Current Sky Schedule

[mrmop520]

Yeah its obvious they have no intention of working with any other guild-I had contacted Getsome yesterday regarding their clear and specifically requested them to leave alone bees (so FC can try 6 which we've been workin towards). Their actions were to not only kill bees, but to kill guardian / lord so late(6PM) that a weekday raid would not be able to engage island 5 till 2am..

Who knows if a slot on the rotation would even prevent this... but expect sky days to be walked on and ruined until IB has a spot.

[pharmakos]

In lieu of no response IB raided islands 1 - 4 on a weekday between the hours of noon - 2 pm

what time zone?

[kenzar]

The recent tone of this thread is puzzling. People are very vocal and upset when IB raids sky without regard to a rotation. Then, as soon as IB formally requests a spot within the rotation, everyone clams up (with the exception of Ateam, ty) and the request goes unanswered for weeks. Fuck that passive-aggressive mentality; be assertive. You can pussyfoot around about it if you want, but IB is not going to sit idle while "waiting" for an answer that may not ever come. That's simply not how we do things.

[getsome]

what time zone?

est

[xCry0x]

Given the excessive number of guilds who are sky capable the server is in a shitty situation.

IB wants added to rotation, rightfully so. But there literally is 0 spots available and I honestly cannot think of any reasonable solution to the problem.

The only 'solution' that comes to mind would be some sort of massive server wide public raid setup where we move away from the paradigm of guild x monday guild y tuesday etc and move towards guild x leads monday (public) guild y leads Tuesday (public) to spread out the leadership job while not alienating guilds.

To become part of the rotation a guild would have to demonstrate they are capable of a full clear killing spiroc lord, bee, eye by themselves. (nobody wants to hand hold and feed loot to anyone)

Then you get into the issue of how loot is distributed? I know when we go we usually random everything since only a couple of people ever need anything... if things went to a public raid then the numbers would go up and more people would probably need items. Maybe ./random with priority going to lvl 60s?

Not sure what the correct answer is but having 1 guild that is more than capable of clearing sky left on the sidelines is going to result in nothing more than a cluster fk and more server drama as events like these happen regularly.

-another solution?-

I have made the argument before that the situation on the server is in itself non-classic due to the whole timeline of things. On a classic timeline there would not be 10+ guilds capable of clearing sky, therefor maybe the solution needs to be a non-classic solution?

I think the stone in the road to more guilds getting into sky is that the bee queen is a 12 hr respawn while everything else is 6hr? (someone has to correct me if I am wrong as I don't pay a ton of attention to these things).

Well editing the respawn to be 6 hrs like the rest of the place would easily allow double full clears on Sat/Sunday and the potential of an additional clear on weekdays if guild 1 starts at noon est and guild 2 starts ~6pm est.

Taking it a step further, lowering the respawn to 4-5 hours all around would make the whole thing a lot more viable.

Of course this goes down a slipper slope, hey , why not make instances? Hey, make trak respawn every 5 hours so everyone can kill him..

Hey, restart on a new server so this whole non-classic timeline bullshit is cleared =P

[Trax]

Or, you can man up and just go up when you need something and not suck so the next people clearing behind you aren't waiting more than 15min on respawns.

In response to that guy commenting about IB once a month in Sky:

Last I checked, IB went up there at 12noon EST. They finished Island 4 and 5 in time for your guild to come up and start clearing during their set raid time. You're mad about what? Killing Bees? I'm sorry they didn't respect your Disneyland rotation. We'll be sure to check in with Walt next time before we zone into Plane of Sky.

One Sky raid a month for IB isn't going to work.

[Hurley]

They have a bunch of level 54's they actually need the sky loot.

[pharmakos]

IB goes to sky today before Full Circle sky raid and clears all of 5 including guardian. I thought they got a day on Sunday they were sharing ? We dont mind you guys going up to clear some Lords on 5 on a day that is scheduled for another guild...at least leave Guardian up and not completely screw over a raid that is on the rotation.

In lieu of no response IB raided islands 1 - 4 on a weekday between the hours of noon - 2 pm. If the "rotation" is now closed as the case seems to be, we will raid sky on our own terms.

Thank you.

Yeah its obvious they have no intention of working with any other guild-I had contacted Getsome yesterday regarding their clear and specifically requested them to leave alone bees (so FC can try 6 which we've been workin towards). Their actions were to not only kill bees, but to kill guardian / lord so late(6PM) that a weekday raid would not be able to engage island 5 till 2am..

Who knows if a slot on the rotation would even prevent this... but expect sky days to be walked on and ruined until IB has a spot.

i'm confused

what time does FC usually start their sky raids? island 5 at 2AM isn't that unreasonable. clearing all of sky used to be considered a two day event back in 2000. if IB did indeed start sky at noon-2PM then i don't really see what they did wrong.

Azure Guard and Forceful Entry share Sky on Saturdays. sometimes we can't start Island 2 until 9PM-10PM because of it, but you don't see us clamoring on the forum accusing them of walking all over the rotation.

its a crowded server, stuff happens. this is EverQuest, raiding until past 2AM is a pretty common thing.

[Raavak]

I'll probably be shot for typing this but we could always do like an 8-day cycle. Means your day changes every week but at least everyone gets a day.

When Velious comes out it won't be so croweded.

[Lanuven]

There are plenty of times available for IB to raid without disrupting any of this rotation. Currently Divinity and Europa are doing sky on the same day and we have only been limited once last week not being able to clear 1-4. If IB didnt have some of the leadership that they currently do, people would be more willing to contact them and work out an agreement to share days. When you come into a thread and DEMAND you be included after training people for such minor targets as Tranix, you will not be taken seriously.

For two times in this server history do we now have a working rotation for something. IB comes in here crying and demanding to be included and when they are ignored, the same way they ignore other people who are on the receiving end of their trains, the guild comes to the forums and calls the rotation "Disney Land."

Get over yourselves, nothing is owed to you. You are the laughing stock of the server and the only thing you are currently competing in on this server is who can be the biggest asshole.

[pharmakos]

^^ who from IB was training at FGs?

[Aaron]

When Velious comes out it won't be so croweded.

This is pretty much the server motto. :cool:

[kenzar]

Get over yourselves, nothing is owed to you.

There it is; I found the joke! Good one!

[Thulack]

How about since IB late to the show they get a AM slot on a day when the PM guild raids later in the day? Just because you want a shot doesnt mean you get to squeeze in whenever you want. Your late to the show you get a shitty slot.

[Trax]

There are plenty of times available for IB to raid without disrupting any of this rotation. Currently Divinity and Europa are doing sky on the same day and we have only been limited once last week not being able to clear 1-4. If IB didnt have some of the leadership that they currently do, people would be more willing to contact them and work out an agreement to share days. When you come into a thread and DEMAND you be included after training people for such minor targets as Tranix, you will not be taken seriously.

For two times in this server history do we now have a working rotation for something. IB comes in here crying and demanding to be included and when they are ignored, the same way they ignore other people who are on the receiving end of their trains, the guild comes to the forums and calls the rotation "Disney Land."

Get over yourselves, nothing is owed to you. You are the laughing stock of the server and the only thing you are currently competing in on this server is who can be the biggest asshole.

Who was ever crying? I think the only people crying in this thread were FC because they had to wait around for their respawn an extra 30minutes. Last I checked it wasn't against server rules to clear Plane of Sky, so let me hand you a box of tissues. We didn't step on any toes. We came in when it was a full pop at 12pm EST, and no guild showed up until 7 or 8pm EST. Get over yourself before I pinch off another loaf in your kiddy pool.

[Thulack]

There was atleast a dozen IB still in sky around 5pm est.

[Trax]

There was atleast a dozen IB still in sky around 5pm est.

Correct. We killed Bazzt Zzzt for keys. We got what we wanted.

[kenzar]

How about since IB late to the show they get a AM slot on a day when the PM guild raids later in the day? Just because you want a shot doesnt mean you get to squeeze in whenever you want. Your late to the show you get a shitty slot.

Late to the show?

First to kill Noble Dojorn: Inglourious Basterds
First to kill The Spiroc Lord: Inglourious Basterds
First to kill Bazzt Zzzt: Inglourious Basterds
First to kill Sister of the Spire: Inglourious Basterds
First to kill Hand of Veeshan: Darkwind & Inglourious Basterds

We have season tickets.

[Thulack]

Late to the show?



We have season tickets.

Your IB"2". And being douches doesnt keep your spot at the table.

[Burt]

I say we find these poor IB guys a slot in the rotation. They don't get to do much these days, in fact I think the only dragon TMO lets them kill is Ragefire =)

[kenzar]

Your're IB"2". And being douches doesnt keep your spot at the table.
I was present at all the server firsts cited in my previous post, as were most of the guilds current core. Although I don't really see how that is relevant.

You still are not getting it, sky isn't a table, *see ektar's analogy.

[Ektar]

dear friend,

http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz162/Postorofpictures/untitled11.jpg


IB is IB. we have not left.. just went away for a while.



ps. there is no table. just a bunch of lost boys pretending there's dinner.

[Ektar]

that being said

I was driving home when sky was happening so idk what's going on, but do not claim I ain't got no rights to sky =p

[arsenalpow]

So this new IB as led by Ektar tried to race for Yael the other night, they rushed an engage and wiped with low numbers.

I think in BDA vent someone compared it to "dunking on MJ in a Wizard's uniform"

new IB isn't the IB we're accustomed to, same sense of entitlement but not really the crew to back it up yet

[Ektar]

ok hold on

firstly i am not leader. i kinda like how people think it though.


then I wasn't even there for yael until the final attempt when they called in reinforcements. I got DTed it was awesome.

and direct your luls to rnf not in the sky thread I would assume is the proper way

[arsenalpow]

ok hold on

firstly i am not leader. i kinda like how people think it though.


then I wasn't even there for yael until the final attempt when they called in reinforcements. I got DTed it was awesome.

and direct your luls to rnf not in the sky thread I would assume is the proper way

oh, I was under the impression you were running that yael attempt, that was what i meant by lead

[mrmop520]

i'm confused

what time does FC usually start their sky raids? island 5 at 2AM isn't that unreasonable. clearing all of sky used to be considered a two day event back in 2000. if IB did indeed start sky at noon-2PM then i don't really see what they did wrong.

Azure Guard and Forceful Entry share Sky on Saturdays. sometimes we can't start Island 2 until 9PM-10PM because of it, but you don't see us clamoring on the forum accusing them of walking all over the rotation.

its a crowded server, stuff happens. this is EverQuest, raiding until past 2AM is a pretty common thing.

We usually start at 7pm EST. Being a primarily eastern timezone guild we have to start early because people have work the next day. While a later raid works on weekends, on weekdays its a strain on everyone, usually we are up to island 5 by 10pm, so this threw off our raid considerably as we were literally waiting as every island after 1 popped.. this was after starting late at 8pm to compensate for IB clearing.

Either way, after trying to communicate and reach an agreement to leave bees/guardian alone, and having Getsome (their raid leader) agree to it.. its absurd to port up and see bee queen engaged.

[spoils]

How about u guys settle this by your best pally vs ib's best pally...winner gets to choose their slot. Somehow an agreement needs to be made and additions made to the rotation.

So far the facts are...ib went up and pissed off people...they said mah bad, then asked for a slot. No one spoke up including the people who got pissed, and so ib decided it was time to remind you of why y'all got so mad. Basically told u guys to hurry up and decide.

Hurry up and let the fellowship of the plane convene...lest ib goes all dildo faggins on y'all for being dumb

[kenzar]

Either way, after trying to communicate and reach an agreement to leave bees/guardian alone, and having Getsome (their raid leader) agree to it.. its absurd to port up and see bee queen engaged.

That is absurd! It's almost like the server raids works on an FTE ruleset.



So far the facts are...ib went up and pissed off people...they said mah bad, then asked for a slot. No one spoke up including the people who got pissed, and so ib decided it was time to remind you of why y'all got so mad.
accurate.

[Ektar]

How about u guys settle this by your best pally vs ib's best pally...winner gets to choose their slot. Somehow an agreement needs to be made and additions made to the rotation.

So far the facts are...ib went up and pissed off people...they said mah bad, then asked for a slot. No one spoke up including the people who got pissed, and so ib decided it was time to remind you of why y'all got so mad. Basically told u guys to hurry up and decide.

Hurry up and let the fellowship of the plane convene...lest ib goes all dildo faggins on y'all for being dumb

this seems to sum it up I think.

except I have major anxiety issues being put on the spot to pvp like that would make me really uncomfortable

[quido]

lol I'd be anxious too if i was bad

[Ektar]

jeremy what the hell bro

I am so good I am PLing someone while doing this and he only died once

[quido]

may as well lay the cut straight here

[Lanuven]

How about u guys settle this by your best pally vs ib's best pally...winner gets to choose their slot. Somehow an agreement needs to be made and additions made to the rotation.

So far the facts are...ib went up and pissed off people...they said mah bad, then asked for a slot. No one spoke up including the people who got pissed, and so ib decided it was time to remind you of why y'all got so mad. Basically told u guys to hurry up and decide.

Hurry up and let the fellowship of the plane convene...lest ib goes all dildo faggins on y'all for being dumb

Agreements are best made out of forums, with tells to officers of the guilds currently following this rotation. If you want a certain time / slot and someone has been already doing that time and day for the past couple months or so, get with that guild and talk it over. Then post the agreement here for all to see. In the case of IB..there is usually no reasonable solution, because they want the world and aren't willing to cooperate given their past reputation.

BDA has server BoTB pally, so Ektar loses by default. They get the scraps.

[spoils]

Agreements are best made out of forums, with tells to officers of the guilds currently following this rotation. If you want a certain time / slot and someone has been already doing that time and day for the past couple months or so, get with that guild and talk it over. Then post the agreement here for all to see. In the case of IB..there is usually no reasonable solution, because they want the world and aren't willing to cooperate given their past reputation.

BDA has server BoTB pally, so Ektar loses by default. They get the scraps.

*shrug on the first part...but the way it looks, effort was made to get a spot. But at the same time most guilds emerging on this server will be USA based guilds and there's only so many slots within a reasonable time. Ib or not, how will any guild get a slot then? Y'all gonna tell them no? I'm speaking regardless of how sore the anuses are. I suggest something to the effect of coin tosses in football games to see who gets possession...except I'd prefer a duel cause its more fun and I chose pallys cause Ektar, so far, is by far the most entertaining poster on these damn forums.

Anyone else want a /areyounotentertained? Moment?

tl:dr; sky rotation is saturated, decide how can other USA based guilds reasonably raid there? Duel for slots and allow for rematches. Skill>all. Ektar=Maximus.

[Kinsawt]

You're all more than welcome to contact me (on Kinsavvt) or Getsome in game to discuss this in more depth. As someone said previously, issues like this usually get handled better in game. We might not be on but someone can usually track us down if the conversation warrants. This bitterness and egotistical flaming should be saved for another topic and another day, when it matters. I would do the reaching out, but I don't know who speaks for whom.

[pharmakos]

How about since IB late to the show they get a AM slot on a day when the PM guild raids later in the day? Just because you want a shot doesnt mean you get to squeeze in whenever you want. Your late to the show you get a shitty slot.

they did noon on a weekday. that's not exactly "squeezing in whenever they want"

[Blink]

hello friends

[pharmakos]

So this new IB as led by Ektar tried to race for Yael the other night, they rushed an engage and wiped with low numbers.

I think in BDA vent someone compared it to "dunking on MJ in a Wizard's uniform"

new IB isn't the IB we're accustomed to, same sense of entitlement but not really the crew to back it up yet

are you saying that they are not entitled to a spot on the sky rotation?

does that mean that no new guilds are entitled to a spot on the sky rotation?

or is IB just being hated on because of their past dominance?

[Vianna]

You're all more than welcome to contact me (on Kinsavvt) or Getsome in game to discuss this in more depth. As someone said previously, issues like this usually get handled better in game. We might not be on but someone can usually track us down if the conversation warrants. This bitterness and egotistical flaming should be saved for another topic and another day, when it matters. I would do the reaching out, but I don't know who speaks for whom.

Getsome was already told about tuesday. So obviously it isn't best worked out in game. Maybe you should talk to guild members. Only way I have seen IB settle things is train people who beat em to spawns. /shrug

[Blink]

hello gents

[Kinsawt]

Alright Vianna, I take it you speak for Full Circle and that we're done trying to work this out. Fair enough. If I'm mistaken, hit me up.

[Vianna]

We usually start at 7pm EST. Being a primarily eastern timezone guild we have to start early because people have work the next day. While a later raid works on weekends, on weekdays its a strain on everyone, usually we are up to island 5 by 10pm, so this threw off our raid considerably as we were literally waiting as every island after 1 popped.. this was after starting late at 8pm to compensate for IB clearing.

Either way, after trying to communicate and reach an agreement to leave bees/guardian alone, and having Getsome (their raid leader) agree to it.. its absurd to port up and see bee queen engaged.


But Ramblin... They just said if we contact them in game it would be the best way....Don't tell me they just don't want to work with anyone and want everything their way. This couldn't be true because they are so agreeable with everything else.

[SavageBeast15]

Alright Vianna, I take it you speak for Full Circle and that we're done trying to work this out. Fair enough. If I'm mistaken, hit me up.

"we were Douches after you tried to work it out like I asked, now that you're being douches back were done acting like were not douches, were going back to being douches" is what i got out of that

[Vianna]

Alright Vianna, I take it you speak for Full Circle and that we're done trying to work this out. Fair enough. If I'm mistaken, hit me up.

It was worked out your officer straight up lied. How do you trust people who constantly train your guild and have officers who lie ? I mean I should show the logs of a conversation me and Getsome had after Ragefire got trained by one of your bards. It's just comical the things he puts in text and then completely disregards 10 minutes later.

[spoils]

Lol ib and tmo should just merge under new name <Haters gonna hate>

Or better yet <Fuck You>

Lots of butthurt and impatience!

[zanderklocke]

Lol ib and tmo should just merge

That's like asking oil and water to mix.

[Servellious]

Rotations don't work when people don't rotate

[getsome]

mrmop520 your guildmate Vianna accused me of lieing and you stated I made an agreement which I never made. I will post the logs of our chat.

My goal was to schedule a raid that did not interfere with your rotation. Noon EST for a mostly US guild during the week is early, we took what he had online to go to sky and get keyed. Our goal was to be done with 1-4 before 2 pm so your raid would be minimally impacted. Island three boss was killed @ 1:30 pm est.

[Tue Jul 16 13:29:55 2013] Gorgalosk has become ENRAGED.

I was told in your rotation thread, to raid during the week early in the day so I attempted to follow the advice we were given.

Rakpartha has the best idea I have seen. but I understand if your rotation is closed to new guilds. IB is capable of raiding sky on our terms.

Thank you.

Enjoy the wall of text,

[Mon Jul 08 23:11:48 2013] You told Llog, 'you all raiding sky tomore?'
[Mon Jul 08 23:11:58 2013] Llog tells you, 'yeah every tuesday'
[Mon Jul 08 23:12:07 2013] You told Llog, 'do you clear it all?'
[Mon Jul 08 23:12:15 2013] Llog tells you, 'nah barely get to 5 some times'
[Mon Jul 08 23:12:33 2013] You told Llog, 'so keeper kill and quits, or u try for lord?'
[Mon Jul 08 23:14:16 2013] Llog tells you, 'our goal is usually to kill as many lords as possible but we usually struggle to get there'

[Tue Jul 16 14:38:31 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'heyas - just noticed you guys are in sky atm.. able to talk when you have a moment?'
[Tue Jul 16 14:38:38 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'sure'
[Tue Jul 16 14:39:31 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'i'm sure you're aware FC clears tuesday evenings- just wondering what time youall started the clear'
[Tue Jul 16 14:39:55 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'we started @ noon'
[Tue Jul 16 14:40:18 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'Ok, are you guys planning on going past 5?'
[Tue Jul 16 14:40:37 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'yeah'
[Tue Jul 16 14:41:04 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'Ok.. to my understanding bees are 12 hour repop right?'
[Tue Jul 16 14:41:40 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'i will check, not sure'
[Tue Jul 16 14:42:01 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'i believe island 1 is 6hr, rest is 2, and bees / sister are 12hr'
[Tue Jul 16 14:43:40 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'I have no issue with you guys doing an early clear on our sky day--would prefer a little earlier start time we usually aim for 7

not 8... however this week we were hoping to try bees for the first go.. finally got to killing spiroc lord easily etc..'
[Tue Jul 16 14:44:38 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'starting earlier than noon is difficult'
[Tue Jul 16 14:44:39 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'just wondering if youall could farm lords at the end instead of bees this week.. if you wanted we could alternate weeks if you

guys are planning to make it a regular thing'
[Tue Jul 16 14:44:50 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'i know.. if it were weekends i'd be all for starting later'
[Tue Jul 16 14:45:19 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'we just have alot that work and have to log by midnight.. making long raids rough unless we start at 7ish'
[Tue Jul 16 14:45:21 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'its not a regular thing'
[Tue Jul 16 14:45:26 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'i had a day off today to lead a raid'
[Tue Jul 16 14:46:17 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'thats cool--guess im just bummed we finally get to do a full clear (our day was on efreeti day forever and TMO was quite tough

to communicate w/..) and we got the momentum to get at bees'
[Tue Jul 16 14:46:24 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'just i think they would repop too late for us'
[Tue Jul 16 14:47:40 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'i tried to start as early as possible to day, so you all would have your mobs up, last i spoke to llog you guys were doing up to

lord on good days'
[Tue Jul 16 14:47:53 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'did not know bee was in your target window '
[Tue Jul 16 14:48:01 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'right last go we did about 10 lords w/o charmin'
[Tue Jul 16 14:48:11 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'and bee queen just got re-tuned.. we ready for it'
[Tue Jul 16 14:50:15 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'what is respawn on lord?'
[Tue Jul 16 14:50:19 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'instant'
[Tue Jul 16 14:50:21 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'just leave guardian up'
[Tue Jul 16 14:50:24 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'if you leave guardian'
[Tue Jul 16 14:50:32 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'and if not?'
[Tue Jul 16 14:50:36 2013] Gwynevere tells you, '8hr i believe'
[Tue Jul 16 14:56:45 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'well hope ya guys have a good clear.. if you do end doing bees mind lettin someone in my guild know the time of death?'
[Tue Jul 16 14:57:34 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'sure, thing, i may just stick to lords, if u all were planning bees'
[Tue Jul 16 14:58:38 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'we'd appreciate that :) feel free to hitme up on my mains (Wispy / Ramblin) if you ever need to coordinate anything etc.'
[Tue Jul 16 18:40:14 2013] Braegon tells you, 'can i bend your ear a sec to ask about PoS? if you are busy i understand, but i was wondering when 1-3 were cleared if you happen

to know'
[Tue Jul 16 18:40:53 2013] You told braegon, '12-1:30'
[Tue Jul 16 18:41:05 2013] Braegon tells you, 'est?'
[Tue Jul 16 18:41:12 2013] You told Braegon, 'yes'
[Tue Jul 16 18:41:55 2013] Braegon tells you, 'cool thanks'
[Tue Jul 16 20:04:54 2013] You told braegon, 'are you going to kill the princess soon?'
[Tue Jul 16 20:04:58 2013] Braegon tells you, 'yes'
[Tue Jul 16 20:05:03 2013] You told Braegon, 'how soon, '
[Tue Jul 16 20:05:10 2013] You told Braegon, 'cause u cant have another sirran up'
[Tue Jul 16 20:05:21 2013] Braegon tells you, 'however long it takes us to kill spirits'
[Tue Jul 16 20:05:54 2013] Braegon tells you, 'we will wait till you are done'
[Tue Jul 16 20:16:27 2013] Braegon tells you, 'we are gonna do princess shortly'
[Tue Jul 16 20:16:32 2013] You told Braegon, 'go for it'
[Tue Jul 16 20:16:44 2013] Braegon tells you, 'waiting on one more port up...for some reason ;b'
[Tue Jul 16 20:43:57 2013] You told braegon, 'we got a sirran up'
[Tue Jul 16 20:44:01 2013] Braegon tells you, 'k'
[Tue Jul 16 20:44:22 2013] Braegon tells you, 'tell me when he is down'
[Tue Jul 16 20:44:31 2013] You told Braegon, 'will do'
[Tue Jul 16 20:52:58 2013] Braegon tells you, 'your sirran still up?'

[getsome]

There are plenty of times available for IB to raid without disrupting any of this rotation. Currently Divinity and Europa are doing sky on the same day and we have only been limited once last week not being able to clear 1-4. If IB didnt have some of the leadership that they currently do, people would be more willing to contact them and work out an agreement to share days. When you come into a thread and DEMAND you be included after training people for such minor targets as Tranix, you will not be taken seriously.


Lanuven you seem to be full of blind hate. if you took the time to comprehend what you read, you would understand we did go up to sky early that day to avoid disrupting the rotation. Please find the post were I demanded to be included.

ps you should work on your resist set so you do not die on Ragefire.

[Karafa]

There are plenty of times available for IB to raid without disrupting any of this rotation. Currently Divinity and Europa are doing sky on the same day and we have only been limited once last week not being able to clear 1-4. If IB didnt have some of the leadership that they currently do, people would be more willing to contact them and work out an agreement to share days. When you come into a thread and DEMAND you be included after training people for such minor targets as Tranix, you will not be taken seriously.

For two times in this server history do we now have a working rotation for something. IB comes in here crying and demanding to be included and when they are ignored, the same way they ignore other people who are on the receiving end of their trains, the guild comes to the forums and calls the rotation "Disney Land."

Get over yourselves, nothing is owed to you. You are the laughing stock of the server and the only thing you are currently competing in on this server is who can be the biggest asshole.

This is a precious retort from a pitiful sociopath. We have a multitude of guilds in this thread that can be quoted bragging about how the majority of their loots rot, yet you're saying we need to get over ourselves and nothing is owed to us. Exactly our point! If the guilds on this rotation that have been farming sky for 6+ months wont share, then we will continue to "it's classic" this shit and go up when we please. I'm so sorry you need your hands held to clear content!

[arsenalpow]

This is a precious retort from a pitiful sociopath. We have a multitude of guilds in this thread that can be quoted bragging about how the majority of their loots rot, yet you're saying we need to get over ourselves and nothing is owed to us. Exactly our point! If the guilds on this rotation that have been farming sky for 6+ months wont share, then we will continue to "it's classic" this shit and go up when we please. I'm so sorry you need your hands held to clear content!

Most infamous guild on the server, skirts/breaks/lawyers every rule in the book, then calls part of the Divinity leadership a sociopath. Ok.

[cs616]

Reading Chest's posts when FE and now IB have tried to join this rotation has been hilarious. People like him and Lanuven are going to ruin this rotation for everyone with the way they treat new guilds trying to join the rotation. You guys do realize that if you shit all over guilds trying to join the rotation they're just not going to join, right? You don't think FE, IB and TMO would like to raid sky whenever it best suits them? The only reason they aren't is because even the most hard-core among us can recognize something that is good for the server when they see it. However, if you take weeks to bring them into the fold, sling insults their way, and generally shit all over them, don't be surprised when they just say fuck it and do whatever they want.

I feel like you guys are under the impression that this organized rotation gives you some sort of bargaining power in regard to when guilds can raid sky, and really that power only exists so long as the guilds voluntarily apart of this agreement stick to it. This isn't a carrot v. stick scenario, because there is no stick aside from you guys getting mad and calling them names, which isn't a very effective stick. IB went up one day at a time they thought would be the least inconvenient to the other guilds in the rotation and you guys are acting like they're the second coming of Pol Pot. If you want this rotation to succeed you need people to want to abide by it since it is voluntary, and not making time for them and then shitting on them when they raid at a time that no one else uses isn't the best way to make them want to abide by it. As they say, you catch more flies with honey.

I'm not really raiding lately and FE already has our spot, so this only concerns me so far as I think it is cool that the rotation has worked out well for the server so far and I'd like to see it continued. But for real, if this thing is going to survive, throwing insults around and making it stupid difficult to get a spot in the rotation are issues that need to get worked out.

[arsenalpow]

Reading Chest's posts when FE and now IB have tried to join this rotation has been hilarious. People like him and Lanuven are going to ruin this rotation for everyone with the way they treat new guilds trying to join the rotation. You guys do realize that if you shit all over guilds trying to join the rotation they're just not going to join, right? You don't think FE, IB and TMO would like to raid sky whenever it best suits them? The only reason they aren't is because even the most hard-core among us can recognize something that is good for the server when they see it. However, if you take weeks to bring them into the fold, sling insults their way, and generally shit all over them, don't be surprised when they just say fuck it and do whatever they want.

I feel like you guys are under the impression that this organized rotation gives you some sort of bargaining power in regard to when guilds can raid sky, and really that power only exists so long as the guilds voluntarily apart of this agreement stick to it. This isn't a carrot v. stick scenario, because there is no stick aside from you guys getting mad and calling them names, which isn't a very effective stick. IB went up one day at a time they thought would be the least inconvenient to the other guilds in the rotation and you guys are acting like they're the second coming of Pol Pot. If you want this rotation to succeed you need people to want to abide by it since it is voluntary, and not making time for them and then shitting on them when they raid at a time that no one else uses isn't the best way to make them want to abide by it. As they say, you catch more flies with honey.

I'm not really raiding lately and FE already has our spot, so this only concerns me so far as I think it is cool that the rotation has worked out well for the server so far and I'd like to see it continued. But for real, if this thing is going to survive, throwing insults around and making it stupid difficult to get a spot in the rotation are issues that need to get worked out.

That's a funny interpretation of the events. FE showed up and demanded a spot of their choosing and said either give it to us or we'll take it. IB just did the same thing which isn't a surprise considering its basically the same folks. They didn't even make an attempt to coordinate anything, they went up because they felt like it and then outright lied to FC. IB is gonna do what they wanna do, they enjoy the infamy and wear that shit like a badge of honor so lets call a spade a spade and stop trying to villify the guilds in the rotation that actually try to make it work. Azure Guard went through the proper channels, so did Europa, but IB is a unique snowflake apparently.

[getsome]

did you outline the proper channels? i must have missed that. if posting on this thread asking for a spot and then waiting more than 10 days for a response is not acceptable before we go up and raid sky during a non rotation time, then please spell out the proper channels.

[spoils]

Didn't I warn u guys that if you don't be decisive in setting up entrance into the rotation, guilds are gonna remind you by making y'all mad? Nowhere in this thread have I seen the "powers to be" outline such guidelines. I don't blame ib one bit.

[mrmop520]

Okay so Gwynevere = Me.

[Tue Jul 16 14:56:45 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'well hope ya guys have a good clear.. if you do end doing bees mind lettin someone in my guild know the time of death?'
[Tue Jul 16 14:57:34 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'sure, thing, i may just stick to lords, if u all were planning bees'
[Tue Jul 16 14:58:38 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'we'd appreciate that feel free to hitme up on my mains (Wispy / Ramblin) if you ever need to coordinate anything etc.'

"I may just stick to lords, if u all were planning bees"

Wow now that sounds like the agreement we reached. However when we ported up to sky we learned that they were on island 6 killing bees. I attempted to communicate in a manner that let them have their early clear and did not screw FC over. However, they clearly did not give a shit and Getsome went against his word, leaving FC to literally wait 2 hours for Spiroc Guardian and Lord to pop. I'm sorry but 2am on a weekday for island 5 is way too late--I was fully trying to cooperate and let them have their clear (without yelling at them--its a game come on) because I was aware of their issues getting onto the rotation.. but they clearly do not give a shit about any one else but themselves.

[Vianna]

mrmop520 your guildmate Vianna accused me of lieing and you stated I made an agreement which I never made. I will post the logs of our chat.

My goal was to schedule a raid that did not interfere with your rotation. Noon EST for a mostly US guild during the week is early, we took what he had online to go to sky and get keyed. Our goal was to be done with 1-4 before 2 pm so your raid would be minimally impacted. Island three boss was killed @ 1:30 pm est.

[Tue Jul 16 13:29:55 2013] Gorgalosk has become ENRAGED.

I was told in your rotation thread, to raid during the week early in the day so I attempted to follow the advice we were given.

Rakpartha has the best idea I have seen. but I understand if your rotation is closed to new guilds. IB is capable of raiding sky on our terms.

Thank you.

Enjoy the wall of text,

[Mon Jul 08 23:11:48 2013] You told Llog, 'you all raiding sky tomore?'
[Mon Jul 08 23:11:58 2013] Llog tells you, 'yeah every tuesday'
[Mon Jul 08 23:12:07 2013] You told Llog, 'do you clear it all?'
[Mon Jul 08 23:12:15 2013] Llog tells you, 'nah barely get to 5 some times'
[Mon Jul 08 23:12:33 2013] You told Llog, 'so keeper kill and quits, or u try for lord?'
[Mon Jul 08 23:14:16 2013] Llog tells you, 'our goal is usually to kill as many lords as possible but we usually struggle to get there'

[Tue Jul 16 14:38:31 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'heyas - just noticed you guys are in sky atm.. able to talk when you have a moment?'
[Tue Jul 16 14:38:38 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'sure'
[Tue Jul 16 14:39:31 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'i'm sure you're aware FC clears tuesday evenings- just wondering what time youall started the clear'
[Tue Jul 16 14:39:55 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'we started @ noon'
[Tue Jul 16 14:40:18 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'Ok, are you guys planning on going past 5?'
[Tue Jul 16 14:40:37 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'yeah'
[Tue Jul 16 14:41:04 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'Ok.. to my understanding bees are 12 hour repop right?'
[Tue Jul 16 14:41:40 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'i will check, not sure'
[Tue Jul 16 14:42:01 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'i believe island 1 is 6hr, rest is 2, and bees / sister are 12hr'
[Tue Jul 16 14:43:40 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'I have no issue with you guys doing an early clear on our sky day--would prefer a little earlier start time we usually aim for 7

not 8... however this week we were hoping to try bees for the first go.. finally got to killing spiroc lord easily etc..'
[Tue Jul 16 14:44:38 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'starting earlier than noon is difficult'
[Tue Jul 16 14:44:39 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'just wondering if youall could farm lords at the end instead of bees this week.. if you wanted we could alternate weeks if you

guys are planning to make it a regular thing'
[Tue Jul 16 14:44:50 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'i know.. if it were weekends i'd be all for starting later'
[Tue Jul 16 14:45:19 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'we just have alot that work and have to log by midnight.. making long raids rough unless we start at 7ish'
[Tue Jul 16 14:45:21 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'its not a regular thing'
[Tue Jul 16 14:45:26 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'i had a day off today to lead a raid'
[Tue Jul 16 14:46:17 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'thats cool--guess im just bummed we finally get to do a full clear (our day was on efreeti day forever and TMO was quite tough

to communicate w/..) and we got the momentum to get at bees'
[Tue Jul 16 14:46:24 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'just i think they would repop too late for us'
[Tue Jul 16 14:47:40 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'i tried to start as early as possible to day, so you all would have your mobs up, last i spoke to llog you guys were doing up to

lord on good days'
[Tue Jul 16 14:47:53 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'did not know bee was in your target window '
[Tue Jul 16 14:48:01 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'right last go we did about 10 lords w/o charmin'
[Tue Jul 16 14:48:11 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'and bee queen just got re-tuned.. we ready for it'
[Tue Jul 16 14:50:15 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'what is respawn on lord?'
[Tue Jul 16 14:50:19 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'instant'
[Tue Jul 16 14:50:21 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'just leave guardian up'
[Tue Jul 16 14:50:24 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'if you leave guardian'
[Tue Jul 16 14:50:32 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'and if not?'
[Tue Jul 16 14:50:36 2013] Gwynevere tells you, '8hr i believe'
[Tue Jul 16 14:56:45 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'well hope ya guys have a good clear.. if you do end doing bees mind lettin someone in my guild know the time of death?'
[Tue Jul 16 14:57:34 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'sure, thing, i may just stick to lords, if u all were planning bees'
[Tue Jul 16 14:58:38 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'we'd appreciate that :) feel free to hitme up on my mains (Wispy / Ramblin) if you ever need to coordinate anything etc.'
[Tue Jul 16 18:40:14 2013] Braegon tells you, 'can i bend your ear a sec to ask about PoS? if you are busy i understand, but i was wondering when 1-3 were cleared if you happen

to know'
[Tue Jul 16 18:40:53 2013] You told braegon, '12-1:30'
[Tue Jul 16 18:41:05 2013] Braegon tells you, 'est?'
[Tue Jul 16 18:41:12 2013] You told Braegon, 'yes'
[Tue Jul 16 18:41:55 2013] Braegon tells you, 'cool thanks'
[Tue Jul 16 20:04:54 2013] You told braegon, 'are you going to kill the princess soon?'
[Tue Jul 16 20:04:58 2013] Braegon tells you, 'yes'
[Tue Jul 16 20:05:03 2013] You told Braegon, 'how soon, '
[Tue Jul 16 20:05:10 2013] You told Braegon, 'cause u cant have another sirran up'
[Tue Jul 16 20:05:21 2013] Braegon tells you, 'however long it takes us to kill spirits'
[Tue Jul 16 20:05:54 2013] Braegon tells you, 'we will wait till you are done'
[Tue Jul 16 20:16:27 2013] Braegon tells you, 'we are gonna do princess shortly'
[Tue Jul 16 20:16:32 2013] You told Braegon, 'go for it'
[Tue Jul 16 20:16:44 2013] Braegon tells you, 'waiting on one more port up...for some reason ;b'
[Tue Jul 16 20:43:57 2013] You told braegon, 'we got a sirran up'
[Tue Jul 16 20:44:01 2013] Braegon tells you, 'k'
[Tue Jul 16 20:44:22 2013] Braegon tells you, 'tell me when he is down'
[Tue Jul 16 20:44:31 2013] You told Braegon, 'will do'
[Tue Jul 16 20:52:58 2013] Braegon tells you, 'your sirran still up?'

Llog obviously misinformed you on the struggles. But that is ok he hasn't been at sky a lot lately so he didn't know we have been farming lords easy for over a month now. The only thing that ever slowed that down was having the keys for it with the freeti cycle. We were waiting on the patch to do bees so we wouldn't need to whirlwind tank with monks or charm sirran to kill it. Funny thing getsome you say you don't want to disrupt anything yet you wait so late to kill things.. Was your guild struggling in sky >? Why did it take so long for you guys to kill Guardian and lords if you started at 12 ? I mean they didnt respawn till almost 2 AM. That is 9 hours past 5.

[arsenalpow]

The leadership of the sky rotation guilds don't meet to discuss things specifically, this thread is more for organizational purposes. The first post is typically maintained to show the current rotation, and Getsome is probably right that he did in fact post that IB wanted in but nothing happened after that. I believe Europa and AG coordinated with each guild separately to try and come to some equitable terms that would benefit all parties. Maybe Div starts an hour or two later now to get Europa more time to do their thing, but the point is communication needs to happen.

I don't think we'd mind giving up a Friday here or there if it could be communicated properly. I'm very reasonable as long as you don't come demanding things right off the bat which was my major issue with this incident. There's a standing agreement between 9 (?) guilds, lets try to keep that in mind.

The guilds participating in the rotation usually stay out of the FtE raid drama and this our way of gearing up our members while avoiding that shit show. Aside from the ragefire rotation this has been the most stable and largest form of guild cooperation yet on p99. Lets try to keep a good thing going instead of shitting all over it.

[newsmurf]

actually lanuven is a shitbatcrazy overzealous wanker, a lot of people even in Divinity will admit that, so the sociopath thing isnt far off = ).

[Funkutron5000]

Maybe there's a way to work IB in on split days? IE if one guild is focusing on islands 1-5 they could go up at the same time to do 6-8? And if another guild is focusing 6-8 they could go up and do 1-5 at that time?

Obviously we have a very packed sky schedule at this time so we're gonna need to come up with some creative solutions if we want to keep a rotation going and not just make sky a ffa zone with guilds getting run over.

I made this thread to help FE find a spot/ time in sky and while there were some accusations of bullying I think most people realized we were trying to do so in good faith and find a way to make everyone happy while also not giving us a shittastic spot in the rotation where only 4 or 5 of our members could make it. I think we can find a way to do the same for IB.

Getsome, if you wanna send me a PM I can talk with FE's other officers about trying to work something out with ya'll.

[zanderklocke]

Maybe all of the guild leaders that have guilds in the rotation/want to be in the rotation could meet in some sort of live real time vent or chat channel? I mean I can't imagine this would be that hard to find a mutual time for everyone during some peak hour.

Agreements are hard to reach when options aren't discussed in real time.

[arsenalpow]

Maybe all of the guild leaders that have guilds in the rotation/want to be in the rotation could meet in some sort of live real time vent or chat channel? I mean I can't imagine this would be that hard to find a mutual time for everyone during some peak hour.

Agreements are hard to reach when options aren't discussed in real time.

Pick a vent and time; BDA would even be willing to host it.

[spoils]

Llog obviously misinformed you on the struggles. But that is ok he hasn't been at sky a lot lately so he didn't know we have been farming lords easy for over a month now. The only thing that ever slowed that down was having the keys for it with the freeti cycle. We were waiting on the patch to do bees so we wouldn't need to whirlwind tank with monks or charm sirran to kill it. Funny thing getsome you say you don't want to disrupt anything yet you wait so late to kill things.. Was your guild struggling in sky >? Why did it take so long for you guys to kill Guardian and lords if you started at 12 ? I mean they didnt respawn till almost 2 AM. That is 9 hours past 5.

Dude u need to stick to the facts instead of tossing in dumb insults. Because of YOU, I hope they take your spot. You're absolutely counter-productive with your quips thinking u can actually solicit an emotional response from anyone.

[cs616]

That's a funny interpretation of the events. FE showed up and demanded a spot of their choosing and said either give it to us or we'll take it.

You know what is more funny than my interpretation? You posting what I quoted above in a 30+ page thread started by a current FE officer with the intent of trying to join the sky rotation. I mean, this thread's very existence basically contradicts your above claim. But yea, clearly we just hate trying to work with people. Sorry we "demanded" and option better than your initial proposal that we raid sky at 8am.

That being said, seems like this is going in a better direction these last few posts. I sincerely hope you guys can keep this rotation going.

[getsome]

Funny thing getsome you say you don't want to disrupt anything yet you wait so late to kill things.. Was your guild struggling in sky >? Why did it take so long for you guys to kill Guardian and lords if you started at 12 ? I mean they didnt respawn till almost 2 AM. That is 9 hours past 5.

Vianna I understand you are trying to inflame the situation by insuating that we are bad at eq. Your sarcasm is noted. I do not appreciate your tone and your hostility is not conducive to fostering better relations amongst our guilds.

Our guild did not have any keys to sky and the goal of our raid was to collect a set of keys on our necessary classes to enable easier sky raids in the future. We took about a 2 hour break waiting for KoS to spawn. My main concern was making sure we killed all of 1 - 4 efficiently.

I support Rakparthas idea of increasing the rotation from the current 7 days to accomodate additional guilds. I do not believe IB will be the last guild to ask to participate in your rotation. If another solution is found that treats each guild asking to be included in your rotation in an equal manner then I will gladly embrace it and abide by it.

I hope to work constructively with the leadership of each of your respective guilds to find a solution.

Thank you.

[Vianna]

Vianna I understand you are trying to inflame the situation by insuating that we are bad at eq. Your sarcasm is noted. I do not appreciate your tone and your hostility is not conducive to fostering better relations amongst our guilds.

Our guild did not have any keys to sky and the goal of our raid was to collect a set of keys on our necessary classes to enable easier sky raids in the future. We took about a 2 hour break waiting for KoS to spawn. My main concern was making sure we killed all of 1 - 4 efficiently.

I support Rakparthas idea of increasing the rotation from the current 7 days to accomodate additional guilds. I do not believe IB will be the last guild to ask to participate in your rotation. If another solution is found that treats each guild asking to be included in your rotation in an equal manner then I will gladly embrace it and abide by it.

I hope to work constructively with the leadership of each of your respective guilds to find a solution.

Thank you.


I am speaking plain truth to you Getsome. You are a straight up liar and yes you are bad at EQ. One of the worst clerics I have seen play this game. Every time you log into Ragefire you die because you cant seem to avoid Magi Aggro. You and your guildies in solb train people constantly over trivial mobs to other people. I understand you RMT'ed your guild off the server and now you gotta sell those cleric MQs to get back chars and gear for your guild. There is no fostering anything with you. We have tried and it has failed.

Your attitude earlier in this thread is what my attitude is based on. People have tried working with you personally and your attitude and a few of your guildies I have encountered at least is "We don't care what other people do or for their enjoyment of this game we will do what we want and then pretend to be innocent later". You aren't fooling anyone. The reason your guild gets hostile reactions is because of the actions of your guild. You don't see people having many problems working with Taken,BDA,Divinity,Full Circle, Azure Guard, and others. There is hostility and yes sarcasm for a reason. No one is buying your bull crap.

[Vianna]

Dude u need to stick to the facts instead of tossing in dumb insults. Because of YOU, I hope they take your spot. You're absolutely counter-productive with your quips thinking u can actually solicit an emotional response from anyone.

Not a Dude and my facts are correct. I only return the attitude that was given by the guild in question. If you think IB is trying to work with anyone you are crazy.

[getsome]

Going forward IB will be raiding sky on Tuesday. No need to find us a spot.

Thank you.

[Vianna]

Pharmakos you guys came and asked and worked it out with people. You didn't try to first invade another guilds sky day (A-team). We even told em hey go ahead today and clear what ya gotta clear but leave Guardian up we could farm Lords while waiting on bees to repop. They of course killed Guardian too on 5. They disrupt for the heck of it because they see it as a type of "Trolling". This thread and the reactions is what they get off on.

[Vianna]

Going forward IB will be raiding sky on Tuesday. No need to find us a spot.

Thank you.

See this is all Getsome wanted. A reason to shed his BS and say this. I know this because the week before this last sky raid he had told me they were gonna raid Sky on Tuesday and I pointed out to him it was our day. He backed off. So obviously it was their target day all along and he just wanted an excuse. So they went to sky...Caused problems to get the reactions they have here to have an excuse.

[Lyra]

I do not believe IB will be the last guild to ask to participate in your rotation.

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

Going forward IB will be raiding sky on Tuesday. No need to find us a spot.

Thank you.

[Vianna]

They were however the first guild to try to run over people in the rotation. Which started the problem with them.

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

You threw gas on the fire, deal with the consequences

[mrmop520]

Going forward IB will be raiding sky on Tuesday. No need to find us a spot.

Thank you.

Give me a fucking break :P These guys and their egos.

[kenzar]

We even told em hey go ahead today and clear what ya gotta clear but leave Guardian up
We don't answer to you; you don't own sky. I don't know what ever gave you that idea, but don't worry your pretty little head, IB is here to ground you in reality, sweetheart.

They were however the first guild to try to run over people in the rotation. Which started the problem with them.
And we ended the problem. I want to extend my personal thanks to you for expediting that process. Tuesdays are a prime sky slot for us.

[Karafa]

See this is all Getsome wanted. A reason to shed his BS and say this. I know this because the week before this last sky raid he had told me they were gonna raid Sky on Tuesday and I pointed out to him it was our day. He backed off. So obviously it was their target day all along and he just wanted an excuse. So they went to sky...Caused problems to get the reactions they have here to have an excuse.

You've been trolling for pages upon pages about this issue and you think this response is all "Getsome wanted?" Are you retarded? Do you drool and breathe into a straw to type? You reap what you sow, and I honestly can't believe someone this stupid exists on this planet.

[Gwence]

sky is fucking retarded

almost as retarded as this thread

[Vianna]

You threw gas on the fire, deal with the consequences

Yeah right. We threw gas on a fire lol. Who started the fire ? Shouldn't you be in a thread crying about rogue hide ?

[Vianna]

You've been trolling for pages upon pages about this issue and you think this response is all "Getsome wanted?" Are you retarded? Do you drool and breathe into a straw to type? You reap what you sow, and I honestly can't believe someone this stupid exists on this planet.

Yeah... I am the stupid one. Telling the truth and what really happened isn't trolling FYI. When that becomes trolling let me know. You however continuing to foster this facade that IB is just a poor guild wanting a shot and is working with people is comical and borderline trolling though.

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

You are making this thread gold, please keep going, while I get some more tea.

[Lyra]

I am not a fan of IB, but you ignored a problem. Problems don't just go away on their own.

I asked a question on page 22 and it was ignored.

Prenerf is not going up tomorrow, but we have a strong team and will be going to Sky. I was hoping to see some kind of solution offered. The only thing displayed here is that brute force is successful.

It's possible we will share a slot with our friends, but I doubt they will be interested in sharing loot on a regular basis.

[Karafa]

Yeah... I am the stupid one. Telling the truth and what really happened isn't trolling FYI. When that becomes trolling let me know. You however continuing to foster this facade that IB is just a poor guild wanting a shot and is working with people is comical and borderline trolling though.

All I see is a well established guild already being out progressed by a newly reformed guild with multitudes of mid 50's players. You weren't willing to help in the situation at all, we waited for a response and got nothing. True colors shown though, A+ thread will continue to look in.

[Vianna]

All I see is a well established guild already being out progressed by a newly reformed guild with multitudes of mid 50's players. You weren't willing to help in the situation at all, we waited for a response and got nothing. True colors shown though, A+ thread will continue to look in.

Looks like my guild was willing to help. We were fine with IB going up early Tuesday. We made one request. Leave Guardian up. That way we could farm Lords until Bees repopped. It looks like IB even after a guild telling them to "Go ahead and have fun in sky"....Decided to say "Screw them" and killed Guardian anyway causing a long raid to last even longer because they couldn't follow one simple request when a guild tries to work with them. I think that is the point most of you are missing. Getsome was asked to just leave Guardian up. Didn't need to kill him to progress and get the keys you claim you were after. This is the thing we keep returning to. Getsome decided to end the lord cycle by killing Guardian knowing it would cause drama.

[getsome]

You never made that request. Keep making shit up.

We killed the guardian cause we suck at eq and wanted to pull bee to island 5 to engage it on an island with more room.

[Clark]

http://s12.postimg.org/mqg8d78nh/181082_550332321653612_1353866348_n.jpg

[pharmakos]

[Tue Jul 16 14:57:34 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'sure, thing, i may just stick to lords, if u all were planning bees'
[Tue Jul 16 14:58:38 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'we'd appreciate that :) feel free to hitme up on my mains (Wispy / Ramblin) if you ever need to coordinate anything etc.'

[Vianna]

You never made that request. Keep making shit up.

We killed the guardian cause we suck at eq and wanted to pull bee to island 5 to engage it on an island with more room.

Really ? Ok let me break down your conversation with a raid leader from Full Circle.

Us trying to work with you I will plainly show everyone...

[Tue Jul 16 14:44:38 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'starting earlier than noon is difficult'
[Tue Jul 16 14:44:39 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'just wondering if youall could farm lords at the end instead of bees this week.. if you wanted we could alternate weeks if you guys are planning to make it a regular thing'

By farming lords this requires leaving Guardian up which I will show further down he explained this to you. But notice where a raid leader is making it clear we don't mind sharing and alternating weeks with you for higher islands.

[Tue Jul 16 14:45:21 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'its not a regular thing'
[Tue Jul 16 14:45:26 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'i had a day off today to lead a raid'

You saying it's not a weekly thing...Yet me and you know that is a lie because you were planning on doing it the Tuesday before also when me and you were having a discussion about your Ragefire training. I pointed out to you then Tuesday is ours and it was already too late in the day to work out working together.

[Tue Jul 16 14:47:40 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'i tried to start as early as possible to day, so you all would have your mobs up, last i spoke to llog you guys were doing up to lord on good days'

This is you going off information from someone who hasn't been at a sky raid in awhile. Llog is a great guy as many people know. But he hasn't been at many sky raids recently so he had no idea what we were doing in sky. As I pointed out earlier the only struggles we had in sky were keying enough people because we wanted to progress without using eye pulls since probes were being nerfed out of sky. The struggles came from the Freeti cycle so we gave in and started using eyes for a bit till we got keys built back up.

[Tue Jul 16 14:50:15 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'what is respawn on lord?'
[Tue Jul 16 14:50:19 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'instant'
[Tue Jul 16 14:50:21 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'just leave guardian up'
[Tue Jul 16 14:50:24 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'if you leave guardian'
[Tue Jul 16 14:50:32 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'and if not?'
[Tue Jul 16 14:50:36 2013] Gwynevere tells you, '8hr i believe'

This is Ramblin answering your question about Lord respawn and the guardian. He clearly tells you Lord and Guardian are 8 hour respawns if you kill them.

[Tue Jul 16 14:56:45 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'well hope ya guys have a good clear.. if you do end doing bees mind lettin someone in my guild know the time of death?'
[Tue Jul 16 14:57:34 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'sure, thing, i may just stick to lords, if u all were planning bees'

You clearly tell our Raid Leader "I may just stick to lords, if u all were planning bees."

Now the Lord Spawn and Guardian spawn was clearly explained to you when you asked about their spawn timers. Ramblin went out of his way in his conversation with you to be understanding with your situation in regards to ours and even discussed working together on future Tuesdays so both guilds could progress through sky. You assured him it was a one time thing. You then told him "May stop at Lord farming". To which he simply ask you to "Let us know if you don't".

Now Getsome you clearly were informed about the Lord. Farming Bees was discussed with you. You were asked to communicate with us if you decided to go past Lords. Instead of working with us and deciding what was best you said "Screw it" Killed Guardian ending that cycle and then farmed higher islands without letting anyone know. Now you can continue to play dumb....or Reread your own logs.

[Vianna]

I agree with all this has went on enough. I won't reply further on the topic.

[spoils]

Thank god, you musta <taken> some midol...we're tired of hearing your labia flap

[Clark]

Rotations don't work when people don't rotate

[Lanuven]

Lanuven you seem to be full of blind hate. if you took the time to comprehend what you read, you would understand we did go up to sky early that day to avoid disrupting the rotation. Please find the post were I demanded to be included.

ps you should work on your resist set so you do not die on Ragefire.

Clearly mad.

To bad Sirken was there or yall could have trained like normal.

[mrmop520]

So... is there a spot we can find IB in the rotation? After the past two months of efreeti-complicated clears (no key of misfortune ftw), and finally a patch and reset, FC is not giving up tuesday. I extended the offer for early-clears to IB, however after lying to my face about their intentions and cockblocking our raid... well I'm sure you all can imagine my feelings on the matter. Either way-either some form of a solution is met or expect to have sky days randomly pounced upon... and I would prefer to see this rotation continue.

[zanderklocke]

Maybe all of the guild leaders that have guilds in the rotation/want to be in the rotation could meet in some sort of live real time vent or chat channel? I mean I can't imagine this would be that hard to find a mutual time for everyone during some peak hour.

Agreements are hard to reach when options aren't discussed in real time.

There can be really simple solutions to this debate.

[xCry0x]

There can be really simple solutions to this debate.

The problem is, as you know, there have guilds that have had a set day of the week for months and do not really want to change.

The only way for new guilds to get in this point is for an existing guild to give up their spot or for the new guild to take a very early time.

There is also the issue of the bees which IIRC are a 12 hour respawn so if an early guild goes up and kills Bees the later guild cannot unless they somehow manage a 12 hour difference in raid times.

[zanderklocke]

The problem is, as you know, there have guilds that have had a set day of the week for months and do not really want to change.

The only way for new guilds to get in this point is for an existing guild to give up their spot or for the new guild to take a very early time.

I have to believe there are more solutions than just saying things will stay the same, and new guilds are out of luck unless another guild wants to give up their slot.

As we have seen, this has led to both A-Team and Full Circle having a run-in with Inglourious Basterds because they are not in the cycle. This will not get better.

This is why I suggest at least the guild leaders, or some guild representative, get together one time to at least communicate in real time. If no agreement is reached, at least everyone got to hear everyone else out in real time rather than this I'll post on the thread and wait like 8 hours for another response that probably half the guilds won't even notice.

Honestly, things would be better on this server if guild leaders all met and talked to each other every once and awhile. I'm not saying give up guild secrets, but in general, there seems to be a lack of communication and transparency among guilds. But who am I kidding, this a computer game. Why should people solve these problems the way they are solved in real life? Ha.

[xCry0x]

Honestly, things would be better on this server if guild leaders all met and talked to each other every once and awhile. I'm not saying give up guild secrets, but in general, there seems to be a lack of communication and transparency among guilds. But who am I kidding, this a computer game. Why should people solve these problems the way they are solved in real life? Ha.

We are trying to work out a rot distribution for Sky amongst the guilds which is a baby step towards guilds working together.

What do you think guilds would talk about in the context of this discussion? The reason nobody is answering IB is because nobody wants to give up their day.

This is the same reason why rotations for dragons would never work, there are way too many raid capable guilds on the server. We have 10 or 11 guilds wanting to clear sky every week, that is insane for an EQ server.

There is no simple answer to the problem here. Fortunately IB seems okay with going up early on a weekday, if IB wanted to go up on a weeknight then what? Who gets bumped?

[zanderklocke]

We are trying to work out a rot distribution for Sky amongst the guilds which is a baby step towards guilds working together.

What do you think guilds would talk about in the context of this discussion? The reason nobody is answering IB is because nobody wants to give up their day.

This is the same reason why rotations for dragons would never work, there are way too many raid capable guilds on the server. We have 10 or 11 guilds wanting to clear sky every week, that is insane for an EQ server.

There is no simple answer to the problem here. Fortunately IB seems okay with going up early on a weekday, if IB wanted to go up on a weeknight then what? Who gets bumped?

I know you're a pretty reasonable guy because I used to be in Rapture with you, but I feel like a sky rots system does not really fix the problem of people stepping on each other in Plane of Sky.

Should I interpret from your post that you are opposed to the idea of each guild having a representative talk together in real-time dialogue? I guess I just don't understand what there is to lose with this. Have guild leaders ever come together to talk in a meeting before?

I mean that could even get a sky rots system set up more easily. How many days or weeks will it take for a finalized sky rots system to get set up? It just feels like these forums posts are too slow at communicating information, especially on controversial subjects. I mean the only officer I ever see from Rapture post is Lecompte, and he wasn't even an officer when I was in the guild less than two months ago. Only the loudest voices, who choose to use the forums, have their voices heard. Many people in game say, "Avoid the forums and don't get involved with the community there."

I mean there's a reason why companies use real time meeting software as opposed to sending huge email chains back and forth all the time.

[xCry0x]

Talking about 2 different concepts.


Honestly, things would be better on this server if guild leaders all met and talked to each other every once and awhile. I'm not saying give up guild secrets, but in general, there seems to be a lack of communication and transparency among guilds. But who am I kidding, this a computer game. Why should people solve these problems the way they are solved in real life? Ha.

You suggested guild leaders should talk to each-other to solve the problem of sky rotation as well as to generally get in the habit of working together like people do in the real world.

The sky rot sharing would be a step towards the 2nd part where guilds work together and cooporate.

The solving the raid schedule thing is something I do not see getting resolved. There is no plan in place for which a sit down could be utilized to hammer out the details, all we have is a problem. Just because you put 7 people in a room doesn't mean anything gets resolved. For a meeting to really function there needs to be a plan in place or ideas on the table to be agreed upon/discussed.

Problem: 10 guilds want to raid sky and there are 7 days in a week.
Suggested solution 1: 2 raids/day
Suggest solution 2: rolling rotation, ie guild 1 goes on day 1 then again on the 11th day.

Each of these bring up a new problem in that #1 implies people can raid mid day on week days and #2 implies people who have been raiding every 7 days on a specific day are going to accept raiding once every 10 days instead as well as well as having the day of the week change constantly.

Seems like neither of these are really ideal because they both raise significant issues.

[zanderklocke]

Talking about 2 different concepts.



You suggested guild leaders should talk to each-other to solve the problem of sky rotation as well as to generally get in the habit of working together like people do in the real world.

The sky rot sharing would be a step towards the 2nd part where guilds work together and cooporate.

The solving the raid schedule thing is something I do not see getting resolved. There is no plan in place for which a sit down could be utilized to hammer out the details, all we have is a problem. Just because you put 7 people in a room doesn't mean anything gets resolved. For a meeting to really function there needs to be a plan in place or ideas on the table to be agreed upon/discussed.

Problem: 10 guilds want to raid sky and there are 7 days in a week.
Suggested solution 1: 2 raids/day
Suggest solution 2: rolling rotation, ie guild 1 goes on day 1 then again on the 11th day.

Each of these bring up a new problem in that #1 implies people can raid mid day on week days and #2 implies people who have been raiding every 7 days on a specific day are going to accept raiding once every 10 days instead as well as well as having the day of the week change constantly.

Seems like neither of these are really ideal because they both raise significant issues.

Last post from me in this thread as I'm getting burned out and feel like I'm just saying the same thing cyclically:

Here's a question for you, Halmir. Now that you've labeled some problems and solutions that might follow with some corresponding problems. What are you and everyone else going to do about it?

Doing nothing and just waiting has been the status quo of the bulk of people on this thread ever since FE first indicated they wanted to do Sky. Things have gotten even more crowded now that IB wants to do sky. In my opinion, doing nothing hasn't worked too well as indicated by the conflict between A-Team and Full Circle with IB.

The sky rots notifications Loraen came up with is a really cool idea, but it is a separate idea that doesn't solve the problem of the number of guilds wanting to raid sky and stepping on each other.

I offered my idea of people getting together to talk thing outs, but I'm sure with the many minds in all the guilds involved in this, someone must have an idea of a possible solution with some merit. Just doing nothing after admitting there is a problem seems to be the worst solution to me.

[Lyra]

The schedule to accommodate more guilds would be slightly more complicated, but not impossible.

Guilds would need to be slightly more flexible.

Currently there are 10 time slots - 10 guilds

If you added two more guilds 10 time slots -> 12 guilds per week

That would mean in a 6 week period 60 time slots -> 12 guilds = 5 time slots in 6 weeks per guild.

So once ever 6 weeks each guild would miss 1 sky time slot.

This plan would require guilds to have at least two availability slots. For someone with production planning or staff scheduling skills, this would be simple.

This is just ONE solution. There are others. Let your creativity flow!

[xCry0x]

Here's a question for you, Halmir. Now that you've labeled some problems and solutions that might follow with some corresponding problems. What are you and everyone else going to do about it?


Honestly?

Tentative schedule moving forward (as of 06/26/2013)

Sunday - AM - TMO, PM - A-Team
Monday - Rapture
Tuesday - FC
Wednesday - Early EST - Europa, Late EST - Divinity
Thursday - Taken
Friday - BDA
Saturday - AM/ early PM - FE, Late PM - Azure Guard

If IB is okay with raiding early on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday then there is an easy slot for them that doesn't require a ton of server-wide coordination.

If I understand the respawn timers correctly Bee is the longest respawn at 8 hours so that means the only coordination IB has to do is figure out what guild raids later on the day they want to go and figure out how to make sure there is an 8 hour window.

It sounds like Full Circle had previously never killed bee? I am sure after the nerf they can, but if they cannot kill bee then that window is only 6 hours because I believe that is the respawn for everything else (again, correct me if I am wrong).

I know we (rapture) raid at 6PM Central time, so if IB wanted to raid on Monday without messing us up at all they would have to be up there at 10am Central time. Maybe we could push that back an hour? No idea. All I know from a Rapture point of view is that we are capable of and generally do clear every isle every week including bee & eye.

Now to be completely blunt, if another guild decides to be an up & comer and wants in on the rotation their choices are basically 1) early 2) buddy up with another guild to go with.

[Lyra]

Now to be completely blunt, if another guild decides to be an up & comer and wants in on the rotation their choices are basically 1) early 2) buddy up with another guild to go with.

Debating if I should be blunt with you. What day do you go again?

[Sarius]

Now to be completely blunt, if another guild decides to be an up & comer and wants in on the rotation their choices are basically 1) early 2) buddy up with another guild to go with.

This is the attitude that leads people to get their sky day jacked. Just because a guild is late to the party does not mean that they must raid AM when nobody is online or with another guild. Lyra had the right idea, there needs to be a shifting schedule.

[salimoneus]

Maybe there are just too many medium-sized raiding guilds on this server. Maybe some need to join forces or even merge in order to avoid conflict. Conflict isn't necessarily bad though, it's just like the rest of evolution, survival of the fittest (and often times ruthless). That's life.

[Handull]

Bees and Eye: 12 hour repop
Everything else that matters: 8 hour repop

The biggest problem with a variable time slot rotation is that it takes extra effort to recorpse keys, which rot after 7 days.

[Sarius]

How about a rotation that slides backwards, essentially a 6-day rotation? For example:

Week 1:
Mon: Rapture
Tue: BDA
Wed:TMO
Thu: A-Team
Fri:Europa
Sat AM: Taken
Sat PM: Divinity
Sun AM:Forceful
Sun PM: FC

On Deck:
1) AG
2) IB
3) Prenerf

Week 2:
Mon: BDA
Tue: TMO
Wed: A-Team
Thu: Europa
Fri: Taken
Sat AM: Divinity
Sat PM: Forceful
Sun AM:FC
Sun PM: AG

On Deck:
1) IB
2) Prenerf
3) Rapture

This is just a rough idea, but it could work. As far as rekeying, a guild would have one week to work with guilds on any day to loot and key corpses for their upcoming sunday PM raid.

Speacial considerations would have to be made for Europa, but i'm sure yall smart enough to figure it out.

While guilds would have to sit out for 3 weeks (less if more AM slots were created), they would be able to raid for 9 weeks without having to worry about re-keying.

Thoughts?

[Dentalplan]

Here's a solution that I think could work well for everyone:

Each week one guild takes a week off from raiding sky and gives IB their spot. IB raids during this rotating slot in the schedule and also takes a week off every 10 weeks to keep things equitable. This accomplishes the same thing as an 8 day cycle and doesn't screw up the 7 day setup that works well for keeping corpse banks for keys.

IB should also get the next permanent raiding slot that opens up due to guild merger, lack of interest in sky, etc.

So it would look like this:

Week 1: Sky schedule as normal, IB does not raid sky
Week 2: Rapture's week off. IB Monday
Week 3: FC's week off. IB Tuesday
Week 4: Divinity's week off. IB Wednesday PM
Week 5: Taken's week off. IB Thursday
Week 6: BDA's week off. IB Friday
Week 7: FE's week off. IB Saturday AM
Week 8: AG's week off. IB Saturday PM
Week 9: TMO's week off. IB Sunday AM
Week 10: A-Team's week off. IB Sunday PM

[Sarius]

IB would have to rekey every week with that scenario. Prenerf is also looking to enter the rotation.

[Burt]

Preference in the rotation should be given to guilds that can do a complete clear of sky. Should consider asking the guilds that currently only do 1-5 to maybe do joint raids to get farther in sky.

For example, I really like Europa, but last week they weren't able to kill the trash on 5. Maybe another smaller guild in the rotation would be willing to combine raid forces to get farther into sky in an AM slot.

[Splorf22]

Preference in the rotation should be given to guilds that can do a complete clear of sky.

100% agree here. The hierarchy should be full clear guilds > spiroc lord guilds > others, not based on how long you've been in the rotation.

Prenerf is also looking to enter the rotation.

/w all prenerf

[Fri Jul 19 17:01:25 2013] Players in EverQuest:
[Fri Jul 19 17:01:25 2013] ---------------------------

[Fri Jul 19 17:01:25 2013] [54 Cavalier] Gonobn (High Elf) <Prenerf Twinkies> ZONE: ecommons
[Fri Jul 19 17:01:25 2013] [20 Necromancer] Dorzin (Human) <Prenerf Twinkies> ZONE: butcher
[Fri Jul 19 17:01:25 2013] [13 Enchanter] Yizy (High Elf) <Prenerf Twinkies> ZONE: felwitheb
[Fri Jul 19 17:01:25 2013] There are 3 players in EverQuest.

[Sarius]

I'm going based off of what Lyra said. A-Team regularly has 5-8 online, but people log in for raids.

[Lyra]

Prenerf is also looking to enter the rotation.

Pretty sure that was Divinity's invitation for us to join them in sky P~

I still need a second cleric to join the guild, or someone to play my second cleric in order for us to venture on our own.

I'm being proactive since my raid leader thinks "that schedule is only suggested. There aren't enforced rotations". Not everyone reads the forums...

[Sarius]

Bottom line is that y'all better figure out something soon. FC already managed to piss IB off enough to put this entire rotation in jeopardy.

[Lyra]

[Fri Jul 19 17:01:25 2013] Players in EverQuest:
[Fri Jul 19 17:01:25 2013] ---------------------------

[Fri Jul 19 17:01:25 2013] [54 Cavalier] Gonobn (High Elf) <Prenerf Twinkies> ZONE: ecommons
[Fri Jul 19 17:01:25 2013] [20 Necromancer] Dorzin (Human) <Prenerf Twinkies> ZONE: butcher
[Fri Jul 19 17:01:25 2013] [13 Enchanter] Yizy (High Elf) <Prenerf Twinkies> ZONE: felwitheb
[Fri Jul 19 17:01:25 2013] There are 3 players in EverQuest.

They like anon, what can I say.

[Splorf22]

Where's the guild pride!

Anyway I'm just saying that from a communist (utilitarian?) perspective I think a guild who will clear 1-8 is going to make better use of Sky than a guild who will clear 1-5 who will be making better use of Sky than a guild who will do 1-4, and considering how full the rotation is at the moment I'm wondering whether the best solution isn't to have some of the 1-5 and 1-4 guilds raid together.

Like say Rapture and BDA MUAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

[pharmakos]

Here's a solution that I think could work well for everyone:

Each week one guild takes a week off from raiding sky and gives IB their spot. IB raids during this rotating slot in the schedule and also takes a week off every 10 weeks to keep things equitable. This accomplishes the same thing as an 8 day cycle and doesn't screw up the 7 day setup that works well for keeping corpse banks for keys.

IB should also get the next permanent raiding slot that opens up due to guild merger, lack of interest in sky, etc.

So it would look like this:

Week 1: Sky schedule as normal, IB does not raid sky
Week 2: Rapture's week off. IB Monday
Week 3: FC's week off. IB Tuesday
Week 4: Divinity's week off. IB Wednesday PM
Week 5: Taken's week off. IB Thursday
Week 6: BDA's week off. IB Friday
Week 7: FE's week off. IB Saturday AM
Week 8: AG's week off. IB Saturday PM
Week 9: TMO's week off. IB Sunday AM
Week 10: A-Team's week off. IB Sunday PM

not a bad idea IMO

[zanderklocke]

Here's a solution that I think could work well for everyone:

Each week one guild takes a week off from raiding sky and gives IB their spot. IB raids during this rotating slot in the schedule and also takes a week off every 10 weeks to keep things equitable. This accomplishes the same thing as an 8 day cycle and doesn't screw up the 7 day setup that works well for keeping corpse banks for keys.

IB should also get the next permanent raiding slot that opens up due to guild merger, lack of interest in sky, etc.

So it would look like this:

Week 1: Sky schedule as normal, IB does not raid sky
Week 2: Rapture's week off. IB Monday
Week 3: FC's week off. IB Tuesday
Week 4: Divinity's week off. IB Wednesday PM
Week 5: Taken's week off. IB Thursday
Week 6: BDA's week off. IB Friday
Week 7: FE's week off. IB Saturday AM
Week 8: AG's week off. IB Saturday PM
Week 9: TMO's week off. IB Sunday AM
Week 10: A-Team's week off. IB Sunday PM

I know I said I wouldn't post again ha, but to prevent rekeying, maybe IB could shift to every 6 days instead of 8. Instead of going to Tuesday on week 3, they could go to Sunday. That way they aren't losing keys. Granted I'm sure they might hate raiding sky a different day every 6 days, at least they are getting worked in, in fact almost raiding sky more often.

[xCry0x]

From what I understand the guilds doing full clears are:

BDA
Divinity
FE
Rapture
Taken
TMO

Capable of full clear:
IB?

Doing 1-5
A-team
Full circle

Doing 1-4
Azure guard
Europa(?)

So that means there are currently 6 guilds doing full clears, IB wants to be the 7th.

That is 1 guild per day every day of the week.

If between Full circle, a-team, azure guard, europa forced were joined to do full clears they could also fairly reasonable fit in on sat/sunday and everyone is included assuming those 4 guilds turn into 2 raid forces.
Or we can do a rotation as divinity suggested.

Either way, when the next guild (like prenerf twinkies?) comes along, then what?

I don't speak for everyone but I would be far more inclined to let the next raid guild startup tag along on a raid before I would want to start missing more weeks to accommodate people going up and dicking around on isles 1,2,3.

Anyway, whatever people decide on, I think the rotation is quickly going down the road of completely blowing up either way. The server is at critical mass for raid guilds.

[contemptor]

Where's the guild pride!

Anyway I'm just saying that from a communist (utilitarian?) perspective I think a guild who will clear 1-8 is going to make better use of Sky than a guild who will clear 1-5 who will be making better use of Sky than a guild who will do 1-4, and considering how full the rotation is at the moment I'm wondering whether the best solution isn't to have some of the 1-5 and 1-4 guilds raid together.

Like say Rapture and BDA MUAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
BDA has done full clears alone since what, a year or 2 before Rapture ;)

Cmon Loraen, step up your game, 12 person full clear?

[xCry0x]

BDA has done full clears alone since what, a year or 2 before Rapture ;)

Cmon Loraen, step up your game, 12 person full clear?

We wouldn't have been able to do sky this week without the BDA paladin alts =(

[pharmakos]

Doing 1-4
Azure guard
Europa(?)

AG does island 5, and soon will be going further i'm sure

[Servellious]

Here's a solution that I think could work well for everyone:

Each week one guild takes a week off from raiding sky and gives IB their spot. IB raids during this rotating slot in the schedule and also takes a week off every 10 weeks to keep things equitable. This accomplishes the same thing as an 8 day cycle and doesn't screw up the 7 day setup that works well for keeping corpse banks for keys.

IB should also get the next permanent raiding slot that opens up due to guild merger, lack of interest in sky, etc.

So it would look like this:

Week 1: Sky schedule as normal, IB does not raid sky
Week 2: Rapture's week off. IB Monday
Week 3: FC's week off. IB Tuesday
Week 4: Divinity's week off. IB Wednesday PM
Week 5: Taken's week off. IB Thursday
Week 6: BDA's week off. IB Friday
Week 7: FE's week off. IB Saturday AM
Week 8: AG's week off. IB Saturday PM
Week 9: TMO's week off. IB Sunday AM
Week 10: A-Team's week off. IB Sunday PM

This is a rotation and seems fair to everyone in involved

[salimoneus]

This is a rotation and seems fair to everyone in involved

...except for the guild who has to rotate for every raid. Don't really see this happening.

[Splorf22]

BDA has done full clears alone since what, a year or 2 before Rapture ;)

Cmon Loraen, step up your game, 12 person full clear?

I'm pretty sure we can do 1-8 with the new, weaker Eye/Bee . . . if the lag stops. We'll try this weekend for sure and see what we can do.

...except for the guild who has to rotate for every raid. Don't really see this happening.

In my opinion, telling new guilds "You are late to the rotation, enjoy Tuesday morning" is not reasonable. Telling new guilds "You are late to the rotation, you'll have to change your day a little but at least you'll be going at reasonable times in general" is much, much more reasonable (well, Vehk's solution is terrible because IB would go every 8 days, meaning they would have to recorpse every week. If the order was inverted so IB was going every 6 days with 2 weeks off at the end it would be reasonable).

By my count I used the word reasonable 4 times. That's probably because I'm a reasonable (5) man.

[HallygukRZ]

Europa is doing Sky every 14days before Divinity. We are currently working on getting Spiroc Lord down and want to push on. So if anyone has an early-time slot (1pm-6pm EST) unused, we gladly take one on as well. Ofc we leave a griffon/guardian up. Contact me or any other officer.

[mrmop520]

From what I understand the guilds doing full clears are:

BDA
Divinity
FE
Rapture
Taken
TMO

Capable of full clear:
IB?

Doing 1-5
A-team
Full circle

Doing 1-4
Azure guard
Europa(?)

So that means there are currently 6 guilds doing full clears, IB wants to be the 7th.

That is 1 guild per day every day of the week.

If between Full circle, a-team, azure guard, europa forced were joined to do full clears they could also fairly reasonable fit in on sat/sunday and everyone is included assuming those 4 guilds turn into 2 raid forces.
Or we can do a rotation as divinity suggested.

Either way, when the next guild (like prenerf twinkies?) comes along, then what?

I don't speak for everyone but I would be far more inclined to let the next raid guild startup tag along on a raid before I would want to start missing more weeks to accommodate people going up and dicking around on isles 1,2,3.

Anyway, whatever people decide on, I think the rotation is quickly going down the road of completely blowing up either way. The server is at critical mass for raid guilds.

FC is moving on to bees and beyond the next clear we get that is not interrupted. More than capable Lord is easy-mode now. Also the proposed solution that would rotate one of the guilds is fine with FC.

I don't mind giving up a clear every 10 weeks to keep this thing stable (and loraen is right make it 6 days for rotating guild so they dont have to re-key on their non-raid days). FC is also willing to provide an early clear on Tuesdays to guilds that need--However, since we raid on a EST timezone schedule a start time at 10AM or 11AM(est) would be necessary to ensure we can start early enough for a weekday! (7-8pm est)

[quido]

I personally think this is getting a little absurd - what happens when another guild or two wants in? The whole thing is going to crumble.

[pharmakos]

clusterfuck rotation is still better than no rotation imo

[Vianna]

FC is moving on to bees and beyond the next clear we get that is not interrupted. More than capable Lord is easy-mode now. Also the proposed solution that would rotate one of the guilds is fine with FC.

I don't mind giving up a clear every 10 weeks to keep this thing stable (and loraen is right make it 6 days for rotating guild so they dont have to re-key on their non-raid days). FC is also willing to provide an early clear on Tuesdays to guilds that need--However, since we raid on a EST timezone schedule a start time at 10AM or 11AM(est) would be necessary to ensure we can start early enough for a weekday! (7-8pm est)

Yeah the only reason we were farming Lords so long was to finish quests and wait on the patch.. We only started doing Sky again about 3 months ago. For a month and a half of that we were dealing with the Freeti cycle being on our day which limited the players that wanted to come to sky and deal with the headache of corpse dragging to 4 and then corpse summoning those without keys to 5. Also Some of the bosses were killed for Sirran on those days or for drops by the guild killing the cycle. So it slowed down some quests being completed and progression.

So we basically just setup to farming Lords till the next patch happened and we could get 30+ back up in sky again with no huge interruptions in the progression. The first raid after the patch however we had another hiccup that is documented in this thread as well. As Ramblin has said we don't mind working with any guild that needs a slot. We have always been happy to help people and find solutions that help everyone.

[Boilon]

I'm just wondering but are there any times in the current sky rotation where mobs would be up early EST like 8-11am from Isles 1-4 for the purposes of keying up to 5?
Currently Europa does every 2 weeks on Wednesday, but wondering if there are any other times where isles 1-3 can be done without the timers affecting any other guilds. Let me know if there are any since the EU time is quite flexible for morning american guilds.

[arsenalpow]

I'm just wondering but are there any times in the current sky rotation where mobs would be up early EST like 8-11am from Isles 1-4 for the purposes of keying up to 5?
Currently Europa does every 2 weeks on Wednesday, but wondering if there are any other times where isles 1-3 can be done without the timers affecting any other guilds. Let me know if there are any since the EU time is quite flexible for morning american guilds.

hit me up in game and we can talk about this

[Boilon]

Right so can this be updated then? Rapture is raiding with BDA now? So you guys don't need two days than, or Rapture doesn't need Monday? I was told IB stole FC's Tuesday (which doesn't really matter now since its FE/FC). Can all of this be confirmed or denied?

[zanderklocke]

Rapture sometimes raids with BDA and sometimes doesn't. I'm pretty sure they want their own day still. Since FC no longer exists, I assume IB is taking their day, or maybe FE is rotating to FC's day?

[arsenalpow]

Rapture usually sends about a group on our Fridays and we send about a group on their Monday raids.

[Boilon]

Rapture usually sends about a group on our Fridays and we send about a group on their Monday raids.

so when you say a group you mean 6 people? Or do you mean half a raids worth of people?
Would like confirmation from IB regarding this weekly Tuesday if this is in fact true.

Europa is planning on changing days as we are now going to be attempting Bees+ so sharing with Divinity is becoming very difficult ( Love you guys, but don't want to step on your mobs!).
So as much detail about Sunday - Tuesday would be appreciated including raid start times from every group to make arrangements around this.
Europa is more than willing to negotiate with whatever party but we do plan on doing island 6 next week.

[bizzum]

Sunday TMO start around 1130A/12P (reverting back from 1030A since Noble isn't on Sunday anymore), and I believe A-Team starts right up at 730/8P when Sky repops start. Its basically jammed as much as it can be.

[mtb tripper]

What about tuesday?

[zanderklocke]

so when you say a group you mean 6 people? Or do you mean half a raids worth of people?

He is saying that on Rapture's raid day, BDA sends up one group in addition to Rapture's entire raid being there, and vice versa on BDA's raid day with Rapture sending up one group.

They're just occasional raid buddies as far as I know. When I was still in Rapture a few repops ago, Rapture and BDA teamed up on some of the mobs, and they still do I believe. However, they also do totally separate things, such as Sky. They're just both generous to each other and allow people to tag along on raids cross guild.

[Boilon]

What about tuesday?

If you're talking for IB I want to know when your guild starts this supposed new Tuesday sky, and I would like the main post to be updated appropriately to reflect the new changes. Possibly with rough estimate raid time starts.

I would also like to know Raptures raid start time to see if there is any way of working around that in order to get attempts at island 6.

[arsenalpow]

If you're talking for IB I want to know when your guild starts this supposed new Tuesday sky, and I would like the main post to be updated appropriately to reflect the new changes. Possibly with rough estimate raid time starts.

I would also like to know Raptures raid start time to see if there is any way of working around that in order to get attempts at island 6.

Rapture has been starting between 7-8pm est on mondays, same as BDA on Fridays.

[getsome]

In regards to the recent absorption of FC by FE, I was informed by an individual in FE they would continue to raid sky on Saturday.

IB's most recent Tuesday raid started @ 6:00 pm est and we cleared 1-8.

Thank you.

[Erati]

So IB is Tuesday since FC= FE now which means they do Sat

that worked out i think

[Funkutron5000]

OP updated.

[Boilon]

Would like to thank Divinity for letting Europa raid Sky on Wednesday morning American time / Evening European time and we have finally made a lot of progress the last month.

However, we have been going strong and we are at a point where we want to progress to islands 6-8 within the near future.

What we are proposing to any guild in the current sky rotation: to share with us the upper islands 6-8 once every 14 days (that is every OTHER week)

We always valued transparent and coherent communication - but we are at a stage where we can't progress any further and being a "no-batphone" guild Sky at the moment is pretty much the only reliable target we can do.

We hope to find a solution within the rotation. If no guild sees the option to share with us islands 5-8 we most likely will have to do Sky when we can. So we hope that someone will contact me or the other officers of Europa to come to a timely solution.

Once again this is for starting the week of Mon Aug 19, somewhere in that week we are planning to start Island 6. If nobody contacts us by then we will be choosing a day that is best for our schedule. This is a call that goes out to ALL guilds currently on the schedule as I cannot say for sure when is best for us but feel free to give us some suggestions / negotiation / whatever.

[Boilon]

I'm going to give this one more bump.
So far only Forceful Entry has contacted me but Saturday just really doesn't work for us.
If no other guild contacts us by this Saturday/Sunday than we will be planning upper islands for next week on a random Monday-Friday day so just a heads up to the other guilds.
I strongly urge one of you other guilds will contact us as well since our wish isn't to run in to sky randomly but otherwise we will have no choice.

[Shinko]

Monday to be fair they join raid with bda on fridays

[salimoneus]

Monday to be fair they join raid with bda on fridays

I guess it wasn't clear enough from earlier posts, but Rapture and BDA have their own separate days in Sky. They just allow each other to send up a group or so to the others raid for those who missed out, etc. They are cool like that.

[-Catherin-]

Europa,

I saw your earlier posts so I don't need the "we warned all of you" line. an ultimatum was set in those posts for everyone, and you didn't even give a specific day.

If your plan was to raid on Thursday you could have contacted anyone from Taken. We have had good relationships with you guys and it would have been pretty easy to work something out.

Instead you don't tell us anything (This is up to you Europa, not us) and clear sky two hours before our only raid in the week. You have blatantly broken rotation making zero effort to contact us and work something out.

Hoping this was a poor judgment on leadership and that all of you were not actually onboard with this. It's pretty upsetting guys, thought you were above this

[jtt25c]

I call for an immediate invasion of Europe, ala Omaha Beach. Eat hotdogs you Nazi scum!

[Mowie]

Dick move also if they cleared sky entirely. They said 6-8 and you could at least farm Spiroc Lords that week if they only cleared higher islands.

[williestargell]

Taken will be doing sky next week on our alotted night of Thursday. This is OUR rotation night and will remain so.

[Sarius]

I don't think that Europa is in the wrong here. They stated the intentions, gave a week notice, and proceeded. Why didn't other guilds reach out to them as they had requested?

[YendorLootmonkey]

Instead you don't tell us anything (This is up to you Europa, not us) and clear sky two hours before our only raid in the week. You have blatantly broken rotation making zero effort to contact us and work something out.

Hoping this was a poor judgment on leadership and that all of you were not actually onboard with this. It's pretty upsetting guys, thought you were above this

^^ this

Europa... bad form to demand and make ultimatums. We all expected better from you.

Otherwise... can anyone say when Europa typically starts Sky? We could recommend a Western Hemisphere server-wide effort to clear Sky 2 hours before they can field a raid. Every day. And don't buff/trade/group with any of their members. After all... we can all play the ultimatum game, right? ;)

[Erati]

I don't think that Europa is in the wrong here. They stated the intentions, gave a week notice, and proceeded. Why didn't other guilds reach out to them as they had requested?

Heres what they did wrong.

Upon selecting Thurs ( well documented who's day that is as well as the time it starts) they could have EASILY contacted Taken's leadership or hell even members to talk to our leaders directly and work out a solution.

A joint venture for the day could have easily been reached, obv no guild is going to willingly give up sky if we dont have to, but wasting peoples scheduled times as well as key corpses is just bad form. Nothing they did was in the right, yes it would have been nice if a League of Nations Sky Plane Version was created to deal with their addition to the rotation but it was not. Fact remains they wanted to do the upper isles, and we were gonna farm lords this week, could have easily shared. Instead they clear 1-5 and wipe to Queen.

[YendorLootmonkey]

I don't think that Europa is in the wrong here. They stated the intentions, gave a week notice, and proceeded. Why didn't other guilds reach out to them as they had requested?

Why is it our collective responsibility to guess which day they want to do Sky? They know what guild goes up on what day... the onus is on them to ensure they are not stepping on toes. Not for the rest of us to bow down and accommodate them at their whim.

[Sarius]

Why is it our collective responsibility to guess which day they want to do Sky? They know what guild goes up on what day... the onus is on them to ensure they are not stepping on toes. Not for the rest of us to bow down and accommodate them at their whim.

Nobody responded to their post in this thread dedicated to having a sky schedule. The onus is on the community as a whole to make something work, not just them. If they are not given a proper slot, or if something is not worked out, why not just do whatever works for you? It worked for IB

[Erati]

Who knows how long ago they selected Thursday, just no reason to say "you had time and didnt act this is your fault for not acting" when no one knew what day you were even planning on doing it.

you guys said yourself FE reached out but that wasnt good enough so at that point the ball is in your court to start being diplomatic with all the other leaders of the sky guilds DIRECTLY not in some vague guild discussion post that most people probably dont read.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Nobody responded to their post in this thread dedicated to having a sky schedule. The onus is on the community as a whole to make something work, not just them. If they are not given a proper slot, or if something is not worked out, why not just do whatever works for you? It worked for IB

And that starts with them figuring out what day of the week they want to go up there, and directly asking the leadership of the guild that has that slot to work something out with them. Is there any compelling reason why they cannot do that? If so, I'd like to hear it.

[-Catherin-]

can anyone say when Europa typically starts Sky? We could recommend a Western Hemisphere server-wide effort to clear Sky 2 hours before they can field a raid. Every day. And don't buff/trade/group with any of their members. After all... we can all play the ultimatum game, right? ;)

Like this. Was kind of thinking the same thing.

This also doesn't just effect Taken. This act pretty much puts the only rotation this server was ever able to come together on at risk.


Nobody responded to their post in this thread dedicated to having a sky schedule. The onus is on the community as a whole to make something work, not just them. If they are not given a proper slot, or if something is not worked out, why not just do whatever works for you? It worked for IB

While this is unfortunate, you are missing the point. We thought we had decent relations with europa. if they had decided on Thursday it would have been easy to contact any of us and start working out something. When they went in behind our backs we were all pretty much shocked. And discussion was engaged with Europa after the fact at that point too, which was met with apathy. All of this could have easily been avoided. A vague post stating they are taking a day without any other further information doesnt cut it

[Sarius]

I just don't see why nobody reached out to them except for FE. Apparently nobody gives a fuck about their sky day, and this is what had resulted. I hope you all can reach an agreement in the near future to maintain this rotation.

[Uteunayr]

I just don't see why nobody reached out to them except for FE. Apparently nobody gives a fuck about their sky day, and this is what had resulted. I hope you all can reach an agreement in the near future to maintain this rotation.

Bregan D'Aerth also offered them to work into Friday, but did not show up at the agreed upon times, threatening Bregan's respawn schedule. So, +1 to the list.

And as someone who was waiting that morning, we were not even informed of the call off.

[Sarius]

It would have certainty been considerate if they had contacted you to let you know, and it is messed up if your two guilds had a good rapport. Once again, I really hope everybody can work together to accommodate each other now that every guild is capable of doing the higher islands.

[YendorLootmonkey]

I just don't see why nobody reached out to them except for FE. Apparently nobody gives a fuck about their sky day, and this is what had resulted. I hope you all can reach an agreement in the near future to maintain this rotation.

Here's the way they can reach agreement, if that is their intention:

And that starts with them figuring out what day of the week they want to go up there, and directly asking the leadership of the guild that has that slot to work something out with them. Is there any compelling reason why they cannot do that? If so, I'd like to hear it.

[arsenalpow]

Bregan D'Aerth also offered them to work into Friday, but did not show up at the agreed upon times, threatening Bregan's respawn schedule. So, +1 to the list.

That's correct.

Hi Chest

As you might have missed my last message here I am again. Let me know if we could work smthg out - next possible option would be FRI Aug 9th...

Cheers
Hally

ya, that's work for us as long as you make sure to start early enough that things start repopping between 7-8pm EST... we'll set aside the 9th for the go round

and then they no-showed

[YendorLootmonkey]

So the issue is their internal communication/leadership?

The issue is they cannot commit to a single day like the rest of the guilds have in order to make this work. They need the full spectrum of 7 days of opportunity to field a Sky raid force apparently, hence the flakiness/no-shows. That's not how this works when the other guilds are committing to a specific day.

[Splorf22]

I sympathize with Taken. It sucks to port up to Sky and be like WELL NOTHING IS UP WHAT DO WE DO NOW.

I can also sympathize with Europa. Just read this thread; any time a guild has tried to join the Sky rotation it has been like pulling teeth.

TBH I don't think this rotation will last till the end of the year. There are just too many people that want to do Sky.

[YendorLootmonkey]

I can also sympathize with Europa. Just read this thread; any time a guild has tried to join the Sky rotation it has been like pulling teeth.

How so? FE and BDA have tried to accommodate:

So far only Forceful Entry has contacted me but Saturday just really doesn't work for us.


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Originally Posted by HallygukRZ
Hi Chest

As you might have missed my last message here I am again. Let me know if we could work smthg out - next possible option would be FRI Aug 9th...

Cheers
Hally
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Originally Posted by arsenalpow
ya, that's work for us as long as you make sure to start early enough that things start repopping between 7-8pm EST... we'll set aside the 9th for the go round
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and then they no-showed

Europa can't commit to a specific day. They want to just go up whenever is convenient for them. You know what... I'm sure all the other guilds would rather go up when it's convenient for them... but that's not how this works.

[williestargell]

who cares if anyone responded or not, they broke the rotation plain and simple.

they are in the wrong. to say otherwise is flat out stupid.

or...if i post that we're taking the next trakanon spawn and nobody objects, does that mean it is ours?

come on people - use your heads, they bullied their way into a rotation night that wasnt theres plain and simple.

edit: the fact that they already had a sky rotation spot, they just wanted someone elses...hmmm

[Trouble]

The reason Europa didn't say anything to anyone about when they were going up is because they tried to warn a guild of their poaching before they did it in the past and they got outpoached. At least it happened to Taken.

[Striiker]

Here's how it went down from my perspective.. I was contacted by an officer of Taken that Europa was taking Sky from us today. I honestly thought this was a mistake because I had thought highly of Europa up to that point. I logged in (I was camped out in Sky) and sure enough, they were there and fighting Spiroc Lord.
I established contact with Asterid (Boilon on P99 forums), one of the leaders of Europa (they lead by council, not a single leader with officers). The basics of the conversation were that they had asked to be contacted by guilds via this thread regarding working on sky rotation changes and only FE had responded (apparently not true as BDA had also responded.) Asterid came across with an aggressive and dick-ish manner while I was trying to be polite and have a meaningful conversation. I managed to remain civil and asked that we resume discussions via PM (nothing received yet). He indicated that because he posted in this forum and bumped the thread and waited a week that it was sufficient to justify rolling into Sky on Taken's allotted night without any effort at direct communication with myself or any other officer in Taken. It's quite a simple thing to do too (click on Taken's recruitment thread and select one of many ways to contact us directly (email, PM, guild website, etc). Nothing was done and the line being towed by Europa's leadership is that it's not their fault they decided to do this.. It's our fault for not reading a post in a forum thread 40+ pages deep and then for initiating contact with them.
[Thu Aug 22 16:23:28 2013] You told Asterid, 'My guild contact information is available and known to your guild leadership (I had contacteds someone regarding working together on stuff, which I am sure you are aware of)'
[Thu Aug 22 16:23:53 2013] Asterid tells you, 'i dont care whos contact information is available to whom, I REQUESTED ALL GUILDS to PM me on the forums if they wanted to work to a resolution for sky with Europa'
[Thu Aug 22 16:24:06 2013] Asterid tells you, 'I was not to send a PM to everyone, they were to PM us'

Pretty ballsy to be so arrogant as to demand that others contact him as he is apparently above such pedestrian activities..

I told him that he was screwing over Taken and felt that he had negative tune with me and he said..
[Thu Aug 22 16:21:49 2013]i have no idea what your talking about, we rolled a dice 1-5 monday-friday'
[Thu Aug 22 16:21:55 2013] Asterid tells you, 'completely random day'

This is utter bullshit and we ALL know it. (never mind that they had an offer of Friday already). Taken was chosen because we have a reputation for being laid back and not prone to reacting harshly when faced with asshattery.. I truly doubt that they would have stepped on FE's or BDA's nights like this as those guilds are much less forgiving of such things.
He then had to audacity to tell me
[Thu Aug 22 16:25:12 2013] Asterid tells you, 'if you would like to enter further negotiations with us we can talk it out and see what we can work with now, but as far as i see it nobody was interested in contacting me'


Sorry but nobody would ever negotiate with someone that has wronged them or behaved like dicks as Europa has done. I will not negotiate jack-shit with them now. They can post another apology on the forums for all to see and explain again that they made dumb-ass decisions and behaved poorly and in direct contradiction to the established and agreed upon rotations in Sky. They can apologize for wasting the time of 40 people who had to make key corpses. They can also repay us the expense we experienced porting to sky for key corpse refreshes. I will then consider hearing them out and working on an agreement.

The really sad part of this is that had he reached out to me directly, we would have gladly worked on a compromise and perhaps done some joint raids etc. This shit storm would have never happened had the leaders in Europa like Asterid made the simple effort of writing a PM to me. They didn't even have the decency to contact us to let us know of their intentions.

This should concern all guilds, not just Taken. You should each be reassessing your opinions and trust concerning Europa. This sky rotation was one of the two rare areas on the server where all guilds agreed to work together on a schedule (the Ragefire rotation was the other) and Europa decided that they were above it all. The days offered to them were not to their liking so they decided to steal from others.

[mtb tripper]

any euro guilds on blue?

[arsenalpow]

The reason Europa didn't say anything to anyone about when they were going up is because they tried to warn a guild of their poaching before they did it in the past and they got outpoached. At least it happened to Taken.

Europa approached us and said we're going up whether you like it or not at whatever time is best for us, which is why we've been clearing sky during the AM on Friday to ensure our mobs are there for us at during the PM raid. Europa then approached us about using that AM slot (the prior conversation) and everything seemed fine, they didn't show up but it wasn't a big deal.

Today was pretty messed up though and i don't even like Taken. I don't think Europa had any intent on working with another guild. Looks like they were wiping anyways so it's probably moot.

[-Catherin-]

Just as an fyi too. Fear was being pretty conservative with those logs that he posted, He is a really chill guy, and even now what you have seen I consider the lesser of the rest that was said. The way he was treated was absolutely shameful on Europa's part and there was absolutely no need for it. There was no desire shown to work together AT ALL.

I try not to stereotype people by their guild they are in. been with plenty of Europa that have been grand. Even get along with some BDA :D

But you guys are making it hard to see this as anything else other than a direct attack on us and the rotation as a whole by ALL of your members. If you were at that raid, you knowingly broke the rotation and have shown nothing but contempt to us.

I'm willing to work with anyone else on the current sky rotation to do what it takes to show you that you cant just do what you want and destroy it.

Or maybe you can rethink what you are doing and we can try to handle this like adults. /gasp, I know I know

[Oompaa]

Europa does have a Sky slot, and that's Wednesdays prior to Divinity going up. The only thing that has changed is now that the upper isles have been nerfed, guilds who would otherwise be unable to clear them are able to make the attempt now. This is the new conflict with the current Sky schedule.

It was only a matter of time. More guilds + more toons 55+ without any new content for years, means not enough room in the kiddie pool and people getting upset.

[starguitar33]

from Boilon:
"The point about BDA reaching out to us is very poor. I don't care what Chest says or anyone else but their demands were very insulting and not something we could possibly accommodate at all. I also do not like the way the other American guilds feel that they are entitled something just because they were the first people to pick it up, this is not sharing but ignorance and greed."

Europa's demands for 'everyone contacting them or they take sky' were very ignorant, and them just walzing into sky is extremely insulting. I don't think we should accommodate at all now. You've burned that bridge.
I think its funny that Europa feels that they are entitled something just because they weren't (and still aren't) even able to pick it up, ESPECIALLY when they ALREADY have their OWN TIME.

>>Wednesday - Early EST - Europa, Late EST - Divinity <<

They also proved by wiping yesterday that they are only ready to raid Crushbone, not sky.

[starguitar33]

also, if you look on their guild forum on p1999, they say that they took out spiroc lord on the 1st and the 14th. they even have pics. so idk what this BS is about them not able to do sky.

[arsenalpow]

Europa just isn't on the same page. Sherrypie was the person who said a while back that they'd do sky whenever they felt like it which triggered our AM clears, and then Boilon is the one that's been spouting a bunch of rhetoric lately. It's a shame because they have people like Malfrat who I like and Hallyguk who was pleasant to coordinate with.

Sky is all on an 8 hour respawn except for the isle 7 trash which is 24 hours. If they wanted to coordinate some high island kills they could have but instead it's easier to hide behind some lies and do whatever they want. Divinity accommodated Europa, BDA and FE reached out.

If Europa wants this fixed I'd hope that another representative steps forward because Boilon isn't doing the guild any favors.

[-Catherin-]

Europa just isn't on the same page. Sherrypie was the person who said a while back that they'd do sky whenever they felt like it which triggered our AM clears, and then Boilon is the one that's been spouting a bunch of rhetoric lately. It's a shame because they have people like Malfrat who I like and Hallyguk who was pleasant to coordinate with.

Sky is all on an 8 hour respawn except for the isle 7 trash which is 24 hours. If they wanted to coordinate some high island kills they could have but instead it's easier to hide behind some lies and do whatever they want. Divinity accommodated Europa, BDA and FE reached out.

If Europa wants this fixed I'd hope that another representative steps forward because Boilon isn't doing the guild any favors.

Other members of Europa have also drank that Kool-Aid as they are spouting the same exact rhetoric to me in tells

Nobody was out to get you guys. Heck, most people held you in really high regard. But if you choose to continue down this path then who knows

[-Catherin-]

heres what SHOULD be happening

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=114783

[YendorLootmonkey]

Europa, I would take a very close look at your leadership and how they are representing you right now. They are on the brink of having many of the guilds on this rotation go out of their way to ensure you can't just waltz up and take whatever you want. I'm sure many of the guilds would band together to clear Sky in the AM to ensure the mobs they want are respawned for their main raid. I don't speak for any of the guilds here of course, but I am just putting myself in the shoes of an Europa member and I know *I* would be concerned about Europa's leadership inadvertently turning a bunch of guilds against Europa on this.

Developing your guild into a raid guild and learning to work together is a tremendous step forward, and I applaud and respect you for wanting to take on harder targets in upper Sky. But with that evolution into a raid guild also comes the additional responsibility of diplomatically dealing with the other raid guilds. And you can go in one of two directions on that... working with us or rubbing us the wrong way. The choice is yours... but you may want to compel your leadership that the path of least resistance is to identify what day you want to field a Sky raid, identifying which guild has that day on the rotation, and contacting that guild's leadership directly to work something out.

Trust me... it'll go a lot easier than coming in here and demanding all the guilds reach out to you to work something out and expect them to cater to your whims, and when they don't, you go up anyway and shit all over the guild you perceived would let you use them as a doormat.

Do you see the difference in the approaches, or is this maybe a cultural difference thing?

[Raavak]

This is why we can't have nice things.

[Oompaa]

also, if you look on their guild forum on p1999, they say that they took out spiroc lord on the 1st and the 14th. they even have pics. so idk what this BS is about them not able to do sky.

Spiroc Lord has nothing to do with the upper isles.

[mrmop520]

Had posted in the now RNF thread :/

It sucks the Sky rotation has become so cluttered. Speaking from the times when I was leading the FC sky raids and running into issues getting full keys (Noble cycle on your day means no island 2 clears), Fearstalker reached out to me and offered FC to clear 1-5 for keys on their thursday. This was an awesome gesture and I didn't even approach them asking for it. It's too bad Europa didn't discuss their desires to attempt 6-8 with Taken beforehand-I'm sure they would have been willing to work something out.

Honestly I see these actions as a direct result of IB stepping on FC's day and there being no consequences. There was no sky-rotation protection force to come save our day and ruin IB's (that we had for months prior) and therefore IB was able to start before we could. Even though Europa already had a sky time, Europa's actions mirrored IB's , they posted in the thread twice about their desires, then said fuck it and decided to clear.

[arsenalpow]

Except guilds did try to work with them. Even Taken tried to salvage then situation as it was going down. The issue is Europa not having a clear voice. If Boilon is the official rep then he should address this without trying to twist the facts. FE reached out and I already provided proof of BDA with a verbal agreement that wasn't fulfilled on Europa's side.

[starguitar33]

Spiroc Lord has nothing to do with the upper isles.

so? Europa is crying that they don't have a sky day.
>They have a sky day.
Europa is crying that they're not allowed to kill any islands higher than spirocs?
>they demonstrated their ability WIPE on NERFED mobs. (The only ones who won in sky yesterday were the mobs. they got to live longer because nobody in Europa could kill them)

Also, what does this have to do with the douchbaggery shown by Europa when they raid sky on someone else's night, or when they expected other guilds to contact them?

Children act like this when their parents tell them no.
kid: Hey mom, can I have a soda?
parent: No(because it'll keep you up all night)!
kid: Fine I'll just STEAL IT.
parent: time for a whipping
kid: ow,ow,oh god ow, ow, ow (sounds like europa needs a spanking)

[HallygukRZ]

Dear community of p99

We would like to clarify our decision on why we as a guild decided to raid PoSky on last Thursday. In the process, we would like to also address some of the accusations thrown our way.

First of all, understand that on this matter, all of the Europa council speaks as one, so attacks against individual officers are moot. Also, we coordinate our way forward with our memberbase so understand that this was a guild decision. It is much to our regret that things have come to this as we consider ourselves to be good people with a code of conduct we always to stick to - no matter how dirty things can get on p99.

As most of our members live in the European timezone our prime raid time starts at 19:00 CET (13:00 EST). We cannot start earlier, because we are a casual guild, all of our members have a life, with jobs and families. With repops in Sky at 8 hours for the lower isles, you do the math: An "AM" slot is no option for us, if the demand from the guild following us is that they have repops at their prime time.

As for the actual situation: Europa had exactly one slot in sky, for isles 1-5, on a 14-day basis, sharing them with Divinity. However, we progressed over the last months and no one was willing to share Sky on a bi-weekly basis with us. Proof? Sky rotation thread here. Although this is the single occassion where we would have time zone advantage, we delayed the decision for 1-2 months to try and find an agreement within the guilds on P99.

We have approached BDA on the matter, and no, we did not state we WILL take their day, we tried to explain to them that we COULD do it, and that we were nevertheless trying to find an agreement with them. The reaction was a) the "generous" offer to raid early enough so they are not affected, and when we declined that, b) the pre-emptive clearing of the lower isles with an early task force to make sure Europa could not get a shot at mobs. This while we didn't even plan to go up there on that day.

After some more weeks here on the sky rotation thread without results, we had a long internal discussion how to proceed. We concluded that our only option to raid upper isles is to do it on a day of our choice, and that informing anyone of a planned raid would most likely lead to the same destructive approach that BDA is doing on fridays. That is why we did not contact Taken beforehand.

Finally, the day we chose has nothing to do with the guild who is on the rotation on that day, it is simply the day that suits us best. With the one exception that we did not want to interfere with Divinity because they have been the only guild that was kind enough to let us have a shot at Sky (within our time limitations).

Please understand that the refusal of sharing any acceptable raid time with Europa (by all guilds on the rotation) has left us with the option of doing Sky when we want to, or skipping Sky content. Ask yourself: What would you have done in our situation?

Personal insults, threats, attempts at sabotage or intimidation are not getting anyone anywhere. Are we sorry? We are genuinely sorry things came to this, but we had no other choice. Will we apologize? No, because we did everything we could to sort this out peacefully but no one cared. Will we negotiate? Absolutely.

We will gladly accept a 14 day rotation for PoSky.

Signed by the <Europa> officers
Asterid, Dagorn, Hallyguk, Powtle, Sebekkha and Sherrypie.

[Thulack]

And how did Sky turn out for you last night?

[Erati]

The obv thing is to talk with the leaders of the guild whom currently reside in the slot u were goin to attempt

hard to believe an entire council couldnt forsee skipping that step would cause problems

[Pringles]

The obv thing is to talk with the leaders of the guild whom currently reside in the slot u were goin to attempt

hard to believe an entire council couldnt forsee skipping that step would cause problems

[Soandso]

The obv thing is to talk with the leaders of the guild whom currently reside in the slot u were goin to attempt

hard to believe an entire council couldnt forsee skipping that step would cause problems

[Joyelle]

After some more weeks here on the sky rotation thread without results, we had a long internal discussion how to proceed. We concluded that our only option to raid upper isles is to do it on a day of our choice, and that informing anyone of a planned raid would most likely lead to the same destructive approach that BDA is doing on fridays. That is why we did not contact Taken beforehand.

So never in your lengthy deliberations did you even think to contact Taken directly to try to work out a deal since our Sky day happens to be the most convenient for you? You openly admit to covert operations to screw over our guild for your personal gain. You rightly deserve whatever is coming to you, because you brought it upon yourselves.

Ask yourself: What would you have done in our situation?

I am confident that our leadership would have made an exhaustive effort to contact the appropriate parties and broker some sort of deal if we were in your situation. The fact was not that nobody was willing to work with you, but you were unwilling to put forth the effort to peacefully negotiate for what you wanted. I think you may have been surprised at the results had you simply asked directly.

[William_Munny15]

The obv thing is to talk with the leaders of the guild whom currently reside in the slot u were goin to attempt

hard to believe an entire council couldnt forsee skipping that step would cause problems

[-Catherin-]

This is more of the same that I have already heard from other members/officers/council/whatever of Europa.

I also have logs from the same sources admitting that you knowingly did not contact us, knowingly went into sky behind our backs, and knowingly cleared up on our time slot. And knowingly making the decision to not contact us to try to negotiate.

Because in your paranoia you assumed we would not negotiate, and we would make a point to make sure you would not be able to make that clear. You were totally wrong about that. We would have been more than willing. Things may be a bit different now though.


This was not a random decision. This was not targeted at random either. It was premeditated and executed knowing full well what you were doing, and who you were doing it against. And when your "council" was approached, we were met with outright hostility and rudeness. So again we ask why?

You are again being willfully blind to what you don't want to see and what actually happened, and anyone who can read between the lines already sees there is more to this than your statement. So just come out with it already

I don't speak for Taken. But I am pretty sure after these actions there can still be negotiation, but not before restitution

[-Catherin-]

Last post for now.

I'll tell you guys a cool story.

Because of how we do our weekly sky clears, if you had just contacted us you would have been able to do sky Thursday night every single week and not have to be stuck with a 14 day rotating shift.

As a result of your attitudes however, and complete lack of goodwill, you may not even get that now

[khanable]

and that informing anyone of a planned raid would most likely lead to the same destructive approach that BDA is doing on fridays.


Destructive yet CLEARLY necessary.

[Stinkum]

I dislike Taken, but it's hard to slice this situation in any way other than Europa being extremely in the wrong.

[Trouble]

The reason Europa didn't say anything to anyone about when they were going up is because they tried to warn a guild of their poaching before they did it in the past and they got outpoached.

We concluded that our only option to raid upper isles is to do it on a day of our choice, and that informing anyone of a planned raid would most likely lead to the same destructive approach that BDA is doing on fridays.


Nailed it!

[Bazia]

got into it with a taken dude today

[williestargell]

Get yourself to RnF dude.

Level 18 rogue logs in camped out in the derv camp which he was killing earlier solo, gets agro'd by two mobs and kills them. That amounts to me KSing your camp. I attack one other mob, don't get the kill, which i surely could have by simply hitting my backstab button once, then leave.

Mr. Bazia proceeds to call me names as above.

If you're basing your opinions of who is cool / not cool in p99 by people like him, I feel sorry for you.

[Bazia]

we straight my bad

[dustysr06]

Lets replay the scenario with what Europa should have done:

Europa Leadership pm/email/msg in game Taken Leadership:
"Hey, we were trying to get a crack at 6+ in sky, u guys doing that this Thursday?"

Taken Leadership response:
"Nope, go for it, we're gonna do a key run up to 5 this week and farm some Lords. We should get started around 6est, soon as we clear 2 feel free to pull the bees down?"

HOLY SHIT THAT WAS HARD

[Clark]

http://s24.postimg.org/h5uxd3y2d/yyy2.jpg

but it's Sky

[getsome]

Dear community of p99
However, we progressed over the last months and no one was willing to share Sky on a bi-weekly basis with us. Proof? Sky rotation thread here. Although this is the single occassion where we would have time zone advantage, we ie.

http://i40.tinypic.com/2623blj.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/f0vqz5.jpg

[Jameus]

Even after the Ragefire incident our Guild Leader was more than willing to communicate with Europa leadership in a civil manner.

Thank you for stepping up to discuss this in an open forum. We have always held Europa in high regard and were surprised when we saw the leap frogging and pearl hand in to Ragefire. We hold no grudges and graciously accept your explanation and apology. You continue to be a great guild of EQ players on P1999 and we are always happy to help and group with your members.

This just further illustrates the unwillingness of Europa's leadership to be honorable and communicate as adults. This past Thursday was our SCHEDULED key run! We had no plans to visit island 6 at all. If their leadership had just opened up a dialogue with us there could've been a win-win situation with zero hard feelings. However, it becomes increasingly apparent that they had no intention of communicating with anyone. I feel a little sad for some of those members that blindly followed the ill advised direction of the leadership.

That's okay though, Thursday is TAKEN.

[Tradermule]

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[A1551]

I can see why Europa got upset about things that have happened, I can see where Europa members had reason to feel like they weren't getting a fair shake in sky, but wow talk about not the right way to go about addressing it.

Europa I genuinely hope you reach out and work out your issues with people directly and we can all move on -- its awesome the server can cooperate and make this sky rotation work. I've seriously never met a member of Europa who wasn't pretty cool and reasonable, but you guys have to understand this was a shady move any way you look at it. I'm happy you guys feel ready to move on to higher islands but the onus is on you to work directly with guild leaders not post generic ultimatums to a forum post people rarely check. If you talk to people and get told to screw off that's one thing, but you never even gave them a chance. Blowing up Taken's rotation day without even trying to work with them is a pretty terrible thing to do and they have every right to be furious about it.

As an aside, who cares if Europa had a tough night on isles >5? So they went for the first time and had some issues, its ridiculous to make fun of them for it. I'm sure once they've seen it a few times it'll be trivial for them too. If you wanna call them on something call them on the shady thing they did.

[Splorf22]

Propo with some good stuff as always. Time to ditch AG and join The A-Team obviously.

Also, The A-Team would like a crack at Sky 6-8 sometime. If anyone is planning on just doing 1-5 and some lord farming whatever night we'd appreciate a heads up. We'd probably need to know a day or two in advance I'm guessing. Ploktor was nice enough to give me access to his cleric that is keyed to 8, so after two is down we can corpse up to 7 and stay out of everyone else's way.

[pharmakos]

time for The A-Team to merge into Azure Guard ;)

[YendorLootmonkey]

If anyone is planning on just doing 1-5 and some lord farming whatever night we'd appreciate a heads up. We'd probably need to know a day or two in advance I'm guessing.

Pretty sure we just experienced 3-4 days of drama because Europa expected everyone to come to them and lay out their plans to accommodate Europa. Did we not just learn the way everyone expects this to be handled is to go talk directly to the guild leadership of the guild that has the day you're planning to go up? :)

[pharmakos]

^^^ nah i think

Step 1. -- ask openly in the thread
Step 2. -- if you don't get a response, then ask guilds individually

is a good method

Europa skipped Step 2

[Splorf22]

Pretty sure we just experienced 3-4 days of drama because Europa expected everyone to come to them and lay out their plans to accommodate Europa. Did we not just learn the way everyone expects this to be handled is to go talk directly to the guild leadership of the guild that has the day you're planning to go up? :)

Yendor, you remind me of Lundberg from Office Space. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjJCdCXFslY I can just see you sitting there with your coffee mug, leaning on the cubicle wall: "Hello Loraen, what's happening. I'd just like to let you know that the Sky thread designed for guild communication about Sky is totally pointless. We want you to PM us directly. OH oh and I almost forgot, I'm going you to come in on Sunday, mmmkay?"

I meant what I said: if a guild is planning to leave the bees up, we'd appreciate them telling us so we could take a crack at them. Not 'We're going to do 6+ on a random day'.

P.S. What do you think Chest would say if I told him 'Seeing as how you raid Sky three times a week, we'd like to go up on Monday or Friday every other week and try 6-8'?

[YendorLootmonkey]

P.S. What do you think Chest would say if I told him 'Seeing as how you raid Sky three times a week, we'd like to go up on Monday or Friday every other week and try 6-8'?

I don't know. I don't speak for Chest. But if you're asking about Monday, you'll want to speak to Lecompte or someone in Rapture, not Chest.

[williestargell]

Taken has made a large effort not to escalate the drama, while still protecting our sky slot in the rotation. We have made every attempt since Thursday to come to a peaceful solution with Europa. Europa has refused even a basic apology.

After the failure of these efforts....IT IS ON!

Taken will engage in all necessary "activities" which do not violate server rules to protect our sky rotation spot, and the sky rotation in general. We invite like minded guilds and players that would like to ensure the future of this rotation to join us.

[Lyra]

Taken has made a large effort not to escalate the drama

Glad to know what you consider effort and drama.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=119663

[Splorf22]

Taken has made a large effort not to escalate the drama, while still protecting our sky slot in the rotation. We have made every attempt since Thursday to come to a peaceful solution with Europa. Europa has refused even a basic apology.

After the failure of these efforts....IT IS ON!

Taken will engage in all necessary "activities" which do not violate server rules to protect our sky rotation spot, and the sky rotation in general. We invite like minded guilds and players that would like to ensure the future of this rotation to join us.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Taken/BDA are going to burn out clearing Sky in the morning a long time before Europa gets tired of clearing sky during their regular slot. Fortunately for us, we have TMO doing our morning clear for us . . . . .

[Verenity]

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Taken/BDA are going to burn out clearing Sky in the morning a long time before Europa gets tired of clearing sky during their regular slot. Fortunately for us, we have TMO doing our morning clear for us . . . . .

Don't worry about BDA, our morning Sky crew is almost entirely comprised of different people than our evening crew. It's nice to give them the opportunity to kill things they normally couldn't due to work, different timezones, or other reasons.

[Splorf22]

Oh, well then. Seems like things worked out for you after all!

[zanderklocke]

While I have no personal stake in this as I hardly ever play anymore and haven't been to sky in probably two months, fighting people to prevent them from doing sky does not seem like a healthy maneuver to keep the rotation system in tact. Maybe both sides should shake hands and work it out. Let bygones be bygones?

[YendorLootmonkey]

Taken will engage in all necessary "activities" which do not violate server rules to protect our sky rotation spot, and the sky rotation in general. We invite like minded guilds and players that would like to ensure the future of this rotation to join us.


Pretty sure this is going to lead to WW3 IRL.

[williestargell]

....Europa gets tired of clearing sky...

Well apparently all Taken will need to do in the future is keep our keys and log in and Kill the Queen Bee after Europa wipes to her.

All that talk about killing upper islands and you're not even capable of doing it.

[Striiker]

Not sure who you are Williestargell. I assume you are a member of Taken. I understand your frustration but please refrain from using this thread to stir things up. This thread was originally intended to work together as guilds to agree upon sky rotations in a broad sense. I'll not rehash the whole direct contact efforts vs. indirect. I say once again, as has been echoed by others, that guilds wishing to work on sharing sky nights with those who have prior and well-established nights should contact guild leaders directly. I honestly had not visited this thread much as it had mainly contained updates around agreements between other guilds. If I could go back in time and visited this thread daily, I know that a good agreement with Europa would shave been established. But I can't do that and what has happened has happened. What has been said has been said. We in Taken have a firm understanding of Europa's view on the subject and they believe that they did no wrong. Again, it's concerning and disappointing.

[Anichek]

Loraen, check PM's.

[Cecily]

Not sure who you are Williestargell. I assume you are a member of Taken. I understand your frustration but please refrain from using this thread to stir things up. This thread was originally intended to work together as guilds to agree upon sky rotations in a broad sense. I'll not rehash the whole direct contact efforts vs. indirect. I say once again, as has been echoed by others, that guilds wishing to work on sharing sky nights with those who have prior and well-established nights should contact guild leaders directly. I honestly had not visited this thread much as it had mainly contained updates around agreements between other guilds. If I could go back in time and visited this thread daily, I know that a good agreement with Europa would shave been established. But I can't do that and what has happened has happened. What has been said has been said. We in Taken have a firm understanding of Europa's view on the subject and they believe that they did no wrong. Again, it's concerning and disappointing.

http://i.imgur.com/NGVqv8H.jpg

[Servellious]

3 years of kunark and we have sky drama

[Splorf22]

Fearstalker PMed me that Taken was planning on going 1-5 for keys this Thursday, so I rallied the troops and we headed up. We got the Eye of Veeshan down fairly easily but proudly wiped to the Bee Queen at 10-15%. I'd say the postnerf Queen is definitely doable with 10-15; we just need better coordination and more enchanters!

Anyway a big thanks to Taken for letting us go up, and BDA for also offering Friday, although I think we need to recover for a bit. It seems the Sky rotation will live to see another week!

[Tecmos Deception]

more enchanters!

Yeah yeah!

[Handull]

So apparently Eye of Veeshan is an 8 hour repop. He is up now (10pm) and FE killed him around 2pm. (I was under the impression he was a 12 hour respawn. So yeah, guilds that double up on days, there is a new mob to add to your list. To make things interesting, I'll say that I've figured out a way to pull him to islands 2/3/4/5 with just two people, though a 3rd of the right class would make things a little easier, but not much. Requires a way to get people to island 7 and one person to island 8. Cheers.

[Nastinate]

^ so this info may not have been news to people, but its a good way to change how things are done. Thanks I guess.

[arsenalpow]

So apparently Eye of Veeshan is an 8 hour repop. He is up now (10pm) and FE killed him around 2pm. (I was under the impression he was a 12 hour respawn. So yeah, guilds that double up on days, there is a new mob to add to your list. To make things interesting, I'll say that I've figured out a way to pull him to islands 2/3/4/5 with just two people, though a 3rd of the right class would make things a little easier, but not much. Requires a way to get people to island 7 and one person to island 8. Cheers.

umm this has been common knowledge since before sky was made to be easymode

[Godefroi]

3 years of kunark and we have sky drama

add 800 people not playin and waiting on velious !

Sirken doesn't realizes his life will be full of headaches lol

[Masq]

Are there any open raids for unguilded members? Or perhaps any guilds that don't mind unguilded people tagging along?

Rogue btw

[HallygukRZ]

Dear guilds in the current rotation

I'd like to give you an update. Thanks to <Divinity> and <Rapture> we are happy to announce a diplomatic solution that won't interfere with the existing rotation while also giving us a shot at higher islands.

Starting this week, Europa will be doing PoSky alternating MON/WED every week.

Thanks for updating it.

[khanable]

Neat. I like when people talk and find solutions.

Good work all involved!

[HallygukRZ]

While we know noble is ffa, <Europa> would appreciate if you leave islands 6-8 next Monday to us as per rotation agreement. Or we can't key enough members.

Cheers to TMO, FE or whoever gets FTE.

[Jesseca]

Sunday - AM - TMO, PM - A-Team
Monday - Rapture
Tuesday - IB
Wednesday - Early EST - Europa, Late EST - Divinity
Thursday - Taken
Friday - BDA
Saturday - AM/ early PM - FE, Late PM - Azure Guard

Is this schedule still current? I have my reasons for asking.

[HallygukRZ]

Thanks to our bilateral agreement with Rapture, Europa has been granted the Monday slot every week for Plane of Sky.

While we know that the noble is in window on Mondays and have no problem if you kill it - but request to please leave island 7 untouched so we can key people.

Thank you for updating the schedule Funkotron!

[CodyF86]

Just a quick FYI, don't forget daylight savings happened last night, so adjust when you rekey your corpse if you have to, so it doesn't rot...I'm retarded...damn you daylight savings!!!! lol. :)

Aaradin
The A-Team

[zanderklocke]

By the way, I'm guessing Mondays are free now since Rapture is defunct. Not sure if a new guild is looking to get in or one of the weekend guilds would like to stop sharing a day?

[Splorf22]

Considering that Europa boldly posted their Monday flag, I'm guessing not :D

Anyway, a big thanks to Taken for pulling a trigger for us tonight (you can check our guild thread for the whole sordid story). We killed the Spiroc Lord twice tonight with 14, so we're definitely looking for a shot at the Bees again if they happen to open up.

[Alarti0001]

Sooooo since IB/FE do every raid together... shouldn't they only have 1 slot on the sky rotation? Maybe allow another guild into one of those slots!

[Funkutron5000]

We do not raid sky together.

[Alarti0001]

We do not raid sky together.

OK Tmo gonna make 2 raid groups and ask for another slot.

[Phatso]

then do it u whiny fuck

[Alarti0001]

then do it u whiny fuck

stop crying

[Thulack]

I've been up in Sky twice on IB days and havent seen any FE with them either time. So while they might raid other stuff together it doesnt look like they do Sky.

[svenghali]

Just thought I'd post here and see if there were any guilds in the sky rotation that wouldn't mind having a monk tag along for any haste belts that may rot. Send me a msg here or pst in game to Svengha. Thanks much.

[caleros]

Doljonijiarnimorinar will not be participating in this rotation schedule. We feel that it makes absolutely zero logic especially on a server as highly competitive as this one particularly when Velious is near. We understand that there will be hurt feelings and people will contest us as we will them but such is the nature of EVERY spawn/zone on this server and we do not see any reason why this one should be unique.

Caleros- 60 Monk
Officer- Doljonijiarnimorinar

[Jfertal]

Doljonijiarnimorinar will not be participating in this rotation schedule. We feel that it makes absolutely zero logic especially on a server as highly competitive as this one particularly when Velious is near. We understand that there will be hurt feelings and people will contest us as we will them but such is the nature of EVERY spawn/zone on this server and we do not see any reason why this one should be unique.

Caleros- 60 Monk
Officer- Doljonijiarnimorinar

Fucking Badass...