Chardok exploitation hurting the spirit of the game

[Bombastic]

Originally Posted by wuanahto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so something was camped and because your party was bigger you thought you are right?

Nothing new. Post Sirken GMs created this mindset years ago when they let 30 people train 4 people. Post fraps in the petition section so they can laugh at you for trying to get their old friends punished.

[Wakanda]

Originally Posted by Bisonzabi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the ultimate fate of any game that is older then an entire generation, the maladjusted and lunatics gain control of the asylum and the normies bleed off and go onto greener pasture.
All this on top of PC gaming being a completely different ecosphere now. $15 subscriptions are a very archaic model from a time when server hosting use to cost an arm and a leg. Back in the early 2000's, you had a handful of games at any given time installed onto your PC or were recently released that year that were worth it thus gaming was far more consolidated. The majority of the people you interacted in the game were usually people from your timezone and it was a rarity to interact with non-North Americans on forums. Most people who could play the latest stuff either came from family's with money to buy/build/upgrade new PCs or had the money to fork over for such expenses alone.
Then that all started to change by the mid-late 2000's as DRM services like Steam came along and slowly reshaped what PC gaming was with tens of thousands of games ranging over the course of 30+ years, cable modem speeds became faster from the blazing speeds of 1mbps in early 2000's to 100mbps by early 2010s, wireless internet became the standard, low end PC's no longer were solely used for AOL chatrooms and doing taxes but could play moderately older 3D PC games, the gateway to building PC's became far more simpler and then the internet exploded throughout the world changing the cultural landscape of interaction. Fast forward to today and most people in PC gaming are from all four corners of the world and consoles/PC/handhelds have merged into singular platform as platform exclusivity has practically vaporized with exception of a few like Nintendo.
Point is most MMO's are only surviving today due to the F2P models. Only anomalies like WoW have the ability to use a subscription model as the standard and even that game still gives a bit of leeway to play the game for free up to a specific point.

Thank you for this post. I really appreciated reading it even though I have nothing to add to what was said.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Bombastic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing new. Post Sirken GMs created this mindset years ago when they let 30 people train 4 people. Post fraps in the petition section so they can laugh at you for trying to get their old friends punished.

Lifelock getting banned for training a group trying to XP during Chardok AOE kind of disproves that, and Sirken was the one swinging the hammer. (thread)

[cd288]

Originally Posted by sammoHung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If only. Got trained in City of Mist yesterday - the zone was empty except for me and 1 group down at the arena. This fool sees me up on ramparts, having already cleared 12 of the spawns and starts pulling ramparts mobs down to arena - by way of having them fall off the ledge near the center.

When I said "Hey please dont do that, they are pathing through mobs I have aggro on" their response was "You can only claim one spawn" and "You should find somewhere else to exp"

Sure enough, she pulled a mob down and then zoned, and it trained reavers and the entirety of the moat / leading back to ramparts.

I petitioned in game, nothing. Petitioned on forums, so far - nothing. We'll see if the server rules really do prevail.

Camping rules become irrelevant if the person is causing a train on you.

Did you take footage of the situation? If not, a forum petition may not result in anything (unless staff can somehow see from logs, idk).

[sammoHung]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Camping rules become irrelevant if the person is causing a train on you.

Did you take footage of the situation? If not, a forum petition may not result in anything (unless staff can somehow see from logs, idk).

I started recording after the player told me to "find a new place to level" and already pulled a mob past one I had aggro on.

the recording simply shows the train surprising me and killing me. well see if its worth anything

[Ciderpress]

Enchanters are typically not training anybody on purpose in chardok, it's just a byproduct of clearing ph's with dictate. It's also very rare for groups to actually move passed CE. The chanters are enjoying the game in the way they prefer, and so are the people dungeon crawling. The chanters should obviously be respectful of the group, but the group should also be respectful of the chanters. If you roll into chardok with a group and there are 5 chanters in zone farming, are they all supposed to stop just for your group? Who is imposing on who at that point?

Personally, what I find more annoying is GG pulling royals to the god damn zone entrance.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enchanters are typically not training anybody on purpose in chardok, it's just a byproduct of clearing ph's with dictate. It's also very rare for groups to actually move passed CE. The chanters are enjoying the game in the way they prefer, and so are the people dungeon crawling. The chanters should obviously be respectful of the group, but the group should also be respectful of the chanters. If you roll into chardok with a group and there are 5 chanters in zone farming, are they all supposed to stop just for your group? Who is imposing on who at that point?

I'm one of the many chardok farmers on my ench and in my opinion we're operating in a grey area. Not only training out can be considered zone disruption but most ench will claim multiple camps on top of gating aggro, which forfeits your camp. We kind of have a gentlemen agreement between us but if you want to get down to the elf law chanters have literally zero leg to stand on and any group would be in the right to complain about the whole thing. You can train a group accidently if you didn't know they were crawling down but after that point you know they're present so it becomes intentional training if you keep at it. Either you let them through or you move to another camp. And if they happen to want your camp you can only pick one and you will have to clear it manually because if you gate they're allowed to move in.

It is in the best interest of chanters there to stay respectful before the GMs decide to do something about it because right now we have free reign. People tend to get too comfortable in those situations but if it generates too many CSR complaints the party may be over. I personally would like it to stay as is so I try to act in a way that will make it remain so.

[kjs86z2]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enchanters are typically not training anybody on purpose in chardok, it's just a byproduct of clearing ph's with dictate. It's also very rare for groups to actually move passed CE. The chanters are enjoying the game in the way they prefer, and so are the people dungeon crawling. The chanters should obviously be respectful of the group, but the group should also be respectful of the chanters. If you roll into chardok with a group and there are 5 chanters in zone farming, are they all supposed to stop just for your group? Who is imposing on who at that point?

Personally, what I find more annoying is GG pulling royals to the god damn zone entrance.

If there is a group further in and you train them...thats 100% against the rules doesn't matter what meta enchanters have established in Chardok.

[sammoHung]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is in the best interest of chanters there to stay respectful before the GMs decide to do something about it because right now we have free reign. People tend to get too comfortable in those situations but if it generates too many CSR complaints the party may be over. I personally would like it to stay as is so I try to act in a way that will make it remain so.

Stop making sense bro. You're saying you want CSR to not get involved in Chardok because there are groups of gentleman farmers that basically have free reign, and the best way to maintain that free reign is to politely step out of the way on the very rare occasion that a group finds themselves there?

That is against the spirit of the p99 Meta and player mentality.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by sammoHung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stop making sense bro. You're saying you want CSR to not get involved in Chardok because there are groups of gentleman farmers that basically have free reign, and the best way to maintain that free reign is to politely step out of the way on the very rare occasion that a group finds themselves there?

That is against the spirit of the p99 Meta and player mentality.

Sounds simple yet bards still managed to fuck it up for themselves.