten a lot of guilds to agree on here, please lets try to keep this civil.

[getsome]

Last time I read this thread I recall it being one guild per day. I thought sky was open after TMO finished their raid. My apologies for not being more current with the state of the sky rotation.

To avoid any future problems IB requests a spot in the Sky rotation. We will give our first rotation spot or one of their choosing to the A Team.

[Funkutron5000]

Looks like it'll need to be either during the late morning/ early afternoon EST during the week (which I know works super well for US based guilds) or working out a co-raiding agreement with another guild. That, or we blow the whole dang thing up and start from scratch, but I doubt too many people would really want to do that!

Thanks for being a good man, Getsome.

[Shinko]

Forceful Entry and Azure Guar share sats like bosses

[Wotsirb401]

Joint raids aren't ideal, but it helps to make the server more friendly, helps with numbers and it helps with 12 guilds are trying to share one zone that has respawn of 8 hours

[Ektar]

word for word logs. not forged or anything I don't roll that way. all spam (you hit whatever for 4 points of damage because you're a sucky paladin etc.) edited out. color coded for convenience and necessary comments inserted.


[Sun Jun 30 21:14:03 2013] Sakuragi tells you, 'hey man, Sunday has been our sky day for a bit. Who is leading your raid?'

[Sun Jun 30 21:14:12 2013] You told Sakuragi, 'guess that's me'
What is Ektar thinking? -- damn it there must be a rotation or whatever and now I'm doing something wrong

[Sun Jun 30 21:14:35 2013] You told Sakuragi, 'sorry I just needed to turn in for my epic, didn't realize there was even a rotation or whatever'

[Sun Jun 30 21:14:38 2013] Sakuragi tells you, 'ho ho, someone admitting to leadership authority power'

[Sun Jun 30 21:15:13 2013] Sakuragi tells you, 'so how many people do you have and what are you planning to do'

[Sun Jun 30 21:15:25 2013] You told Sakuragi, 'we're going to 4 to do fiery avenger'

[Sun Jun 30 21:15:40 2013] Sakuragi tells you, 'its just a turnin right?'

[Sun Jun 30 21:15:43 2013] You told Sakuragi, 'just need to kill gorg to get up there'

[Sun Jun 30 21:16:46 2013] Sakuragi tells you, 'want to just joint raid then?'

[Sun Jun 30 21:16:56 2013] Sakuragi tells you, 'as long as you haven't totally fucked us up on keys'

[Sun Jun 30 21:17:16 2013] You told Sakuragi, 'IO mean as far as 2.. yeah probably'
We killed all azaracks and protector of sky and were on isle 3. There were no isle 2 keys left. (you can of course buy keys from 1 to 2)

[Sun Jun 30 21:17:37 2013] Sakuragi tells you, 'hmm'

[Sun Jun 30 21:17:41 2013] Sakuragi tells you, 'well i guess we can always drag'

[Sun Jun 30 21:18:21 2013] You told Sakuragi, 'as long as that works out'

[Sun Jun 30 21:18:49 2013] Sakuragi tells you, 'its possible to drag to 4'

[Sun Jun 30 21:18:56 2013] You told Sakuragi, 'ok cool'
What is Ektar thinking? -- I've wronged them, but it seems the wronged party will at least be able to pick up after the damage done.

[Sun Jun 30 21:19:28 2013] Sakuragi tells you, 'did you kill a trigger?'
I must've gotten distracted here because there's a 2 minute jump and no response. We had not killed a trigger.

[Sun Jun 30 21:21:18 2013] You told Sakuragi, 'what all are you planning to do up here?'

[Sun Jun 30 21:21:22 2013] Sakuragi tells you, 'anyway I guess my suggestion is that we port up and clear 5 together'

[Sun Jun 30 21:21:38 2013] Sakuragi tells you, 'could maybe do 6 but the bees won't respawn for a while'
What is Ektar thinking? -- Oh, even better. They want to do 5 and higher isles, and we are just stopping at 4. My "refusal" of the joint raid had nothing to do with wanting to take things for myself, but because we had no interest in what was being proposed.

note 3 minute time jump as we discussed things in vent

[Sun Jun 30 21:24:29 2013] You told Sakuragi, 'ok reviewed it with the rest of the guys here'

[Sun Jun 30 21:24:43 2013] You told Sakuragi, 'we just wanna to a keeper cycle then we're gtg'

[Sun Jun 30 21:25:07 2013] You told Sakuragi, 'so like 5 6 etc all you we're not in for a long sky raid'

[Sun Jun 30 21:25:14 2013] Sakuragi tells you, 'hmm alright'

next thing I know I am public enemy #1

any future complaints redirect to our associated rnf thread here:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...d.php?t=113658

[Splorf22]

Thanks for your kind words Getsome. I went to sleep pretty depressed about the impending destruction of the Sky rotation, the only thing the P1999 community has ever managed to cooperate on, but maybe there is hope for humanity yet. If you can find your own timeslot, great, otherwise (as I offered to Ektar) we can work with you. I'd still like to do our low numbers raids some of the time, but we could either team up and do isle 6+ periodically or maybe give you some nights every so often. Sky every week is actually kind of a lot; we don't mind doing other things occasionally.

I just want to emphasize that we at The A-Team would like to have good relations with everyone. I know that the endgame scene is just horribly overcrowded here and that it's impossible to avoid drama completely, but in general we try not to compete and race and leapfrog and if you give us a chance we are probably willing to work with you. I find raids more fun with 10-15 but I'd much rather join together and zerg something with 40 than rage out in RNF. All we ask is a little respect and cooperation.

[Splorf22]

[Sun Jun 30 21:24:43 2013] You told Sakuragi, 'we just wanna to a keeper cycle then we're gtg'
[Sun Jun 30 21:25:07 2013] You told Sakuragi, 'so like 5 6 etc all you we're not in for a long sky raid'
[Sun Jun 30 21:25:14 2013] Sakuragi tells you, 'hmm alright''

This is where I gave up. As I said we can drag to 4 but not 5. If you are going to kill the Keeper we're basically done. I'm sure you're familiar with where corpses can and cannot be dragged in Sky.

I think this log basically shows me trying to be reasonable under the circumstances, offering olive branches and joint raids and such. Noticeably absent is me telling you to fuck off.

I just find it hard to believe that none of the people you had on saw fit to mention the Sky rotation to you. It's not exactly a secret after all - only about 80% of the 50+ players on the server are in on it.

Regardless I hope we can move past all this.

[Gwence]

probably cuz no one knew about it

most of us have been away from the game for a long time now

[Ektar]

multiple keepers can be spawned, and therefore multiple sirrans to get keys to 5.


you hand in keys to our sirran from first keeper.


I know either of these options are only apparent to liars and cheats attempting to ruin good people who follow the rules.


please refer to this rnf post, as that is where I am trying to keep discussion.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1014333&postcount=56

I really am a decent fella. the sooner you accept that the better off we'll all be

[SavageBeast15]

Ignorance is never an excuse, only the weak fall back on this

[Ektar]

so you're saying that if someone is ignorant that your foot is right where he's about to step, steps on it, and then apologizes... that's a weak man?


your logic skills are lacking, young grasshopper.



please see this post in the rnf thread:
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1014333&postcount=56


and all following gems of intellect can be posted in the designated rnf thread

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1014333#post1014333

[Splorf22]

multiple keepers can be spawned, and therefore multiple sirrans to get keys to 5.

Are you suggesting that we should port up to Sky, wait one and a half hours for your Keeper to pop, then kill a trigger, and wait another one and a half hours for our Keeper?

you hand in keys to our sirran from first keeper.

I offered you a joint raid and you turned me down. Maybe in hindsight I should have asked for keys but how much do you expect me to push? My read was that you didn't want us there and even in the best case we'd basically have to port up and wait an hour and a half. I think Chardok was a better alternative.

How about we all just agree to move on from this?

[Ektar]

Dear sir,

you would have had to spawn the keeper.. anyway. you're making such claims and missing some key points here. you ported up and we were already on 3. if anything, ignoring we took any loot from 1-3, we saved you that time you would add to spawning a keeper.

is this why you asked if we did a trigger? you could have suggested you doing a trigger. further, if we agreed we'd have 1 keeper and leave, we'd just.. take that keeper you triggered. to save time of us getting to 4 and triggering.


stop saying I turned down a joint raid like it's such an evil thing to do. you suggest joint raiding 5 and 6 -- specifically. we did not want to do isle 5 or higher. simple. I'm sorry we were coming from different mindsets - I can see how it happened - but you can hardly deny my interpretation.


and, sir, idgaf. I only care about (1) people thinking I'm a piece of shit when I'm not and (2) poor logical reasoning backing it up.

[Splorf22]

you would have had to spawn the keeper.. anyway.

Under ordinary circumstances we would pull a trigger to isle 1 and kill it, and then clear 2, 3, and 4 while waiting for the Keeper to pop. So no, you did not save us any time, unless you consider going afk instead of clearing mobs to be saving time.

stop saying I turned down a joint raid like it's such an evil thing to do

You don't have to cooperate with us. My reasons for mentioning this were a) regardless of you taking our spot we tried to work with you and b) after talking to you I didn't get the sense that you would help us key to 5, because you didn't seem interested in working with us. Maybe that impression was wrong, but it is what I was feeling at the time.

and, sir, idgaf. I only care about (1) people thinking I'm a piece of shit when I'm not and (2) poor logical reasoning backing it up.

Haven't you presented your side of things sufficiently? People will have to read the thread and make their own decisions.

Personally as long as you guys attempt to join the Sky rotation normally I'm willing to just move on. Mistakes were made, shit happens, etc. No reason to be miserable about it for weeks.

[Splorf22]

To avoid any future problems IB requests a spot in the Sky rotation.

Getting back to the purpose of this thread, is everyone actually using their Sky spots? Because that schedule looks pretty miserable right now with Europa even doing Wednesday AM.

As I said before we're willing to either joint raid with IB or just pass on Sky 1-2x a month in the name of server harmony. Anyone else?

[Wotsirb401]

I can confirm all of them are adhereing other than TMO and Rapture, not too sure on the Sunday Monday crews

[diplo]

Getting back to the purpose of this thread, is everyone actually using their Sky spots? Because that schedule looks pretty miserable right now with Europa even doing Wednesday AM.

As I said before we're willing to either joint raid with IB or just pass on Sky 1-2x a month in the name of server harmony. Anyone else?

Loraen..i always knew you were a hacker.....two shiny robes on your magelo when it's lore! I KNEW IT!

[xCry0x]

I can confirm all of them are adhereing other than TMO and Rapture, not too sure on the Sunday Monday crews

What?

We have been going up every Monday since we changed from Saturday to Monday 3(?) weeks ago...

Was just up there last night, Layze got shot off isle 4 by a meteor and lost all of his keys... there was much crying.

[Funkutron5000]

I think he meant he couldn't confirm if you were going up or not, not that ya'll were doing something shady or something. Loraen, if you think you might have people interested in going up on Saturday in the early afternoon EST shoot me a PM and I'm sure something can be worked out between FE and the A-Team

[Splorf22]

Halmir at least I read that as "and I don't know about Rapture/TMO" instead of "and Rapture/TMO have vanished from the server".

Well if all guilds are using their slots hopefully we can find a few that are willing to joint raid with IB once a month. We're happy to be one of those guilds but we'd like some company too!

P.S. Come hang out with us sometime Diplo!

[Wotsirb401]

Correct sorry to confuse you Halmir, i didnt mean Rapture and TMO wasn't going up just didn't know as I dont have much interaction with TMO for obvious reasons and i dont log much time on Mondays. Thanks for clearing that up Corova

[Funkutron5000]

Haha, np Hitz. Just didn't want to see another rage fest blow up in my lovely thread!

[Lyra]

So if you want in on the schedule that appears to be full for prime time hours...you get on a waiting list?

[xCry0x]

Yea I read it that way, was just saying we go up every Monday now that we switched from Saturday =).

[kenzar]

Well if all guilds are using their slots hopefully we can find a few that are willing to joint raid with IB once a month.



thatsthejoke.jpg

[arsenalpow]

Never pull meteors, never pull the stupid avenging gazer

Amateur hour

[xCry0x]

Never pull meteors, never pull the stupid avenging gazer

Amateur hour

What was funny was first the tank got punted then summoned back before falling out of sky.. then Layze got punted through the door =P. The upset-ness rivaled you the other week when you got launched off the island.

But hey, we got 4 diaphorous<sp> globes for haste belts so good times!

[lecompte]

What was funny was first the tank got punted then summoned back before falling out of sky.. then Layze got punted through the door =P. The upset-ness rivaled you the other week when you got launched off the island.

But hey, we got 4 diaphorous<sp> globes for haste belts so good times!


Layze started cussing then just got really quiet. Was a scary time.

[getsome]

IB will be doing a 1-8 clear next week. Please contact me or post below with whatever night (est) is best for the rotation.

Thank you.

[Lostprophets]

So who's not holding to the rotation?

Someone came up and cleared island 2 today, leaving us with a handful of members needing keys from 2+...

[arsenalpow]

well europa went up early yesterday, i'm not sure if they communicated this to Divinity, and IB has been threatening so i'm assuming those are the most likely options.

[HallygukRZ]

well europa went up early yesterday, i'm not sure if they communicated this to Divinity, and IB has been threatening so i'm assuming those are the most likely options.

Thank you arsenalpow for assuming things.

Just to clear it up: We have an agreement with <Divinity> on Sky.

[arsenalpow]

Thank you arsenalpow for assuming things.

Just to clear it up: We have an agreement with <Divinity> on Sky.

Not trying to assume, simply investigating.

[pharmakos]

IB will be doing a 1-8 clear next week. Please contact me or post below with whatever night (est) is best for the rotation.

Thank you.

did IB ever do this, getsome?

[bizzum]

Never pull meteors, never pull the stupid avenging gazer

Amateur hour

Meteors give all the good globe drops. Pull em down into the house like a champ and tank em in the corner!

[getsome]

did IB ever do this, getsome?

Not yet.

[pharmakos]

thanks for being patient, man, its been over 10 days since you asked.

guys, when can IB get a shot at sky within the rotation?

edit -- actually i guess i'm presuming that you didn't already set something up via PM. did it ever get figured out?

[getsome]

Nothing definitive yet. I have spoken to a few guilds. Just waiting for the powers that be that put in place this rotation to set us up with our spot.

I have seen some guilds up there 3 times in one week.

[Awwalike]

tite rotation lolssssssssssssssss

must suck 2 be blue

[Splorf22]

IB and The A-Team shared Sunday tonight but mostly were owned by the DOS attacks and their resulting lag.

Next week: The A-Team and our 8 players vs Bazzt Zzzt

[pharmakos]

IB and The A-Team shared Sunday tonight

awesome :)

[lecompte]

IB and The A-Team shared Sunday tonight but mostly were owned by the DOS attacks and their resulting lag.

Next week: The A-Team and our 8 players vs Bazzt Zzzt

#1: Sharing is caring.
#2: If the new Bee is half as hard as the old one I need me a live stream.

[Awwalike]

sky should be a pvp zone on blue

[xCry0x]

sky should be a pvp zone on blue

Honestly with the amount of shit that rots we could probably work out some sort of on call system between guilds assuming people have keys.

We have a lot of mage/necro/wiz/enchanter shit rot every week.. usually shaman crap also.

All depends on what new people are there/alts are there.

[xCry0x]

Soo pending bee kill when they said they nerfed eye and bee god damn.. eye didnt AOE or hit harder than 200.. tank never droped below 90% hp.. =P

I guess the challenge now is engaging between massive lag spikes.

[khanable]

eye didnt AOE or hit harder than 200..

Seriously?

They were not kidding when they said 'significantly less difficult'

[Shinko]

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[Vianna]

IB goes to sky today before Full Circle sky raid and clears all of 5 including guardian. I thought they got a day on Sunday they were sharing ? We dont mind you guys going up to clear some Lords on 5 on a day that is scheduled for another guild...at least leave Guardian up and not completely screw over a raid that is on the rotation.

[Splorf22]

We aren't giving up our Sunday spot Vianna. I offered to share with IB once a month or so because Getsome asked for a slot and got no response.

[Vianna]

We aren't giving up our Sunday spot Vianna. I offered to share with IB once a month or so because Getsome asked for a slot and got no response.

Ah so they are basically just walking over people's days on the schedule. There are some folks in IB I like but, a lot of what I have seen from them so far in solb and Getsome knowing Tuesday was Full Circle's day because I talked to him about it last week. It's a shame they return to the server acting the way they are.

[getsome]

IB will be doing a 1-8 clear next week. Please contact me or post below with whatever night (est) is best for the rotation.

Thank you.

In lieu of no response IB raided islands 1 - 4 on a weekday between the hours of noon - 2 pm. If the "rotation" is now closed as the case seems to be, we will raid sky on our own terms.

Thank you.

[Thulack]

IB was up there yesterday when i went up to recorpse.

[Vianna]

In lieu of no response IB raided islands 1 - 4 on a weekday between the hours of noon - 2 pm. If the "rotation" is now closed as the case seems to be, we will raid sky on our own terms.

Thank you.

Expect nothing less from a guild that trains people for Ragefire and Tranix in solb. /shrug