[Need Help ASAP] Lists and Lines For Camps

[Ooloo]

I think scout roll is essentially just a player agreement too right? But gm's afaik will punish people who don't stay to help kill, or bring chars below 55 to roll etc..

Or is that somehow different than the AC camp?

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by Infectious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you can hand the spot off to guild members and lock it down? Can a gm add to this? You should have to sit there if your on the list. No go "play alts" while you wait.

You can do this with other camps. This is why /list was created. Guilds have monopolized several camps in the past.

The AC list falls under a player agreement and most choose to take part and honor it. Not sure what happens in case someone would simply find the camp open and if they’d forego the player agreement-system and camp multiple rings or pass only on to friends and guildies. This has happened but can’t recall what the consequence was as petitions started rolling in.

But once again, I have no idea why some people imagine the AC player agreement doesn’t allow you to camp and play your alt. As long as you are first in queue that responds and you show up promptly for next AC spawn and the camp holder doesn’t log or DC before then in order to hand it over you have rights to the camp.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe GMs won’t look favorably upon it.

This is the issue on pve servers, you think the GMs will rule in your favor, and boy are you going to be aggressive as heck to make that point in tells.

If you're not at the camp logged in waiting when the last guy got his AC ring it should go to someone who is sitting there patiently.

[Zeboim]

You absolutely could hand it to someone in your guild.

But it would, of course, be a dick move. One of the ultimate dick moves possible.

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the issue on pve servers, you think the GMs will rule in your favor, and boy are you going to be aggressive as heck to make that point in tells.

If you're not at the camp logged in waiting when the last guy got his AC ring it should go to someone who is sitting there patiently.

”Should”? In accordance to what rules or what established practice? The player agreement nor the server outdoor canp rules don’t support that claim.

Your OPINION may be that it ”should” go to whomever waited at the camp the longest but it’s not how it works. Why would we even want to push for it? It’d just be detrimental to fun.

[fortior]

You can just take any camp you want, OP. Just tell the tired Guide who pms you after 10000 petitions but really doesn’t care about non raid level disputes ‘oh sorry thought I was first’

[Chikorita]

Wish people would report actual guide interventions on actual situations so we had some kind of case law to go by. What players say is irrelevant. What guides do is relevant. Players make up all kinds of rules in their heads but they don't have the ban hammer so who cares. From reading this thread it sounds like you can just have a single guild lock down the camp forever.

"Can i get on the list"
"No, the list already goes on to infinity between CharA, CharB, CharC and CharD. Sorry"

[Encroaching Death]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can just take any camp you want, OP. Just tell the tired Guide who pms you after 10000 petitions but really doesn’t care about non raid level disputes ‘oh sorry thought I was first’

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Chikorita [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wish people would report actual guide interventions on actual situations so we had some kind of case law to go by. What players say is irrelevant. What guides do is relevant.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Camp%20Rules is literally this. Everything listed there comes from a public GM ruling quote.

Originally Posted by Chikorita [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From reading this thread it sounds like you can just have a single guild lock down the camp forever.

This is largely correct. It sounds (and is) incredibly lame, but our all-volunteer staff doesn't have the bandwidth to enforce proper/classic lists ... which is exactly why they introduced the P99 version ... /list.

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by Chikorita [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From reading this thread it sounds like you can just have a single guild lock down the camp forever.

"Can i get on the list"
"No, the list already goes on to infinity between CharA, CharB, CharC and CharD. Sorry"

This is exactly how it works as per the p99 camp rules. That is WHY there are player agreements as well as why /list was created for select camps.