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Old 12-08-2024, 11:36 AM
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What about weekend warriors on a budget who cant swap in a primal to max dex? Can you really rely on procs outside of raids if you don't have crazy dex?
I went dwarf and put starting points into dex for this reason. Gear was focused on dex wherever reasonable. As such I didn’t have a hard time relying on buffs. Stamina was on the lower end but I wasn’t gearing to raid. As I have raided, unbuffed dex has drifted down but stamina has slingshotted up. Unbuffed dex is less important now as buffs are more or less always available.

But yes … warriors will rely on procs either way. For the non-raiders there are some very good, relatively cheap options such as frostbringer, WESS and the Sarnak stun hammer.
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Old 12-08-2024, 11:47 AM
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What about weekend warriors on a budget who cant swap in a primal to max dex? Can you really rely on procs outside of raids if you don't have crazy dex?

Something like a jade mace MH until you can get an infestation or crescend blade of luclin and frostbringer offhand?

Some people talked about frostbringer MH but I've seen that idea ripped on in other similar threads saying frostbringer's delay is just way too slow for a main hand. 18 delay weapons have better average damage and will generate more swing aggro.

I know for DPS 2hb beats almost any 1hb combo so if you can't rely on procs should you just go peacebringer/IFS/shovel to lean hard on white damage?
Infestation is not an agro weapon anymore, and peacebringer/ifs is monk only unfortunately. Shovel works great for goup agro. If you don't get any procs at least it does reasonable dps.
Mainhand frostbringer works OK, proc weapons for group content are always hit or miss. Someone Rooting the mob is the best group agro
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Old 12-08-2024, 11:55 AM
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Biggest challenge for the grouping warrior is the high likelihood that in any group these days you can plenty well plan on having to fight for aggro with raid twinks.

Frostbringer is exceptionally good in either hand if you only had to group with content-appropriate (gear wise) melee. It’s not gonna go so far with raid twink melees rocking KFlames, claws of lightning’s, batons etc.
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Old 12-08-2024, 12:22 PM
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peacebringer/ifs is monk only
My bad, staff of battle is what i was looking for. But now that I see the stats an exquisite velium battle axe/claidhmore would be a bit better without being crazy expensive.

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Biggest challenge for the grouping warrior is the high likelihood that in any group these days you can plenty well plan on having to fight for aggro with raid twinks.
Yeah I saw a rogue in KC with epic and horn of hsagra. Good luck. But even an IFS monk or a woodsman staff ranger would probably be rough.
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Old 12-08-2024, 01:13 PM
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I got a Staff of Battle recently and it really isn’t adequate for aggro in the 40s against the toons you’ll be grouping with. Fortunately twinks tend to be able to take hits well. Weaving offhand fist makes a surprising amount of difference (apparently it gets damage bonus in aggro even if not damage). I’ve ended up using wurmy and a js trident which seems to work better. On another toon Frostbringer and skean seem to work well in low 50s. That toon is just over 200dex unbuffed for reference.

I’m going to try out spade / truncheon of doom to see how they work (but the 40s war isn’t high enough to proc yet).
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Old 12-08-2024, 01:34 PM
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Trunch isn't great agro if your competing velious geared melee,but if your lacking a slow class its great either way.
Agro can bounce in groups it's not a big deal if the rogue takes a smack or 3
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Old 12-08-2024, 02:41 PM
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I've been pleasantly surprised in the past just how well trunch worked in groups where we needed a slow and didn't have a sham/ench.

Not great, but not terrible. Carried one in my bags forever. Finally sold it a month or 2 after I got a willsapper.
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Old 12-08-2024, 03:39 PM
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I've been pleasantly surprised in the past just how well trunch worked in groups where we needed a slow and didn't have a sham/ench.

Not great, but not terrible. Carried one in my bags forever. Finally sold it a month or 2 after I got a willsapper.
Yeah, it was a ranger with a swarmcaller that prompted me to get one, but honestly if a swarmcaller ranger is taking aggro that is probably fine cos they are tanky enough for slowed xp content anyway!
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Old 12-08-2024, 08:46 PM
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With poison hate nerfed and no raid equipment, I guess spade is the best? Maybe swiftblade x frostbringer is competitive? Keeping aggro as a warrior can be rough in pugs. Getting a couple rounds in for DPS jumps on the mob is my best advice. Takes all of 2 seconds to get a lead in hate.

Also, if you're not planning on raiding, I'd suggest basically any other class.
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Old 12-08-2024, 09:10 PM
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I would prob rather assume any other caster would help with that. You get a little hate from root but it presumes people understand proximity aggro (newsflash: They don’t). I’ve rooted stuff before and watched rangers and rogues so close it’s comical.

Sarnak warhammer is pretty good as is Frostbringer. Ykesha still generates a ton of hate and lands on blues.
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