Afghanistan Megathread

[Thorgrimm]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Withdrawing our military before the men and women and children who needed to get out is just so insanely idiotic. There is no defense for it. This is squarely on biden, it's not like trump made some kind of decree that our troops, and air support, needed to leave *FIRST*. That is just seriously mind boggling. Why in god's holy name would you make such a decision given the facts on the ground. Completely ass-backward.

It's almost as if Biden wanted The Taliban to take over and he left them a huge arsenal of modern US weapons, technology and piles of cash gift wrapped for them on his way out

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Thorgrimm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's almost as if Biden wanted The Taliban to take over and he left them a huge arsenal of modern US weapons, technology and piles of cash gift wrapped for them on his way out

Yeah the pricetag on that military loot is so depressing. Like, WHY?? Why do that, why?? And they'll just sell half of it to china who will reverse engineer it like they've done a billion times before. It's just the worst possible foreign policy decision of my lifetime, and it's not like I'm an expert. But you don't have to be, that's the thing, it's so *obviously* terrible. And yet people still can't let go of trump for being kinda rude and stuff, sometimes. What a monster.

[Homesteaded]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, we had good reason to go there. The mistake was staying without an effective plan in place. Occupations of fanatical populations CAN work--look at the occupation of Japan--but require good plans implemented fully. Half-measures won't get it done and this particular occupation was never going to succeed.[
Danth

If the goal was to keep Afghanistan semi peaceful, we had a plan, it was to keep less than 5,000 troops in Afghanistan to keep the peace and keep the territory out of enemy hands.

We shouldn't have occupied it at all after Bin Laden left and certainly not after he died. The cultures of that area of the world are centuries behind The West. It's drop dead funny to see woke folks defending a culture that is so far to the right. The Democrats and the left continue to be exposed as complete frauds.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Homesteaded [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The cultures of that area of the world are centuries behind The West.

Centuries from now the west as it is currently could be seen as backwards and barbaric, it certainly was from the perspective of its natives centuries ago. That isn't to say that other parts of the world are exempt from criticism though. But there is something strangely amusing about fans of a game world decades behind the today's standard arguing about fanatics in the real world centuries behind today's standard.

[Jibartik]

if centuries from now the west is looked at that way then the terrorists won.

[Ennewi]

Idiocracy IRL is the true pinnacle of humankind?

[Izmael]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah the pricetag on that military loot is so depressing. Like, WHY?? Why do that, why??

I suppose nearly all of the military loot you're referring to was actually belonging to the afghan army, not the US. The US gave it to the afghan army during these two decades, then the afghan army fled, leaving everything behind.

It's not like the US were in the position to start running around the whole country trying to gather the equipment that the afghan army left behind while retreating.

I wouldn't be too worried about that "loot".

The talibans will not be able to operate or maintain any advanced equipment such as drones or planes. They can operate an assault weapon or rocket launcher, drive a car. But they already had this all beforehand. They will not suddenly become a bigger threat to anybody just because they now have a bunch of military outfits, that they will not be able to replace as wear and tear happens anyway.

Well, they have a few Humvees, now. That's probably pretty much it, as far as usable "loot" is concerned. Big deal. They have already won the war, there's nothing at stake that these Humvees will play a role in.

The whole US retreat has of course been a huge mess, but above all - a communication fiasco.

[Gravydoo II]

All these people with all the bright ideas! NOBODY HAS EVER THOUGHT OF THAT BEFORE.

So, why didnt you help?

If it bothers you so much. Why didnt you help?

Where were these questions when rape daddy surrendered?

[Mesocyclone]

Bill Clinton surrendered?

[Homesteaded]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Centuries from now the west as it is currently could be seen as backwards and barbaric, it certainly was from the perspective of its natives centuries ago. That isn't to say that other parts of the world are exempt from criticism though. But there is something strangely amusing about fans of a game world decades behind the today's standard arguing about fanatics in the real world centuries behind today's standard.

You’re going to have to make a better argument.

We’re talking about a culture that condones rape of boys and girls. A culture that kills homosexuals. A culture that denies women all sorts of basic rights.

America has a lot of mixed up ideas right now but we are still the most free and accepting society on earth. People aren’t trying to move to Iran/Pakistan/Afghanistan.

The fear isn’t the Taliban being more powerful, the fear is the power vacuum that was created. Now who fills it? Not our allies.