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Old 10-05-2022, 09:33 PM
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Default Self found shaman

Hi all,

Still trying to decide on race but leaning toward barb.

Any advise wouls be awesome.


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Old 10-05-2022, 10:45 PM
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Barb is good for self funding because qhills and bandits.
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Old 10-06-2022, 12:12 AM
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If you're making the character because you like the look of a particular race, roll whatever you want

If you want to roll the best Shaman race you roll Ogre

It's not even close
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Old 10-06-2022, 12:19 AM
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Best overall. Troll.

Best soloer at 60. Ogre.

Best raider. Iksar

Best faction. Barb.

I went troll on mine, if I could do it over again I’d probably go iksar.
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Old 10-06-2022, 12:27 AM
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There are items in the game that give regen

There are no items in the game that give FSI

Ogre is the only choice
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Old 10-06-2022, 06:03 AM
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There are items in the game that give regen

There are no items in the game that give FSI

Ogre is the only choice
Not true at all. FSI is the most overrated crap unless you're doing extremely tough solo challenges. If OP has no aspirations to be a solo god and would rather have an easier time leveling, its troll or iksar...just pick based on looks (iksar kinda wins out with better starting zone).
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Old 10-06-2022, 10:24 PM
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Not true at all. FSI is the most overrated crap unless you're doing extremely tough solo challenges. If OP has no aspirations to be a solo god and would rather have an easier time leveling, its troll or iksar...just pick based on looks (iksar kinda wins out with better starting zone).
Yea I agree if you're picking based on looks and don't really care pick whatever race you want. Troll and Iksar would be ideal. The regen is nice, but FSI is like starting with an item that gives you a unique ability that no item or other race/class combo will ever have.

If you're trying to squeeze every last drop of power out of the shaman class you pick Ogre
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Old 01-23-2023, 12:12 AM
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There are items in the game that give regen

There are no items in the game that give FSI

Ogre is the only choice
Yeah FSI is a meme.

Once slowed something bashes once every 52 seconds. FSI is only good when you can back into a corner and not get push interrupted, but bad news, bash may not stun but it can interrupt regardless so, all in all, it's just overrated.

Now a free torpor once every 10 minutes, (with other effects like regrwoth and tunic it's a free torpor of hp every 3 minutes), that hands down is one of the best health/mana economies this game has in it.

It's really not even close.

The only real question is Troll Vs Iksar. Iksar has some pretty nice race stuff while troll gets bracer.

Honestly though at higher levels of soloing you don't use bracer as much and can pump out more damage using health to mana converstion which might give iksar the edge when its AC bonus (which is best AC bonus because it's dodge avoidance, not armor AC and so doesnt count towards the cap). Troll also has a higher stat bonus starting off.

The only reason to go Ogre is that you want a boatload of stats up front.
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Old 01-23-2023, 01:34 AM
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Yeah FSI is a meme.

Once slowed something bashes once every 52 seconds. FSI is only good when you can back into a corner and not get push interrupted, but bad news, bash may not stun but it can interrupt regardless so, all in all, it's just overrated.

Now a free torpor once every 10 minutes, (with other effects like regrwoth and tunic it's a free torpor of hp every 3 minutes), that hands down is one of the best health/mana economies this game has in it.

It's really not even close.

The only real question is Troll Vs Iksar. Iksar has some pretty nice race stuff while troll gets bracer.

Honestly though at higher levels of soloing you don't use bracer as much and can pump out more damage using health to mana converstion which might give iksar the edge when its AC bonus (which is best AC bonus because it's dodge avoidance, not armor AC and so doesnt count towards the cap). Troll also has a higher stat bonus starting off.

The only reason to go Ogre is that you want a boatload of stats up front.
Ogre FSI is quite useful at level 60. The most dangerous part of a fight is the pre-slow phase (first minute or two). FSI can be the difference between a slow going off and you needing to gate.

Troll/Iksar regen is basically worthless over a fight where the mob is slowed and you have Torpor. There is a reason why you don't see Torpor Shaman's wearing a Fungi, which is better than Troll/Iksar Regen.

A standing Troll/Iksar gets 1 free Torpor every 15 minutes, assuming they aren't at full health. The problem is any Torpor Shaman is going to be at full health out of combat, due to Torpor hehe.

EDIT: If you ignore the stun component, then the spell may go through. This is because bash only has a chance to interrupt your spell. The only guaranteed spell interruption on the bash component is the stun. Having a decent percent chance to not get a slow interrupted in the first 30 seconds is much more useful than Troll/Iksar regen, which would only give you 80 HP in the first minute of the fight. That won't save you.
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Old 01-23-2023, 01:44 AM
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Ogre FSI is quite useful at level 60. The most dangerous part of a fight is the pre-slow phase (first minute or two). FSI can be the difference between a slow going off and you needing to gate.

Troll/Iksar regen is basically worthless over a fight where the mob is slowed and you have Torpor. There is a reason why you don't see Torpor Shaman's wearing a Fungi, which is better than Troll/Iksar Regen.

A standing Troll/Iksar gets 1 free Torpor every 15 minutes, assuming they aren't at full health. The problem is any Torpor Shaman is going to be at full health out of combat, due to Torpor hehe.

EDIT: You are also incorrect about bash automatically interrupting spells. The stun interrupts the spell, not the bash.
1. Point one is often too situational to be relied on. All hard solo mobs have been done by every race. If this was a huge factor, we'd see differences in success rate among races. We don't, so we know it's not a huge issue.

2. Mana fuels torpor, health fuels mana. Regen in long fights not only makes your extended dps go up more, it also opens you up to kill things faster. Active shaman can benefit more from using canni/torpor rotations because their active regen contributes massively the longer a fight goes on. The regen is useless once you get torpor argument is a false claim.

3. Bash does have a chance to interrupt the spell. Not only am I right, I challenge you to go test it.

FSI is nothing more than a meme who needs narrow situational crutches to put it on par with Regen or Regen + AC


Nevermind grouping as having a tank will make FSI completely and utterly useless.


It's a no brainer, Min/Max is Regen through and through.

We're also not even including higher level mobs which have a higher chance to kick versus bash as well. Yeah, the more things you consider, the more you realize that beyond the surface level, Ogres are really only good for one thing - stats, a lot of front loaded stats.
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