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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Bard_Instruments

Ah I see what you are saying. The single PBAoE spell is getting multiplied by the instrument. So you are doing like 60 damage per mob instead of 30 from a single PBAoE tick. Makes sense!

So Bards do like 250 DPS while swarming 25 mobs because 10 DPS (60 Damage / 6 seconds) x 25 Mobs = 250 DPS. That is why they are the kings of power leveling. Swarm kiting just feels slower because each mob is dying slower. But mathematically you killed the same number of mobs in the same amount of time as a group that focuses their combined 250 DPS into one mob at a time.

Now you should understand why Shamans can do more DPS than you think. When DoTing more than one mob with your Epic, you are multiplying your Epic DoT's DPS for each mob DoTed. The multiplier is not as large as a Bard's multiplier since the Epic's cast time extends the time it takes for each mob to become DoTed, but the same logic applies.

[Naethyn]

Careful you’re going to summon that most dps server breaking record enchanter who has like 5 records in his sig.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2. Using your own calculation of 71 DPS on 5 dotted mobs, that is the equivalent of a max level water pet with full buffs and muzzle that is backstabbing. That means your Shaman with Epic is a mage pet + all of the utility a shaman has to offer. You could also include your Shaman pet for another 15ish DPS if you are comfortable controlling them while doing other things.

5x rooted mobs = 5x 9 sec click you’re refreshing (45 seconds per 90 sec duration dot cycle).
Plus the time spent pulling those mobs
Plus the time spent casting root on those mobs
Plus the time spent refreshing root on mobs when/if they break
Plus all the time lost clicking your targets, managing your timers and cycling through which mob needs what and when (nobody is perfect).

That doesn’t leave very much time per 90 seconds to do really anything else.

All so you can keep up with a mage pet? Not even factoring the inherent risk of keeping 5-6 mobs in camp at all times? And only if each dot magically ends a mobs life at highest tick so “real” dps isn’t hampered by the nature of this unique dot?

Lol. You’re not making a strong argument here. You effectively take away what a shaman is best at (utility) in a futile attempt to pretend you are dps.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

5x rooted mobs = 5x 9 sec click you’re refreshing (45 seconds per 90 sec duration dot cycle).
Plus the time spent pulling those mobs
Plus the time spent casting root on those mobs
Plus the time spent refreshing root on mobs when/if they break
Plus all the time lost clicking your targets, managing your timers and cycling through which mob needs what and when (nobody is perfect).

That doesn’t leave very much time per 90 seconds to do really anything else.

All so you can keep up with a mage pet? Not even factoring the inherent risk of keeping 5-6 mobs in camp at all times? And only if each dot magically ends a mobs life at highest tick so “real” dps isn’t hampered by the nature of this unique dot?

Lol. You’re not making a strong argument here. You effectively take away what a shaman is best at (utility) in a futile attempt to pretend you are dps.

It’s just bad dsm napkin math. He recommended to not do it in droga, yet that’s a viable strat in a harder zone? Lol. This has all been debunked in the big caster thread. He just can’t let it go. Solo shamans in super controlled environments are root rotting like 3-4 on average. Maybe 5 tops. It just gets crazy to manage. Guarantee you if we actually made a group with an epic mage/velk with 2 enc they would obliterate shaman dps.

He’s basically arguing that Usain Bolt can run a marathon in an hour based on his 100m record.

[Vivitron]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ah I see what you are saying. The single PBAoE spell is getting multiplied by the instrument. So you are doing like 60 damage per mob instead of 30 from a single PBAoE tick. Makes sense!

Yes the effects that get instrument modded are multiplied by the mod/10, so a 24 mod instrument with a 30 damage song does 2.4*30.

So Bards do like 250 DPS while swarming 25 mobs because 10 DPS (60 Damage / 6 seconds) x 25 Mobs = 250 DPS. That is why they are the kings of power leveling. Swarm kiting just feels slower because each mob is dying slower. But mathematically you killed the same number of mobs in the same amount of time as a group that focuses their combined 250 DPS into one mob at a time.

The 4 ae spells all stack and you sing them all, except that the level 48 spell doesn't stack with ae snare (you only ae snare in tight spaces like hs though), and the fourth dot isn't until 59.

According to the wiki, base damage on the lute ae songs are 30, 32, 18; and the brass ae's base damage is 19. Don't forget the moving npc dot damage nerf (multiply the damage by .66, I think). A little napkin math suggests BIS instruments put you at like 180 dps on a 10 mob kite where you have to snare, up to over 600 dps on a 25 mob kite where you don't. RIP Bard DN spider ae (it was nerfed by making the spiders summon); that may be the only place where pling on 25 mobs blue to a 60 was really practical.

[Troxx]

Shamans = a hell of a class. Superb solo ability. Amazing group utility (2-6 players). Easy to primary heal on at all levels, better even at 60. They have a pet which adds some dps and can tank/offtank in a pinch. They can SUPPLEMENT killing/dps with mana free clickies, burstyish dots, and even longer dots on high hp mobs. Yes they can root an add and toss some clicks - it IS helpful.

They are so great at so many things. I know. Mine is 60.

What they aren’t good at is dedicated dps. If they go absolutely apeshit casting dots/nukes and clicks along with their pet all while furiously canni-ing and self healing they are the rough equivalent of a level 50-51 Ranger in EC gear at 60 with torpor.

Again, no shaman hate. They are absolutely amazing.

They just aren’t dps.

For sustained dps they’re really only more effective than clerics, Druids/wizards (mana regen woes), and meleeing bards. If the group they are in needs a lot of utility uptime (buffs, slows, heals, cc) .. their dps is in the shitter - well below bards.

Hell, I probably have put out more damage on my cleric in some groups using extra mana to nuke in a high activity group where the shaman is juggling the job they do best. Complete heal need is infrequent and efficient … as are undead nukes.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shamans = a hell of a class. Superb solo ability. Amazing group utility (2-6 players). Easy to primary heal on at all levels, better even at 60. They have a pet which adds some dps and can tank/offtank in a pinch. They can SUPPLEMENT killing/dps with mana free clickies, burstyish dots, and even longer dots on high hp mobs. Yes they can root an add and toss some clicks - it IS helpful.

They are so great at so many things. I know. Mine is 60.

What they aren’t good at is dedicated dps. If they go absolutely apeshit casting dots/nukes and clicks along with their pet all while furiously canni-ing and self healing they are the rough equivalent of a level 50-51 Ranger in EC gear at 60 with torpor.

Again, no shaman hate. They are absolutely amazing.

They just aren’t dps.

For sustained dps they’re really only more effective than clerics, Druids/wizards (mana regen woes), and meleeing bards.

Again, you keep saying Shamans can't do good DPS, but you don't back this up with any data. Please stop, you are just providing misinformation. Enchanters also aren't classified as a DPS class, but they do great DPS.

Shamans can provide good DPS while also providing utility. If you don't understand this, you need to play the class more.

[Troxx]

Coming from the guy caught on video unable to solo 4 mobs in KC …

[Vexenu]

"Group LF DPS, Shaman preferred."

These words have never been typed in the history of EverQuest. I wonder why?