Disciplinary Action

[darkblade717]

Is there any? Or are people just going to constantly get away with training/killstealing and pretending they didn't do it?

First instance- grouping in LGuk at Exe, puller pulls savant (as no one is camping him), Twopair tries to KS, can't out DPS us, then intentionally trains frogs onto us to wipe the group, pretending he didn't do it. Entire group petitions/makes posts, no GM response at all.

Second instance- camping Summoner in UGuk, Madpao runs through, aggros Priest pit shamans, runs towards dead zone, FDs, mobs kill my pet as I didn't have enough mana to kill 5 mobs, then runs back through and does it again. Then constantly taunts me asking if I want to 'join his guild'.

Is this to say that it's perfectly alright for me to go to LGuk and start fear bombing mobs into people's camps if I want them to leave? Or is there some special list of people who's petitions actually are given a damn about?

Rogean, you seriously need to get a more competent in-game staff that will actually do something, you can't do it all yourself.

[fastboy21]

Are you implying that shit like this doesn't happen on live? This happens all the time in EQ, and you have to trust that the GMs will 1) get to it eventually and 2) deal with it fairly.

I do think the game could use more guides to help with this stuff, but then its a double edged sword when you allow ppl into the guide program who might use it unfairly to their or their guild's advantage. There is a balance to be struck, and it seems that the devs do a fairly good job of it here, at least imo.

[Daywolf]

I haven't had any of this here yet, but did see some of this in the past on grand creation. It's an emu, so expect it now and then, more than on live. Do you have fraps? I think the GM's would have no excuse if you had a video of the situation, or any future problems. I have it set on my quick launch.

[darkblade717]

I haven't had any of this here yet, but did see some of this in the past on grand creation. It's an emu, so expect it now and then, more than on live. Do you have fraps? I think the GM's would have no excuse if you had a video of the situation, or any future problems. I have it set on my quick launch.

Shouldn't have to use fraps, all they have to do is check the logs to see if someone's story checks out. They can track the path of a single coin in the game, putting 2 and 2 together to see that someone trained isn't that hard.

Are you implying that shit like this doesn't happen on live? This happens all the time in EQ, and you have to trust that the GMs will 1) get to it eventually and 2) deal with it fairly.

I do think the game could use more guides to help with this stuff, but then its a double edged sword when you allow ppl into the guide program who might use it unfairly to their or their guild's advantage. There is a balance to be struck, and it seems that the devs do a fairly good job of it here, at least imo.

Aside from asking for an IP exemption so I can LAN with one of my friends (which was promptly responded to...now if I can only get ahold of him to find out his account name), none of my petition/exploit posts have ever even been LOOKED AT, let alone responded to.

Aside from Rogean and Cyrius, I have never seen a GM/guide online. A lot of the problems with other people that come up in MMOs are the types of things that need an immediate response or it is just going to get worse and make the 'victim' not want to play, which hurts the game. Campstealing, repeated training, etc are all things that need to be solved within the hour (in my experiences on EQ live pre-Luclin, I never waited longer than 20 minutes for a GM response).

I had someone stealing mobs from me in Highkeep a couple weeks ago and actually got the response 'one of the devs is my guild leader (Wrathful Inquisition) do you really think I'm going to get in trouble?' Things like this are what ruins the game. I'm not sure if it's true or not, but just the mere thought of it is pretty awful and I know that was not the intention of this project to allow people to bully others around just because they volunteered their services or know someone who has some sort of status on P99.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Sounds like you met Dark Ascension. The only solution I know of is to join that guild. Best of luck to you!

[Daywolf]

Shouldn't have to use fraps, all they have to do is check the logs to see if someone's story checks out. They can track the path of a single coin in the game, putting 2 and 2 together to see that someone trained isn't that hard.
Not that I know of. Chat logs, yes, if they choose to. Items like a coin can be tracked by ID in the database and using query, sure. Actions or movement are something else, would be too intensive to log. The more they log, the harder on the server. Logs can leave reasonable doubt, videos can show intention. Everyone gets traned, that's EQ, but having proof that it was intentional is another matter.

[darkblade717]

Sounds like you met Dark Ascension. The only solution I know of is to join that guild. Best of luck to you!

Right, DA is so terrible...I can't believe one of their members sat at the Ancient Cyclops spawn with me in SRo for like 4 hours because there were a lot of people in the zone and I would probably get KSd if it spawned.

[bullet]

Project 1999 is crashing and burning.

Good old classic.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Right, DA is so terrible...I can't believe one of their members sat at the Ancient Cyclops spawn with me in SRo for like 4 hours because there were a lot of people in the zone and I would probably get KSd if it spawned.

Sounds like you just got recruited! See, just join up and you're all set.

[Kinamur1999]

Unfortunately there's really nothing that can be done about trains/ks except train/ks them back.

A friend and I were duoing solb last night, we were trained twice he only died once but we had to gate both times. What did we do? nothing, my buddy sent a tell and didn't even get an apology the guy wouldn't admit Any wrong doing only that we were in a busy part of the zone.

So yeah, Tons of bullshit going on and really NOTHING that you can do about it but try to keep your head high and move along.

[oldhead]

Project 1999 is crashing and burning.

Good old classic.

are you the resident doom and gloom naysayer?

[oldhead]

Unfortunately there's really nothing that can be done about trains/ks except train/ks them back.

A friend and I were duoing solb last night, we were trained twice he only died once but we had to gate both times. What did we do? nothing, my buddy sent a tell and didn't even get an apology the guy wouldn't admit Any wrong doing only that we were in a busy part of the zone.

So yeah, Tons of bullshit going on and really NOTHING that you can do about it but try to keep your head high and move along.


You can find out who his guild leader / officers are and report his behavior. Depending on how they react either blacklist the player or blacklist the guild.

Spread the word in game and on the forums.

Dont ever group with the player.


Its the player bases fault that these asshats are not punished for thier gaming crimes. We the community need to discipline them by blacklisting them.

Instead I see the opposite. I see players condoning the actions and verbally rewarding it. Kinda like a grade school scenario were griefing and trolling is "cool".

Instead of pointing the fingers at the guides, GMs, and Devs how about we take a hold or our responsibility as the players and do the right thing. Set an example and make examples out of bad players and guilds.

[astarothel]

Second instance- camping Summoner in UGuk, Madpao runs through, aggros Priest pit shamans, runs towards dead zone, FDs, mobs kill my pet as I didn't have enough mana to kill 5 mobs, then runs back through and does it again. Then constantly taunts me asking if I want to 'join his guild'.

Madpao is generally pretty cool. Gonna assume there's far more to the story than what you posted.

[oldhead]

Ive had nothing but good experiences with both Mad and Two.

[Phallax]

Madpao is generally pretty cool. Gonna assume there's far more to the story than what you posted.

Yea Mad is cool, Ive heard lots of training and KS stories of Twopair tho, so its not all surprising to me.

[Feiel]

I will make sure I am online the next time this happens!

[Stepy]

"Rogean, you seriously need to get a more competent in-game staff that will actually do something, you can't do it all yourself."

I volunteer my services, I can make fair and rational decisions!

[Raren]

Rogean and Nilbog been talking to me i will be a GM soon i will get everything right on this server!

[Deeps]

I vote Abacab for gm!

[Alawen Everywhere]

Rogean and Nilbog been talking to me i will be a GM soon i will get everything right on this server!

I think this is bullshit just based on the fact that Raren is a liar, but there would be a perverse logic to it--Raren is obviously intimately acquainted with cheating.

[Evorix]

I think this is bullshit just based on the fact that Raren is a liar, but there would be a perverse logic to it--Raren is obviously intimately acquainted with cheating.

Alawen he is obviously just kidding, don't be such a tool.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Alawen he is obviously just kidding, don't be such a tool.

Going to have to disagree with you on the obvious part of this. A virtually identical situation arose on VZ/TZ and a deal was struck with the cheater in exchange for explaining the exploits he knew of.

[Raren]

Going to have to disagree with you on the obvious part of this. A virtually identical situation arose on VZ/TZ and a deal was struck with the cheater in exchange for explaining the exploits he knew of.

Damn Alawen why you upset bro? there must be a reason! i think you been crying on every thread man lol

[girth]

Raren, your definition of crying must be different from the rest of the worlds.

[G13]

Sounds like you met Dark Ascension. The only solution I know of is to join that guild. Best of luck to you!

Actually sounds like he met IB

The most notorious training, kill stealing, leapfrogging guild to ever play on P99

[G13]

I think this is bullshit just based on the fact that Raren is a liar, but there would be a perverse logic to it--Raren is obviously intimately acquainted with cheating.

You mean like your entire guild?

;)

[girth]

Actually sounds like he met IB


You just won the most clever comeback ever award! Congratulations.

[G13]

You just won the most clever comeback ever award! Congratulations.

Nothing clever about it

Just pointing out the facts.

[Pico]

I can confirm that Twopair is in fact a huge douchebag.

[Skope]

is twopair the same guy with the shaman bot? If not then sorry for implicating that he's a two-boxer.

He is, though, an enormous douchebag.

[2pair]

A little bird told me i should take a peek at these forums, I just wanted to state for the record i am simply misunderstood. I wish the best to everyone in your endless questing experience and hope one day we can all stand at the Veeshan's peak and gaze into the sunset as Rogean mutter's "we did it"

[Phallax]

A little bird told me i should take a peek at these forums, I just wanted to state for the record i am simply misunderstood. I wish the best to everyone in your endless questing experience and hope one day we can all stand at the Veeshan's peak and gaze into the sunset as Rogean mutter's "we did it"

Thats really all you have after all that? "misunderstood" ? Its hard to misunderstand numerous training and KSing accusations...Once... forgivable...twice... coincidence....3 times...I see a pattern...

[Gorgetrapper]

Twopair likes to train people if he wants to take the camp. He's done it to ass/sup camp in Lguk when he wanted the camp and they wouldn't move for him.

[2pair]

I honestly really like the "he trained this camp this one time" stories with no proof, date, back story... it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside.

To my knowledge i haven never intentionally trained people-- yes i know most people would just stand on the sidelines and call me names, and spread viral rumors that i am a "huge douchebag" or what a bad person i am; but did any of you ever come and ask me to go get some ice cream? or maybe take a bike ride down by the lake? or even ask me to come along to the movies for christ sake?! No, everyone on this server just jumped on the bandwagon and left ol' Twopair in the dust.

[quido]

whatever twopair, you're a twat and you know it

[2pair]

I am still very entertained by the people i don't know telling me "You are a twat" when i have never even spoken to them-- do your thing Jeremy - Shaman smileyface and Malcom Excon - Enchanter smileyface

[Walabaego]

Never seen this 2Pair dude but will put him on a mental bad list :) Madpao on the other man is a Cool cat.

[2pair]

Never seen this 2Pair dude but will put him on a mental bad list :) Madpao on the other man is a Cool cat.

Haha yeah like this

[Walabaego]

Haha yeah like this

Sorry bud, only reason I say this is because a few people who posted are actually worth believing :)

[2pair]

Such slander, how shall i survive these dark times! I guess i will go watch Lord Of the rings for the Ten thousandth time and enjoy my favorite gallon of ice cream: Breyer's Cookies'n'Cream and just hope one day i can be forgiven. Until that day arrives i shall lurk in the shadows and when you least suspect it i shall swoop in like bird man and rain justice down upon my foes in the form of irritated tells and desperate cries for attention.

[Ghaz]

What's Rockk have to say on this matter?

[2pair]

he'd probably say lawliollieoxenfree

[thxer]

Such slander, how shall i survive these dark times! I guess i will go watch Lord Of the rings for the Ten thousandth time and enjoy my favorite gallon of ice cream: Breyer's Cookies'n'Cream and just hope one day i can be forgiven. Until that day arrives i shall lurk in the shadows and when you least suspect it i shall swoop in like bird man and rain justice down upon my foes in the form of irritated tells and desperate cries for attention.

I think I might like this guy!

[darkblade717]

You can find out who his guild leader / officers are and report his behavior. Depending on how they react either blacklist the player or blacklist the guild.

Spread the word in game and on the forums.

Dont ever group with the player.


Its the player bases fault that these asshats are not punished for thier gaming crimes. We the community need to discipline them by blacklisting them.

Instead I see the opposite. I see players condoning the actions and verbally rewarding it. Kinda like a grade school scenario were griefing and trolling is "cool".

Instead of pointing the fingers at the guides, GMs, and Devs how about we take a hold or our responsibility as the players and do the right thing. Set an example and make examples out of bad players and guilds.

It doesn't really help to get in touch with their guild higher ups if they either ARE the leader/an officer, or they're in a crappy guild like Dutchmasters where the collective group thinks on a 6 year old level and finds it hilarious to fuck with people.

Madpao is generally pretty cool. Gonna assume there's far more to the story than what you posted.

There is literally NOTHING more to the story. I was camping Summoner, someone did a camp check, I called my camp, seconds later he runs from south side of the room, grabs a bunch of stuff, runs over me, FDs at the bottom of the stairs, then runs back through and FDs in the hallway opposite me.

Going to have to disagree with you on the obvious part of this. A virtually identical situation arose on VZ/TZ and a deal was struck with the cheater in exchange for explaining the exploits he knew of.

There have been occasions on EQLive where cheaters were rewarded in exchange for information. MQ2 users were often just given things in exchange for their code in a feeble attempt for SOE to better understand what to look for. Lots of good that did.

Actually sounds like he met IB

The most notorious training, kill stealing, leapfrogging guild to ever play on P99

Aside from 1 isolated incident with a DA member that I take full responsibility for for being an overtired jackass (Holmes I <3 you, please let me take you to dinner), I have only ever had pleasant experiences with DA and IB.

Twopair likes to train people if he wants to take the camp. He's done it to ass/sup camp in Lguk when he wanted the camp and they wouldn't move for him.

His fatal flaw in an attempt to train me, however, was that I can also FD, and my group died fast enough to where the frog wizards stopped using AoE spells (only 1 person on their aggro list, why bother with AoE). Also, hiding behind a corner helps.

I honestly really like the "he trained this camp this one time" stories with no proof, date, back story... it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside.

To my knowledge i haven never intentionally trained people-- yes i know most people would just stand on the sidelines and call me names, and spread viral rumors that i am a "huge douchebag" or what a bad person i am; but did any of you ever come and ask me to go get some ice cream? or maybe take a bike ride down by the lake? or even ask me to come along to the movies for christ sake?! No, everyone on this server just jumped on the bandwagon and left ol' Twopair in the dust.


Time: ~6pm EST 6/18/2010
Group: Vita, Mitic, Solrac, Deimos, Ciksharn

Mitic pulled Savant, you tried to steal his pull (no one was officially camping Savant, he pulled it first) and you cried because you couldn't out DPS a character who, at the time, was more than 10 levels lower than you, so you killed our group with a train.

The rest of the info can be posted by whoever decides to answer the petition.

Dude, you're a dickhead, plain and simple. Then whole plead ignorance thing only digs you a deeper grave. They jumped on the bandwagon because you, and your guild, are complete gutter trash.

[Lazortag]

One time Sisqo intentionally trained me, admitted he did it, I sent a /report and to my knowledge nothing was done about it.

I guess we need videotaped proof of everything.

[2pair]

It doesn't really help to get in touch with their guild higher ups if they either ARE the leader/an officer, or they're in a crappy guild like Dutchmasters where the collective group thinks on a 6 year old level and finds it hilarious to fuck with people.



There is literally NOTHING more to the story. I was camping Summoner, someone did a camp check, I called my camp, seconds later he runs from south side of the room, grabs a bunch of stuff, runs over me, FDs at the bottom of the stairs, then runs back through and FDs in the hallway opposite me.



There have been occasions on EQLive where cheaters were rewarded in exchange for information. MQ2 users were often just given things in exchange for their code in a feeble attempt for SOE to better understand what to look for. Lots of good that did.



Aside from 1 isolated incident with a DA member that I take full responsibility for for being an overtired jackass (Holmes I <3 you, please let me take you to dinner), I have only ever had pleasant experiences with DA and IB.



His fatal flaw in an attempt to train me, however, was that I can also FD, and my group died fast enough to where the frog wizards stopped using AoE spells (only 1 person on their aggro list, why bother with AoE). Also, hiding behind a corner helps.




Time: ~6pm EST 6/18/2010
Group: Vita, Mitic, Solrac, Deimos, Ciksharn

Mitic pulled Savant, you tried to steal his pull (no one was officially camping Savant, he pulled it first) and you cried because you couldn't out DPS a character who, at the time, was more than 10 levels lower than you, so you killed our group with a train.

The rest of the info can be posted by whoever decides to answer the petition.

Dude, you're a dickhead, plain and simple. Then whole plead ignorance thing only digs you a deeper grave. They jumped on the bandwagon because you, and your guild, are complete gutter trash.

My grave is deep, I'm a dickhead, and my guild is gutter trash, and you are one of those people who just makes up a convenient story that makes it so you are right and the other person is wrong-- I'm assuming that you are that Turayalon guy who spammed me for like 40 minutes saying "KID, YOUR DONE", and then spammed my guildmates for 40 minutes trying to get me kicked out after i ignored you. So in my eyes you are the one who is pretending on the forums to be some nice guy who is totally innocent and being taken advantage of. Boo hoo you got "trained" pick your head up and move on quit complaining about it to other people.

[darkblade717]

My grave is deep, I'm a dickhead, and my guild is gutter trash, and you are one of those people who just makes up a convenient story that makes it so you are right and the other person is wrong-- I'm assuming that you are that Turayalon guy who spammed me for like 40 minutes saying "KID, YOUR DONE", and then spammed my guildmates for 40 minutes trying to get me kicked out after i ignored you. So in my eyes you are the one who is pretending on the forums to be some nice guy who is totally innocent and being taken advantage of. Boo hoo you got "trained" pick your head up and move on quit complaining about it to other people.

It would have been 'you're' not 'your' because I actually paid attention in school, dipshit. This bullshit people people pretending they did nothing wrong is just that, bullshit.

[2pair]

I said "YOUR" for a reason because you most likely didn't graduate high school, not everyone is going to get banned because you have a bad day. So in the words of the great thespian Sir Lawrence Olivier: "Fuck yourself"

[darkblade717]

...and the fact that you're putting in so much effort to try to convince people you aren't a scumsucking asshole with the gaming talent of Stephen Hawking just proves that not only do you care, but you're guilty.

[2pair]

Maybe I'm not an asshole, and your self interpreted reality isn't correct-- or maybe i am an asshole; or better yet maybe I'm a person and have totally different moods at different times... but maybe you have downs syndrome and have to be assisted in going to the bathroom by a 40 year old social worker... so many hypotheses, which one is correct?!

[darkblade717]

Maybe I'm not an asshole, and your self interpreted reality isn't correct-- or maybe i am an asshole; or better yet maybe I'm a person and have totally different moods at different times... but maybe you have downs syndrome and have to be assisted in going to the bathroom by a 40 year old social worker... so many hypotheses, which one is correct?!

Seeing as how multiple people have said you're trash I'll let you decide, inbred fucktard.

[2pair]

I think someone is losing there temper, you know that's not very ladylike-- you'll never be able to settle down with a nice man with that attitude. I grow weary of your adolescent ramblings, maybe you should take up a more mellow hobby like lawn bowling or tiddlywinks.

[bullet]

This thread is like dinging 50.

Oh the memories.

[azeth]

Project 1999 is crashing and burning.

Good old classic.

bullet most posts ive seen from you illustrate points akin to "p1999 sucks" "this game is failing" "this server is crashing and burning"..

Just out of curiousity, IRL when you wake up in a bad mood do you usually assume everyone else on the planet is also in a bad mood? or is that just the mindset you take when trolling p1999 R&F and griping about the game 2-4 hrs/day?

[oldhead]

Ive had nothing but good experiences with both Mad and Two.

My grave is deep, I'm a dickhead, and my guild is gutter trash, and you are one of those people who just makes up a convenient story that makes it so you are right and the other person is wrong-- I'm assuming that you are that Turayalon guy who spammed me for like 40 minutes saying "KID, YOUR DONE", and then spammed my guildmates for 40 minutes trying to get me kicked out after i ignored you. So in my eyes you are the one who is pretending on the forums to be some nice guy who is totally innocent and being taken advantage of. Boo hoo you got "trained" pick your head up and move on quit complaining about it to other people.

2pair... as a by standard who you have never trained or acted like an asshole to, you are not portraying yourself in very good light in this thread.

You have the typical nonchalant troll attitude and you pretty much admitted you trained this guy and told him to get over it.

[bullet]

bullet most posts ive seen from you illustrate points akin to "p1999 sucks" "this game is failing" "this server is crashing and burning"..

Just out of curiousity, IRL when you wake up in a bad mood do you usually assume everyone else on the planet is also in a bad mood? or is that just the mindset you take when trolling p1999 R&F and griping about the game 2-4 hrs/day?

No and no.

Don't be mad young everquest scrub, you shall soon know better.

[Aeolwind]

bullet most posts ive seen from you illustrate points akin to "p1999 sucks" "this game is failing" "this server is crashing and burning"..

Just out of curiousity, IRL when you wake up in a bad mood do you usually assume everyone else on the planet is also in a bad mood? or is that just the mindset you take when trolling p1999 R&F and griping about the game 2-4 hrs/day?

Keep in mind, the forums have an ignore feature. Works wonders.

[nicemace]

ive been trained/camp stolen by twopair when i was leveling.

guy is a total douche.

mad is a mad dude tho, top notch.

[2pair]

2pair... as a by standard who you have never trained or acted like an asshole to, you are not portraying yourself in very good light in this thread.

You have the typical nonchalant troll attitude and you pretty much admitted you trained this guy and told him to get over it.

2pair... as a by standard who you have never trained or acted like an asshole to, you are not portraying yourself in very good light in this thread.

You have the typical nonchalant troll attitude and you pretty much admitted you trained this guy and told him to get over it.

I would be apologetic to the guy but he isn't as innocent and nice as he is pretending to be on this forum-- and i suppose i honestly don't particularly feel the need to defend myself or act any differently. If i explained the whole story i would probably just get flamed/trolled anyway so what's the point?

To be perfectly honest i speak brashly and i enjoy messing with people. This may be a bad venue to do it in because people seem to flip out almost instantly, and in some sort of underground network of people my name has been slandered beyond recognition. The fact of the matter is i probably have trained some people on this server, but I am a monk-- sometimes shit happens and because if the negative way i am perceived, it's possible people just get agro when i am flipflopping and want to believe that i am intentionally training. For the record, I personally don't remember ever ks'ing anything from anyone-- sometimes i try to help someone kill something and FD fails or I 1 shot it on accident but i don't walk around killing named things that people are camping or whatever. Finally, that nonchalant attitude you hear is probably me being jaded from all the stupid tell/rage/slander/bullshit that i have to deal with on a daily basis on this server.

Honestly though, some plea to get me banned? It's a joke. And scrutinizing my posts because some people say they don't like me? Look, i play to have fun and i intend to do so for a while-- if you (anyone on this server) isn't having fun playing this game or will let: a debate, a mob agroing you, a joke, an accident, or whatever else make you not have fun-- stop playing. But don't run around in closed circles just talking about people behind their backs if anyone has a legitimate problem aside from "once upon a time twopair trained then ks'd me" let me know.

[darkblade717]

I would be apologetic to the guy but he isn't as innocent and nice as he is pretending to be on this forum-- and i suppose i honestly don't particularly feel the need to defend myself or act any differently. If i explained the whole story i would probably just get flamed/trolled anyway so what's the point?

To be perfectly honest i speak brashly and i enjoy messing with people. This may be a bad venue to do it in because people seem to flip out almost instantly, and in some sort of underground network of people my name has been slandered beyond recognition. The fact of the matter is i probably have trained some people on this server, but I am a monk-- sometimes shit happens and because if the negative way i am perceived, it's possible people just get agro when i am flipflopping and want to believe that i am intentionally training. For the record, I personally don't remember ever ks'ing anything from anyone-- sometimes i try to help someone kill something and FD fails or I 1 shot it on accident but i don't walk around killing named things that people are camping or whatever. Finally, that nonchalant attitude you hear is probably me being jaded from all the stupid tell/rage/slander/bullshit that i have to deal with on a daily basis on this server.

Honestly though, some plea to get me banned? It's a joke. And scrutinizing my posts because some people say they don't like me? Look, i play to have fun and i intend to do so for a while-- if you (anyone on this server) isn't having fun playing this game or will let: a debate, a mob agroing you, a joke, an accident, or whatever else make you not have fun-- stop playing. But don't run around in closed circles just talking about people behind their backs if anyone has a legitimate problem aside from "once upon a time twopair trained then ks'd me" let me know.

You ran THROUGH our camp, FD'd, then immediately got back up after the whole group was dead. You fucked up, you're scum, stopt rying to make someone else look like the bad guy when you were in the wrong.

[2pair]

You ran THROUGH our camp, FD'd, then immediately got back up after the whole group was dead. You fucked up, you're scum, stopt rying to make someone else look like the bad guy when you were in the wrong.

You are worse than cockroaches