TMO wipes on Trak, FE logs in and kills

[Mortiiss]

Nice attempt.

Sweet kill.

Loots: Cloak of Piety, Cobalt BP, 3x teeth

Daily tally:
FE:3
TMO: 0

[Mortiiss]

Sorry, make that 4 teeth.

[Servellious]

PREMIER

[Yun]

TMO dead guild

[Mortiiss]

Even your own guildmates were ashamed of that pitiful engage call:

http://i.imgur.com/i43jAGo.jpg

Why you rushing versus a shit tier guild???? Weird.....

[Hailto]

Hey now, TMO did get Draco today.....loll

[Versus]

u bad ass bros. Grats and all, but slow them jets

[Tiggles]

What a terrible day

You guys did good we need to beat some ass after this set of spawns

[Mortiiss]

u bad ass bros. Grats and all, but slow them jets

You reap what you sow.

[Servellious]

Man tiggles being so nice i cant even savor this really. although seeing alarti and holyspawn trying to fte snipe was comical.

[Tiggles]

Man tiggles being so nice i cant even savor this really. although seeing alarti and holyspawn trying to fte snipe was comical.

I never talk shit on legit kills you guys should know that by now.

I'm not Alarti


(I'm really just hoping I can app FE if TMO dies)

[Dagner]

we botched this one badly no doubt, no excuses... we'll do better next time hopefully!

[Versus]

I don't personally sow shit, Mortiiss. I don't act like a child in RnF.

[Hailto]

Yeah, you guys are being too good about this...need more rage.

[Tiggles]

Yeah, you guys are being too good about this...need more rage.

ur a butt grrrrr

[Mortiiss]

I don't personally sow shit, Mortiiss. I don't act like a child in RnF.

Wasn't in direct reference to you. I was just shedding light on the "calm down" comments you posted.

Speaking of which, where's Alarti and Eccezan? I saw you trying snipe that FTE haha. That was so cute.

Thanks for the props for all the non-fags in TMO. Much appreciated <3.

[arsenalpow]

I don't personally sow shit, Mortiiss. I don't act like a child in RnF.

This is what I don't understand about TMO members. You're a part of a group of people that strive to attain pixels at any cost thus griefing numerous people off the server but you say "well that's just my guild, I'm not like that." Eabon has even said that he's been "distancing" himself from TMO; by being a part of TMO and facilitating their chincanery you're condoning the groups behavior whether you agree with that behavior or not.

I'll let a RnF troll make a nazi party analogy.

[Hackscendence]

http://www.shareimages.com/image.php?62955-pJqbl5WfnZymmKGSnac-eccezan.jpg

[Enygma]

This is what I don't understand about TMO members. You're a part of a group of people that strive to attain pixels at any cost thus griefing numerous people off the server but you say "well that's just my guild, I'm not like that." Eabon has even said that he's been "distancing" himself from TMO; by being a part of TMO and facilitating their chincanery you're condoning the groups behavior whether you agree with that behavior or not.

I'll let a RnF troll make a nazi party analogy.

^ sad his guild died.

[cyryllis]

yeah wish i was home for trak, but robe of azure sky, shroud of veeshan, and yunnbs earring were nice today. too bad you never actually compete in vp

[Hackscendence]

http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/12340526/img/12340526.jpg

[Rhambuk]

How low did you guys get him? and what was the issue, if thats something you want to discuss?

Not enough when you engaged? or did he just get a lucky round and drop your tank? chain issues?

[Rhambuk]

Just out of curiosity.

[cyryllis]

FE doesnt like to count VP dragons cause their score is always 0

[Alarti0001]

Hey now, TMO did get Draco today.....loll

PD and Nex too !

[Alarti0001]

How low did you guys get him? and what was the issue, if thats something you want to discuss?

Not enough when you engaged? or did he just get a lucky round and drop your tank? chain issues?

we forgot to batphone and engaged... no reinforcements damnnnnnn son

[Servellious]

How low did you guys get him? and what was the issue, if thats something you want to discuss?

Not enough when you engaged? or did he just get a lucky round and drop your tank? chain issues?

They ran in with low numbers called an early engage to stall, and i think the trak AoE just caught up to them.

[kotton05]

ouch its a rough engage w/o a batphone im sure. that sucks. as for not competing in vp, you think we just killin trak for funnn!=-P

The new trak is fun man, really unforgiving and is a serious cluster fuck

[Alarti0001]

ouch its a rough engage w/o a batphone im sure. that sucks. as for not competing in vp, you think we just killin trak for funnn!=-P

The new trak is fun man, really unforgiving and is a serious cluster fuck

you got like 65+ keys now.... what more do you need?

[Servellious]

Alarti inc with the derp, tmo bragging about killing stuff that are not challenged on atm.

As for the draco kill you should work on your pull team, did it really take you guys 10 attempts to pull draco or were you guys purposefully raid interfering by starting DT cycles to stall FE?

[Rhambuk]

Boo, better luck next time guys. Congrats FE.

WTB Cobalt BP =p

[arsenalpow]

Alarti inc with the derp, tmo bragging about killing stuff that are not challenged on atm.

As for the draco kill you should work on your pull team, did it really take you guys 10 attempts to pull draco or were you guys purposefully raid interfering by starting DT cycles to stall FE?

Of course it's to stall. Vandalize has a fraps of the last CT we went to where we had 30ish in zone and TMO starts a DT cycle with 4 in zone. At least y'all have the numbers to ride something like that out.

[Alarti0001]

Alarti inc with the derp, tmo bragging about killing stuff that are not challenged on atm.

As for the draco kill you should work on your pull team, did it really take you guys 10 attempts to pull draco or were you guys purposefully raid interfering by starting DT cycles to stall FE?

You sound mad... as usual. Plenty of those DT cycles were started by you guys... do you live in some parallel universe?

[Alarti0001]

Alarti inc with the derp, tmo bragging about killing stuff that are not challenged on atm.

As for the draco kill you should work on your pull team, did it really take you guys 10 attempts to pull draco or were you guys purposefully raid interfering by starting DT cycles to stall FE?

You have more than enough keys to challenge us btw... you refuse to... because either you can't or you scared bro

[Tanthallas]

Go away Alarti.

[Tiggles]

Go away Alarti.

[Tippett]

looks like the cycle of rotating top guilds continues

[Nirgon]

Need to ensure Trak has a 0.0 casted life tap. Having rune up shouldn't prevent it.

Trak almost classic..

[Alarti0001]

Go away Alarti.

Sooo mean.. !

[Servellious]

You have more than enough keys to challenge us btw... you refuse to... because either you can't or you scared bro

Step by step, fail trolls at forcing our guilds moves wont work. When this guild is primed and rdy dont worry im sure both of us will hate the 8 hours train wars for a pixel. Unless u enjoy have time for those things.

[Tippett]

tbh i think the guys who already have the pixels wont last nearly as long as those hungry for them in that scenario

[Clark]

Hey now, TMO did get Draco today.....loll

wtb bone razor

[Loly Taa]

Sorry, make that 4 teeth.

Congratulations on Trak!

I hope to see those four teeth put to good use soon!

[Mortiiss]

:)

[Autotune]

Congratz on the server's 9,001th Trakanon kill.

[Tanthallas]

Congratz on the server's 9,001th Trakanon kill.

Congrats on continuing to comment on all of the servers 9,001 Trakanon kills.

[Speedling]

Who the fuck cares.

[Mortiiss]

Who the fuck cares.

http://i.imgur.com/4qJdmoi.jpg

[Autotune]

Who the fuck cares.

exactly.

[Scowlie]

5/5 thread

would read again

[Mortiiss]

Doesn't care.

Posts in thread.

/logic

[Autotune]

Doesn't care.

Posts in thread.

/logic

I care about RnF, not the trakanon experience that you all just did that was a replay of a replay of a replay of a replay of a replay that happened several times before of a replay. You seriously can't count the amount of times a guild has rushed trakanon and died on p99 due to whatever the fuck reason.

Want to see VP battles, least that's only happened a dozen or so times.

[Mortiiss]

I care about RnF, not the trakanon experience that you all just did that was a replay of a replay of a replay of a replay of a replay that happened several times before of a replay. You seriously can't count the amount of times a guild has rushed trakanon and died on p99 due to whatever the fuck reason.

Want to see VP battles, least that's only happened a dozen or so times.

You all wanted to see a lot of stuff each month, you see more stuff each month, and you will continue to see more stuff. This won't change, and we'll be in VP. When? That's for us to know and TMO to find out.

[Loly Taa]

You all wanted to see a lot of stuff each month, you see more stuff each month, and you will continue to see more stuff. This won't change, and we'll be in VP. When? That's for us to know and TMO to find out.

this warms my cockles

[Tanthallas]

this warms my cockles

We all know you dont have cockles

[Loly Taa]

We all know you dont have cockles

I like you, you're fun.

[Mortiiss]

this warms my cockles

Pix.

[Loly Taa]

Pix.

Do you honestly want a picture of my penis?

I can do that, in fact it seems like a great idea atm.

[Scowlie]

Want to see VP battles, least that's only happened a dozen or so times.

Didn't you quit? :confused:

[Loly Taa]

Didn't you quit? :confused:

Could we ever quit you?

[Autotune]

Didn't you quit? :confused:

let me guess, I can't watch fraps because I don't log in?

[Mortiiss]

Do you honestly want a picture of my penis?

I can do that, in fact it seems like a great idea atm.

No, don't get too excited.

[Scowlie]

http://www.smartearningmethods.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/earn-money-on-farmville.jpg

[Loly Taa]

http://www.smartearningmethods.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/earn-money-on-farmville.jpg

take off the granny panties and set aside the crutches!

[Tippett]

autotune quit as soon as it was obvious tmo was down spiraling to the new zerg in town

[Loly Taa]

autotune quit as soon as it was obvious tmo was down spiraling to the new zerg in town

If we want to talk new zerg in town specifics....... I don't, but if you're asking..

[Scowlie]

autotune quit as soon as it was obvious tmo was down spiraling to the new zerg in town

http://tofusaur.us/src/ICE%20BURN.GIF

[Autotune]

autotune quit as soon as it was obvious tmo was down spiraling to the new zerg in town

Bwaha.

[Mortiiss]

I'm just surprised no one has said anything about fucking their girlfriend being the reason they missed Trakanon, honestly.

Where is Halfelfbard anyway? Figured he'd slobber in here by now.

[Kagatob]

I'm just surprised no one has said anything about fucking their girlfriend being the reason they missed Trakanon, honestly.

Lies.

[quido]

http://www.msu.edu/~oconne53/jeremysgf.jpg

[Mortiiss]

Now we're talking.

[Scowlie]

http://www.msu.edu/~oconne53/jeremysgf.jpg

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5169992704/hC58B498B/

msu.edu

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5169992704/hC58B498B/

[quido]

i no, dicktaters.net is a better domain

[AenarieFenninRo]

http://www.msu.edu/~oconne53/jeremysgf.jpg

Jeremy, you saying you were busy motorboating?

[Kagatob]

Jeremy, you saying you were busy motorboating?

Aren't breasts required on a woman to be able to motorboat?

[Godefroi]

Hey Pals,

We actually badly need CTs, traks and VS's still.

I'm glad you guys can still have VP unchallenged after having it on pharm status for a year, unchallenged as well.

We have everything outside VP still in our focus. Taunting us is great as it motivates us, when we are done taking all those mobs outside VP from you and get everyone their needs, VP will be our focus, we will have about 90 to 100 keys then.

Keep taunting us, we have screenshoted all the quotes, photoshoped them will ultra modified real life pictures, our first PD kill is going to be a RnF firework, this, I can promise :D

[Hailto]

Five star thread.

[Yapas]

VP will be our focus, we will have about 90 to 100 keys then.

Ahaha Massive zerg

[Cochonou]

Care to let us know how many keys you count in your ranks TMO ? It's way over this number.

Anyway yeah, FE is zerging right now, and they get the kills. Just like TMO zerged those targets against IB back in the days to get their first kills. Just like IB and VD joined to zerg to compete against TMO's Zerg force.

So go ahead Yapas, keep laughing at FE for zerging targets, you are just laughing at your guild history (which you really have no idea of)

[Cochonou]

Jeremy, you saying you were busy motorboating?

I think he is saying he was busy writing his name on a googled image through MS Paint instead of throwing packets at you FE to slow you logging in.

[Godefroi]

So go ahead Yapas, keep laughing at FE for zerging targets, you are just laughing at your guild history (which you really have no idea of)

Forgive this clueless vocal fuck, just gotta be a clueless vocal fuck :D

[Cochonou]

Stop spreading lies Visc ! Everyone know it's barely impossible to be vocal with balls that deep in the throat

[Autotune]

Care to let us know how many keys you count in your ranks TMO ? It's way over this number.

Anyway yeah, FE is zerging right now, and they get the kills. Just like TMO zerged those targets against IB back in the days to get their first kills. Just like IB and VD joined to zerg to compete against TMO's Zerg force.

So go ahead Yapas, keep laughing at FE for zerging targets, you are just laughing at your guild history (which you really have no idea of)

IB couldn't kill VP dragons (the deadly ones) unless they weren't AEing at one point because they lacked members. TMO and IB actually had a roster that was similar in size, IB's just didn't log in anymore and they lost at recruiting. IB's own recruiting standards and TMO's drive to keep them from getting more recruits = IB having to team up with VD.

In short, IB/TR was a zerg force before they teamed up with VD, the zerglings just didn't log in anymore.

[falkun]

Ahaha Massive zerg

TMO wipe to gore with 70 again? Or was it 80? You really need a history lesson.

[Autotune]

TMO wipe to gore with 70 again? Or was it 80? You really need a history lesson.

no different than ib/vd

[falkun]

no different than ib/vd

You and I are not arguing. But to think you can remain #1 on this server without a zerg is laughable unless the raiding meta-game changes.

[Autotune]

You and I are not arguing. But to think you can remain #1 on this server without a zerg is laughable unless the raiding meta-game changes.

I don't think that. Everyday they staff make it more and more tuned for zerg guilds, that is quite obvious with the recent variance change.

[Godefroi]

I don't think that. Everyday they staff make it more and more tuned for zerg guilds, that is quite obvious with the recent variance change.

http://www.abload.de/img/yes_jack_nicholson9ijhm.gif

[falkun]

I don't think that. Everyday they staff make it more and more tuned for zerg guilds, that is quite obvious with the recent variance change.

Exactly, the server code has been altered from classic to encourage zerg-sized guilds. So to remain #1 on this server, a guild must spawn more overlords.

[radditsu]

http://i.imgur.com/QLCLr0F.jpg

This just in: FE performing hostile takeover of Project 1999. TMO in butthurt sadness RMT's their guildbank and moves to The Hidden Forest, after EQMAC rejects their application for Asylum. More on this at the hour.

[radditsu]

Thats right, TMO just got CRONKITED!

[Raavak]

Bah, I was busy last night IRL. If I was there I woulda taken it down myself.

[47shadesofgay]

tbh i think the guys who already have the pixels wont last nearly as long as those hungry for them in that scenario

The same mistake keeps repeating itself, seems nobody learns. I hope FE breaks this cycle and ushers in an era of good feelings between raiding guilds on this server.

I find it extra humerous TMO is so hellbent on ruining their public image and having their leader openly stating that he loves "training" and "griefing" and that they are the most fun he has in this game. What a sociopath.

Feel bad for the good TMO that deal with people like Alarti being the face of their guild, but what are you gonna do?

[47shadesofgay]

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5169992704/hC58B498B/

msu.edu

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5169992704/hC58B498B/

Take it easy bro, not everybody is Ann Arbor material.

Zeelot also attended MSU I believe. Loly probably went to EMU or some shit.

[Mortiiss]

The same mistake keeps repeating itself, seems nobody learns. I hope FE breaks this cycle and ushers in an era of good feelings between raiding guilds on this server.

I find it extra humerous TMO is so hellbent on ruining their public image and having their leader openly stating that he loves "training" and "griefing" and that they are the most fun he has in this game. What a sociopath.

Feel bad for the good TMO that deal with people like Alarti being the face of their guild, but what are you gonna do?

We are all for cooperation, but respect is earned and not given. I get that bit, and despite what they say or do we'll continue to progress as a guild on p99. You can be damned sure of that. In fact, every time Alarti, Alawen, Eccezan, or any of those lot try to slight or belittle us, we use as motivation to win even harder with.

Rome wasn't built in a day.

[radditsu]

The same mistake keeps repeating itself, seems nobody learns. I hope FE breaks this cycle and ushers in an era of good feelings between raiding guilds on this server.

I find it extra humerous TMO is so hellbent on ruining their public image and having their leader openly stating that he loves "training" and "griefing" and that they are the most fun he has in this game. What a sociopath.

Feel bad for the good TMO that deal with people like Alarti being the face of their guild, but what are you gonna do?

FE has always been willing to work with other guilds. We aren't the assholes who go into guild summits and ask "when's velious coming out?" not get a good answer and then drop the MIC and bitch out. We don't intentionally train guilds for a shot at Maestro. A great deal of us have been steamrolled by their more sociopathic members and are tired of it. We even have like, female officers, nice ones too!

[47shadesofgay]

Saying it is one thing, but once TMO is a non-factor here in a couple of months I hope to see you guys working out agreements with other guilds capable of downing targets such as Divinity.

If for no other reason, then your own self-preservation because otherwise the cycle continues and then you will become the hated target!

TMO used to claim the same thing.. they claimed TR/IB was an evil empire (still do to this day.. scapegoat much?) and once TMO was on top the server would be better off and TMO would work with other guilds. Look how that played out.

Anyway, lots of words here.. guess I'm just trying to say I hope a change of the guard changes the raid scene for the better of the server as a whole and not just the people at the top of the raid scene!

The future looks bright. :)

[falkun]

<3 Maultriss

[47shadesofgay]

Oh, and please for the love of God don't use that old TMO excuse of "we had to earn it the hard way, you should have to as well"

That is not working out well for them at all, nor have they "earned" much of anything they now have as FE is currently showing them how inferior they are.

Keep up the good work.

[Cecily]

If for no other reason, then your own self-preservation because otherwise the cycle continues and then you will become the hated target!


Things will be different with FE in charge. Now get back to the mines!

http://children-of-the-lamp.wikispaces.com/file/view/Labor_Camp.jpg/105114013/Labor_Camp.jpg

[Godefroi]

Watching a VP capable guild, taunting the sith outta us as much as they can now that we make atempts at dragons in there, well, watching them wipe on trakanon and then killing it on their dead sorry asses was as entertaining as this video :

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[kotton05]

Ahaha cant pull maestro

[Alarti0001]

Man tiggles being so nice i cant even savor this really. although seeing alarti and holyspawn trying to fte snipe was comical.

I was trying to fte snipe? Really? LOL

[Nirgon]

Gore? Haven't you read all the classic strategies? You just gotta stack 500 cold per all the raid guides.

Well, you can do that here lol.

Here's a good start (http://wiki.project1999.org/Seahorse_Scale_Cloak).

[kotton05]

I was trying to fte snipe? Really? LOL

Alarti was on the grassy knoll & may have knocked down the towers

[maverixdamighty]

I was trying to fte snipe? Really? LOL

no sig change? Thought it was pointed out a lannister always pays their debts..

[Hailto]

Care to let us know how many keys you count in your ranks TMO ? It's way over this number.

Anyway yeah, FE is zerging right now, and they get the kills. Just like TMO zerged those targets against IB back in the days to get their first kills. Just like IB and VD joined to zerg to compete against TMO's Zerg force.

So go ahead Yapas, keep laughing at FE for zerging targets, you are just laughing at your guild history (which you really have no idea of)

Owned.

[Mortiiss]

Saying it is one thing, but once TMO is a non-factor here in a couple of months I hope to see you guys working out agreements with other guilds capable of downing targets such as Divinity.

If for no other reason, then your own self-preservation because otherwise the cycle continues and then you will become the hated target!

TMO used to claim the same thing.. they claimed TR/IB was an evil empire (still do to this day.. scapegoat much?) and once TMO was on top the server would be better off and TMO would work with other guilds. Look how that played out.

Anyway, lots of words here.. guess I'm just trying to say I hope a change of the guard changes the raid scene for the better of the server as a whole and not just the people at the top of the raid scene!

The future looks bright. :)

I could sit here and argue our position to you and make bold claims, but I'm not going to do that. Instead, we're just going to go do it.

Talk is cheap, so I'll just let the actions speak.

[kotton05]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/d378bdaa516a0a59de9daedf8c8deb35/tumblr_miyoy8fYzF1qa4ihzo4_r1_500.gif

[Splorf22]

Actually FE/TMO mirror each other very well.

1. Uberguild [TR/TMO] dominates the raiding scene, is faster at mobilization etc and has gotten 90% of all boss mobs for months

2. Hungrier players [TMO/FE] decide those P1999 pixels are worth getting up at 3AM and start tracking and batphoning

3. Uberguild still gets everything

4. New guild zerg recruits everyone with a pulse, bringing 60-80 players to raids

5. Uberguild laughs at zerg guild, but meanwhile their attendance drops a bit since after all they are mostly farming for alts at this point

6. New guild begins to figure things out and gets some kills (because after all EQ raiding is not hard; you can't really be that much more skilled than the next guy, unless you are in the A-Team).

7. Old guild finally collapses as people just don't care enough to log in any more, complains about corrupt GM and RMTs out to Eqmac.

8. New guild prunes away some of the worse players in their zerg, gears everyone up, and laughs at the casual guilds.

9. See step 1.

Of course 7-9 have not happened to TMO yet :D

[Mortiiss]

Actually FE/TMO mirror each other very well.

1. Uberguild [TR/TMO] dominates the raiding scene, is faster at mobilization etc and has gotten 90% of all boss mobs for months

2. Hungrier players [TMO/FE] decide those P1999 pixels are worth getting up at 3AM and start tracking and batphoning

3. Uberguild still gets everything

4. New guild zerg recruits everyone with a pulse, bringing 60-80 players to raids

5. Uberguild laughs at zerg guild, but meanwhile their attendance drops a bit since after all they are mostly farming for alts at this point

6. New guild begins to figure things out and gets some kills (because after all EQ raiding is not hard; you can't really be that much more skilled than the next guy, unless you are in the A-Team).

7. Old guild finally collapses as people just don't care enough to log in any more, complains about corrupt GM and RMTs out to Eqmac.

8. New guild prunes away some of the worse players in their zerg, gears everyone up, and laughs at the casual guilds.

9. See step 1.

Of course 7-9 have not happened to TMO yet :D

I love how people say we zerg shit down, but we've killed and made attempts at mobs with much less than 60-80 people historically speaking...

Might wanna get your facts checked out.

[kotton05]

Unless you're in a team. Hah get over yourself. Only attempts that have 30ish+ are ct attempts and kills.

[Splorf22]

Unless you're in a team. Hah get over yourself. Only attempts that have 30ish+ are ct attempts and kills.

1. The A-Team thing was a joke, but I guess it's not so obvious when you take rnf so seriously

2. And yes FE is a zerg guild. I'm sorry if this offends you, but the EQ endgame was designed for ~24 players - and if you brought more, half your raid force would disconnect on their 56k modems. For kicks I checked your home page where you have a picture of your guild killing Trakanon with ~35 players visible and possibly more who were involved.

Don't be too discouraged; it's simply not possible to succeed at raiding with P1999 variance without a huge number of warm bodies. TMO was bringing 50+ to Trakanon two years ago.

[Tanthallas]

And yes FE is a zerg guild. I'm sorry if this offends you, but the EQ endgame was designed for ~24 players - and if you brought more, half your raid force would disconnect on their 56k modems. For kicks I checked your home page where you have a picture of your guild killing Trakanon with ~35 players visible and possibly more who were involved.

Dont be a fool. This is not classic EQ endgame, where people allow other people to have 'goodwill' attempts or GMs enforce them. It is not possible to consistently kill anything on this server unless your guild is large enough to draw from a pool of players that is much larger than what was necessary in classic.

This is why the A-team does not kill anything and wont kill anything unless they go into VP with TMO like they have been. Grats though, on those pixels. Solo artist challenge in VP?

[Servellious]

Actually FE/TMO mirror each other very well.

1. Uberguild [TR/TMO] dominates the raiding scene, is faster at mobilization etc and has gotten 90% of all boss mobs for months

2. Hungrier players [TMO/FE] decide those P1999 pixels are worth getting up at 3AM and start tracking and batphoning

3. Uberguild still gets everything

4. New guild zerg recruits everyone with a pulse, bringing 60-80 players to raids

5. Uberguild laughs at zerg guild, but meanwhile their attendance drops a bit since after all they are mostly farming for alts at this point

6. New guild begins to figure things out and gets some kills (because after all EQ raiding is not hard; you can't really be that much more skilled than the next guy, unless you are in the A-Team).

7. Old guild finally collapses as people just don't care enough to log in any more, complains about corrupt GM and RMTs out to Eqmac.

8. New guild prunes away some of the worse players in their zerg, gears everyone up, and laughs at the casual guilds.

9. See step 1.

Of course 7-9 have not happened to TMO yet :D

Where does TMO adding dps monks like yapas who did absolutely crap in BDA and does just as little in TMO fit in?

[Splorf22]

Don't be too discouraged; it's simply not possible to succeed at raiding with P1999 variance without a huge number of warm bodies. TMO was bringing 50+ to Trakanon two years ago.

Dont be a fool. This is not classic EQ endgame, where people allow other people to have 'goodwill' attempts or GMs enforce them. It is not possible to consistently kill anything on this server unless your guild is large enough to draw from a pool of players that is much larger than what was necessary in classic.

Huge reading comprehension fail there Sloan.

[Tanthallas]

Read what I quoted from you again.

Zerg is a relative term, not an absolute. It implies using far more than necessary to achieve success within a GIVEN environment. You seem to think that you can pretend the environment does not exist, as if this were classic EQ raiding.

To achieve success on this server in terms of endgame raiding, what could be considered a zerg in classic EQ is necessary here. That does not make the encounters less challenging, it simply shifts the aspect of the encounter that is challenging. Getting a clean engage and mobilization are the challenging aspects of raiding here, NOT killing shit.

[Splorf22]

No, zerg is an absolute term because the strength of the mobs doesn't change. For example in your video on the home page everyone just charges in and fights Trakanon and the protector at the same time. I'm guessing a skilled and well-geared force could kill Trakanon with 15 instead of 35. When I was in VD we would charge CT in the same retarded way and all the enchanters/bards would attempt to CC the whole zone as he summoned them. CT is probably doable with 10 rather than 30+ if those 10 clear the zone first. My point is that with the way the raid scene works, there simply isn't time to do anything fancy, so everyone just relies on numbers and gear rather than any type of strategy. Hence the term zerg. But yes, I agree it is just about the only way to kill stuff on project 1999. Personally I just don't enjoy it which is why I left VD.

P.S. I have to say I'm a little surprised you guys are so feisty over what is basically a favorable comparison to you

[dragonfists]

CT is probably doable with 10 rather than 30+ if those 10 clear the zone first. My point is that with the way the raid scene works, there simply isn't time to do anything fancy, so everyone just relies on numbers and gear rather than any type of strategy. Hence the term zerg. But yes, I agree it is just about the only way to kill stuff on project 1999. Personally I just don't enjoy it which is why I left VD.

This is true

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think many in FE here are just fiesty because FE has been the underdog and has been shit on by TMO for the past few months. So not a big fan and now that we're turning the tide you're right, we do require the warm bodies to kill and most all encounters are rush-to-kill. I guess the difference in what you're saying is zerg is a undefined # of players in that rush-to-kill. FE has killed mobs w/ a minimal raid force before (gg 4am pop's) and so has TMO. But both have the member base now to get more than whats necessary to kill a mob. We still despise TMO as a guild and we also dislike the current culture on the server. So by your steps you would put us at step 6. But IF we follow 7 and 8 is another story. We would have to be greedy a-holes once TMO is gone to try to muscle out every other lower guild. I am pretty confident once TMO is gone there will be some talks about how to make the server better with the guilds as we already have tried to do in the past.

[Kagatob]

Actually FE/TMO mirror each other very well.

1. Uberguild [TR/TMO] dominates the raiding scene, is faster at mobilization etc and has gotten 90% of all boss mobs for months

2. Hungrier players [TMO/FE] decide those P1999 pixels are worth getting up at 3AM and start tracking and batphoning

3. Uberguild still gets everything

4. New guild zerg recruits everyone with a pulse, bringing 60-80 players to raids

5. Uberguild laughs at zerg guild, but meanwhile their attendance drops a bit since after all they are mostly farming for alts at this point6. New guild begins to figure things out and gets some kills (because after all EQ raiding is not hard; you can't really be that much more skilled than the next guy, unless you are in the A-Team).

7. Old guild finally collapses as people just don't care enough to log in any more, complains about corrupt GM and RMTs out to Eqmac.

8. New guild prunes away some of the worse players in their zerg, gears everyone up, and laughs at the casual guilds.

9. See step 1.

Of course 7-9 have not happened to TMO yet :D

I love how people say we zerg shit down, but we've killed and made attempts at mobs with much less than 60-80 people historically speaking...

Might wanna get your facts checked out.

Reading comprehension fail.

[xmonkx]

This is true

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think many in FE here are just fiesty because FE has been the underdog and has been shit on by TMO for the past few months. So not a big fan and now that we're turning the tide you're right, we do require the warm bodies to kill and most all encounters are rush-to-kill. I guess the difference in what you're saying is zerg is a undefined # of players in that rush-to-kill. FE has killed mobs w/ a minimal raid force before (gg 4am pop's) and so has TMO. But both have the member base now to get more than whats necessary to kill a mob. We still despise TMO as a guild and we also dislike the current culture on the server. So by your steps you would put us at step 6. But IF we follow 7 and 8 is another story. We would have to be greedy a-holes once TMO is gone to try to muscle out every other lower guild. I am pretty confident once TMO is gone there will be some talks about how to make the server better with the guilds as we already have tried to do in the past.

Objection. The counsel is speculating. He cant possible predict the future "if" (and thats a big "if") FE were to become the top guild on the server

[Servellious]

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P.S. I have to say I'm a little surprised you guys are so feisty over what is basically a favorable comparison to you[/QUOTE]

its because people like you and alawen who act as arm chair managers on RNF but are part of nothing you speak for, like p99 raiding. Spare me stories about your past, sound like a fat old high school qb bragging about what was done 15 years ago.

[Mortiiss]

P.S. I have to say I'm a little surprised you guys are so feisty over what is basically a favorable comparison to you

you can't really be that much more skilled than the next guy, unless you are in the A-Team).

I'm feisty over the high horse you sit atop. You're such a big deal, aren't you? Lol.

Everyone needs to sleep at night though, so its ok. ;)

[Alawen]

Huge reading comprehension fail there Sloan.

It's almost as if Sloan and his guild are full of people who are actually stupid.

The zerg has to pretend there is something special about them. Maintaining morale and the illusion that every member has a chance to get gear is paramount for continuing to draw those huge numbers.

My perspective is that there is simply not enough loot to keep 200 people consistently poopsocking. Whichever guild does not get a lion's share of loot will see attendance drop dramatically and become the de facto #2 guild or even fade completely. The victor will restrict recruiting to a lower level and atrophy numbers to a more manageable level until a challenger appears. The current time demands are unsustainable for either guild.

The pretense by FE of sharing spawns with other guilds will fade. Members show up for loot and will not tolerate giving that loot away.

Same old same old.

[Alawen]

I'm feisty over the high horse you sit atop. You're such a big deal, aren't you? Lol.

Everyone needs to sleep at night though, so its ok. ;)

I have never seen you make a comment that was not trite, witless, and borderline illiterate.

[Treats]

Getting a clean engage and mobilization are the challenging aspects of raiding here, NOT killing shit.

This is the main problem on the server.

Shit is just not hard enough because a lot of stuff still needs to addressed.

Fix difficulty.

Punish players for training on raid encounters (deliberate or not).

Until issues are resolved the FTE garbage that goes on here will never cease.

[arsenalpow]

FE is a zerg guild but there's nothing wrong with that. If the goal is to take targets from TMO then you have to zerg it up - fight fire with fire. TMO pulls 40 at 4am then FE needs to be able to do the same. The best way to facilitate that is to mass invite. If your batphone can pull 18-24 at any time of the day to go along with the 18-24 already in game you should always have the ability to compete for targets.

TMO/FE what is a fair yield from a batphone during off hours? Like 20% of the roster?

[maverixdamighty]

Accurate A+ would read again

i've seen 2 60+ FE members at 2 raid encounters since I joined. The last CT which was a guild first solo kill and I cant' recall the other.

[Mortiiss]

TMO/FE what is a fair yield from a batphone during off hours? Like 20% of the roster?

Nope, actually. The same people generally show up to our raids and the last 10-15 people can change from raid to raid. Our core raid group is strong and you see a lot of the same faces every raid, regardless of hours - we have this thing called dedication. I know people in other guilds (not naming any) don't have that level of dedication so would like to discredit us. It doesn't bother me though, its just simple human nature.

:)

[Mortiiss]

I have never seen you make a comment that was not trite, witless, and borderline illiterate.

And no one likes you.

[Alawen]

And no one likes you.

Q.E.D.

Argumentum ad populem for anyone keeping score.

[Tanthallas]

My point is that with the way the raid scene works, there simply isn't time to do anything fancy, so everyone just relies on numbers and gear rather than any type of strategy. Hence the term zerg.

Try killing CT without strategy with another guild in the zone at the same time that wants to do the same, then talk to me about strategy.

Fact of the matter is you care only about the difficulty of mobs under conditions where very little tactics or strategy is even necessary. Tactics and strategy are at their height when you cannot completely control the situations because another brain which you cannot read is trying to do the same - it is not being able to solo shit with puppet strings, bladestoppers, root nets, or whatever else plat can buy you, with only a regard for yourself and mechanics that you are well aware of.

[Mortiiss]

Q.E.D.

Argumentum ad populem for anyone keeping score.

No one is keeping score, except you. Just shows how much you fail - what's Alarti's penis taste like anyway, gaylord?

[47shadesofgay]

Try killing CT without strategy with another guild in the zone at the same time that wants to do the same, then talk to me about strategy.

Fact of the matter is you care only about the difficulty of mobs under conditions where very little tactics or strategy is even necessary. Tactics and strategy are at their height when you cannot completely control the situations because another brain which you cannot read is trying to do the same - it is not being able to solo shit with puppet strings, bladestoppers, root nets, or whatever else plat can buy you, with only a regard for yourself and mechanics that you are well aware of.

You make a good point, however it's also worth noting that every single mob currently in the game has 32k HP or less.

With a 40 man raidforce that comes out to each person at the raid needing to contribute only 800damage in order to down any single mob.

Raid skill really shows a little more once mobs that involve strategies that aren't "stack MR and zerg it down" begin to appear in the game.

[kotton05]

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I pity the fool

[Splorf22]

This is the main problem on the server.

Shit is just not hard enough because a lot of stuff still needs to addressed.

Fix difficulty.

This is the real problem I think. The content itself isn't challenging. Suppose for example:

1. We remove variance
2. All raid mobs start with 1000% (320,000) hp and they lose 15% hp per hour, capping at 100%. So if Trakanon spawns at midnight tuesday with 320,000 hp, by midnight wednesday he'd be at 640% hp (205,000 hp), by midnight thursday he'd be at 280% hp (just under 100k) and by noon on Friday he'd be back down to 32k hp.
3. Any tick where more than 30 players on a raid mob's hatelist, the remainder are randomly LDed.
4. Respawn is 24 hours, but no guild can kill any particular mob more than once per week.
5. Nerf the Donals BP for raid encounters

A lot of things would be nice:

1. No poopsocking, because most of your 150 man Trak poopsock would be immediately LDed and then the rest of the half afk poopsockers would be slaughtered by 640k hp Trakanon who probably isn't that much weaker than a Velious boss.
2. No more zerg guilds because you never need more than 30 players. Without variance guild membership caps at ~50 players rather than 150
3. Skilled guilds go first because they can kill the bosses earlier.
4. Actual bragging rights based on time (can add a death message 'this was a 15 hour Trakanon' which is obviously tougher than a 16 hour trakanon etc).

Of course this isn't classic at all.

P.S. Kagok: I'd like to participate in the raid scene, but I don't enjoy the way it's currently constructed. So I flame a little and have fun.

P.S. Mortiis: 95% of the time when I write stuff like that I'm joking, but I guess I need emoticons for you guys who take this game so seriously

[Splorf22]

Try killing CT without strategy with another guild in the zone at the same time that wants to do the same, then talk to me about strategy.

Fact of the matter is you care only about the difficulty of mobs under conditions where very little tactics or strategy is even necessary. Tactics and strategy are at their height when you cannot completely control the situations because another brain which you cannot read is trying to do the same - it is not being able to solo shit with puppet strings, bladestoppers, root nets, or whatever else plat can buy you, with only a regard for yourself and mechanics that you are well aware of.

I keep trying to figure out why you guys keep bringing the solo artist challenge in, and then this post made it clear. You guys think that as raiding guilds you should be top dogs and everyone else should be gazing up in awe at your poopsocking prowess.

P.S. What exactly is your brilliant strategy for trak? Stack PR and run in. You don't even train away the protector half the time.

[Splorf22]

(going for the dreaded hasbinbad triple post here)

And to be fair here, as I said I don't think it's possible to do anything clever when you are under such strict time limitations. Which is really my whole point; I don't have anything against you raiding types, I just don't like the system.

[maverixdamighty]

Your idea is awful. This is a classic server if you want that write your own code.

[kotton05]

you guys who take this game so seriously

I know your opinions are from your elitists/low number/solo mentality. If you wanted a fair shot WoW is the way to go. Where you can plan and have everything laid out before shit happens.

#1 Youre not a bad guy and I'm rather new here but I remember you bitching over a guild taking your "solo" fear attempt away. very seriously iirc
#2 none of us are that different in so called skill, some may understand class mechanics more than others but its not a HUGE learning curve.
#3 I just like numbers
#4 ;-) winky face just cuz

As for 320khp dragons during kunark, you don't think there would be a 200person guild just blowing stuff up? >.<

[Tanthallas]

P.S. What exactly is your brilliant strategy for trak? Stack PR and run in. You don't even train away the protector half the time.

Dont get trained by TMO.

[Funkutron5000]

Dont get trained by TMO.

Also don't train your own guild by having a pull fail by the paladin.

[Mortiiss]

P.S. Mortiis: 95% of the time when I write stuff like that I'm joking, but I guess I need emoticons for you guys who take this game so seriously

You just need to feel better. Its ok, I get it. /hug

[Fountree]

Your idea is awful. This is a classic server if you want that write your own code.

Hmmm...well this isn't a truly classic server. The mechanics are pretty close, the rules are pretty close, and the content is pretty much the same. I applaud the staff for this. But considering the time line our server is on for content release, it isn't comparable to live. EverQuest is supposed to be an evolving game, and the fact is the delay of content release is causing things to happen that never happened on live. Levels are skewed with most players at or around level 60, many with more than one account. Platinum inflation has occurred due to farmers who find themselves with nothing left to do; on top of that, raiders are finding they need to constantly gear alts/alt accounts to keep up with the necessities of the raid scene and keep the game fresh. There has also been a constantly shifting guild hierarchy due mostly to burnout... there are players who find themselves pretty much done with Kunark or sitting on 500k+pp with nothing to spend it on. This has happened with countless players, many of which were in-game friends that I miss!

Luckily some players return after a long break, finding the game fresh again...because after all, the gameplay of this game is so deep in comparison with most others that it's hard to stay away for too long! That's a reason why I personally still play.

I admit that we will continue to see ugly mudslinging in the raid scene even on velious release, but at least it will shake up the server and inject some more life into it for all levels. More stuff to do = better! ...Uhhh where was I going with this?

[White Ranger]

Nope, actually. The same people generally show up to our raids and the last 10-15 people can change from raid to raid. Our core raid group is strong and you see a lot of the same faces every raid, regardless of hours - we have this thing called ___________.

A.) Unemployment
B.) Virginity
C.) Diabetes
D.) All of the above

[Mortiiss]

A.) Unemployment
B.) Virginity
C.) Diabetes
D.) All of the above

u j bra?

[47shadesofgay]

A lot of things are going to change once Velious is out for a couple of reasons.

1. Mobs will have more than 32k hp. Because of this encounters cannot be spam-healed through. You're going to need 5-6 cleric CH rotations minimum for pretty much everything in NToV and Kael. This requires time to set up. When you batphone that Aaryonaar spawn, you're going to have to take a few minutes to get clerics online and a rotation established and make sure everyone is ready before engaging. These fights don't last 30 seconds, some of them are going to last 20+ minutes. Not fucking up, rushing engages quick and still beating people competing with you is going to be a challenge at 5am when your entire raidforce just woke up.

2. Strategies become more important. Some mobs are wicked simple, Vindi, Statue/Idol/Rallos etc. sure you put in a corner, have a tank on them, and ch rot that tank for 10 minutes while guild DPS's them down. Other mobs aren't as simple. Things in NToV do things like AE silence your raid, mana drain your raid, gravflux your raid into lava and have all sorts of nasty AE's and melee damage. You're going to have to be able to correctly position and manage that early morning batphone force into not fucking this up. Many of these mechanics do not currently exist on P99. Most encounters outside of VP consist of wearing MR/PR gear, and zerging something dead in 40 seconds while not being feared. Inside VP isn't much more difficult, you just have to deal with other guilds trains. Keep in mind point #1 when considering this.

3. Gearing up will be easier, and any guild can do it. The core gearsets consist of Dwarf gear, Giant gear, and Dragon gear. Any guild can obtain these, with faction and a couple of groups. This gear is vastly superior to pretty much everything in Kunark except PD drops. The 2 top end zones (ST/NToV) offer upgrades to this gear, but in ST case it's primairly weapons/non armor-set slots, and once you are geared up anyone capable can do NToV with enough numbers.

Before Velious guilds that aren't raiding VP or getting Trak BPs probably don't really have excellent gear that could help them with raid encounters. In Velious this gear becomes easily available to any guild on the server with only a few groups effort. It cannot be withheld from them.

That was a lot of words, the TL;DR version is this:
Anything before Velious is really just a zerg because mobs don't do anything special other than weak damage AE's or Fear outside of Trak/Vp. These mobs also have 32khp, so very little skill is required to actually kill them.

When Velious rolls around it begins rewarding people with "skill" who can do more, with less, and better than the other guys.

[Trollcake]

A lot of things are going to change once Velious is out for a couple of reasons.

1. Mobs will have more than 32k hp. Because of this encounters cannot be spam-healed through. You're going to need 5-6 cleric CH rotations minimum for pretty much everything in NToV and Kael. This requires time to set up. When you batphone that Aaryonaar spawn, you're going to have to take a few minutes to get clerics online and a rotation established and make sure everyone is ready before engaging. These fights don't last 30 seconds, some of them are going to last 20+ minutes. Not fucking up, rushing engages quick and still beating people competing with you is going to be a challenge at 5am when your entire raidforce just woke up.

2. Strategies become more important. Some mobs are wicked simple, Vindi, Statue/Idol/Rallos etc. sure you put in a corner, have a tank on them, and ch rot that tank for 10 minutes while guild DPS's them down. Other mobs aren't as simple. Things in NToV do things like AE silence your raid, mana drain your raid, gravflux your raid into lava and have all sorts of nasty AE's and melee damage. You're going to have to be able to correctly position and manage that early morning batphone force into not fucking this up. Many of these mechanics do not currently exist on P99. Most encounters outside of VP consist of wearing MR/PR gear, and zerging something dead in 40 seconds while not being feared. Inside VP isn't much more difficult, you just have to deal with other guilds trains. Keep in mind point #1 when considering this.

3. Gearing up will be easier, and any guild can do it. The core gearsets consist of Dwarf gear, Giant gear, and Dragon gear. Any guild can obtain these, with faction and a couple of groups. This gear is vastly superior to pretty much everything in Kunark except PD drops. The 2 top end zones (ST/NToV) offer upgrades to this gear, but in ST case it's primairly weapons/non armor-set slots, and once you are geared up anyone capable can do NToV with enough numbers.

Before Velious guilds that aren't raiding VP or getting Trak BPs probably don't really have excellent gear that could help them with raid encounters. In Velious this gear becomes easily available to any guild on the server with only a few groups effort. It cannot be withheld from them.

That was a lot of words, the TL;DR version is this:
Anything before Velious is really just a zerg because mobs don't do anything special other than weak damage AE's or Fear outside of Trak/Vp. These mobs also have 32khp, so very little skill is required to actually kill them.

When Velious rolls around it begins rewarding people with "skill" who can do more, with less, and better than the other guys.

Thanks for the skinny on a expansion everyone has played and knows about.

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[47shadesofgay]

My post wasn't intended to inform people about Velious.

It's to highlight how mind-numbingly simple killing any mob with 32k hp in 45 seconds is.
It's not really worth bragging about, nor does it show any amount of skill.