General rant for the tanks out there who are being driven off the server.

[runlvlzero]

I felt like this should be addressed in a public forum. I'm not going to name names but I think this community needs a heads up on what is going on in the majority of mid level groups for tanks.

A tanks job is to control the tactical combat of the group, be it through positioning, being the MA and picking targets, and occasionally pulling. They have to work with the the healer and puller to not over-pull or pull poorly. This out of the way lets get into the meat of the problem.

What is happening is an influx of very nubish ogre/troll tanks and ignorant group members who do not let the tank do their job, do not listen to the advice of a well seasoned tank that knows how to deal with different situations like fear, and caster mobs. These types are constantly harrasing people for playing tanks other then an ogre discounting them as worthless as well as their opinions.

If your going to invite a tank into a group at least listen to and try to follow what directions they give, especially when it comes to assisting mobs. Do not be a @$$hat and deliberately target other mobs with your pets then tell the tank that you were saving them or the bard/enchanter. Its not your job, your job is to kill the targets the tanks pick.

This is just basically how it is and how it has been in any successful EQ group since the dawn of time. When the newbs out there degrade and work against the tank then it causes group wipes.

So I don't care how big your EPEEN is or that you got an A in math class last summer if your tank says to do something just do it.

By no means is it easy to play a tank and they have much more stake in the success of a group because they rely on you not to get them killed in order to accomplish anything at all.

If you don't want to listen to your friendly tank, go and solo, and don't ever think of joining a group or being considered a decent player ever.

Remember that when the server is dieing and its hard as hell to find a tank. You can't rely on your guilds uber twinked tanks forever. You are loosing allot of good tanks to other classes and games because of this kind of ignorance. Eventually you will get to a point were ignorance is not going to cut it and no matter how well geared anyone in the group is they wont be able to save you constantly from your own stupid mistakes, nor will they wish to continue spending the time.

I would just like to add this small edit and say that what a tank brings to your group in knowledge far out ways any stats they may have incidentally accumulated over the course of a few hrs or days online.

Thanks, your friendly tank who is now playing a solo class because they are tired of all the shenanigans out there.

[astarothel]

RnF ------------------>>>>> Thataways

[Kainzo]

Wow. I never have an issue with any of my groups.. and if i dont feel like logging into EQ its because I was there 10 years ago and I may want to shoot some people up on MW2 :)

[guineapig]

Honestly, listening to the tank in a group should be treated the same was as listening to the healer or the crowd control person.

If the cleric says hold pulls, you hold pulls right?
If the enchanter tells you to target X you target X.
So when the tank blurts out something during a battle you should probably listen to him. Chances are he has a pretty good reason.

When you don't listen to the trinity in a group, people die. At the very least the group devolves into a disorganized inefficient mess. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

[Cogwell]

very nubish ogre/troll tanks

RACISM

[runlvlzero]

RACISM

Except for Feiten he's awesomesauce!

The reason I said that is it seams that allot of people ignorant and just wanting to be "The Best" seem to have rolled ogres and trolls, nothing wrong with these races but 1 in 5 of those doods have no clue, usually its not as bad if you see another tank, they usually do have a clue and chose to go the harder road because they know they can compensate for not having a pixel peen X big.

[Dantes]

Wow, sounds like you've been in some shitty groups. I'm only level 22 right now but so far just about every group I've been in has had some concept of "Main Assist." When I pull I try to target the most important mob if there are multiples, and call it out with a group message with the %t name of the mob. If I get a big pull I usually say so on the way back so the group can prepare. Usually they do the right thing, because I see the other mobs being mezzed and staying that way until I taunt and hit.

Where are you grouping? I have noticed substantially more assholes in Unrest vs. Uguk. It must be the ZEM, it's like drawing flies to shit. The uguk groups I have been in are organized and each person knows their role. In Unrest I've been grouped with too many folks who go apeshit if you aren't pulling every 2 seconds, even when one group member is LD and another one AFK and you are at half health PULL!

It's kind of annoying, but oh well, it's a game. Most people just need to relax and have fun. Games are supposed to be fun.

[runlvlzero]

I started to hit the real fail groups in my 30's. Not sure what it was but almost every group pre-30 was great. I must say N ro and upper guk is not really all that hard.

I think the dungeon spots post 30 get harder, and the mistakes show through more, not saying there aren't plenty hard spots pre-20 but at 30, you can seriously die to some casters that are rather overpowered on EMU and things can be allot more lethal. Also the pain of death gets exponentialy worse at and past hell levels.

[guineapig]

I started to hit the real fail groups in my 30's. Not sure what it was but almost every group pre-30 was great. I must say N ro and upper guk is not really all that hard.

I think the dungeon spots post 30 get harder, and the mistakes show through more, not saying there aren't plenty hard spots pre-20 but at 30, you can seriously die to some casters that are rather overpowered on EMU and things can be allot more lethal. Also the pain of death gets exponentialy worse at and past hell levels.

That's because many tanks are being Power leveled till level 30-34.
They don't even have a feel for their class on this server by the time they get into the mid-game.

[Dantes]

I think the dungeon spots post 30 get harder, and the mistakes show through more, not saying there aren't plenty hard spots pre-20 but at 30, you can seriously die to some casters that are rather overpowered on EMU and things can be allot more lethal. Also the pain of death gets exponentialy worse at and past hell levels.

Oh I definitely agree, that's why I preface my response with the fact that I'm only level 22. I'm just barely getting to the point where the mobs are getting dangerous.

guineapig makes a good point too, I'm not looking forward to the time when the power leveled people have to start grouping.

[Haynar]

If you have "rant" in the subject of your post, it probably belongs in the Rant and Flames section.

Haynar

[runlvlzero]

Fair enough =)

[frefaln]

Nice post OP, and as someone who tanked for years on Live I'm always encouraged to see people understanding/sharing the basic mechanics of an EQ group. And you are spot on.

I joined P99 a few weeks ago and was about 18 levels into a paladin, and I was quickly reminded of why I got burnt out on tanking on Live back in the day. Simply put, there is an engregious amount of ignorance, impatience, and immaturity out there. If you want to be a truly successful tank on P99 you're going to have to 1) simply accept the chaos that goes on around you, or 2) be an outspoken instruction-giver and risk getting a rep for being "bossy". Either way, you not only have to deal with your weighted workload but you often have to work against your own group members. You're screwed two different ways.

Since I don't have the energy for 50+ levels of that nonsense, I scrapped the pally and rolled a rogue. As luck would have it, my tanking experience has already made me a much better rogue than I would've been — because I know exactly what the tank's going through. For instance, when a paladin's tanking I actually wait to see that Flash of Light has landed before I go ape-shit with backstab. In other words, I actually pay attention to messages and group mechanics. Novel idea, eh?

The OP mentioned a tank pulling "occasionally", but I was always expected to pull since joining P99. And that's fine, I kinda like it. But I'll say this, I cannot believe how many people on P99 simply cannot sit still for one moment. If there aren't sparkles and battle spam they start going emo/schizophrenic. It's not just impatience but also ignorance, for it never seems to dawn on people that chaotic chain-pulling is not a guarantee that XP rate will increase. In fact, unless the group is just the right mixture and they're working together beautifully, it'll often have the opposite result. Think about it... if you're pulling DPS off the mob to chain-pull, the current mob dies later, the tank takes more damage, the healer's mana drains faster, and the tank will need to work harder to engulf aggro. And for what? A .04% increase in XP rate, if that? And all that's negated when the healer finally screams for a med break. Oh, the irony of impatience resulting in slower XP.

As much as I bashed SoE in the past, the original devs knew what they were doing. The dynamics of a group are very well designed and implemented, it's up to the players to not be impatient jackasses and actually let the well-oiled machine function as intended. If DPS classes would learn that pulling aggro isn't an accomplishment on their part (it's not hard) and would actually let the tank be the healer's sole target, they'd see that everything, including XP rate, goes so much more smoothly.

[jilena]

Is this another QQ let me hold aggro I'm a warrior thread?

[frefaln]

^ Exhibit A.

[hueylewis187]

Just my opinion << only an opinion.

Tanks are shyt especially warriors. I have a warr, and a sk. my sk holds aggro wayyy better. So if you are yelling at people to control aggro better. Either boot them out of the group or make an sk/pal.

Pets tank better and hold aggro just fine plus don't need to be heal, can just resummon them. If a pet is taking aggro it is a good thing for xp, unless it is a mezed healing mob. But those should be killed off first anyways. Sometimes in the heat of battle it happens that a pet will already be attacking a mezed mob than the pet will not stop and will keep breaking mez's. It's impossible to send the pet on a mez'd mob. It says can not attack target master. "also must remember they are messing with the pet ai. A lot of what is happening is nothing to do with the pet owner."

The group should have some common sense. But don't get all bent when someone breaks a mez or gets aggro. It's JUST A GAME and shit happens. If it keeps happening over and over maybe give them a tip. But don't get all yelly and maddy.

You act as if a tank has more right to tell people what to do. Or that a healer has more of a right to tell the group what to do. When everyone in the group has a brain and should see what is going on. Just my opinion, but if someone keeps telling me what to do I leave the group. You are not my dad or boss. This is not a job. This is for fun. If you don't like the way I play than kick me from group don't yell at me. Most the time the tank pulls like 12 mobs than yells at everyone. Telling them Why didn't you heal? Why didn't you mez ? why did you not assist me!!! lol


Xp groups are so longgg. You shouldn't make the situation seem like work with a ton of rules. Pull what you can handle or less. Than just burn it down for xp groups.

A Raid situation is different. "Warriors shine on the hardest hitting mobs with their slightly higher ac and berserker buff. They just can't hold aggro off the first complete heal a lot of the time" Time for the runes... But still not good to be bossy allllll the time. Unless the same dude keeps wiping out over and over.

Sorry for ranting but it just seems to me like some classes have power trips in groups. I don't group for this very reason. I don't want others to tell me how to play the game. I am open for advice on strategies but don't tell me what to do please. Unless I wipe the group twice or more.

Enjoy the Weekend! Kick ass in game and try to relax and just have fun. At least right now you can get a rez for 7 days. Soon it will be 2 hours and people are gonna be real upset when they die... Plust Rez prices will go up!

Lol I suck ass there I said it , back to the discussion and sorry for my incoherent ramblings.

[jilena]

Well I'm just curious. Is this a thread started by a warrior where people aren't listening to him QQing about everyone else in the group having to sit around with their thumbs up their asses so he can feel like he has aggro? Or is this an SK who legitimately has some chance to pull and hold aggro in a decent exp making group that is just having a really bad experience?!?

[frefaln]

Just my opinion, but if someone keeps telling me what to do I leave the group. You are not my dad or boss. This is not a job. This is for fun.

Yeah, I don't put up with arrogant/bossy players either and tone is key. But let's look at the above quote. You're right. This isn't a job, so there's no reason to 1) go crazy when the XP bar isn't moving at quite the rate you want, or 2) make the game feel like a job for the tank.

If the game/class mechanics are actually respected by everyone in the group, things go very smoothly for everyone a majority of the time. It's only when someone gets impatient and/or feels they need to prove they're contributing that tempers flare and things break down.

But to your credit, you bring up an interesting point. Perhaps it's just inevitable that, for some players, chaos IS fun and making the XP bar move as quickly as possible is the end-all game. And you know what? That's fine for them. That's not my definition of fun, and I prefer a social group that can enjoy each other's company while grinding at a reasonable rate. Nobody's wrong in their definition of fun, I guess the trick is finding those people who share your particular philosophy.

[Dantes]

I don't boss people around, I just get annoyed when people are obviously not paying attention... or when they boss ME around by complaining about the rate I'm pulling. I haven't seen the insides of some of these dungeons for 8 years, never hurts to be careful. I'd rather be cautious than dead.

[jilena]

Pull faster nubs.

[Dantes]

INCOMING!!! a your mom

[Calamitous Oeuvre]

OP: Tuvasa.....fromt the CT group a couple days ago....is that you!

[Ripcord]

This game has an enclopedia of rules and mechanics. If everyone knew everything, this post would be pointless - but that's just not the case. The difficulty curve is steeper then mt everest. My point is you have to feel people out for a while before barking orders in an attempt to better the group, and by the same token you have to have a level of forgiveness towards those that would benefit from your aedvice, willingly or not. Everyone has an ego and it seems really easy to bruise in the first 5 min of a group of randoms. Let it ride for a half dozen pulls and then subltely add sugustions. Its such a complex and interesting dynamic that this community of old eq nerds has developed in to, embrace it, because before you know it a car will pull up with dice in the mirror and at first I thought yo this cab was rare but naa forget it yo holmes to bel-air!

[frefaln]

^ That was the funniest self-derailment I've read in a while. I won't admit exactly how many episodes of FP I watched on Nick @ Nite, but it was more than a couple.

[Ripcord]

Omg ur young

[frefaln]

Nick @ Nite man, that's a whole different ballgame than Nickelodeon! (sort of)

And I'm ancient by P99 standards... when I watch most of the shows on Nick @ Nite (Roseanne, Cosby, etc.), I remember seeing a lot of those eps when they originally aired. Okay, now I'm depressed.

[Leokaiser]

I remember my first berating on Live. It took me days to solo my Paladin to level 6 or so - my first character on my first MMO... soon to join my first group.

"Oh wow, a camp full of Orcs, and the 'consider' thing says they'll kill me easily" I think to myself as I settle in with my group at Orc1; srs bznz! So, I'm killing stuff with my new friends and everything is going great and... oh no! The big green killing machine is attacking me! I'm wearing cloth and I'm not even aware of the concept of a 'tank' at this point - all I know is that I'm dying fast.

So, I can a) take it in the face and fall down like a Italian football player or b) do the only thing that seems reasonable to keep myself alive... run around in a circle until someone saves my ass. Obviously, my choice of option 'b' places me in the 'newb' category.

Now the group's tank is faced with an option. Does he a) realise that I'm new to the game and politely inform me that running won't stop me taking damage, and if I stand still it makes it easier for him to taunt the mob, or b) turn on caps lock and say "NEVER RUN AROUND WHEN IM TRYING TO TAUNT THE FUKCING MOB YOU FUCKING NOOB!"?

If you are that tank, which answer to you think would place you in the 'fucktastic douchebag' category?

Thankfully, another player in the group sent me a tell explaining my error with slightly more palatable language. I would have become a better player either way, but I left that camp, my first group, with one player on my friends list and one on my ignore list.

Tone is everything.

[Thorjorkill]

Nice post OP, and as someone who tanked for years on Live I'm always encouraged to see people understanding/sharing the basic mechanics of an EQ group. And you are spot on.

I joined P99 a few weeks ago and was about 18 levels into a paladin, and I was quickly reminded of why I got burnt out on tanking on Live back in the day. Simply put, there is an engregious amount of ignorance, impatience, and immaturity out there. If you want to be a truly successful tank on P99 you're going to have to 1) simply accept the chaos that goes on around you, or 2) be an outspoken instruction-giver and risk getting a rep for being "bossy". Either way, you not only have to deal with your weighted workload but you often have to work against your own group members. You're screwed two different ways.

Since I don't have the energy for 50+ levels of that nonsense, I scrapped the pally and rolled a rogue. As luck would have it, my tanking experience has already made me a much better rogue than I would've been — because I know exactly what the tank's going through. For instance, when a paladin's tanking I actually wait to see that Flash of Light has landed before I go ape-shit with backstab. In other words, I actually pay attention to messages and group mechanics. Novel idea, eh?

The OP mentioned a tank pulling "occasionally", but I was always expected to pull since joining P99. And that's fine, I kinda like it. But I'll say this, I cannot believe how many people on P99 simply cannot sit still for one moment. If there aren't sparkles and battle spam they start going emo/schizophrenic. It's not just impatience but also ignorance, for it never seems to dawn on people that chaotic chain-pulling is not a guarantee that XP rate will increase. In fact, unless the group is just the right mixture and they're working together beautifully, it'll often have the opposite result. Think about it... if you're pulling DPS off the mob to chain-pull, the current mob dies later, the tank takes more damage, the healer's mana drains faster, and the tank will need to work harder to engulf aggro. And for what? A .04% increase in XP rate, if that? And all that's negated when the healer finally screams for a med break. Oh, the irony of impatience resulting in slower XP.

As much as I bashed SoE in the past, the original devs knew what they were doing. The dynamics of a group are very well designed and implemented, it's up to the players to not be impatient jackasses and actually let the well-oiled machine function as intended. If DPS classes would learn that pulling aggro isn't an accomplishment on their part (it's not hard) and would actually let the tank be the healer's sole target, they'd see that everything, including XP rate, goes so much more smoothly.

Chaotic chain pulling levels 9 thru 30 is what turns a tanking class into a TANK. There is no better way to seperate the men from the boys, and make someone truly ready to start tanking CT/MM/GUK. I want a tank to be able to save my ass in LGUK, so when I'm chain pulling crocs on you in oasis, you have 60% health, the healer has 50% mana, and I pull another croc to you, don't whine, because if you can't handle something minor like this without pissing your pants screaming for your room mates druid to help you, then you should be playing a freegin squishy class.

People are right, no one should be powerleveling some noob plate wearer past level 19 - just makes for bad shit happening later in game.

[Thorjorkill]

Pull faster nubs.

Right On!

[Ihealyou]

I didn't read this thread, but heal better.

[Calamitous Oeuvre]

I think it is Tuvassa.....and I know who heshes butt hurt by!

[Calamitous Oeuvre]

As a Bard puller I just want all tanks to know that....that....I like to pull.

[runlvlzero]

My butt is just fine thanks. And Seriously I never do use caps lock and I don't curse until after the buffoons start to argue with me and be ass hats about what they should have learned fighting crocs.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. But there is so much nerd rage on this server that even politely reminding people of their roles and what to do when shit starts hitting the fan in a group causes people to act like their entire lives have been devalued.

Seriously the whole post is simply just a rant about how one should not act like a 3 yr old child and shut the FSCK up and play.

But ya, If someone says, k, thx I already understand this, then I won't keep on it. But when people are downright pricks to prove an invalid point, yes.

And when I can pull and tank for hrs without dieing and keep the xp flowing and then some prick has to throw a wrench in the works by arguing/being dumb... ya IMO they should just can it or leave.

A mages job is to sit there, use assist, /assist, pause 10, /pet attack and frakkin kill the mob dead at whatever % life they think won't pull agro... THATS it, its not their job to frakkin debate what targets to fight etc... same goes for everyone else.

Wanna be the hero, take charge and save the day, please PLEASE roll a tank and see what the hell I am talking about.

[Malinrol]

I have full knowledge of what this guys is saying...

Mind you, im only a 27 SK (Human one at that) so i dont know about all the hard stuff tha im about to hit. Also, it is fair to say that I am new to the game. However, i know what it is like to have a bunch of dipshits in a group.

The tanks job is simple, but dangerous as hell; Make sure the mob you are currently fighting is hitting YOU, not a healer or something. With that in mind, we constantly are getting a mudhole stomped in our face by the countless red cons we get.

Now, keep this in mind for my next point.

When a tank is getting his face pounded in by this red con, we get a pop in the camp. Chances are, we have a bard or chanter or something. But instead of mezzing said pop, everyone else decides to kill this and leave the tank to the mercy of the current mob.

Being an SK, you think "Oh, he can just lifetap and be all good." However, we dont have a very good Health sucker on us. When a necro gets Lifedraw at 16 or something crazy like that, SK's get it at 30. It doesn't help that much.

Now back to the situation...

The tank is screaming in group chat for a heal, while everyone else is being absolutely clueless and cant prioritotze and kill the priority target. So as a result? Tank dies and loses XP (Which is starting to get real brutal now) and the rest of the group is all fine and dandy...

True, there are the three big people you listen to in a group; Tank, Cleric, and Chanter/Bard. Each one has the points they say in group chat and should not be de-valued. But if that tank dies, then things will seriously start getting FUBAR and then everyone else dies.

I thank you for reading my novel.
Cheers!

[darkblade717]

I felt like this should be addressed in a public forum. I'm not going to name names but I think this community needs a heads up on what is going on in the majority of mid level groups for tanks.

A tanks job is to control the tactical combat of the group, be it through positioning, being the MA and picking targets, and occasionally pulling. They have to work with the the healer and puller to not over-pull or pull poorly. This out of the way lets get into the meat of the problem.

What is happening is an influx of very nubish ogre/troll tanks and ignorant group members who do not let the tank do their job, do not listen to the advice of a well seasoned tank that knows how to deal with different situations like fear, and caster mobs. These types are constantly harrasing people for playing tanks other then an ogre discounting them as worthless as well as their opinions.

If your going to invite a tank into a group at least listen to and try to follow what directions they give, especially when it comes to assisting mobs. Do not be a @$$hat and deliberately target other mobs with your pets then tell the tank that you were saving them or the bard/enchanter. Its not your job, your job is to kill the targets the tanks pick.

This is just basically how it is and how it has been in any successful EQ group since the dawn of time. When the newbs out there degrade and work against the tank then it causes group wipes.

So I don't care how big your EPEEN is or that you got an A in math class last summer if your tank says to do something just do it.

By no means is it easy to play a tank and they have much more stake in the success of a group because they rely on you not to get them killed in order to accomplish anything at all.

If you don't want to listen to your friendly tank, go and solo, and don't ever think of joining a group or being considered a decent player ever.

Remember that when the server is dieing and its hard as hell to find a tank. You can't rely on your guilds uber twinked tanks forever. You are loosing allot of good tanks to other classes and games because of this kind of ignorance. Eventually you will get to a point were ignorance is not going to cut it and no matter how well geared anyone in the group is they wont be able to save you constantly from your own stupid mistakes, nor will they wish to continue spending the time.

I would just like to add this small edit and say that what a tank brings to your group in knowledge far out ways any stats they may have incidentally accumulated over the course of a few hrs or days online.

Thanks, your friendly tank who is now playing a solo class because they are tired of all the shenanigans out there.

Sometimes the tank just sucks and can't hold aggro worth a damn so they should go play another class/quit. Sometimes they're just idiots and think 2h tanking on a warrior is a good idea with a weapon that doesn't have a proc.

[Gukag]

Malinrol, just wait untill you get to 30. Personally I've never run into a group that didn't assist the MT, or maybe just 1 guy in the group and the rest would get on his case about it, and occasionally a few pet owners not paying attention. But if that keeps happening once you are lvl 30, just feign death. They'll worry about the mob when it starts beating the crap out of the cleric. And you can get the aggro back easily with a quick taunt followed by disease cloud.

[Gukag]

Oh and another thing, this is just pure whining. If you want to play easymode and go solo with a pet class, just say so. Don't blame other people because you suck at tanking. I haven't dealt with low level groups in a while, but even in EC orc camps the majority of the group was always familiar with concepts like assist and aggro and CC for adds.

[Abacabb]

My butt is just fine thanks. And Seriously I never do use caps lock and I don't curse until after the buffoons start to argue with me and be ass hats about what they should have learned fighting crocs.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. But there is so much nerd rage on this server that even politely reminding people of their roles and what to do when shit starts hitting the fan in a group causes people to act like their entire lives have been devalued.

Seriously the whole post is simply just a rant about how one should not act like a 3 yr old child and shut the FSCK up and play.

But ya, If someone says, k, thx I already understand this, then I won't keep on it. But when people are downright pricks to prove an invalid point, yes.

And when I can pull and tank for hrs without dieing and keep the xp flowing and then some prick has to throw a wrench in the works by arguing/being dumb... ya IMO they should just can it or leave.

A mages job is to sit there, use assist, /assist, pause 10, /pet attack and frakkin kill the mob dead at whatever % life they think won't pull agro... THATS it, its not their job to frakkin debate what targets to fight etc... same goes for everyone else.

Wanna be the hero, take charge and save the day, please PLEASE roll a tank and see what the hell I am talking about.

http://memegenerator.net/lltank/ImageMacro/1459905/lltank-Listen-guys-Im-a-tank-I-know-what-Im-talking-about.jpg

[Lucrio40]

I've had very little problem tanking in groups so far, granted I'm only level 13 on my paladin.

I do somewhat agree with the OP, You would think after 10 years people wouldn't need to be told this.

[Mady]

I'm a barb warrior in early teens. I don't get antsy about it.

Everyone knows taunt sucks and doesn't work on mobs of a higher con.

I have no procing weapons.

I just do what I can. Hit with an arrow on incoming. Stay in the mobs face. Try to position the mob so its back is to pets and rogues. Hit taunt when I loose aggro.

There isn't a whole hell of a lot more that I can do other than try to get aggro back as fast as I can after loosing it.

It's difficult to do more than the mechanics of the game will allow you.

[darkblade717]

My butt is just fine thanks. And Seriously I never do use caps lock and I don't curse until after the buffoons start to argue with me and be ass hats about what they should have learned fighting crocs.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. But there is so much nerd rage on this server that even politely reminding people of their roles and what to do when shit starts hitting the fan in a group causes people to act like their entire lives have been devalued.

Seriously the whole post is simply just a rant about how one should not act like a 3 yr old child and shut the FSCK up and play.

But ya, If someone says, k, thx I already understand this, then I won't keep on it. But when people are downright pricks to prove an invalid point, yes.

And when I can pull and tank for hrs without dieing and keep the xp flowing and then some prick has to throw a wrench in the works by arguing/being dumb... ya IMO they should just can it or leave.

A mages job is to sit there, use assist, /assist, pause 10, /pet attack and frakkin kill the mob dead at whatever % life they think won't pull agro... THATS it, its not their job to frakkin debate what targets to fight etc... same goes for everyone else.

Wanna be the hero, take charge and save the day, please PLEASE roll a tank and see what the hell I am talking about.

You're afraid to swear on a R&F forum...that right there is enough to show you're bad. It's /pause 1, just to compensate for the target switch time, and if a Mage pet is attacking the wrong target, if the Mage knows what they're doing, it's the tanks fault for not saying he is switching targets.

[frefaln]

You're afraid to swear on a R&F forum...that right there is enough to show you're bad.

That's some solid logic right there.

[azeth]

That's some solid logic right there.


i thought the same thing. Actually even went back to reread the previous posts to see if they could make sense of that comment..

nope~

[darkblade717]

That's some solid logic right there.

In my 10+ years of MMO playing it's been a pretty standard issue that people who try too hard to 'play nice', not curse, etc usually suck. Family style guilds where everyone is all goody goody nice nice are usually full of trash players, whereas every endgame guild I've ever been in or interacted with had some pretty awful language that on occasion even made me pause for a second, but at least they knew their shit.

[Stickyfingers]

Get a monk. Single pull everything, then keep chain pulling. In my late 20's early 30's I was still able to main heal on my Druid, because of the puller.

[nicemace]

hah you tanks have it easy, try playing a enchanter... you have to deal with retarded dps and retarded tanks and retarded pullers and retarded healers.

the general population is all of the above. hence why i solo :D

its no different than live, the general population was retarded too.

[vinx]

not everyone needs to come straight out and tell you to stfu and listen.
i do pretty good at getting my points across and commanding in /g and /gu without swearing to get the job done.
im in constant tells to my healer, and when needed my puller/mezzer and raid leaders, everyone else just do your jobs and converse or w/e it is you wanna do.
btw i did use a 2h thru level 50 and tanked phinny quite well with it my first attempt before i ever got yaks so fuck off! hahah

[Zyvixious]

Hell you have made alot of great points here and for those who dont know especially those enchanters who "know what theyre doing" and get themselves killed its all based on teamwork really but the huge issues is ignorant pet classes mainly mages and rogue who are too retarded to use assist keys and get their groups a harder fight for xp. Now about tanking as a whole its not too drastically hard and for those who arent so sure about what to do just take a quick look at what monsters you are fighting... casters pose the most threat to your groups and who ever can stun should spam those type of spells even if you are the healer, you will save more mana and time keeping those casters locked than just dps'ing it down, otherwise like i said before the problem with tankin is idiots who are too lazy to assist and thats all i ahve to say on that for now

[darkblade717]

hah you tanks have it easy, try playing a enchanter... you have to deal with retarded dps and retarded tanks and retarded pullers and retarded healers.

the general population is all of the above. hence why i solo :D

its no different than live, the general population was retarded too.

Stupid tanks who don't know how to either -A) Get aggro on a mob prior to breaking mez B) Make sure someone rooted the mob so it doesn't rape the Enchanter- are causing a lot of Enchanters to do the same thing. They don't realize mez is SERIOUS aggro, and even more so if the Enchanter is also slowing.

[vinx]

true dark, maybe the quality of chanters has dropped tho, my chanters usually had them things spinning before i got my 2nd taunt off.
props to yiam / glitch and a few quality others :)

[darkblade717]

true dark, maybe the quality of chanters has dropped tho, my chanters usually had them things spinning before i got my 2nd taunt off.
props to yiam / glitch and a few quality others :)

So far, on this server, I have yet to group with an Enchanter that was either well played or really necessary for anything other than keeping Clarity on the healer. On live we had a few rockstar Enchanters, but then again Brell was probably one of the more competent servers compared to others.

[zs3000]

So far, on this server, I have yet to group with an Enchanter that was either well played or really necessary for anything other than keeping Clarity on the healer. On live we had a few rockstar Enchanters, but then again Brell was probably one of the more competent servers compared to others.

On Aro, I never grouped with an enchanter that didn't just blow me away with how active they were, keeping haste/crack up, keeping CC going on anything not being hit, mezzing things to stop casts from going off on healers. I miss those days.

Just thought I'd say that, even though it has nothing to do with the topic! Anyway, I'm working up a tank, please be nice to me :(.

[jilena]

Offering blow jobs for anyone who gets Saldor or Veneficus from the Nameless to come mez things for me (LOOKING AT YOU NIZZ).

Thanks.

Also, pull faster nubs.

Thanks again.