Who can out white knight the other white knight?

[Happyfeet]

Next Trakanon should be left up for 24 hours for the rest of the server to attempt a kill. No TMO or FE can touch it or help another guild kill it, but the rest of the server can feel free to make this an open attempt or race each other, however they see fit.

I think we're at the point where this needs to be done at least once. We've done it for the outdoor dragons and the old world dragons. The time is now to let the up and coming guilds have their shot.

I'll start the petition with myself.

[finalgrunt]

That would be nice. But I won't hold my breath here, over the fact that it would actually happen the way you describe it.

[Tanthallas]

lol

[Yapas]

Next Trakanon should be left up for 24 hours for the rest of the server to attempt a kill. No TMO or FE can touch it or help another guild kill it, but the rest of the server can feel free to make this an open attempt or race each other, however they see fit.

I think we're at the point where this needs to be done at least once. We've done it for the outdoor dragons and the old world dragons. The time is now to let the up and coming guilds have their shot.

I'll start the petition with myself.

http://d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net/images/stash-1-50b667d8af200.gif

[finalgrunt]

Hmm, let me break this down.

FE agrees not to engage Trak for 24 hours, regardless of the outcome TMO claims complete credit for championing this magnanimous cause.

No agreement is reached to leave Trak up, FE is the villain for not going along with the plan.

I think everyone sees through the veneer of kindness you guys extend to the server. Why don't you offer up some more free dragons like Gore, who are more trouble than they are worth killing. That one went over big before everyone caught on.

And you forgot the part where TMO find a lame excuse to justify engaging and killing Trak after all, despite the agreement. Leaving a sour taste in smaller guilds' mouth which put some efforts into preparing for this. We've been there.

[Godefroi]

I applaud the idea of TMO stopping the trakanon cockblock with their 50+ trak tooth banked.

You will excuse us, we have a ZERG roster to key for VP still ;)

[Hailto]

lol

^^That is the proper response to this thread.

Regardless if it happens or not, either outcome makes TMO look good, and they don't have to attempt to contest the next Trak. Please don't insult everyone on this server with your thinly veiled charity Happyfeet.

[Yapas]

I applaud the idea of TMO stopping the trakanon cockblock with their 50+ trak tooth banked.

You will excuse us, we have a ZERG roster to key for VP still ;)

Okidoki
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lquofq5o1M1qb24p7o1_500.gif

[Godefroi]

I get quoted in Yapas' sig, bitch is in love :D

[getsome]

Next Trakanon should be left up for 24 hours for the rest of the server to attempt a kill. No TMO or FE can touch it or help another guild kill it, but the rest of the server can feel free to make this an open attempt or race each other, however they see fit.

I think we're at the point where this needs to be done at least once. We've done it for the outdoor dragons and the old world dragons. The time is now to let the up and coming guilds have their shot.

I'll start the petition with myself.

Add PD to your 24 hour list and I will anoint you white knight!

[Happyfeet]

Regardless if it happens or not, either outcome makes TMO look good, and they don't have to attempt to contest the next Trak. Please don't insult everyone on this server with your thinly veiled charity Happyfeet.

For proposing that other guilds get a chance at an encounter that they've never even attempted I'm the bad guy? Sorry for insulting you, whoever you are.

How does it make TMO look any better than FE? If they agree to it, it's a combined effort for the server as a whole.

FE agrees not to engage Trak for 24 hours, regardless of the outcome TMO claims complete credit for championing this magnanimous cause.

No agreement is reached to leave Trak up, FE is the villain for not going along with the plan.

I think everyone sees through the veneer of kindness you guys extend to the server. Why don't you offer up some more free dragons like Gore, who are more trouble than they are worth killing. That one went over big before everyone caught on.

What do you want then? Trak is easily kill-able, Gore is a bit tougher. Trak also drops better loot that will benefit said guilds.

[Godefroi]

For proposing that other guilds get a chance at an encounter that they've never even attempted I'm the bad guy? Sorry for insulting you, whoever you are.

How does it make TMO look any better than FE? If they agree to it, it's a combined effort for the server as a whole.



What do you want then? Trak is easily kill-able, Gore is a bit tougher. Trak also drops better loot that will benefit said guilds.

Add VP in the list, then sure ~

[Itap]

http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc464/meersburger/op-will-surely-deliver-lets-just-wait.jpg

[Tiggles]

Dumb idea because I hate the rest of the server.

[Rhambuk]

Dumb idea because I hate the rest of the server.

But we all love you tiggles!

[Mortiiss]

Sure, on a non-key mob, but not Trak.

You should become a DJ.

[zel]

For proposing that other guilds get a chance at an encounter that they've never even attempted I'm the bad guy? Sorry for insulting you, whoever you are.

Hahahaha, we have yet to even get an attempt on half the VP dragons, mainly because of the white knight abilities of the TMO train team. /wave Darkdeath, Necrious, Tortue, Sentenzia, Zeelot, etc..

I really can't believe the hypocritical bullshit that comes out of you and your guild.

[falkun]

If you are going to do it, Happy (and whomever represents TMO) should make BDA agree to, at the very least, not solo-kill Trak. Cuz you know if TMO or FE isn't socking Trak, BDA will probably get it. Make BDA split the kill/loot if your goal is to see other guilds get a chance at Trak.

[falkun]

err, whomever represents FE

[Halfelfbard]

Im with Happyfeet all the way. Wont even zone into seb this trak...enjoy Div/Flawless/taken, whoever else that hasn't killed it 10 times.

[Hailto]

FE close to entering VP, TMO decides to generously donate Trak to the rest of the server and encourages FE to do the same. You aren't fooling anyone guys, get the fuck out of here.

[Clark]

Next Trakanon should be left up for 24 hours for the rest of the server to attempt a kill. No TMO or FE can touch it or help another guild kill it, but the rest of the server can feel free to make this an open attempt or race each other, however they see fit.

I think we're at the point where this needs to be done at least once. We've done it for the outdoor dragons and the old world dragons. The time is now to let the up and coming guilds have their shot.

I'll start the petition with myself.

STFU stop tryna act like you're a good guy, you're filth :cool:

[quido]

no u r

[Frieza_Prexus]

I think this is the part where we recognize that neither side is willing to give up mobs right now and that any suggestions of the sort are simply posturing with bluffs that won't be called.

[finalgrunt]

But if you guys agreed to leave Sev, Inny, Fay, CT for smaller guilds every now and then, that would be awesome. Even once every 2 months, would allow for many people to get their fun.

[Tiggles]

It's a shame FE won't let smaller guilds kill trakanon.

[Tanthallas]

I think this is the part where we recognize that neither side is willing to give up mobs right now and that any suggestions of the sort are simply posturing with bluffs that won't be called.

lol

[kotton05]

It's a shame FE won't let smaller guilds kill trakanon.

LOL

Tiggle me this fatman!

Why the sudden change of heart?

[Otur]

Nothing can make TMO 'look good'. Only reason they'd agree to leave Trakanon is because they can't kill Trakanon. It's a trap!

[kotton05]

The OP offers 0% Rez after FE kills mobs infront of him.

I'm sure he's willing to share trak cause of the heat fe is all over his merb. I think they just out of trackers. I've yet to log in with Tmo engaged. We're only getting faster too.

[Nocte]

Why not step it all the way up? I'd like to see a dead-week where TMO and FE voluntarily don't take down *any* raid targets (this would not include getting raid-suspended). It's a pipe dream, but if you're going to suggest a white-knight contest, I say go cold-turkey on squabbling for a week.

[Nocte]

...and then repeat it every month.

[Mortiiss]

The OP offers 0% Rez after FE kills mobs infront of him.

I'm sure he's willing to share trak cause of the heat fe is all over his merb. I think they just out of trackers. I've yet to log in with Tmo engaged. We're only getting faster too.

Yeah, I'm sure he specifically targeted Trakanon, of all mobs, for no reason at all.

Very generous, LOL.

[dmann253]

The only reason TMO would leave a trak up at this point is that it's another week of FE not getting it. The absolute obsession with FE within a few TMO players is stunning, sad, and pathetic. However beyond a few that is not to say that TMO as a whole has the same views.





Ehmmcee

[Harmonium]

http://i.imgur.com/akR5P58.gif

[finalgrunt]

Why not step it all the way up? I'd like to see a dead-week where TMO and FE voluntarily don't take down *any* raid targets (this would not include getting raid-suspended). It's a pipe dream, but if you're going to suggest a white-knight contest, I say go cold-turkey on squabbling for a week.

Once every month is not realistic. But once every X months? Hell yeah! (And keep VP out of it obviously, no small guild has got a raid force keyed for it).

Please TMO & FE, do it!

[Clark]

Nothing can make TMO 'look good'. Only reason they'd agree to leave Trakanon is because they can't kill Trakanon. It's a trap!

+1 :D

[dmann253]

Once every month is not realistic. But once every X months? Hell yeah! (And keep VP out of it obviously, no small guild has got a raid force keyed for it).

Please TMO & FE, do it!


Why would a guild that is trying to force their way into vp to get some of the best items in the game have anything to do with this vs. the guild that lets their members bring in lvl 50 alts to scrape up rot weps. Seriously, the only thing that should be even spoken about at this point is epic mobs like VS, CT.

I don't have love for FE but if I was FE leadership there is no chance in hell I would allow teeth to go to some guild that will not use them when they are needed.

You fucking people that hope for this are blind to the shit TMO leaders are trying to pull on this community. They will do anything and everything to keep FE out of VP. Blind bullshit acts of faith forefronted with their own agenda helps nobody. FE should agree to this, and then kill him as they watch imo. It's no worse than their da stall tactics, and openly pulling him out of the lair so if they wipe they take out their rival as well. Scrub leaders that can't win within the confines of thier own guild are scrub. TMO is the epitome of this.



Ehmmcee

[quido]

You can not even imagine the lengths to which I will go to keep you RAG TAG RINKY DINK MOTHERFUCKERS out of our precious zone - suitcases of cash will be handed off, people will be blackmailed, and marshmallows will be eaten. This is war, bitches - you either ride with us or you collide with us.

[Mortiiss]

You can not even imagine the lengths to which I will go to keep you RAG TAG RINKY DINK MOTHERFUCKERS out of our precious zone - suitcases of cash will be handed off, people will be blackmailed, and marshmallows will be eaten. This is war, bitches - you either ride with us or you collide with us.

LOL

[Halfelfbard]

You can not even imagine the lengths to which I will go to keep you RAG TAG RINKY DINK MOTHERFUCKERS out of our precious zone - suitcases of cash will be handed off, people will be blackmailed, and marshmallows will be eaten. This is war, bitches - you either ride with us or you collide with us.

Sounds like 2pac fuck yeah!...2pac TMO mascot.

[Tanthallas]

You can not even imagine the lengths to which I will go to keep you RAG TAG RINKY DINK MOTHERFUCKERS out of our precious zone - suitcases of cash will be handed off, people will be blackmailed, and marshmallows will be eaten. This is war, bitches - you either ride with us or you collide with us.

All I can conclude from these keywords is that Tiggles is 2pac.

[finalgrunt]

Why would a guild that is trying to force their way into vp to get some of the best items in the game have anything to do with this vs. the guild that lets their members bring in lvl 50 alts to scrape up rot weps. Seriously, the only thing that should be even spoken about at this point is epic mobs like VS, CT.

I don't have love for FE but if I was FE leadership there is no chance in hell I would allow teeth to go to some guild that will not use them when they are needed.

You fucking people that hope for this are blind to the shit TMO leaders are trying to pull on this community. They will do anything and everything to keep FE out of VP. Blind bullshit acts of faith forefronted with their own agenda helps nobody. FE should agree to this, and then kill him as they watch imo. It's no worse than their da stall tactics, and openly pulling him out of the lair so if they wipe they take out their rival as well. Scrub leaders that can't win within the confines of thier own guild are scrub. TMO is the epitome of this.

Ehmmcee

Obviously, you haven't read me at all. I condemn the raid scene for what it is. It's everything but classic Everquest. However, whatever we say, TMO & FE will keep going at it, and server staff is ok with that. That said, 1 week of raid mobs, every X months, is not something that will change the balance of power between the two top guilds.
But the benefits would be huge. Most people playing in smaller guilds are not really looking for being filled with BiS, otherwise they would have joined a raiding guild. However, they will get a ton of fun doing some dragons & other raid targets once in a while. And if one or 2 people in small guilds can get their epics too in the process, all the better.

[Tasslehofp99]

Smaller guilds just needa start taking the initiative and going after mobs in an effort to get in on the fte lottos.

[finalgrunt]

Smaller guilds just needa start taking the initiative and going after mobs in an effort to get in on the fte lottos.

Come on. They would also need to create a lawyering section, a lobying section. Oh and recruit 200 people. Wouldn't be "smaller" guilds anymore.

Just once in a while, that's not asking for the moon is it? Are you all that immersed into this EMU server that you can't even imagine sharing 1 week worth of mobs (minus VP and Trak if you wish) every 2 or 3 months?

[Tiggles]

Come on. They would also need to create a lawyering section, a lobying section. Oh and recruit 200 people. Wouldn't be "smaller" guilds anymore.

Just once in a while, that's not asking for the moon is it? Are you all that immersed into this EMU server that you can't even imagine sharing 1 week worth of mobs (minus VP and Trak if you wish) every 2 or 3 months?

We tried and you "over socialist" complained about charity.

[Tiggles]

We tried and you "over socialist" complained about charity.

Pve socialists *

[finalgrunt]

We tried and you "over socialist" complained about charity.

No you didn't. I don't recall your guild ever offering a 1 week mobs for small guilds.

But it's not too late. Looks like you're ok with it, sooo .... think we could work the details?

[slappytwotoes]

Easy solution:

Let Flawless/Divinity/Taken kill Trak then /ran 100 between TMO and FE for the keys.

Smaller guilds would trade key pieces they'll never use for a Trak kill (and BPs) any day.

[Shinko]

wait why would we want bda to get trak?

[finalgrunt]

Moved discussion here:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=102284

Let's try to remain civil, this is a serious request :)

[Tiggles]

Easy solution:

Let Flawless/Divinity/Taken kill Trak then /ran 100 between TMO and FE for the keys.

Smaller guilds would trade key pieces they'll never use for a Trak kill (and BPs) any day.

I would rather have smaller guilds ally with us to race FE and give them all the loot minus keys then 50% random for teeth.

[Tiggles]

Moved discussion here:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=102284

Let's try to remain civil, this is a serious request :)

Responded

[Servellious]

Moved discussion here:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=102284

Let's try to remain civil, this is a serious request :)

This guy is foaming at the mouth

[Tiggles]

This guy is foaming at the mouth

This is why we can't have nice things

[slappytwotoes]

I don't really know you and you don't know me but I like you Tiggles =D

[Servellious]

This is why we can't have nice things

Why aren't we starting with something like naggy and vox and going from there.

[Tiggles]

Why aren't we starting with something like naggy and vox and going from there.

Maybe I don't see a problem with that.


Im not sure if people are that receptive because lots of people have dress up doll Naggy and vox alts that would go to waste.

And besides if div BDA or FC wanted Naggy it would be a lot harder to find sub 52s to kill it.

People want to raid on there mains

[slappytwotoes]

I would rather have smaller guilds ally with us to race FE and give them all the loot minus keys then 50% random for teeth.

I think it took me this long to realize the p1999 endgame has nothing to do with loot or killing dragons... its all about power.

Right now TMO has it, FE wants more, BDA lost whatever they had, and no other guild even plays the same game.

[Tiggles]

I think it took me this long to realize the p1999 endgame has nothing to do with loot or killing dragons... its all about power.

Right now TMO has it, FE wants more, BDA lost whatever they had, and no other guild even plays the same game.

Not gonna lie it's 100% that

IB had it

TMO wanted it

TMO took it and now we don't want to give it up

FE has to take it.


It's not about loot for us OR FE even thugh FE needs loot its core group are old raiding guild characters with tons of gear they just want to be on top.


This is why I would would give FC or FV or divinity any dragon they wanted. But they just want loot and not the power and they are not a threat to us.


A type personalities and crazy people are rampant in TMO and FE. if FE did not exist and let's say BDA and Divinity where 2 and 3 TMO would allow them to race most of the mobs and fight each other.


This is a very small server so it's easy to take a look at a guilds raiding base and see people who talked shit on you and trained you and mem blurred dragons on you when they where in the no.1 guild and a lot of our members don't want to give them an inch.

[47shadesofgay]

You're delusional.

[Tiggles]

You're delusional.

Agreed also how have you been? How's the kid

[Doors]

It's not about loot for us OR FE even thugh FE needs loot its core group are old raiding guild characters with tons of gear they just want to be on top.


Yeah, anyone playing classic everquest for "power" needs a shrink.

[Tiggles]

Yeah, anyone playing classic everquest for "power" needs a shrink.

Arnt you that guy who spends RL money on pixels?

[Doors]

Nope. Try again.

[gotrocks]

omg doors got his account unbanned?

:cheer:

[Servellious]

Not gonna lie it's 100% that

IB had it

TMO wanted it

TMO took it and now we don't want to give it up

FE has to take it.


It's not about loot for us OR FE even thugh FE needs loot its core group are old raiding guild characters with tons of gear they just want to be on top.


This is why I would would give FC or FV or divinity any dragon they wanted. But they just want loot and not the power and they are not a threat to us.


A type personalities and crazy people are rampant in TMO and FE. if FE did not exist and let's say BDA and Divinity where 2 and 3 TMO would allow them to race most of the mobs and fight each other.


This is a very small server so it's easy to take a look at a guilds raiding base and see people who talked shit on you and trained you and mem blurred dragons on you when they where in the no.1 guild and a lot of our members don't want to give them an inch.


Who is this old core with tons of gear you speak of, come on dude dont be delusional.

[Tiggles]

Who is this old core with tons of gear you speak of, come on dude dont be delusional.

Previous VDIB people or people who RMTd IBs accounts when they left the server.

[Autotune]

I wish all you faggots would die.

Give me mobs.
they want to give me mobs? must be trick.
Give me mobs.

You all are what's wrong with games these days, you giant faggoty faggots that should kill yourselves.

[chief]

grats fe on 2 fay;s in a row!!!11!!

[finalgrunt]

Well indeed, some players want to play here for a display of power, show how much more involved they can be.

Players on this server have come to the conclusion that's how it will be. What I'm requesting is just a small window left for others. We're only talking about less than 1 time out of 10. And that's even less since VP dragons would be excluded.

That would leave the 9 times out of 10 to all show and compare your respective power.

[Servellious]

Previous VDIB people or people who RMTd IBs accounts when they left the server.

Not going alarti proof on you but seriously WHO are these core well geared people speak of.

[falkun]

Not going alarti proof on you but seriously WHO are these core well geared people speak of.

Seriously?
Talenos, Anthrax, Lacie, Maultriss, Nlaar, Culprit, Chowda, Shinko, Sloan, Chest, Me, and that's who I can name in 10seconds. Not to call you an idiot Kagok, but you are sounding seriously new to the party here.

[Servellious]

Who is talking about BDA? He said Fe's core is well geared. I would say majority of our core needs tons of upgrades still

[falkun]

He said "VDIB". That core is split between FE and BDA. Most in that group need less than 3 raid upgrades outside of VP.

[Servellious]

The first time I quoted him it was Fe's core. Now we are talking about a core of 2 separate guilds.

All I'm saying is who are these well geared fe core players that only want to be on top and don't need any legitimate upgrades?

[falkun]

I had 6 FE in that list of 11, I'm sure I could list more if I bothered learning FE's general raid structure. And those were members that were mostly geared PRIOR to FE, not in the 5 months FE has been acquiring upgrades.

Then there is Zyryn, Yendor, Gats, Franswa, Laboomer (just needs a VS staff!), Joroz, Ravager, Nester, Bisch, Zapatos, Myuharin, Brutillus, Isoka. Most of those names don't play as much anymore, but they are tagged either FE or BDA. Learn your roots, son. It doesn't take "BIS" to be "overgeared" for Kunark's raid scene, don't fool yourself.

[Servellious]

You crack me up learn my roots. It's good to see your playing again hope your helping BDA more than by just logging in for trak bat phones like before

[Happyfeet]

Well indeed, some players want to play here for a display of power, show how much more involved they can be.

Players on this server have come to the conclusion that's how it will be. What I'm requesting is just a small window left for others. We're only talking about less than 1 time out of 10. And that's even less since VP dragons would be excluded.

That would leave the 9 times out of 10 to all show and compare your respective power.

I'll join whatever guild is on the top at the drop of a hat.
P.S. I'm only here to flash my e-penis of raw power, arf, arf..

[Tanthallas]

I had 6 FE in that list of 11, I'm sure I could list more if I bothered learning FE's general raid structure. And those were members that were mostly geared PRIOR to FE, not in the 5 months FE has been acquiring upgrades.

Then there is Zyryn, Yendor, Gats, Franswa, Laboomer (just needs a VS staff!), Joroz, Ravager, Nester, Bisch, Zapatos, Myuharin, Brutillus, Isoka. Most of those names don't play as much anymore, but they are tagged either FE or BDA. Learn your roots, son. It doesn't take "BIS" to be "overgeared" for Kunark's raid scene, don't fool yourself.

Bolded are the only ones active in FE; and Franswa is me so you mineswell take that out as well, unless we are counting all my characters as the core of FE now.

[Servellious]

Sloan your my core

[arsenalpow]

Sloan your my core

You're.

Dummy.

[Servellious]

U guys know I spell almost as bad as Shinto

[Szeth1]

Szeth cannot be considered a geared raider core, as he should be rebanned for RMT. He was sold for hundreds of US dollars.

[arsenalpow]

U guys know I spell almost as bad as Shinto

I just assume that Shinko doesn't know how to write in English. He just face rolls on his keyboard and pretends its words.

[falkun]

I had 6 FE in that list of 11, I'm sure I could list more if I bothered learning FE's general raid structure. And those were members that were mostly geared PRIOR to FE, not in the 5 months FE has been acquiring upgrades.

Then there is Zyryn, Yendor, Gats, Franswa, Laboomer (just needs a VS staff!), Joroz, Ravager, Nester, Bisch, Zapatos, Myuharin, Brutillus, Isoka. Most of those names don't play as much anymore, but they are tagged either FE or BDA. Learn your roots, son. It doesn't take "BIS" to be "overgeared" for Kunark's raid scene, don't fool yourself.Bolded are the only ones active in FE; and Franswa is me so you mineswell take that out as well, unless we are counting all my characters as the core of FE now.
The original list of 11, bolded are/were in FE:
Seriously?
Talenos, Anthrax, Lacie, Maultriss, Nlaar, Culprit, Chowda, Shinko, Sloan, Chest, Me, and that's who I can name in 10seconds. Not to call you an idiot Kagok, but you are sounding seriously new to the party here.
To me, that looks like "6 in that list of 11." Then I list ex-VDIB later in that list, and you are correct, only an additional 3 are ex-VDIB. As far as franswa being you, its debatable if another character you own that needs very little upgrades counts as two players or one for core purposes. You could always lend that character to another player.

[Tanthallas]

Maultriss doesnt play

Culprit doesnt play

I play Chowda mostly, just like in BDA

That leaves Shinko Sloan and Talenos. You named the leadership pretty much (=

[Nune]

Why can't yall just wait for Velimus to raid Kunark and be an expansion pack behind the content like normal second tier raiding guilds on EQ1