People complaining about warrior agro,...

[apio]

need to fucking stop:

- slowing on incoming
- keep on backstabbing even though evade failed 3 times in a row
- parkin their pet in the pulling lane and nuking at 80 %
- nuking at 90 %

feel free to add to the list, thats just what ive come up until now.

oh and btw warriors: 2hs is not a valid weapon if you wanna hold agro

:confused::confused:

[apio]

- rooting if a mob hits you and running around like a headless chicken rerooting and rerooting

[guineapig]

People complaining about warriors is so 1999.

[apio]

I played a warrior in 2000 and i play one now (from time to time), and 99 % of the time when warriors lose agro its because the other people are too fucking stupid to not get it.

Sure theres also some blame to put on the warriors itself: why hunt in an area where mobs con yellow and red to you? why not communicate better with your team and tell them what to do?

It just seems to me that "bad warrior agro" is the ultimative excuse for lazy warriors and lazy non warriors alike. L2fuckinPlay

[Brut]

Hand the rogue dual wielding SBDs some Fine Steel Daggers. Instant fix.

[Akame]

The problem is 5 years playing WoW. People actually have to learn how to play together in this game and they seem to have forgotten.

[Spud]

-Casters repeatedly sitting and gaining aggro

[Ripcord]

Or just root on inc and before every mez break. War sits in mobs lap and builds hate until root breaks all the while everyone can melee and debuff np. Sorry I'd rather not wait for you to get 3 taunts off on every blue mob.

[Phallax]

Untill a warrior gets 36 with yaks, youre probably gonna pull agro unless the mob is 30%, thats just the way it is.

[eqholmes]

Untill a warrior gets 36 with yaks, youre probably gonna pull agro unless the mob is 30%, thats just the way it is.

37 he means!

[apio]

Untill a warrior gets 36 with yaks, youre probably gonna pull agro unless the mob is 30%, thats just the way it is.

this is the main problem imo. since warrior agro pre yaks "sucks anyway", nobody is even making an effort. Its the MAIN PROBLEM )

[Erasong]

37 he means!

beat me to it

[eqholmes]

beat me to it

mwhahahah that’s how I roll! To the main point of this thread through as long as a warrior has a shard or even a gnoll hide lariat they are fine till 37, at that point most can't afford a yak and if its your first char then there is pretty much no way to have a yak at 37 unless your crazy lucky. Anyways if your casters don't suck then they will root for you and you should be fine. :)

[Dantes]

need to fucking stop:

- slowing on incoming
- keep on backstabbing even though evade failed 3 times in a row
- parkin their pet in the pulling lane and nuking at 80 %
- nuking at 90 %

feel free to add to the list, thats just what ive come up until now.


- Go buy 2 obsidian shards for said warrior :D
- DEX gear too!

[Mady]

lariat doesn't proc until 25.

[Ripcord]

All these things to not do are great... On a raid. For an exp group all they do is slow the killing down. This is the opposite thing you want. Just fucking use root on everything at all times. Imagine if mobs in eq couldn't move ever, it would be stupid and easy. Well just think about that for a minute and get back to me.

[Phallax]

mwhahahah that’s how I roll! To the main point of this thread through as long as a warrior has a shard or even a gnoll hide lariat they are fine till 37, at that point most can't afford a yak and if its your first char then there is pretty much no way to have a yak at 37 unless your crazy lucky. Anyways if your casters don't suck then they will root for you and you should be fine. :)

Yea I always rooted then slowed, as a shaman its even more viable to blind(alot less mana) and if you have nukers in the group theres no risky of nukes breaking root when blinding.

[Phallax]

Yea I always rooted then slowed, as a shaman its even more viable to blind(alot less mana) and if you have nukers in the group theres no risky of nukes breaking root when blinding.

Just make sure you dont blind untill the warrior is on it, else itll run rampant.

[mgellan]

Arrows shot at incoming mobs a problem also

[Gorgetrapper]

Blued Two Handed Hammer has served me pretty well, seems like most of you people don't know how to play a warrior pre-37. Before 30 (before the 2handed hammer procs) I've had no problem keeping agro on anything with just plain Bladed Thulian claws and some other random weapon in the offhand. All it takes is for the group to NOT be stupid, but that's a one in a million chance.

[Phallax]

Blued Two Handed Hammer has served me pretty well, seems like most of you people don't know how to play a warrior pre-37. Before 30 (before the 2handed hammer procs) I've had no problem keeping agro on anything with just plain Bladed Thulian claws and some other random weapon in the offhand. All it takes is for the group to NOT be stupid, but that's a one in a million chance.

I think thats the whole point of the OPs post :confused:

[jilena]

I think the reality of this is simple. Warriors a fucking inferior for exp groups. Seriously as a cleric I would rather heal a fucking necro BoD tanking the fucking mob than kill 40% slower so the warrior feels like he is accomplishing something.

Fuck you and your aggro. Learning to play for you = if you can't hold aggro just shut the fuck up and do your mediocre dps while the bard tanks so I can get my exp and move on. Sorry if that doesn't make you feel like the dashing hero of awesomeness. I am there to make exp not play fluffer to undergeared wannabe tanks.

That said, if you are the only person in the group somewhat capable of taking damage and the casters are dying because they are pulling hate, fuck them too. After they die 4-5 times in a row they will learn that you suck and compensate, or they won't make exp. Seems like a pretty win situation to me.

[jilena]

Warriors ARE fucking inferior** Yay for laptop typing.

[Mady]

Damn Jil, what warrior pee'd in your rose bed.

[Gorgetrapper]

Well then Zarina, all those warriors you must have grouped with, twinked or not apparently don't know how to play their class.

[frefaln]

Damn Jil, what warrior pee'd in your rose bed.

Seriously. There's rants, there's flames, and then there's forgot to take your meds.

[Loke]

Well then Zarina, all those warriors you must have grouped with, twinked or not apparently don't know how to play their class.

I don't think it's that they don't know how to play their class (maybe it is) - the point is that a warrior will never be as good as a sk or pal in regards to aggro in an EXP group. Like Ripcord said - no one wants to wait for a warrior to get aggro in an exp group because it slows down leveling. There is nothing a warrior can do about that - where as SKs and Pals can get aggro through other abilities. It's not about them not knowing their class, it's that their class doesn't have the ability to allow other members of the group to maximize their dps like a SK or Pal can.

Don't get me wrong, I would play a warrior before I'd play a SK or Pal - but if I'm putting together a exp grind group, generally speaking I'd take a SK or Pal over a War.

[Landis]

tbh i've only grouped with 1 warrior so far who could hold aggro reliably and he knows who he is. if a warrior isn't really twinked / higher level than the mobs you're killing than they're basically worthless as a tank.

[holkan]

I think the reality of this is simple. Warriors a fucking inferior for exp groups. Seriously as a cleric I would rather heal a fucking necro BoD tanking the fucking mob than kill 40% slower so the warrior feels like he is accomplishing something.

Fuck you and your aggro. Learning to play for you = if you can't hold aggro just shut the fuck up and do your mediocre dps while the bard tanks so I can get my exp and move on. Sorry if that doesn't make you feel like the dashing hero of awesomeness. I am there to make exp not play fluffer to undergeared wannabe tanks.

That said, if you are the only person in the group somewhat capable of taking damage and the casters are dying because they are pulling hate, fuck them too. After they die 4-5 times in a row they will learn that you suck and compensate, or they won't make exp. Seems like a pretty win situation to me.

This sums it up pretty well lol.

[jilena]

I don't think it's that they don't know how to play their class (maybe it is) - the point is that a warrior will never be as good as a sk or pal in regards to aggro in an EXP group. Like Ripcord said - no one wants to wait for a warrior to get aggro in an exp group because it slows down leveling. There is nothing a warrior can do about that - where as SKs and Pals can get aggro through other abilities. It's not about them not knowing their class, it's that their class doesn't have the ability to allow other members of the group to maximize their dps like a SK or Pal can.

Don't get me wrong, I would play a warrior before I'd play a SK or Pal - but if I'm putting together a exp grind group, generally speaking I'd take a SK or Pal over a War.

Nono. I meant they don't understand that their role is just to sit there and be mediocre DPS and thus in not knowing their role need to learn to play. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

[Loke]

Nono. I meant they don't understand that their role is just to sit there and be mediocre DPS and thus in not knowing their role need to learn to play. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Oh, in that case I stand corrected. Sorry for my mistake - carry on hating I guess.

[jilena]

Damn Jil, what warrior pee'd in your rose bed.

Haha no warrior, I just find this argument to be hilarious. I have liked most of the warriors I have grouped with. Just the people who think if there is a warrior in the group that they HAVE to hold aggro or the group is fail need to shut the fuck up. If the warrior gets aggro more power to them, but slowing down killing so the warrior can play tank is retarded imo.

[pickled_heretic]

warrior in exp group = welfare

[Nocte]

We were AE'ing royals last night with a warrior. Best exp gain I've had in 20 levels. I churned through over half of level 40 in about 2 hours.

[pickled_heretic]

We were AE'ing royals last night with a warrior. Best exp gain I've had in 20 levels. I churned through over half of level 40 in about 2 hours.

Can't imagine how a warrior would have helped. The other 4 in your group must have been pretty good.

[Gorgetrapper]

Pickled, you're a pretty terrible player if you don't know how a warrior could help.

[Dantes]

IMO if your group is efficient, aggro isn't even a factor. The mobs drop so fast it doesn't matter. Red or yellow mob? Taunt fails? Root. It's pretty simple. Most of the groups I've been in are excellent at that. Luckily for me everyone on here doesn't have a type A personality with a stick up their ass, so I actually do get invited to groups even if I am not the most efficient or perfect choice.

Wait til Kunark is released, you might be happy some people decided to stick to their warriors.

[Nocte]

Can't imagine how a warrior would have helped. The other 4 in your group must have been pretty good.

Someone had to pull and make it back alive.

[Phil]

The other day I was grouped with a warrior named Warrenz in Sol B who was using executioner's axe and couldn't hold agro worth a penny. Someone recommended he buy some 20plat lariats as soon as he could so he could tank better and he rage quit on our group.

A lot of warriors just fail to understand the limitations of their class. Also, if you're a dps player it takes a little bit of adjustment getting used to having a warrior tank for your group because if you're used to SKs/Pals you're used to being able to start damage a lot faster and more freely.

Jilena summed it up pretty well. Even well geared warriors are inferior to pals and sks in exp groups.

[mgellan]

Even well geared warriors are inferior to pals and sks in exp groups.

Yup, I shelved my tank and rolled a pally for this reason, since for the foreseeable future exp grouping is all I'll be doing. That doesn't mean I won't level the tank up at some point when I can provide him with good gear, but as first toon levelling up a war is way less fun than a knight with not a lot of redeeming features.

Regards,
Mg

[Agaron]

30 starting dex, have dex as your primary stat, and follow up with agi/ac/sta/hp gear, and 2 lariats. Gtg. Haste and you're a stunlock aggro whore.

[Phallax]

Wait til Kunark is released, you might be happy some people decided to stick to their warriors.

^ Warriors are superior tanks 60+, even in exp groups they can gain agro extremely fast and are less stress on your healers.

[Cronoclops]

Rolled a warrior as a first toon my bad, but I'm in my 30's now and I won't give it up <as I don't mind a little challenge>. Dual wielding either obsidian shards or lariats <depending on the situation> have a few +dex items and buffs usually. Unless there's root and the group is working as a team it's 50/50 at this point on weather I can keep aggro or not. When Kunark comes the aggro problem will be addressed then. After that I'll remember every screeching little min/maxer bitchbag that gave me shit and whined and pissed and moaned about this subject. Especially when it's midnight in KC and your tank just /q out. I don't beg people for groups. I put up a flag and they know what I am before they invite me. No point in inviting a war to group and then crying about aggro because your wowified hybrids and nukers turn your chosen tank into mediocre dps or you're a ritalin soaked crackbaby that has a fucking brain hemorrhage if the exp slows a bit.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Get a ranger, tell him to not use his mana for anything but root. Even better, get a ranger with dual EBSes. He'll be so happy to have a group, he'll fuckin root adds for you if you don't have a chanter or bard. If the root breaks and the warrior loses aggro, the ranger probably has aggro from DW/DA and chain-rooting, so your casters/healers won't get crunched. Root, root, root. XP groups on easy mode. Total aggro control, plus DPS. Rangers. FUCK YEAH!

[jilena]

My level 10 ranger is a pro ass tank. I dunno what you guys are talking about. Obviously at level 10 I have experienced enough to know how things will play out endgame. Fuck a warrior.

[Jify]

WTB Bard tankz

[Lazortag]

Yeah, I agree with the general sentiment of this thread, as a Bard no less. I haven't experienced it that often, but it has happened that I took way too much aggro when a warrior was the tank, and had to have it explained to me that (untwinked) warriors in those situations need to build a bit of aggro before the bard can just charge in like a moron.

[Gorgetrapper]

I played my bard up to 50, and the only time I've ever stolen agro, is because I wanted to be a dick to the tanks and mock at how pathetic their disease cloud is.

I'm playing a warrior right now, and as I've stated before, I can out agro a shadowknight or paladin easily. The ONLY thing I can't do, is taunt mobs higher level than me, so that's why I rely on procs in that case.

It's not a question of whether a warrior needs to sit there and build up agro or anything, it's the fact that the bard needs to take off that fucking agro stick from hell and stop dying because of it.

[Lazortag]

I played my bard up to 50, and the only time I've ever stolen agro, is because I wanted to be a dick to the tanks and mock at how pathetic their disease cloud is.

I'm playing a warrior right now, and as I've stated before, I can out agro a shadowknight or paladin easily. The ONLY thing I can't do, is taunt mobs higher level than me, so that's why I rely on procs in that case.

It's not a question of whether a warrior needs to sit there and build up agro or anything, it's the fact that the bard needs to take off that fucking agro stick from hell and stop dying because of it.

Well, at earlier levels (pre-25) if a warrior chooses not to be dual wielding tentacle whips, it's reasonable for the warrior to have to build up a bit of aggro.

What's the "aggro stick from hell"? Staff of writhing? I use staff of writhing and PGT and I almost never steal aggro at my level.

[Gorgetrapper]

Then you're not trying hard enough lol. I didn't even have to try to steal agro when wielding the staff of writhing on my bard. Pissed a lot of SKs and Pallies off.

[apio]

Then you're not trying hard enough lol. I didn't even have to try to steal agro when wielding the staff of writhing on my bard. Pissed a lot of SKs and Pallies off.

can't even use it to max my 1hb. Need to use f'kin Fine Steel Warhammers

/quote

"Man thanks for equipping that Staff and stealing all my agro"

/unquote

after 20 seconds of using it

[Jify]

When the staff comes out, you know Doug is getting serious.

[guineapig]

Staff of Writhing and Obsidian Shard whenever my bard is in a group with no tank.
Casters barely get scratched no matter what they do. I add the snare/slow song just to add insult to injury... and because I'm too lazy to run after a mob that's at 10% health.

[Arkis]

Hahaha <3 staff of writhing. That plus snare == infinite aggro. Tanked in royals from most of 45-50 due to lack of tanks at late hours.

[jilena]

You need a tank you let me know man. I will log on my ranger and show you how that shit is DONE. Bards and warriors pppfffftt... F that noise. Wolves fucking love me. Why? Because I can hold aggro.

Exactly.