[Need Help ASAP] Lists and Lines For Camps

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what we need is more rogues pick pocketing beads

Really what we need is someone to help move the stolen items.
@Cheekpoker @Handsomechad

[Gugg]

Originally Posted by Infectious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you can hand the spot off to guild members and lock it down? Can a gm add to this? You should have to sit there if your on the list. No go "play alts" while you wait.

FYI: it is possible to fear kite nobles safely contrary to what you said in a closed thread.

[fortior]

Originally Posted by Coridan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one holding a camp needs to (or should be) maintaining anything beyond who is immediately next. If I'm camping something and Soandso is next, and someone else asks to get on the list. I tell him to message Soandso. If Soandso aint there when I'm done, I'm just fucking off and whoever gets there gets there.

This, I message the next guy and it's his problem whether he's there fast enough to take the camp or not. If he takes 10 mins to log in and someone has taken it in the meantime, tough shit

[Arcaenus]

After reading, it seems there are quite a few opinions and ideas floating around but nothing definitive. Maybe its definitive in some peoples minds, but nothing is really set out and clear. It also seems (from what has been said here and in other places in the forums) that the GMs want players to figure things out / solve their own problems, and are inclined to uphold general population created solutions / customs.

Therefore, in an attempt to move towards a more concrete understanding, I propose the following, open for further debate and discussion:

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It is the desire of the general Green server population that the following customs be upheld with respect to the OOT AC camp:

1. The current holder of the camp shall maintain the list of “next in line players”. When requested, the holder shall relay the list. Upon adding / removing someone from the list, he/she will announce the updated list in /ooc.
INTENT: the holder is the point person for updating / relaying the list while holding the camp — the whole list, not just the next name on the list. It’s communicated in /ooc to keep things transparent yet localized.

2. Upon successful killing / looting of the AC, the camp shall pass to the next name on the list (see #7).
INTENT: the holder does not get to pick who gets the camp next, the list shall be honored)

3. To be added to the list, a player must present themselves physically at the camp and ask the current holder to be added. The holder will update / announce the list accordingly.
INTENT: no sending a /tell from another zone asking to be added, or having a friend in zone ask for you to be added. You need to show up.

3.A) A person wishing to be added to the list, but give looting rights to their alt, shall make this known to the holder when requesting to be added. The holder adds their name along the format “Maintoon (looter: Alttoon)”.
INTENT: keep everything open, transparent, and organized

3.B) To maintain their places on the list, players must remain logged into the server, but are not required to remain in OOT. If playing an alt, the player will notify the holder, who will update the name on the list to format “Maintoon (alt: Twinktoon)”.
INTENT: unlike the “formal” (coded) /list camps - unique to p99- where online, active presence is required in close proximity to the spawn point to remain on the list, this “less formal” player-maintained camp list allows players to do other things (pretty darn generous IMO) provided they stay online and in the game.
Discussion: Is this too generous? In line with the spirit of the game? Should the custom be that if you want to stay on the list, you plant your butt at the AC camp and stay there until its your turn (just without the automated /afk checks coded into the “formal” /list camps?
INTENT: The intent of the list update is to keep everything open and transparent, and so that subsequent holders of the camp can maintain the list and have a known point of contact for names on the list).

4. If a player on the list goes offline (not on the server on any known identity) for a period longer than (say) 2 spawn cycles (just about 15 minutes), that name shall be removed from the list and the updated list stated in /ooc.
NOTE: it is NOT the responsibility of the holder to regularly and actively confirm everyone on the list is online (his/her responsibility is to maintain/relay the list). The practical assumption is, if someone new travels to the zone and asks to be on the list, then checks and notices the 3 names between the holder and their own are not online, he/she will say something to the holder (in /say? In /ooc?). The two of them will check via “/who all Soandso” following the next two spawns. If neither find the person online after 2 such spawn checks, the name will be removed and the updated list repeated in /ooc.
INTENT: you are already permitted to grind in another zone, in an alt, or even sit afk (!) and maintain your spot. Logging off for 3 hours, then logging in and expecting to keep your spot in line, just seems too much and not within the spirit of lists. Your power goes out for 2 hours? That’s life.

5. Upon successful killing / looting of the AC, the holder shall send a /tell to the next two names on the list advising of the kill. The holder will remain present / clear camp for 2 more spawn cycles. If the first in line is not in place to take the camp at that point (either has not ported in, logged in the main toon they camped at the spot, or is present but /afk or otherwise non-responsive, etc.) their name is removed and the holder notifies the second in line, who will then have 1 more cycle to be in place to take the camp.
INTENT: allowing for a reasonable transition between camp holders, while also establishing a “succession” path should next in line not show).
NOTE 1: it is strongly recommended, but not requires, that the first up on the list be in the zone, active, and ready to go.
NOTE 2: it is not intended that the outgoing or incoming holder be responsible for notifying everyone else on the list of the change; it is assumed/expected that anyone on the list will periodically look and see where things are at.

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Discuss!

[PatChapp]

Originally Posted by Arcaenus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After reading, it seems there are quite a few opinions and ideas floating around but nothing definitive. Maybe its definitive in some peoples minds, but nothing is really set out and clear. It also seems (from what has been said here and in other places in the forums) that the GMs want players to figure things out / solve their own problems, and are inclined to uphold general population created solutions / customs.

Therefore, in an attempt to move towards a more concrete understanding, I propose the following, open for further debate and discussion:

###

It is the desire of the general Green server population that the following customs be upheld with respect to the OOT AC camp:

1. The current holder of the camp shall maintain the list of “next in line players”. When requested, the holder shall relay the list. Upon adding / removing someone from the list, he/she will announce the updated list in /ooc.
INTENT: the holder is the point person for updating / relaying the list while holding the camp — the whole list, not just the next name on the list. It’s communicated in /ooc to keep things transparent yet localized.

2. Upon successful killing / looting of the AC, the camp shall pass to the next name on the list (see #7).
INTENT: the holder does not get to pick who gets the camp next, the list shall be honored)

3. To be added to the list, a player must present themselves physically at the camp and ask the current holder to be added. The holder will update / announce the list accordingly.
INTENT: no sending a /tell from another zone asking to be added, or having a friend in zone ask for you to be added. You need to show up.

3.A) A person wishing to be added to the list, but give looting rights to their alt, shall make this known to the holder when requesting to be added. The holder adds their name along the format “Maintoon (looter: Alttoon)”.
INTENT: keep everything open, transparent, and organized

3.B) To maintain their places on the list, players must remain logged into the server, but are not required to remain in OOT. If playing an alt, the player will notify the holder, who will update the name on the list to format “Maintoon (alt: Twinktoon)”.
INTENT: unlike the “formal” (coded) /list camps - unique to p99- where online, active presence is required in close proximity to the spawn point to remain on the list, this “less formal” player-maintained camp list allows players to do other things (pretty darn generous IMO) provided they stay online and in the game.
Discussion: Is this too generous? In line with the spirit of the game? Should the custom be that if you want to stay on the list, you plant your butt at the AC camp and stay there until its your turn (just without the automated /afk checks coded into the “formal” /list camps?
INTENT: The intent of the list update is to keep everything open and transparent, and so that subsequent holders of the camp can maintain the list and have a known point of contact for names on the list).

4. If a player on the list goes offline (not on the server on any known identity) for a period longer than (say) 2 spawn cycles (just about 15 minutes), that name shall be removed from the list and the updated list stated in /ooc.
NOTE: it is NOT the responsibility of the holder to regularly and actively confirm everyone on the list is online (his/her responsibility is to maintain/relay the list). The practical assumption is, if someone new travels to the zone and asks to be on the list, then checks and notices the 3 names between the holder and their own are not online, he/she will say something to the holder (in /say? In /ooc?). The two of them will check via “/who all Soandso” following the next two spawns. If neither find the person online after 2 such spawn checks, the name will be removed and the updated list repeated in /ooc.
INTENT: you are already permitted to grind in another zone, in an alt, or even sit afk (!) and maintain your spot. Logging off for 3 hours, then logging in and expecting to keep your spot in line, just seems too much and not within the spirit of lists. Your power goes out for 2 hours? That’s life.

5. Upon successful killing / looting of the AC, the holder shall send a /tell to the next two names on the list advising of the kill. The holder will remain present / clear camp for 2 more spawn cycles. If the first in line is not in place to take the camp at that point (either has not ported in, logged in the main toon they camped at the spot, or is present but /afk or otherwise non-responsive, etc.) their name is removed and the holder notifies the second in line, who will then have 1 more cycle to be in place to take the camp.
INTENT: allowing for a reasonable transition between camp holders, while also establishing a “succession” path should next in line not show).
NOTE 1: it is strongly recommended, but not requires, that the first up on the list be in the zone, active, and ready to go.
NOTE 2: it is not intended that the outgoing or incoming holder be responsible for notifying everyone else on the list of the change; it is assumed/expected that anyone on the list will periodically look and see where things are at.

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Discuss!

Ac camp works fine as is,no need to complicate things with a bunch of unenforceable clauses.

[dareo]

Over Complicated AC Rules:

Player can only join the AC camp if within a 50 loc block range of P 1016, -7900 in OOT.

Player must formally request to join the list in /tell, /say, and /ooc.

Player must actively search for and tattle on anyone in the list is offline or out of zone.

Player must engage the PH within 36 seconds of spawning.

Upon AC spawn the camp holder must formally make a press release in zone, on discord, and the P99 forums. All people next of list are sent a certified letter.

Rooting the AC or PH on another player in line for the camp is an automatic concession requiring a zone vacate and relist.

Not replying to Camp Checks within 83 seconds is a concede.

Leaving the AC island to buy food at sisters camp is a concede.

Anything longer than 3 minutes 12 seconds to kill the mob is considered stalling and is a camp concede.

The Ancient Cyclops may only be killed during in game hours of 9 pm and 8 am, if it spawns during the day time, the camp holder must keep it kited or root kited until 9 pm.

There is a strict class based limit on joining the list: No more than 2 druids, 2 wizards, 2 necros, ect may be on the list at any time.

There is a guild limit, no more than 2 players of the same guild may be on the list at the same time.

Pet classes must ignore p99 rules regarding afk camping and park their pets right on the spawn point to make it easier for them to AFK camp the AC. Nobody will know your AFK until the pirate sits there for a few minutes!


This is all a joke by the way. Keep it simple but fair at AC camp folks!

[DeliciousHalflings]

Originally Posted by Arcaenus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After reading, it seems there are quite a few opinions and ideas floating around but nothing definitive. Maybe its definitive in some peoples minds, but nothing is really set out and clear. It also seems (from what has been said here and in other places in the forums) that the GMs want players to figure things out / solve their own problems, and are inclined to uphold general population created solutions / customs.

Therefore, in an attempt to move towards a more concrete understanding, I propose the following, open for further debate and discussion:

###

It is the desire of the general Green server population that the following customs be upheld with respect to the OOT AC camp:

1. The current holder of the camp shall maintain the list of “next in line players”. When requested, the holder shall relay the list. Upon adding / removing someone from the list, he/she will announce the updated list in /ooc.
INTENT: the holder is the point person for updating / relaying the list while holding the camp — the whole list, not just the next name on the list. It’s communicated in /ooc to keep things transparent yet localized.

2. Upon successful killing / looting of the AC, the camp shall pass to the next name on the list (see #7).
INTENT: the holder does not get to pick who gets the camp next, the list shall be honored)

3. To be added to the list, a player must present themselves physically at the camp and ask the current holder to be added. The holder will update / announce the list accordingly.
INTENT: no sending a /tell from another zone asking to be added, or having a friend in zone ask for you to be added. You need to show up.

3.A) A person wishing to be added to the list, but give looting rights to their alt, shall make this known to the holder when requesting to be added. The holder adds their name along the format “Maintoon (looter: Alttoon)”.
INTENT: keep everything open, transparent, and organized

3.B) To maintain their places on the list, players must remain logged into the server, but are not required to remain in OOT. If playing an alt, the player will notify the holder, who will update the name on the list to format “Maintoon (alt: Twinktoon)”.
INTENT: unlike the “formal” (coded) /list camps - unique to p99- where online, active presence is required in close proximity to the spawn point to remain on the list, this “less formal” player-maintained camp list allows players to do other things (pretty darn generous IMO) provided they stay online and in the game.
Discussion: Is this too generous? In line with the spirit of the game? Should the custom be that if you want to stay on the list, you plant your butt at the AC camp and stay there until its your turn (just without the automated /afk checks coded into the “formal” /list camps?
INTENT: The intent of the list update is to keep everything open and transparent, and so that subsequent holders of the camp can maintain the list and have a known point of contact for names on the list).

4. If a player on the list goes offline (not on the server on any known identity) for a period longer than (say) 2 spawn cycles (just about 15 minutes), that name shall be removed from the list and the updated list stated in /ooc.
NOTE: it is NOT the responsibility of the holder to regularly and actively confirm everyone on the list is online (his/her responsibility is to maintain/relay the list). The practical assumption is, if someone new travels to the zone and asks to be on the list, then checks and notices the 3 names between the holder and their own are not online, he/she will say something to the holder (in /say? In /ooc?). The two of them will check via “/who all Soandso” following the next two spawns. If neither find the person online after 2 such spawn checks, the name will be removed and the updated list repeated in /ooc.
INTENT: you are already permitted to grind in another zone, in an alt, or even sit afk (!) and maintain your spot. Logging off for 3 hours, then logging in and expecting to keep your spot in line, just seems too much and not within the spirit of lists. Your power goes out for 2 hours? That’s life.

5. Upon successful killing / looting of the AC, the holder shall send a /tell to the next two names on the list advising of the kill. The holder will remain present / clear camp for 2 more spawn cycles. If the first in line is not in place to take the camp at that point (either has not ported in, logged in the main toon they camped at the spot, or is present but /afk or otherwise non-responsive, etc.) their name is removed and the holder notifies the second in line, who will then have 1 more cycle to be in place to take the camp.
INTENT: allowing for a reasonable transition between camp holders, while also establishing a “succession” path should next in line not show).
NOTE 1: it is strongly recommended, but not requires, that the first up on the list be in the zone, active, and ready to go.
NOTE 2: it is not intended that the outgoing or incoming holder be responsible for notifying everyone else on the list of the change; it is assumed/expected that anyone on the list will periodically look and see where things are at.

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Discuss!

Dumb. Stop giving your opinion, it sucks.

I'm not going to waste my time waiting for whoever is next to physically get there after I get mine, let alone clear TWO spawn cycles after getting it. Not my job.

Having to keep track of everyone waiting for a camp? Also not my damn job. You want a camp? Fucking sit there and wait for it like the OG devs intended you to do. Socialize with those around you. I'm not gonna try to track down multiple people. That's almost as asinine as expecting someone to spam an updated list of multiple names at the whim of someone else.

Maybe people can just grow the hell up and learn to communicate like adults? Idk, I've never had an issue with getting things done in game without a shitload of drama. Maybe some of you (like you, specifically) are just too damned stupid to function in society, and probably shouldn't be playing what was intended to be a social game.

[Arcaenus]

Originally Posted by DeliciousHalflings [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dumb. Stop giving your opinion, it sucks.

I'm not going to waste my time waiting for whoever is next to physically get there after I get mine, let alone clear TWO spawn cycles after getting it. Not my job.

Having to keep track of everyone waiting for a camp? Also not my damn job. You want a camp? Fucking sit there and wait for it like the OG devs intended you to do. Socialize with those around you. I'm not gonna try to track down multiple people. That's almost as asinine as expecting someone to spam an updated list of multiple names at the whim of someone else.

Maybe people can just grow the hell up and learn to communicate like adults? Idk, I've never had an issue with getting things done in game without a shitload of drama. Maybe some of you (like you, specifically) are just too damned stupid to function in society, and probably shouldn't be playing what was intended to be a social game.

Who let the trolls out? Take your own advice and learn how to communicate like an adult, starting with not telling people their opinions suck and then calling people stupid -- which is the epitome of anti-social behavior.

For the record, I am personally in general agreement with your apparent philosophy (once I found it through the ranting). Let me summarize what I think you were trying to say: You want the camp? Go there, ask to be on the list. Stay there, help and be social until it is your turn. Then man the camp, kill the bastard, loot the ring, and move on. Don't be an asshole and give the camp to someone not on the list. Also, don't be an asshole and log off for 5 hours, then whine that "someone wasn't following the rules" when they passed the camp to someone actually sitting there, logged in.

That's not the "system" or custom that was apparently in effect when I did go to the camp. And apparently, judging by the original post and the plethora of inconsistent answers that followed, there really isn't an answer.

So, being an adult, I posted the (long) set of proposed "rules" using elements of what seemed to be the custom in place to start a *discussion*. Yes, I expected dissent and pushback -- it's necessary to move to a real, thought-out solution. A simple "Too complicated, let's do this: ..." would be a productive, solution-oriented response, which, again, is what adults do in a functional society. You want to rant, rave, insult, and be generally unproductive instead? Then post your own thread in the rants section and get off this one.

[Arcaenus]

PatChapp: thank you for posting your opinion.

Dareo: nice use of parody to illustrate a very valid point that such a solution (intended as food for discussion) is too long and overcomplicated.

And to the troll: telling people their opinions suck and calling them stupid is the epitome of the anti-social behavior you were trying to rant against. Be constructive or take your rants and flames to the appropriate section.

For what it's worth, I actually agree with the essence of what I think you were trying to say (at least, what I think I found buried within the rants) than my original post, which was intended to encapsulate some of what customs some claimed to be in place and move the thread back on point into a discussion.

Let me see if I can summarize it:
Want the AC camp? Go there and ask whoever has it to be added to the list. Then sit there, be social, help out on occasion, and wait your turn. When your turn comes, kill the AC, loot the ring, and pass the camp to the next person. Do not be a jerk and try to hand it over to someone else who has not been on the list, sitting, waiting. Do not be an ingrate and log off for 5 hours, then come back and try to convince the person now at the camp that you should get your spot back. Want to log on an alt and grind away in another zone? Feel free, but don't assume that the holder or the other people physically sitting at the camp waiting will (or should) honor your (supposed) position in line while they have been sitting there, bored as heck, putting in the time.

[DeliciousHalflings]

Originally Posted by Arcaenus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*more clueless carebear bitching*

Your opinions are stupid. You proposed a bunch of convoluted bullshit while thinking 'man, I'm gonna look so smart posting all this stuff!', when in reality it just showed you're utterly clueless about both how the game was intended to be played by the OG + p99 devs AND the general behavior of the server. Stupid arbitrary rules suggestions adding extra work for everyone keeping track of who's doing what and whatever else always come from the people who can't get shit done on their own and just annoy everyone else with how bad they are.

I know just fine how to communicate. Snowflakes don't get a pass anymore with their trying to force everyone to accept stupid shit. Anarchy, motherfucker!