Ashes of Creation

[Jibartik]

I quit vanguard because druids couldnt wear leather

wtf kind of crap is that.

[Evia]

Vanguard was fun even though it was buggy. Brad still had the vision and it showed. It sucked that game didn’t get a fair chance! I had a Saracen or whatever they were called Ranger and I remember it was a legit adventure leaving my desert homeland and sailing the seas to arrive in a weird Hawaii area with a bunch of samurai peace and love hippy ninjas. Then I found a volcano with a secret entrance and discovered a named who dropped a scimitar that was so baller it was 2x the damage of my other weapon.

Every time I got a group I would hear similar stories like this from other players.

It was really a game with loads of potential but just lacked polish and funding.

[Shawk]

Ya same mistake as EQ2, And the "Uncanny Valley" which just doesn't look good and why it aged so badly in comparison to something more "retro" in today's standards like Everquest.

Back then though that was an elite group of people who could actually play Vanguard.. I didn't even bother I was on Warhammer Online or something because Everquest 2 was terrible for my computer.. Like 5-10FPS.. Not only that, these games were just bad in a way.. Way to ambitious and you would have need 10,000 players per server to actually see their potential. These grand cities with huge sprawling avenues are just silly given there is literally only at most 50 people in them.

Not to disrespect Brad or anything but when you watched him play, he was a terrible "player" of games, very slow, clicker style player.. It was a mix of luck and such that made EQ so good, it was just of the time and like a game like Ultima Online or Asheron's Call they have a more retro style that translates well today. There are a ton of good older pixelated games that translate well today, they just need upscaled to the newer resolutions really..

[Shawk]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I quit vanguard because druids couldnt wear leather

wtf kind of crap is that.

I remember in EQ2 I played up until level 20 I think it was on my Ranger. That is when you were finally allowed a bow (frustrating..)

Anyways I pull out my bow, Pull the string back and the Target started coming at me.. The target just agroed as soon as you readied your bow, had to quit that second lol.

Dark age of Camelot had the best archers of all time really imo.

[Penish]

luclin / pop era rangers were slick

[Bisonzabi]

Originally Posted by Shawk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remember in EQ2 I played up until level 20 I think it was on my Ranger. That is when you were finally allowed a bow (frustrating..)

Yeah that was the 1st year of EQ2. They overhauled how classes worked by Jan 2006 when the game was just over a year old by removing the entire archetype/class/sub-class system and allowing you to pick the class immediately upon creating a character. Cool concept, but not executed properly.

Originally Posted by Shawk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ya same mistake as EQ2, And the "Uncanny Valley" which just doesn't look good and why it aged so badly in comparison to something more "retro" in today's standards like Everquest.

EQ2 was a mixed bag in how some races looked. You had some great looking races like Ogres, than you had some god awful looking ones like Halfings that looked like they all suffered from down syndrome.

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Vanguard was fun even though it was buggy. Brad still had the vision and it showed. It sucked that game didn’t get a fair chance!

It did get a second chance. SoE pretty much saved it after MS decided to stop the funding it. Lot of the issues were due to Brad being a druggy complete absent while the team at Sigil didnt know what the fuck to do. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's a total shame. Hell I still have the CE of that game, but jesus it was a trainwreck from the very start.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Vanguard was fun even though it was buggy. Brad still had the vision and it showed. It sucked that game didn’t get a fair chance! I had a Saracen or whatever they were called Ranger and I remember it was a legit adventure leaving my desert homeland and sailing the seas to arrive in a weird Hawaii area with a bunch of samurai peace and love hippy ninjas. Then I found a volcano with a secret entrance and discovered a named who dropped a scimitar that was so baller it was 2x the damage of my other weapon.

Every time I got a group I would hear similar stories like this from other players.

It was really a game with loads of potential but just lacked polish and funding.

Yeah it was a great game. Agree 100% with your post