GOT DESMO?

[Fistn101]

Listen you know who's about to be missin? not Desmo, but he got caught by Fistn. Catch you poofin a tthe roof of the church, but sucking ppl off to get unbanned never matterd much....




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K_YArIVqTM

[Versus]

English motherfucker, do you speak it?

[Fistn101]

dont need too MORON the video speaks it for me

[Fistn101]

how does it feel to know that you are a part of a guild for 2 years+ and they can't compete without constantly exploiting to a brand new guild? yes directed at divinity!!!

[Kevynne]

Hey xerexes
Am I still in tmo and don't know abt it?

[Fistn101]

There comes a time in a young mans life where taking cum shots to the face to get pixels back just isn't right. I mean all a young man has is his pride and his dignity, and Desmo threw that right out the window. Well keep on fighting the good fight TMO you now have one of your longest standing members taking cum shots for guild PR, when will the madness end!!!

[Servellious]

Your banned mother fucker your banned. Funny literally earlier in the day I was saying desmo is an alright dude he chp's people in kc an is helpful then he intentionally tries to train our guild and uses a known exploit. Bid daddy fistn on the hunt don't let my boy Cath you slippin or he will get yo ass banned.

Fistn +20 dkp IMO

[Fistn101]

Tries training your guild? and he poofs right on lily? are you blind kiddo??!

[Fistn101]

nul that last post^^ i have downs.. yes kag ima boss

[Servellious]

Fistn got that blood lust don't be slippin my boy fired up

[Tiggles]

Shouldent you scrubs in FE be used to this yet?

Go back to begging for DKP for mallet recharges.

[Fistn101]

Oh they are only making it worse for themselves kag..they dont know who they are fucking with yet...always planning in this mind

[Fistn101]

hey tiggles you ever have a man make you giggles while he tickles you where it jiggles?

[quido]

fistn your hiero cloak has cooties and nobody gonna buy it

[Fistn101]

dude i febreezed it today....does that not help?

[quido]

now it has fresh-smelling cooties

[Fistn101]

dammit!!! how do you cure the cooties... cum shots?

[quido]

TMO selling Cootie Remover MQs - 300k - hit up Eccezan

[Fistn101]

He would be the head of that MQ..jesus christ how am i ever gunna cure it with that MQ if i end up getting my heiro sauced with Eccezan cooties... cooties < Eccezan cooties

[Godefroi]

Desmo was pretty chill, too bad he was a cheater, enjoy your perma bann TMO bitch ;)

[Fistn101]

No desmo got unbanned because he blows dudes...apparently thats the remedy to bans is liking mouthfuls of...well you know the rest

[quido]

prove it

[Fistn101]

well i cant prove he blows dudes obviously..its just a womans intuition if you will...but i proved the poof and theres only 1 way back from a perma ban... thats called deducing the obvious and getting the conclusion. therefore i get as close as i can to a fact without exactly ever knowing if its true, but claim its true because what i say makes me elmo, and you are not a smurf, but in fact the lolipop man

[Fistn101]

Oh it was announced to both guild leaders it was a perma ban and POOF he came back as fast as his first poof

[Ele]

Should know by now there are no perma bans on this server. Don't have to look past your own members to figure that out.

[Fistn101]

how many licks does it take to get to the center of it?

[Godefroi]

oh wow he is unbanned ? He knows rogean Irl or something ?

[Fistn101]

WHOA WHOA Godefroi thats a bold claim!! noone is excusing ANYBODY of Gm relations, just sexual

[chief]

loooks like he /q 'd to me, more than what daliant on the ledge has been doing for the past week. Dont worry he always somehow survives the racnars gettign trained on him. Also tell merkk and manguagdi about the pathing exploit they have been using. Must be nice keeping mobs at the zone in without taking the ae's. the young white knighters

[Fistn101]

dot dot dot

[Tanthallas]

lol chief you really are clueless arent you.

1. Daliant survives because I play him and you all pretty much suck.

2. If hoovering over the lava to fuck with pathing in VP is considered an exploit, your whole guild is banned 10 times over.

[Fistn101]

lets say he did /q..yet he still trained lilyanna (yet you dont say shit about that) and most ppl get 7 day suspension for training...3 days for desmo DOT DOT DOT

[Fistn101]

3. the last time someone /qd with mobs on them they died! oh and you dont see invulerable on the chat screen hence no DA hence he logged while getting attacked...pfffft DADDY OVER!!

[Tanthallas]

/qing is a necessary, but not sufficient, part of poofing.

/qing is a necessary and sufficient part of TMO getting CT.

[Fistn101]

Red daddy to blue squirrel blue squirrel are you there pffft? #4 send your videos!!! you claim you are elmo, but i don't see you when i visit sesame street? pfffft Red daddy out

[Fistn101]

CHIEF ARE YOU SLOW DAMMIT YOU ARE BLUE SQUIRREL... are you dictionary.coming how to spell the again?

[chief]

I dont even know why I talk to you guys, you guys dont know anything about game mechanics. All you have is saying TMO did it before that, but when the hell has tmo ever trained mobs to ent and blatantly exploited pathing over the lava to grief another guild? oh yeah thats right never, because we kill the merbs. Im assuming both you pukes are apart of the fe train who get whipped all the time, tell sloan he can only plays 4 characters at a time before sirken catches on.

[Tanthallas]

How about Zeelot and Darkdeath for hours and hours?

[chief]

btw has szeth dinged 57 yet? :)

[Fistn101]

merbs, there ya go again trying to spell on your own...does it hurt?

[Tanthallas]

Running around the lava at entrance is the most commonly used entrance training tactic in VP. Period.

If it is against the rules, let us know so we can both stop. Until then, stop making shit up. Daliant does not even have an account exemption dumbshit.

[Fistn101]

ya know your forums title suits you well...you have the brain of a kobold, not smart not dumb just perfectly clueless (and ugly).

[Tanthallas]

btw has szeth dinged 57 yet? :)

I was exping in HS with Zeelot bro!

[chief]

merbs, there ya go again trying to spell on your own...does it hurt?

seriously lawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwl. tantellles who are u in game?im assuming either merrk, maguadi or xerxes one of the terrible training crews in fe, when have we exploited pathing on the lava? never becuase fe has never faught a mob at the zone in. Keep making up fables bro

[Fistn101]

can you be punished in RnF for being T^H^I^S dumb, or is this what we got to work with in RnF?

[chief]

fist you have a vp key yet bro? maybe after sloans 70 alts get keyed you can get one

[Godefroi]

how many hours have you guys killed chief to make him sound this butthurt lol?

desmo got banned by Sirken due to being caught exploiting, I wonder who unbanned him ? did he threaten the staff he would commit suicide ?

[Clark]

this thread delivers

[Fistn101]

chief yesh i do have a Trakanon's tooth and no i don't have a key cause i choose to be lazy and not quest....the real question at hand is do you choose to poof as a guild and exploit in any way possible to win raid mobs (cough macroquest) or do your leaders force it upon you? *little voice says "choose the latter CHOOSE THE DAMN LATTER"*

[finalgrunt]

So what did happen exactly? Somebody care to sum up pls?

- Desmo from TMO trains and poofs in Fear?
- Somebody else was playing Desmo?
- Desmo is banned?
- Desmo is unbanned few day laters?

Aer these the facts or did I miss anything?

[chief]

how many hours have you guys killed chief to make him sound this butthurt lol?

desmo got banned by Sirken due to being caught exploiting, I wonder who unbanned him ? did he threaten the staff he would commit suicide ?

no one in fe has griefed me in vp, so whats the deal with all the RMT accounts being unban?

[Fistn101]

final watch the video link

[chief]

I was exping in HS with Zeelot bro!

lawl you bad, atleast when xerxes trains i know more than 4 mobs might come to zone in

[Fistn101]

^^^ seriously still this kid?

[chief]

]chief yesh i do have a Trakanon's tooth and no i don't have a key cause i choose to be lazy and not quest[/COLOR]....the real question at hand is do you choose to poof as a guild and exploit in any way possible to win raid mobs (cough macroquest) or do your leaders force it upon you? *little voice says "choose the latter CHOOSE THE DAMN LATTER"*

cool man you wont know what im talking about. I havent figured out how you can be to lazy to finish something in a video game, its not liek you have to exert yourself to achieve it.

[chief]

keep the petitions rolling in daily with sussys, im sure the p99 staff loves the daily non sense you bring them.

[Fistn101]

^^^still sending the cats to RnF whos gunna let the dogs out? i got an idea lets get zack galifinacis in here, that would be good!!!

[Fistn101]

does anyone remember that one mmo that you can have multiple accounts on? i cant remember the name of it but im sure ill think of it soon. idk why i cant get my vp key blue squirrel, but one day i may come to fruition and complete my objective of finding the holy land, until then ill stick to killing kobolds in solb

[Tanthallas]

keep the petitions rolling in daily with sussys, im sure the p99 staff loves the daily non sense you bring them.

Yes, of course. Any petition against TMO is nonsense, quite irrelevant if Sirken himself sends a global message that what we are petitioning in this instance is a banable offense. Quite irrelevant that Desmo, after training us and poofing, came back in to res your raid so you could engage CT faster.

I have not petitioned TMOs poping mobs through walls in VP to train and pull yet, and I dont plan to. Iquite a few FRAPs of these, however as far as VP goes I will just use every single bullshit tactic that TMO does against them. What is it now - 2x Hoshkar through wall to train FE while they are trying to engage dragons, 10x + Nexona flying over the world to train FE while they are buffing, 2x PD to ninja pull him to the zone in through the wall from his lair to melt him with 50 people before any train can get there. You are aware of this, right Chief? Of course you are. But how in the world would TMO know where the mob will path! Just pure luck they repeat it over and over and over again...

Spare us the bullshit. You are the definition of a tool. You know it, and now everyone else does.

[Harrison Remembers]

TMO cheating and not getting banned for it?! No way. Surely this has never happened, ever, anywhere?!

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=68664

Oh...it has, for years.

[quido]

lol Harrison confirmed added to FE's forumquest batphone

[Servellious]

Cheaters gonna cheat. When fe stomps these game genie scrubs it will make the tears that much more delicious.

[Fistn101]

WOW and how did 8 wurms get on top of that ledge? this is madness!! to kill a mockinbird huh? challenge accepted!!

[Fistn101]

what i find more interesting is every time someone proves TMO is exploiting knowing they are exploiting and showing more and more and more proof, they just switch the topic...then try to say something witty, and sound like cats. where are all the dogs?

[Servellious]

Waiting for the spin on this one. Chiefs attempt at spin failed miserably

[Fistn101]

incase blue squirrel is not understanding the cat dog blue squirrel thing i shall explain for him (BS is you cheif you arent a cat or a dog you are irrelevant in this equation) you are a useless nut hiding, nut gathering bottom feeder, hibernating tool. the cats are the sneaky people who sneak around acting glorified when they shit on the carpet and miss the kitty litter, and the dogs are the loyal well mannered beings. who will you be?

[Servellious]

Fistn you the only dog around here bro.

[Fistn101]

i try to be man, hey maybe one day cats will get trained, i mean a dog is easy to train but a cat is difficult they are selfish loner creatures and cant fathom ideologies like honestly loyalty and pride. cant teach an old cat new tricks Baha

[quido]

Fistn you will train cats, but will you actually bring a force to kill the mob they were going for?

[Fistn101]

ahhh a dog appears, or should a say a twister...ye ol tornado u, u know what i meant silly

[Hackscendence]

cheat to win Tmo's moto

Damn, relapsee9? you getting forumbanquest powerlevelled relapse?

I really liked VP initially when TMO thought we wouldn't have a chance regardless of what they did. You trained, then we trained worse, you got the dragons, but everyone had pretty clean whistles.

Since druushk it seems like it's just become this meta-game of pushing exploits to the absolute limit. Mobs being pulled through walls, trainers rezzing up and buffing outside of the zone geometry in un-trainable areas, illusion-spamming through locked doors, players insta-poofing out of zone (Lets not kid ourselves, guys, if the cleric didn't have DA up, they can't /q and expect to survive. It doesn't happen). When hard evidence is handed over, either nothing is done or it's deemed acceptable by GM's.

In my experience, FE has only used tactics we've watched TMO use repeatedly, and once we're given the word to stop, we stop. TMO, on the other hand, actively seeks these exploits out, then continues to use them even after rulings against them.

I want to play the game where 'skill' was about knowing the encounter and running it as efficiently as possible. That's a pretty fun game. Even the train/countertrain stuff is pretty fun. Finding exploitable dynamics and then using them until they're made illegal isn't fun.

Now someone forgets he's not in VP, pulls the one stunt that's been deemed permanently bannable (I don't remember any talk of a 'first warning' in the system-wide message), and he's back swinging his water sprinkler in 3 days? Fuck the lack of consistency up in here.

TMO has pushed the envelope on this type of exploiting time and time again. Their core is rotten, and permanent bans are the only thing that will force some sanity back into these morans.

[Tasslehofp99]

This is scandalous shit, bros.

[Godefroi]

This is scandalous shit, bros.

usual TMO cheat business

[Fazlazen]

Looks to me like Desmo got CoTHed away.

FE still butthurt about that thursday night in VP?

[Tiggles]

Sloan why did your guild not attempt anything in VP?

Sloan how did you get Szeth unbanned when you bought him with RL money?

Sloan how do you earn enough platinum to buy 10+ VP geared alts?

Sloan why do you have to bribe your guild with dkp just to recharge mallets?

[Ele]

Yes, of course. Any petition against TMO is nonsense

http://i.imgur.com/RhLOR0g.gif

[Ele]

Ever think that coming to RNF and spamming this stuff might actually hurt your case?

From the RNF sticky:
Lets get one thing straight folks. We don't answer to you.

There has been a lot of petitions lately, a lot of posts on the forums, with everyone trying to critique GM Decisions. The developers of this project put way too much time into this for us to be put on the spotlight every single time we make a decision, ESPECIALLY when you ASSUME you know all the facts. 90% of the time, you don't. Situations are handled between the staff and the players directly involved.

[Kingore]

tl;dr - FE does not understand basic game mechanics so calls TMO cheaters.

[Godefroi]

Looks to me like Desmo got CoTHed away.

FE still butthurt about that thursday night in VP?

Pulling 60 inside VP and getting a char unbanned after getting caught exploiting isnt related sorry faglazen.

Also re hashing the szeth story when obviously perma bans last 6 months top still doesnt explain us how Quickfingers isnt banned for getting an epic from a GM

since you crave for attention fat joe, you got it fat ass

[Tiggles]

Pulling 60 inside VP and getting a char unbanned after getting caught exploiting isnt related sorry faglazen.

Also re hashing the szeth story when obviously perma bans last 6 months top still doesnt explain us how Quickfingers isnt banned for getting an epic from a GM

since you crave for attention fat joe, you got it fat ass

Never got my epic from a GM it was just a long troll your dumb ass is still falling for.

[Nerosys]

I dont even know why I talk to you guys, you guys dont know anything about game mechanics. All you have is saying TMO did it before that, but when the hell has tmo ever trained mobs to ent and blatantly exploited pathing over the lava to grief another guild? oh yeah thats right never, because we kill the merbs. Im assuming both you pukes are apart of the fe train who get whipped all the time, tell sloan he can only plays 4 characters at a time before sirken catches on.


You know what i find funny, every time we come with proof ya'll try to spin shit with no evidence this is twice now and 2 different characters, if we are so blatantly exploiting where is it ? Keep talkin shit like you're gonna lock down VP forever we will see.

[maverixdamighty]

tl;dr - FE does not understand basic game mechanics so calls TMO cheaters.

so someone is going to log in desmo then?

[Halfelfbard]

IF i was ever to get banned i'd whip out the credit card and donate 200 bucks. $ talks.

[Nizzler]

^ Boss status.

[lilyanna]

Looks to me like Desmo got CoTHed away.

If you watch the video you will see LD comes up next to Desmo's name. Furthermore when you are COH'd you do not then login to exactly the same place unless a mage is actually standing on the same spot at the time, which that video also shows is not the case :)

[Mortiiss]

If you watch the video you will see LD comes up next to Desmo's name. Furthermore when you are COH'd you do not then login to exactly the same place unless a mage is actually standing on the same spot at the time, which that video also shows is not the case :)

Expoossseeedd.

Next excuse, guys?

[Fazlazen]

If you watch the video you will see LD comes up next to Desmo's name. Furthermore when you are COH'd you do not then login to exactly the same place unless a mage is actually standing on the same spot at the time, which that video also shows is not the case :)

He got hit so hard he went LD. Proof of him logging back in the same spot?

[Fistn101]

Tiggles when will you learn
Tiggles you are touched by your father?
Tiggles i have been awake for 39 hours now at king camp
Tiggles ^^does this make any sense?
Tiggles I'm sloans roomate
Tiggles we dont sleep
Tiggles L2EQ
Tiggles i really hate your name
Tiggles it must be because i can sense ur father touches you
Tiggles why are you typing in this fashion with purely speculative questions with implied speculative meanings
Tiggles how do you not hang yourself after what you been through?
Tiggles you are dead inside

[Daldolma]

server awaits justice, tmo awaits new flavor of cheeto

[Fistn101]

Desmo got CoTH'd (proof given couldnt be CoTH'd) oh shit did i say CoTH'd i meant he got LD from a hit (wait is that possible) no he uhmmm kicked his dog into a router (shit does he have a dog?) wiat umm he spilt cocacola on his modem (shit isnt he diabetic?) wait i mean uh uh uh uh uh uh <------this is what happens when you run out of retard and get so dumb you cant say anything else about what you are doing. I just painted a picture of TMOs future...I'm a fortune teller, wait or am I elmo?

[Mortiiss]

server awaits justice, tmo awaits new flavor of cheeto

I lol'd.

[kotton05]

tl;dr - FE does not understand basic game mechanics so calls TMO cheaters.

what BASIC mechanic is being missed?.....

[maverixdamighty]

what BASIC mechanic is being missed?.....

6 month ban mechanic?

[Byrjun]

I tried reading this thread but I just got a headache.

[lilyanna]

He got hit so hard he went LD. Proof of him logging back in the same spot?

How convenient. Keep making up those excuses :)

Oh so now you are saying you were wrong, he wasn't COH'd? Make your mind up!

[Fistn101]

#<3lilyanna

[Servellious]

Sloan how does your guild beat us with out a cheating and using a game genie

Sloan how did you get laid in RL

Sloan teach me how to make pp in eq

Sloan why are you such a mean daddy to me?

[47shadesofgay]

This Fistn character sounds like a mumbling retard.

How is this Desmo individual not banned for something that Sirken said was a ban-able offense?

[Fistn101]

i dont think you quite grasp this concept^^^ im the one who frapsd desmo rofl

[Susano]

Every time TMO gets caught abusing exploits they tell us all we just don't understand simple game mechanics. Unfortunately, TMO doesn't seem to understand that just because you know how to exploit doesn't make it ok to exploit.

However, considering recent developments in the cases of Aiaus and Desmo, I'm not impressed with how the staff is handling cheaters. Hopefully these offenses will be taken more seriously in the future due to the effect they are having on the overall well being of the server.

[47shadesofgay]

What the fuck are you talking about? I'm aware of that, my question is why is he not banned, or rather, why was he unbanned if you were able to prove that he was /q'ing while training and Sirken said that this was a ban-able offense?

[Mortiiss]

This Fistn character sounds like a mumbling retard.

How is this Desmo individual not banned for something that Sirken said was a ban-able offense?

Maybe Sirken hasn't seen or heard about it yet.

[47shadesofgay]

My previous post was not directed at you, Susano. Just for clarification. :)

[47shadesofgay]

Maybe Sirken hasn't seen or heard about it yet.

People were mentioning that he was banned for it, but that he has since been unbanned? IDK, trying to make sense of this thread, lol.

[Fistn101]

Sirken watched the video and gave the ban out..and 47shades----that is the million dollar question

[Susano]

Looks to me like Desmo got CoTHed away.

If that were the case, which is isn't, a raid suspension would be appropriate due to a collaborative effort to grief a guild during a raid encounter outside of VP.

[47shadesofgay]

no one in fe has griefed me in vp, so whats the deal with all the RMT accounts being unban?

We've been over this countless times. Basically, after a certain period of time (6mos seems to be the norm) accounts are essentially forgiven.

[oswald]

This thread is funny to me because I reported Desmo for doing this in my Crypt group months ago. Rogean responded within like 5 minutes of me entering the petition only to let me know that there was nothing he could do about it.

[Servellious]

Don't forget the other guy in video running aacoross our raid attempting to train. What a bunch of sore losers

[Fistn101]

^^where is the like button?

[Servellious]

Ct 7 day spawn. Ban 3 days. I smell a new "strategy"

[Rellapse10]

ya i would wanna delete what i say 2 b/c it is the truth

[Godefroi]

So who unbanned this cheating TMO mother fucker ?

[Aviann]

So who unbanned this cheating TMO mother fucker ?

[Rellapse10]

seems the GM's more worried about banning my 10th forum account than worrying about the cheating,exploiting, Rmting fucks that is ruining the server for all the normal people trying to just relive some classic EQ

[Mortiiss]

Ct 7 day spawn. Ban 3 days. I smell a new "strategy"

So who unbanned this cheating TMO mother fucker ?

[AenarieFenninRo]

Instapoof = ban (per Sirken's ruling, and I agree)
Instapoof = gone immediately (i'm sure we can all agree with the definition of instapoof here as evidence already provided previously which caused Sirken ruling?)

Comments from FE people in thread : Desmo had LD above his head (and I agree, I see it in the fraps)

1) Desmo is clearly at the tree when at 5 seconds into the video Fistn turns around, we never saw him run there, so it stands to reason he has been there for some amount of time be it 3/10ths of a second, or 10 seconds we dont know.

2) Stands there doing nothing (when LD appeared, I cant validate because video quality is not perfect or anything)

3) Someone states at 15 seconds "You're banned" (maybe this means LD is showing now?)

4) When Fistn turns back around at 16 seconds Desmo is melee'ing the mob, which does happen when someone is LD.

5) Desmo disappears at 22 seconds*,

*not sure on this because mobs turned to area between tree and firewall, and I dont know if desmo got summoned to that spot or knocked to it, or was already gone and they're beating on someone else entirely because you cant see through the apes and fraps doesn't run long enough to show Desmo coming back in at tree or spot X

Hard to be exact with some of these times because video keeps panning around and we keep looking at back of halfling head, but I am making an effort here.

Video validates Desmo in game for a minimum of 7 seconds, but again we dont know FOR SURE when the LD appeared, it could have been there from 3 seconds before the video started, the video quality is poor, but lets assume 7 seconds based on the "You're Banned!" vent comment and that he didn't move to spot X between tree and firewall.



yes, its shorter than some LDs in game, but not an instapoof, and not unheard of for server to have a shorter than 30 second recycle on connection test. I have had a char in world for ~8 seconds before I was able to log back in without an exemption, IT DOES HAPPEN. Convenient in this case, of course, but nobody can truthfully say it NEVER happens.

was there a train, yes (even if the mobs weren't directly on top of him from the moment he was running to the tree, he was on the agro list and they charged across from Draco kill area presumably after someone higher on agro list died)

did he instapoof no... (convenient short time on LD does not mean instapoof per what we established as definition above)

is training an offense, yes... and punishable by X days suspension depending on the severity of the situation

Did Desmo get suspended for X period of time, seems so... since the comments are that he was suspended but back a few days later

Please understand I am trying to be unbiased in my statements here, and the FE folks are going to say I'm sticking up for Desmo, but I am going by the facts of what my eyes see in the video not because it is Desmo. I would do the same regardless of the character in question, be it FE, TMO, Taken, BDA, whomever. This is what I see from the evidence, if you dispute any of it, please point out my mistake and I will review further.

So now that we got that out of the way can we all be friends? :cool:

tl;dr - video shows Desmo still in game after LD, negating instapoof claim but train claim still valid. Based on comments from others, Desmo served some suspension time... and is now back.

[Ele]

Anyone else notice Merkk poofed from game at 13 seconds?

[maverixdamighty]

Instapoof = ban (per Sirken's ruling, and I agree)
Instapoof = gone immediately (i'm sure we can all agree with the definition of instapoof here as evidence already provided previously which caused Sirken ruling?)

Comments from FE people in thread : Desmo had LD above his head (and I agree, I see it in the fraps)

1) Desmo is clearly at the tree when at 5 seconds into the video Fistn turns around, we never saw him run there, so it stands to reason he has been there for some amount of time be it 3/10ths of a second, or 10 seconds we dont know.

2) Stands there doing nothing (when LD appeared, I cant validate because video quality is not perfect or anything)

3) Someone states at 15 seconds "You're banned" (maybe this means LD is showing now?)

4) When Fistn turns back around at 16 seconds Desmo is melee'ing the mob, which does happen when someone is LD.

5) Desmo disappears at 22 seconds*,

*not sure on this because mobs turned to area between tree and firewall, and I dont know if desmo got summoned to that spot or knocked to it, or was already gone and they're beating on someone else entirely because you cant see through the apes and fraps doesn't run long enough to show Desmo coming back in at tree or spot X

Hard to be exact with some of these times because video keeps panning around and we keep looking at back of halfling head, but I am making an effort here.

Video validates Desmo in game for a minimum of 7 seconds, but again we dont know FOR SURE when the LD appeared, it could have been there from 3 seconds before the video started, the video quality is poor, but lets assume 7 seconds based on the "You're Banned!" vent comment and that he didn't move to spot X between tree and firewall.



yes, its shorter than some LDs in game, but not an instapoof, and not unheard of for server to have a shorter than 30 second recycle on connection test. I have had a char in world for ~8 seconds before I was able to log back in without an exemption, IT DOES HAPPEN. Convenient in this case, of course, but nobody can truthfully say it NEVER happens.

was there a train, yes (even if the mobs weren't directly on top of him from the moment he was running to the tree, he was on the agro list and they charged across from Draco kill area presumably after someone higher on agro list died)

did he instapoof no... (convenient short time on LD does not mean instapoof per what we established as definition above)

is training an offense, yes... and punishable by X days suspension depending on the severity of the situation

Did Desmo get suspended for X period of time, seems so... since the comments are that he was suspended but back a few days later

Please understand I am trying to be unbiased in my statements here, and the FE folks are going to say I'm sticking up for Desmo, but I am going by the facts of what my eyes see in the video not because it is Desmo. I would do the same regardless of the character in question, be it FE, TMO, Taken, BDA, whomever. This is what I see from the evidence, if you dispute any of it, please point out my mistake and I will review further.

So now that we got that out of the way can we all be friends? :cool:

tl;dr - video shows Desmo still in game after LD, negating instapoof claim but train claim still valid. Based on comments from others, Desmo served some suspension time... and is now back.

just means desmo is slower at transitioning characters than aiaus?

[SamwiseRed]

^hehe this fagboy is always lookin to defend cheating scrubs.

[SamwiseRed]

damn got ninja'd, that reply was for that dirty whistle ele

[Ele]

^hehe this fagboy is always lookin to defend cheating scrubs.

Please point out where I'm defending anyone in this thread.

[AenarieFenninRo]

Anyone else notice Merkk poofed from game at 13 seconds?

I make the same argument for Merkk here as I do for Desmo Ele, you clearly see him at 5 seconds in the video with LD above his head, and he disappears at 13 seconds... thats 8 seconds, one longer than Desmo.

Sorry to burst your bubble on that one!

[Frieza_Prexus]

Please point out where I'm defending anyone in this thread.

SamwiseRed has a history of misreading your posts: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?p=895070#post895070

[AenarieFenninRo]

just means desmo is slower at transitioning characters than aiaus?

Thats a pretty weak argument... You're better than that Mav.

By that logic and Ele's statement Merkk is even slower than Desmo at transitioning characters! :eek:

[maverixdamighty]

Thats a pretty weak argument... You're better than that Mav.

By that logic and Ele's statement Merkk is even slower than Desmo at transitioning characters! :eek:

did merkk have the train on him? i didn't go back and watch the video busy in game atm :(

[maverixdamighty]

also don't believe merkk has an ip exemption can we confirm if desmo does?

[SamwiseRed]

dirty whistle ele

[Captivate]

I make the same argument for Merkk here as I do for Desmo Ele, you clearly see him at 5 seconds in the video with LD above his head, and he disappears at 13 seconds... thats 8 seconds, one longer than Desmo.

Sorry to burst your bubble on that one!

as dexterous most of you bluebies are, taking 8 seconds to type /ex turn around to your other comp and hit enter world isnt far fetched.


as far as im concerned i just watched desmo AND merkk both abuse ip exemptions. its pretty obvious.

on a second note its pretty sad to see a cleric who cant possible aquire a better piece of gear in any slot training and abusing ip exemptions for his guild who has been slipping up lately.

[Frieza_Prexus]

dirty whistle ele

Illiterate Hobbit

[kotton05]

as dexterous most of you bluebies are, taking 8 seconds to type /ex turn around to your other comp and hit enter world isnt far fetched.


as far as im concerned i just watched desmo AND merkk both abuse ip exemptions. its pretty obvious.

on a second note its pretty sad to see a cleric who cant possible aquire a better piece of gear in any slot training and abusing ip exemptions for his guild who has been slipping up lately.

at 5 seconds you can see that im already there FD and LD, had been LD for awhile , only takes 30 secs to poof with no agro fd. Keep reaching.

[kotton05]

Anyone else notice Merkk poofed from game at 13 seconds?

also notice at 5 secs, when fistn looks from where train is coming to the camp spot i'm there already fd and ld.

[quido]

This one's for Kagok

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[Mortiiss]

This one's for Kagok

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Beautiful song.

[Langrisser]

for me to poop on

[Servellious]

Can't watch link on iPhone but I feel the love already thanks Jeremy

[Mortiiss]

Can't watch link on iPhone but I feel the love already thanks Jeremy

Its Hoobastank - The Reason

[47shadesofgay]

Desmo is more important than you
It's all over the server. A long-standing TMO member, Desmo, got caught using an instant-log-not-exploit after the GMs specifically said not to use it. And he got banned for it, just like they said he would.

Except he didn't get banned. He's not banned now, and he won't be banned later. You see, Desmo is a lot like me. He has a blue robe that indicates his importance on the server, and in the time it took him to get it he's made a few powerful friends. We don't let the GMs on this box issue bans to our favorite members. Look at Jeremy, for instance. He got caught red-handed so bad he can't even play Malcolm anymore (that you know of), but we know how precious his LR stuff is to him (he never fucking shuts up about it), so we bailed his shaman out when he got busted two-boxing. We're doing the same to Desmo here.

Sure, Desmo cheated like a motherfucker in order to gain a real advantage over another guild during a chase scenario, and of course we're all more than aware that the method he used has been specifically indicated as a bannable offense. We don't give a fuck though. We're just going to keep fucking doing what we want. We're not even going to make excuses. You know why?

Sirken is a fucking pussy.
Rogean is a fucking pussy.
Fistn is a fucking pussy.

If they want us to stop cheating with impunity on their server, they're going to have to start enforcing their own rules. As long as they're taking our money to look the other way this is how it is. Fraps all you want. Nothing's going to change. Buying Desmo back from Rogean is just the cost of doing business. And business is good.

TMO owns your asses. How many times do I have to say it?

This is the work a genius.

[47shadesofgay]

I a word.

[Mortiiss]

Where is that quote from? It's quite hilarious.

[quido]

Malcolm has never incurred any disciplinary action, you jerk slanderers!

[Servellious]

I vote to allow Jeremy and happy feet to app to fe when we crush Tmo

[quido]

I already have a char in FE - thanks tho

[getsome]

Do you find fe guild chat as boring as I find Tmo guild chat.

[quido]

no I love it

[Hasbinbad]

FE guildchat is p. funny.

[Godefroi]

Merkk doesnt have an IP exemption, keep trying TMO cheating bitches

[Servellious]

whoever was saying "you're bad faggots, you're bad" sounded very old + fat

i hope in 20 years i can be very fat, mad, and bad like said invidivudal

Fistn is young fit and Damm good looking. It's just those 50lb dumbbells that get the best of him

[Hasbinbad]

u gotta be pretty stuck to benefit from reps with 50lb

[Servellious]

50lbs dumbbell curls is nothing to sneeze at

[Happyfeet]

Do you find fe guild chat as boring as I find Tmo guild chat.

FE has no idea what HASWB is... You have to know Faelagund and Notorious (silvan rangers) to get the HASWB and PBHJ jokes. Without them, guildchat is pointless.

[Hasbinbad]

50lbs dumbbell curls is nothing to sneeze at
thats what i'm saying :P

[Godefroi]

FE has no idea what HASWB is... You have to know Faelagund and Notorious (silvan rangers) to get the HASWB and PBHJ jokes. Without them, guildchat is pointless.

and we give 0 fucks nerdy boy

[47shadesofgay]

Where is that quote from? It's quite hilarious.

Give you a clue.. the link is in your signature. ;)

[Godefroi]

Give you a clue.. the link is in your signature. ;)

Even though those words could come from Meccezan himself, I'm sorry to say he left the forum because he couldn't take all the heat.

[radditsu]

Man he's really keeping up with his blog. Jeremy only updated dictaters a time or two. That's what i call dedication.

[47shadesofgay]

It's good readin'.

[Nirgon]

Man he's really keeping up with his blog. Jeremy only updated dictaters a time or two. That's what i call dedication.

How dare you that's a free service he provides in his own personal time from the goodness of his heart. If you don't like it leave. :cool:

[radditsu]

Oh i am not complaining about eccezan's prose. It is nice to know he has an outlet for his frustrations and is able to work through his mental issues now that he isn't posting on the forums :)

[47shadesofgay]

How dare you that's a free service he provides in his own personal time from the goodness of his heart. If you don't like it leave. :cool:

Let's get one thing straight, Nirgon. We don't answer to you.

There has been a lot of complaints lately, a lot of posts on the forums, with everyone trying to critique dicktaters.net. The developer of this project put way too much time into this for him to be put on the spotlight every single time he make a decision, ESPECIALLY when you ASSUME you know all the facts. 90% of the time, you don't. Situations are handled between the dicktaters.net staff and the readers directly involved. Any dialog between a dicktaters.net developer and a reader can be considered a private matter, and will not be open to public debate. Readers will divulge their interactions with developers as they see fit, maybe giving all details and maybe not disclosing all of it, and quite possible they themselves aren't aware of every point of consideration in a staff decision.

I'm getting quite tired of everything being questioned, everyone assuming they are experts in every decision being made. Its getting old quite fast. We make decisions based on our best judgements, often discussing large impacting decisions with several staff members first. You are welcome to report anything you may believe to be unjustified use of dictaters.net privileges to the petition forum or Jeremy and myself, but this would only be in situations where you believe a developer did not act as they are instructed so, and an investigation may occur, but do not think that this suddenly privies you to all information associated with any decision. I realize that the environment for our community is a little more open than such organizations as Project1999 Itself, with more direct involvement in the community by the developers, but there are certain ways things need to be handled, and they wont always be agreed on by everyone, but thats how it is in any scenario. Many of us, including myself, do not read dicktaters.net. That means we spend all of our time working to better the site, and handling the issues that arise. We make decisions based on our best judgement, with no favoritism for any reader connections, so you will have to trust in our opinions for the health of the site.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled, un GM-related, flaming and asshatery.

[47shadesofgay]

Really.. all that and I fuck up on the last sentance?

Fuck that noise

[Happyfeet]

and we give 0 fucks nerdy boy

Someone got the salted butter...

[Susano]

FE has no idea what HASWB is... You have to know Faelagund and Notorious (silvan rangers) to get the HASWB and PBHJ jokes. Without them, guildchat is pointless.

Hot Ass Sex With Butter. Come at me bro! I spent some time in SR.

[Metallikus]

Desmo is more important than you
It's all over the server. A long-standing TMO member, Desmo, got caught using an instant-log-not-exploit after the GMs specifically said not to use it. And he got banned for it, just like they said he would.

Except he didn't get banned. He's not banned now, and he won't be banned later. You see, Desmo is a lot like me. He has a blue robe that indicates his importance on the server, and in the time it took him to get it he's made a few powerful friends. We don't let the GMs on this box issue bans to our favorite members. Look at Jeremy, for instance. He got caught red-handed so bad he can't even play Malcolm anymore (that you know of), but we know how precious his LR stuff is to him (he never fucking shuts up about it), so we bailed his shaman out when he got busted two-boxing. We're doing the same to Desmo here.

Sure, Desmo cheated like a motherfucker in order to gain a real advantage over another guild during a chase scenario, and of course we're all more than aware that the method he used has been specifically indicated as a bannable offense. We don't give a fuck though. We're just going to keep fucking doing what we want. We're not even going to make excuses. You know why?

Sirken is a fucking pussy.
Rogean is a fucking pussy.
Fistn is a fucking pussy.

If they want us to stop cheating with impunity on their server, they're going to have to start enforcing their own rules. As long as they're taking our money to look the other way this is how it is. Fraps all you want. Nothing's going to change. Buying Desmo back from Rogean is just the cost of doing business. And business is good.

TMO owns your asses. How many times do I have to say it?

This is the work a genius.


It does seem to run like a business. Are you saying that you think that the server staff and tmo run the rmt business together? Is that why you think no one in tmo has ever been banned for bannable offenses?

You could probly look at the stats. 1 billion petitions against tmo for griefing, cheating, training, aid disrupting, ect with like what? 4 weeks total suspensions served? They shoulda all been banned, leadership banned, ect for causing so much fucking grief. yet here they stand, tall, after buying up marshmellows while amelinda was in charge...buying up confirmed RMT accounts from IB with the same RMT money they get from selling epic MQs.

[Nirgon]

Really.. all that and I fuck up on the last sentance?

Fuck that noise

You don't always have all the info and there's a lot going on confirmed

[Alarti0001]

It does seem to run like a business. Are you saying that you think that the server staff and tmo run the rmt business together? Is that why you think no one in tmo has ever been banned for bannable offenses?

You could probly look at the stats. 1 billion petitions against tmo for griefing, cheating, training, aid disrupting, ect with like what? 4 weeks total suspensions served? They shoulda all been banned, leadership banned, ect for causing so much fucking grief. yet here they stand, tall, after buying up marshmellows while amelinda was in charge...buying up confirmed RMT accounts from IB with the same RMT money they get from selling epic MQs.

This is why BDA is dying. Crazy fuckers there.

Still love a good Anthrax post.

[quido]

The only people confirmed to have been in RMT schemes with staff are from IB.

Metallikus, your dim-witted rage and spite brings me joy every time you post.

[47shadesofgay]

The only people confirmed to have been in RMT schemes with staff are from IB.

Curious.. do you have any proof of IB and staff working together for RMT? This is the first I've ever heard of it if so.

Metallica dude I didn't write that post.. quit being a derp-star.

[Rellapse10]

It does seem to run like a business. Are you saying that you think that the server staff and tmo run the rmt business together? Is that why you think no one in tmo has ever been banned for bannable offenses?

You could probly look at the stats. 1 billion petitions against tmo for griefing, cheating, training, aid disrupting, ect with like what? 4 weeks total suspensions served? They shoulda all been banned, leadership banned, ect for causing so much fucking grief. yet here they stand, tall, after buying up marshmellows while amelinda was in charge...buying up confirmed RMT accounts from IB with the same RMT money they get from selling epic MQs.

GM's rolling around in brand new cars, going on vacations splurging off of nerds pixel money.

Why in the hell would you give out perm bans to people that are keeping your pockets full? not saying Tmo is alone, 90% of this server is corrupt people farm fungi tunics to pay rl bills these days. I have hard reports that a person has made 40,000 dollars in a single year off P99. Platlord probably has doubled that number in a single year.


Staff knew nearly every member in IB rmt'd off their toons...hell half of us posted screenshots of our paypal's laughing about it. Those toons are now unbanned and roaming free. If the Gms were not corrupt in anyway those toons would of been forever banned and account selling/trading would be against the rules like it is on every other LEGIT emulated games

[Alarti0001]

GM's rolling around in brand new cars, going on vacations splurging off of nerds pixel money.

Why in the hell would you give out perm bans to people that are keeping your pockets full? not saying Tmo is alone, 90% of this server is corrupt people farm fungi tunics to pay rl bills these days. I have hard reports that a person has made 40,000 dollars in a single year off P99. Platlord probably has doubled that number in a single year.


Staff knew nearly every member in IB rmt'd off their toons...hell half of us posted screenshots of our paypal's laughing about it. Those toons are now unbanned and roaming free. If the Gms were not corrupt in anyway those toons would of been forever banned and account selling/trading would be against the rules like it is on every other LEGIT emulated games

I agree..... lol

Rebann Szeth and Daliant

[47shadesofgay]

GM's rolling around in brand new cars, going on vacations splurging off of nerds pixel money.

Why in the hell would you give out perm bans to people that are keeping your pockets full? not saying Tmo is alone, 90% of this server is corrupt people farm fungi tunics to pay rl bills these days. I have hard reports that a person has made 40,000 dollars in a single year off P99. Platlord probably has doubled that number in a single year.


Staff knew nearly every member in IB rmt'd off their toons...hell half of us posted screenshots of our paypal's laughing about it. Those toons are now unbanned and roaming free. If the Gms were not corrupt in anyway those toons would of been forever banned and account selling/trading would be against the rules like it is on every other LEGIT emulated games

You jelly? :D

I hope this project makes Rogean a fucking millionaire, I really do.

[47shadesofgay]

I'm not saying you're incorrect or anything Rellapse.. just saying that it's funny to watch all of this and I really hope someone is banking large after all.

[Rellapse10]

You jelly? :D

I hope this project makes Rogean a fucking millionaire, I really do.

nope Rogean used Nilbog to corner a market that no one else has done since 1999. I would be extorting as much money out of nerds as i could 2

[Metallikus]

if an account is banned for RMT or whatever the fuck it was banned for.....why in the hell would it ever be unbanned?

banned for RMT - no problem, get a gm to unban it - how? hmmmm you tell me FE

banned for cheating - no problem, get a gm to ubban it - how? hmmm you tell me TMO

where does it stop? the rules of this server are never enforced by the letter of the law or by what is written.

[Alarti0001]

if an account is banned for RMT or whatever the fuck it was banned for.....why in the hell would it ever be unbanned?

banned for RMT - no problem, get a gm to unban it - how? hmmmm you tell me FE

banned for cheating - no problem, get a gm to ubban it - how? hmmm you tell me TMO

where does it stop? the rules of this server are never enforced by the letter of the law or by what is written.

Except we didnt get someone banned for cheating :)

[quido]

Curious.. do you have any proof of IB and staff working together for RMT? This is the first I've ever heard of it if so.

Kinsawt + Amelinda

Supremacy doesn't pay her off and gets his RMT accounts banned (and eventually unbanned).

[47shadesofgay]

Woah woah woah.. Metallica bro pump your brakes son.

Let's get one thing straight, metallica guy. We don't answer to you.

[Servellious]

TMO raid readiness Items.

http://s14.postimg.org/kwt407nul/Game_Genies.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/kwt407nul/)

[47shadesofgay]

Kinsawt + Amelinda

Supremacy doesn't pay her off and gets his RMT accounts banned (and eventually unbanned).

Where is the hard proof? Can you PM me if you fear posting it here. I'm very curious to see it as this is news to me. I've seen the screen with Amelinda's paypal account, but haven't seen any hard proof tying any particular individuals to it.

[Rellapse10]

Kinsawt and her had dealings it is true and somewhere down the line she was offered a laptop for her 'services' but she never got it.

[quido]

Sorry bud, that's where it stops for me - don't really feel like going through that to catch you up on the times. Plenty of people can set you up though I'm sure.

[47shadesofgay]

Anyone mind catching me up? Want to see some pretty pictures. :D

[Rellapse10]

most all the threads have been swept under the rug now and FOH is gone so can't go look up the pics there =/

[radditsu]

Think Big Uth posted it all to the FOH boards at some point. He may have some originals still

[falkun]

I am normally down for some TMO bashing as much as the next guy, but Desmo is clearly LD at 0:08, and stays in game until 0:22. AKA he didn't poof. If you want to argue training, that might be legit, but you can't blame a man for /q-ing. Here's a screenshot directly from the FRAPS (480p is shit quality, FYI):
http://i.imgur.com/HDNgCPC.png

That is at 0:08 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K_YArIVqTM&t=0m7s) in the FRAPs, the first time Desmo is shown.

[Alarti0001]

FE to require Stopwatches for all character switches any login faster than a pentium 4 with a 56k connection is obviously cheating.

[falkun]

pentium 4 with a 56k connection

Shit's classic. I actually remember putting in a petition because I was running slower than normal run speed and getting wrecked by the spiders between FV outpost and LOIO back when my Live character was in the teens. That's when I found out that run-speed was tied to FPS, and I had a shitty computer and shittier dial-up. Even on the Titanium client here on P99, run-speed is tied to FPS. Every AoEing bard knows this very well.

[Hackscendence]

When you have aggro it's different. A player does not pop out of game when they /q as they are being hit.

Go ahead and test it.

Zone in to fear, get aggro, /q and then see if you come back alive. If you DA, the mobs drop aggro and move to the next target on their hate list. Since you no longer have aggro on any mobs, the game allows you to pop out after about 10-15 seconds. If you do not DA you win the fight or log back into a corpse.

We can see from the combat text in the video that Desmo does not have DA up as he is being hit by the mobs and yet he pops out of game effortlessly with full aggro on him.

Really. Test it. Prove me wrong. If that's not the case, I want to see that it isn't as it would change the way that I deal with similar situations myself.

[falkun]

Desmo is first sighted at 0:08 and stays in game until 0:22. But that does not preclude Desmo from LDing BEFORE he is EVER visible in the FRAPs. He could have been LD long before the FRAPS starts running. If you watch the FRAPs, Desmo NEVER moves from the first time he is visible (robe @ 0:06) to when he disappears (0:22). You can confirm he is LD by 0:08. Fistn does not show that angle before Desmo arrives in that spot, so we never know when Desmo initially goes LD, just that he disappears while LD and has been LD for at least 14 seconds. Either way, 14 seconds != instant, he has more training with Aiaus before he learns that move apparently.

[Hackscendence]

But, again, to reiterate, he has full aggro on the mobs as we can see by the combat spam. The amount of time isn't really a concern here, I've been in fights with tougher green/lightblue cons, /q'd and still been kept out of game for a good 3-4 minutes while the fight completed.

How do you /q with full aggro and no DA and still leave game within 18 seconds, 24 seconds, 38 seconds, or any amount of time for that matter while you have aggro on a mob.

[Hackscendence]

The definition of poofing is not instantly disappearing after using /q. The definition is utilizing an IP exemption to force your player out of game with another client. He could easily be giving it a few seconds for plausible deniability.

Try it deejay. In my experience it works the same regardless of the mob's level.

[falkun]

I know how LDing works. I also know I've survived LDs while fighting mobs (and had the mob reset, so it hadn't died either).

You can also tell Desmo was very low on the aggro list, the mobs are fully clear aggro for a split second after lily dies until they aggro someone behind Fistn at the end of the FRAPs. Desmo could have been aggroed for a very long time if he was the last aggro out of a complete camp-off.

[Hackscendence]

How long was the fight? Sure, there's probably an upper cap, but we're not talking about minutes in desmo's case here...

[Nirgon]

There's an instant poof bug, we've showed Sirken how to duplicate it on red.

However, from the fraps and ss ... that is no insta poof.

[47shadesofgay]

That video quality is abominable.

You guys need to hire a real professional with a proven track record to follow you around and Fraps your raids at true 1080p. I respond very fast to batphones, have an SSD for running EQ and Fraps to my NAS which as of this post has 15TB of free space. In addition I always have all logs enabled, and am garunteed 99.99% up-time by my cable provider (comcast).

I'm willing to work for as low as $100 an encounter. I'll leave it up to you to determine how I am paid.. if TMO and FE want to go halfsies, or if the server staff wants to front it in order to cut down on erroneous petitions, I'm down for whatever.

If you're as tired of this amateur crap as I am (and I know most of you are) just let me know. It's about time ya'll went pro.

[Godefroi]

I really wonder how you spot the LD at 0:08 dude; we mustn't be looking at the same video !

Bitch got suspended for training, it's a matter of time we get this cunt for cheating, TMOs tend to cheat when they are pinned down :D

[Thana8088]

I really wonder how you spot the LD at 0:08 dude; we mustn't be looking at the same video !

Bitch got suspended for training, it's a matter of time we get this cunt for cheating, TMOs tend to cheat when they are pinned down :D

Nice language there, Visc.

[falkun]

I really wonder how you spot the LD at 0:08 dude; we mustn't be looking at the same video !
I outlined the LD in a red box from the first picture at 0:08, here's another one from 0:09 (again the LD is highlighted in the red box):
http://i.imgur.com/hAPYXnL.png

Now, does anyone care to explain the videos by Joseph Sceglio that youtube puts up when this video concludes? Pretty sure getting on top of VP's dungeon geometry is exploiting.

[Hackscendence]

TMO did it, we petitioned it, GM's said it was ok so long as they weren't fighting dragons up there to dodge AE's.

That's the crap I'm talking about, we wouldn't touch this kind of shady stuff but then TMO leverages it to get an advantage, we petition it, it's deemed acceptable, and so we all start using it.

Also, what you see in most of those videos is nexona flying through the zone geometry after being pulled by TMO up there to train us. He does not path directly, he comes in a straight line through thin air.

[Rellapse10]

that picture is so shitty either i am blind or its just a blurry pile of shit..however you can make out LD or FU in that picture i got no clue.

they get up there in VP using Gflux on live doing stuff like that was labeled exploiting but here you have GM's who really has 0clue wtf is going on

[Metallikus]

the guy was caught red handed training your raid. that is raid interference.


the motherfucking punishment for blatant raid intereference is not 3 day suspension.

straight from rogaen himself:


Q: What if our raid is disrupted? What if our raid interferes with another raid?
A: Any non-consensual disturbance or meddling from a raid which leads to another raid being disrupted will result in very harsh punishments. Anyone involved in disruptions will be banned for 1 week with possible action against their guild's leadership. Second offenses will be 2 weeks. Further offenses will be permanent. It is the responsibility of the raid leaders to control their members. We strongly suggest that you avoid other raids while in a zone.


IT IS FUCKING CLEAR AS FUCK TMO AND THEIR INFINITE SUPPLY OF GOONS TO TRAIN PEOPLE HAVE HAD MORE THAN THREE INFRACTIONS. WHERE IS THE GODDAMN JUSTICE YOU MOTHERFUCKING GMS?

[falkun]

That's some shady shit. But from what happens to Sussy, it doesn't look like you can avoid AE's up there, but maybe I'm wrong. Since its 'condoned', good luck I guess.

[Rellapse10]

we need a list of all the GM's saying they were gonna ban people for doing stuff and never following through with their word. I bet it would be about 15 to 20 different quotes from Amelinda,Sirken to Rogaine himself.

tldr

GMs word is shit

[quido]

Simmer down Anthrax ya moran

prove it wasn't FE that trained him in the first place!

prove it

[Metallikus]

so TMO's defense to being caught training another raid force on purpose is "prove that we didnt get trained first"?

[Metallikus]

this is the raid scene you have developed. it could have been an honorable raid scene, but you dickholes pull every dirty trick in the book and prefer to delve deeper into the abyss than to come up out of the shit hole and play nice. You have made it where each burden of proof needs 34 more verifications of proof to prove you are being a dickbag. Fuck off already.

[quido]

you are such a raging crybaby, Anthrax

you also lack perspective!

I don't know why I even address you though, it's fucking retarded

[Godefroi]

Jesus did meccezan really get yelled at by TMO and is forbidden to post ?

Quickfingers might be an idiot, but an useful one at times :D

[Metallikus]

why bother to write raid rules or server rules if nothing is abided to?

[Ele]

why bother to write raid rules or server rules if nothing is abided to?

just to make you rage.

[Ele]

Appears that there were 2-3 separate trains happening in Fear in addition to people engaging Draco.

@2 seconds -giant train heading to Draco,
@5 seconds - one in the fire wall, and
@17 seconds - giant train on the far side of firewall (could be the same one that was in the firewall @5 seconds, but the firewall train appears to have a number of TTs in it, this one does not).

It is also obvious that only one shiver came directly for Desmo (root CC'd while LD), you can see other ones going to other people and not Desmo. Until the other train was dropped @15-16 seconds on the far side of the firewall by a separate person.

FRAPS Results: INCONCLUSIVE

[Hackscendence]

That's some shady shit. But from what happens to Sussy, it doesn't look like you can avoid AE's up there, but maybe I'm wrong. Since its 'condoned', good luck I guess.

Believe me, Deejay, I feel the exact same way about it. When I heard we saw zeelot's cleric fall out of the roof one night I thought for sure it was time for another TMO raid-break. When we found out it was condoned, we had to shift our tactics because the spot is literally untrainable unless you exploit dragons through the zone walls or get lucky and pull a wurm up before they can get camped out (or poof).

At least WE stopped short of that...

Without this spot right now we'd be getting trained mercilessly with no recourse as they just drag their bodies under the hole, z-axis them up out of the zone, then rez them back and ready to train again.

You should see them pull Phara Dar. I wonder where he even goes that he ends up popping through the wall so close to the entrance...

[Godefroi]

Nice language there, Visc.

Thank you ;)

[Tiggles]

Jesus did meccezan really get yelled at by TMO and is forbidden to post ?

Quickfingers might be an idiot, but an useful one at times :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

[Ele]

When we found out it was condoned, we had to shift our tactics because the spot is literally untrainable unless you exploit dragons through the zone walls or get lucky and pull a wurm up before they can get camped out (or poof).

At least WE stopped short of that...

Without this spot right now we'd be getting trained mercilessly with no recourse as they just drag their bodies under the hole, z-axis them up out of the zone, then rez them back and ready to train again.


That's why FE started dropping eye of zomms which trained racnars, wurms, and dragons up there?

[maverixdamighty]

That's why FE started dropping eye of zomms which trained racnars, wurms, and dragons up there?

prove it

[Ele]

prove it

lol

[Hackscendence]

As I said, it can be possible to get lucky with a wurm, a racnar or a dragon but it's near assured that the cleric will get out in time.

Even hoshkar takes a good 20-30 seconds to make it up. Nexona is stealthy enough that he can sneak up sometimes since he's pathing through mid air half the zone away, not walking around below the hole.

We've been using hoshkar, you've been using nexona. Ours paths up from the bottom, yours uses those wings of his to defy game physics.

Done talking about it, grats on the great success you've had with your dirty tactics. I'd warn you of the impending ban if I had any faith left in justice on this server. See you at the next dragon pop.

[Rellapse10]

if i was going to play a blue server id prob play toops shit server before p99 blue

they have never done another cheating sweep in years, and the punishments are god damn laughable

shits classic

cheating sweeps + perm bans = lost revenue

[Kevynne]

t00p actually went through with that? ROFL

[Rellapse10]

t00p actually went through with that? ROFL

ya http://epicemu.com/

[Ele]

prove it

As I said, it can be possible to get lucky with a wurm, a racnar or a dragon but it's near assured that the cleric will get out in time.

Even hoshkar takes a good 20-30 seconds to make it up. Nexona is stealthy enough that he can sneak up sometimes since he's pathing through mid air half the zone away, not walking around below the hole.

We've been using hoshkar, you've been using nexona. Ours paths up from the bottom, yours uses those wings of his to defy game physics.

Done talking about it, grats on the great success you've had with your dirty tactics. I'd warn you of the impending ban if I had any faith left in justice on this server. See you at the next dragon pop.

Here ya go Mav, beats the hearsay rule as an admission against interest.

[Kevynne]

If you look closely Desmo is not there, then suddenly is there, but LD (and seeing fistn has see invis, Desmo can't be invised) He then immediately poofs and the train begins to eat what remains of the FE raid that didn't camp or FD (also the lilyanna action shot made me laugh... poor squish clothie stands up just to go back down :C)

[Alarti0001]

TMO did it, we petitioned it, GM's said it was ok so long as they weren't fighting dragons up there to dodge AE's.

That's the crap I'm talking about, we wouldn't touch this kind of shady stuff but then TMO leverages it to get an advantage, we petition it, it's deemed acceptable, and so we all start using it.

Also, what you see in most of those videos is nexona flying through the zone geometry after being pulled by TMO up there to train us. He does not path directly, he comes in a straight line through thin air.

You mean like how FE pulled Hoskar through the ceiling on us multiple times... or How we pull and mobs randomly pop through walls? I know you are knew to VP and all but the pathing is fucked. QQ moar imo

[Kevynne]

ya http://epicemu.com/

oh thats his server?
that server is honestyl 100% better than p99.
or atleast beta was.

[Kevynne]

You mean like how FE pulled Hoskar through the ceiling on us multiple times... or How we pull and mobs randomly pop through walls? I know you are knew to VP and all but the pathing is fucked. QQ moar imo

what dungeon doesn't have fucked up pathing?

[Rellapse10]

oh thats his server?
that server is honestyl 100% better than p99.
or atleast beta was.

haven't played there but yea it is Toop's creation

[Alarti0001]

what dungeon doesn't have fucked up pathing?

Exactly so people can quit bitching about broken pathing... unless the plan on fixing it.

Also VP is 1000x worse than other dungeons.

[Ele]

wtb new .path files

[Alarti0001]

wtb new .path files

Yes RnF community do something productive.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=104534

Also, don't try to put in exploits you will be caught !

[Zapatos]

Those videos are from the roof of VP, over the circle room right near the entrance (looking up from below all you see is a skylight).

It was petitioned because it sure as hell seems like an exploit, but GM's just told us to go up there too, even after being given maps/fraps/infos of what that spot was. Not exploit they said.

What those videos show, however, is tmo warp-pulling nexona. The dragon is pathing in a straight line from its lair to the camp, ghosting through walls and for the most part arriving single in around 30 seconds or less (just like the rest of their dragon pulls). When FE has eyeball/coh pulled, the dragons instead follow their normal route, taking several minutes to arrive by ground. I guess Amelinda's ruling on that matter has been nullified? http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=68664

You can /spin /dodge /deflect and say mad/fat/bad/etc all you want, but nothing will change the fact that most of tmo's core are cheaters.

[quido]

Are we supposed to just not train Nexona when she's the only dragon up simply because she can't path right?

[Funkutron5000]

Are we supposed to just not train Nexona when she's the only dragon up simply because she can't path right?

That seems fairly reasonable?

[Alarti0001]

TMO does something we don't understand.....


it sure as hell seems like an exploit,

[quido]

If they're gonna say you can't train Nexona to that spot because she never paths right, it would make sense to also say you're not allowed to be there.

But it seems they instead said "you can both do the same shit there."

[Alarti0001]

That seems fairly reasonable?

About as reasonable as saying you aren't allowed to set up camp at a place where we can't train nexona on you.

[Kevynne]

Exactly so people can quit bitching about broken pathing... unless the plan on fixing it.

Also VP is 1000x worse than other dungeons.

I ehard some tales in guild caht about how fucked up it was.

yeah it goes live in 2 days, prob wont fuk wit it long term but mite poke my head in for a min or 2

me knows, Me and some guildies and rl friends are gonna try it out for a few days.

[Kevynne]

also, how did this thread go from desmo to VP ??

[Alarti0001]

also, how did this thread go from desmo to VP ??

FE's tears float many boats.

[Chloroform]

About as reasonable as saying you aren't allowed to set up camp at a place where we can't train nexona on you.

wise words alarti.

PS; FE, think with reason and depth. don't just assume, most assumptions leave u looking silly and vulnerable.

[Godefroi]

There ain't tears, you have shown us the way to play off world in VP, we will follow you anywhere you will go Alarti lol.

The only difference between today and tomorrow, is that we will pull 60 too and melt dragons like big boys instantly like ya do, or we might as well make your hoshkar last 15 hours until we do have those numbers.

I think we haven't made up our minds yet :D

[kotton05]

PS; FE, think with reason and depth. don't just assume, most assumptions leave u looking silly and vulnerable.

Yup I'm sure you just told eccezan that same thing. Because that fraps + post which sirken deleted really was way worse than coming to rnf over pathing dragons thru walls:)

In the end there's a fine line that gets drawn then blurred over VP rules. Guess it's no holds bar. I'd also like to think desmo didn't train on purpose. Def looks like it. But who knows... could have been a train dumped on him while zone desyncing or a truly malicious act...

[Godefroi]

I don't see why TMO is crying they go killed with a dragon pathing through walls really lol, they insta pulled PD this way to the zone in ?

[Hailto]

wise words alarti.

PS; FE, think with reason and depth. don't just assume, most assumptions leave u looking silly and vulnerable.

Hey i remember when you tried to pull trakanon a couple spawns ago, hahahaha

[Shinko]

hey tmo remember what a trak kill looks like?

[47shadesofgay]

wtb new .path files

TMO sure was celebratory though after the individual responsible for nailing down pathing for the project decided to play elsewhere after Uthgaard's witch hunt against him.

Hmm.. I wonder what TMO really wants to buy.

[Rellapse10]

hey tmo remember what a trak kill looks like?

ouch hahahahaha

[Chloroform]

Hey i remember when you tried to pull trakanon a couple spawns ago, hahahaha

no why dont u refresh my memory

[Alarti0001]

hey tmo remember what a trak kill looks like?

After 150+ trak kills.... they kind of blur together.

[kotton05]

After 150+ trak kills.... they kind of blur together.

Errorrrr erorrrrrr does not computeee