Enchanters ruined this game for me.

[goblinmob]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure is a lot of words there, who the heck gonna read that

here's the TLDR:

I feel the same way, it doesn't feel like the EverQuest I knew.

Vanilla WoW suffers from the same problem. I try to tell my younger friends who aren't old enough to have played OG WoW that back in the day, the majority of people didn't min/max. Dual Wield tanking was unheard of. Warlocks had to deal low damage because they didn't have any way of dropping aggro (dual wield tanking solved this problem in classic launch).

No one cared if you were a Retribution Paladin. To be honest I didn't even know that Paladins were viable healers when WoW launched. Most Druids played cats or moonkins. But when Classic launched, only a handful of classes and specs are considered viable. To pretend like this wasn't always the case is a lie.

Feels the same with EverQuest. I wasn't used to having an enchanter CC everything during pulls, I remember our Druids regularly kiting the mobs around and rooting them and that was just the norm. Now people act like the game is unplayable without Mesmerize and Clarity, and in reality, that's not true.

The charm thing is even crazier. I remember my groups banning Enchanters from having pets in our group because it was simply too dangerous and unreliable; I remember a group in Karnor's Castle where our Enchanter had a pet anyways, a Drolvarg, and while the tank was busy pulling, the charm broke and the Drolvarg basically killed the entire group (except me, because I'm a little weasel who isntantly took off running).

Another thing that no one ever talks about is that the way Enchanters work on P99 is arguably different than the way they worked on regular EverQuest. This is still seen on the TLP's that launch today. On the official servers, all Enchanters build intelligence over Charisma. You can google this, but I'm sure a lot of you already know this. On P99 they build Charisma over Intelligence. So it's quite literally a completely different system.

Now I'm not saying Enchanters weren't known to be powerful while I played 20 something years ago. But I remember the first time I realized it, I had actually been playing for years, and was fairly high level. It was during a Plane of Hate raid where we should have wiped, and I was confused when we didn't, and realized that a single Enchanter easily kept us from dying by CC'ing the adds.

I do remember when PoP came out, I would beg random Enchanters for KEI and Speed of Shissar, so yeah, they were good. But this idea that Enchanter-quest was the norm is far fetched. I remember more Druids using charm successfully than Enchanters, and that's just a fact.

I forgot you can't edit posts, but one of the things that always cracks me up is when people simply disregard players as being unskilled back in the day, and that's not the case at all. I remember EverQuest being extremely cutthroat, people were super motivated to play, these were young teenage boys who poured every ounce of energy into the game. People used to invite me to their groups because I was such an aggressive puller and would actually go KS groups who stole my pulls because I was a Rogue and Rogues could do that.

To me the average person back in the day was way more skilled than what I see now. Half of the P99 population is AFK and it triggers me. It doesn't matter if they are solo'ing, or in a group, they're literally not even paying attention to the game for the most part. I didn't mind it as much as a Cleric, but when I played a Shadow Knight on P99 it drove me mad, I'm literally doing all of the pulling, and tanking. I'm constantly OOM because I don't even have time to meditate, and then I get back to my group and I proceed to sit there getting my ass beat because my group is AFK and not even there to help me kill the mob.

Like this is not a skilled community compared to what we saw back in the day. Maybe more knowledgeable (having access to Google / P99 Wiki basically makes anyone knowledgeable), but I feel like the game was way more competitive back in the day. I remember blacklisting players for not being skilled enough back in the day.

[Chortles Snortles]

hey guys i don't play the game but here's what i think
(lol)

[unsunghero]

Went on a bit of a Black Friday shopping spree over the weekend to keep things fresh since I hadn’t logged in in about a week

Picked up jade inlaid hoop earring, coldain skin gloves, stained cloth mask, sarnak bracer of honor

Trying to get +hp in every slot for the times when charm or tash duration naturally expires because it never drops early for me LOLOL

[mycoolrausch]

Enchanters are insanely broken and overpowered, between their faction ability to sprint to something in 5 seconds a normal group takes 30 minutes to clear to, to calming an entire camp, and then charm killing everything + the boss. Insanity.

But

It means they sweat it out and flood the market with all the tradeables, the price comes down, and you can buy it for the price of a few gem sales from your slog struggle bus group.

So who's the real winner though??

[WokeCat]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure is a lot of words there, who the heck gonna read that

I think I was having a manic episode in retro lol, why am I just randomly raging over something stupid

was going to say something to op though, like no one seems to play enchanters on either server anymore, lol

like people have all leveled one, so having a level 30 or level 50 enchanter in your groups pretty much never happens

at least in my experience

[patrick210]

We have 20+ years of information and innovation , of course things will be different. People will find new ways to be efficient and optimize. Don't get stuck in the past lol, it wont come back. Just adapt and comprehend .

[patrick210]

Penguins don't complain they don't get to fly after evolution. And try to tear down other birds lol, they just kill the swimming game and ice sliding . So get on your belly Happyfeet lmao.

[Twochain]

Didn't read much of this. Why would anybody?

But enchanter isn't that OP. An iksar monk with a fungi tunic is much much more powerful than an enchanter 1-54, and then at level 60, a near BiS Monk > Enchanter (not by much though)

An iksar monk with a fungi can level to 40 without dying a single time. Enchanters die all the time. Especially at lower levels.

It's also one of the only fun spell casting classes. And honestly to me it's one of the only fun classes in any mmo. Theres a lot of play making opportunity

Stop crying you don't have to play enchanter.

[magnetaress]

I agree with goblinmob and wokecat.

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[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn't read much of this. Why would anybody?

But enchanter isn't that OP. An iksar monk with a fungi tunic is much much more powerful than an enchanter 1-54, and then at level 60, a near BiS Monk > Enchanter (not by much though)

An iksar monk with a fungi can level to 40 without dying a single time. Enchanters die all the time. Especially at lower levels.

It's also one of the only fun spell casting classes. And honestly to me it's one of the only fun classes in any mmo. Theres a lot of play making opportunity

Stop crying you don't have to play enchanter.

Ya, nothing I could charm or summon came close to the monks I saw wrecking through the lowbie dungeons with their 2hand clubs and flippy spinny kicks. Taking on mobs that I was doing 6 levels higher because…charm actually does break often on mobs close to your level. And by often I mean, nevermind SACRILEGE!!

No mob makes me bleed my own blood