Ranger ac parsing (I'm serious)

[Salaryman]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for the tests. My 60 ranger has sub 1k AC. It’s never been an issue but outside bumping I do very little with a mob swinging at me and am quick to swap to another class if that’s the need. I think first floor of hate and some Fear is all I’ve raid tanked since we needed a quick MA. Random blue cons like Seb are no big deal because of slow. The Vyemm whip made a pretty noticeable impact to blue cons durability.

I tend to give up all my AC, and a lot of hps for SV’s, MR in particular. No math behind that but it’s tastier placebo.

Do you have a Shield of the Water Dargon, Shield of the Red Dargon and Shield of the Green dargon and Swift Blade of Zek, Guardian Robe and Brizleblots frigid gnasher? because otherwise these tests are pointless.

I have all those btw on RED99 the only srever that matters.

I also have a Large Coin Purse

[sogundordor]

Plan A: stripping off AC
around 100 worn ac is my bottom line cos its started have chance to die at the last root~
heres the result down to 97 worn ac

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From the test result,
1. between 100-200ac, mitigation gain is linear
2. after 200ac, there nearly no mitigation gain
3. from wiki, "Soft-cap (raw ac/worn ac): Level * 6 + 25 This only applies to characters level 50 or below." which is 325 worn ac, there is no mitigation change in the graph
4. "IF" the soft cap not change at 60, which is 385, there is also no mitigation change in the graph
5. from the graph, it "looks like" a hard cap setting, maybe there is some mechanic running behind i don't know
6. maybe like jimjam said, "the mob is already bottomed out on it's ability to damage", if it happen at like 200ac, i think its too low for a velious era hunting

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Solist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don’t know how many more times I’ve needed to say it.

I’ve parsed on every mob in the game within reason on two rangers, one full of vulak loot and one in kunark shit.

I laughed whenever like full BIS rangers like Aadill took identical damage to a fresh 60 in a fungi.

Yeah but I've always seen 100ac floated as the ranger cap and this guy's chart shows it is at least 200, if not more on higher level mobs. So that's good to know.

Like he said the cap is supposed to be at least 385 for everybody (except purecasters IIRC) so there is no reason it caps at 200 for rangers as by their own formula it falls 50% short. For that reason I'm not sure it matters what happens to other chain classes, the formula just doesn't work as advertised.

I'd like to see 200+AC tested on a 50+ mob to test jimjam's theory of squelched attack but if it doesn't do much on vulak I don't think we'll get anything different.

[Duik]

on RED99

Literally nobody cares.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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I'd like to see 200+AC tested on a 50+ mob to test jimjam's theory of squelched attack but if it doesn't do much on vulak I don't think we'll get anything different.

Again, devil’s advocate cos i also reckon ranjor ac is borked, but doesn’t vulak have high attack so going above 200+ ac may have as much benefit as upgrading from cloth to tattered leather against him?

[sogundordor]

I never hear about the ranger 100ac story~ whats that about?
50+ mob test seems can't be done by solo, need a healer i think, hard to find a partner to do it, maybe it need 1-2 hours

just curiosity, is it only ranger ac "seems" broken? no other class has similar problem?
i'm doing plan B, although its unfinish, at this moment data is interesting~

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, devil’s advocate cos i also reckon ranjor ac is borked, but doesn’t vulak have high attack so going above 200+ ac may have as much benefit as upgrading from cloth to tattered leather against him?

Possibly, that is why I'd like a test on higher group tier mobs. I have no healer though so it is hard for me to help.

Originally Posted by sogundordor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never hear about the ranger 100ac story~ whats that about?
50+ mob test seems can't be done by solo, need a healer i think, hard to find a partner to do it, maybe it need 1-2 hours

just curiosity, is it only ranger ac "seems" broken? no other class has similar problem?
i'm doing plan B, although its unfinish, at this moment data is interesting~

It is a number I've seen floated around a couple times without any proof. Your parse seem to indicate it is wrong and more like 200.

As for if other classes are broken, I'm curious but I'm not sure if it is relevant. They said the cap should be 385+ at 60, if tops at 200, something is not right. Also I don't think many rogues/shaman gear with a strong emphasis on AC so I'm not sure how many out there can parse with a +300ac worn outside maybe high end raiders.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Possibly, that is why I'd like a test on higher group tier mobs. I have no healer though so it is hard for me to help.



It is a number I've seen floated around a couple times without any proof. Your parse seem to indicate it is wrong and more like 200.

As for if other classes are broken, I'm curious but I'm not sure if it is relevant. They said the cap should be 385+ at 60, if tops at 200, something is not right. Also I don't think many rogues/shaman gear with a strong emphasis on AC so I'm not sure how many out there can parse with a +300ac worn outside maybe high end raiders.

others classes see benefits with ac more, rangers dont. people can parse but thatll be the conclusion youll run into. its just broke, broke broke. gear for hp/resists and enjoy the class. i still love the toolkit and the dps rangers can do with cek sword or bfg disc.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by sogundordor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

50+ mob test seems can't be done by solo, need a healer i think, hard to find a partner to do it, maybe it need 1-2 hours

I can bring a 52 cleric to heal you.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

others classes see benefits with ac more, rangers dont. people can parse but thatll be the conclusion youll run into. its just broke, broke broke. gear for hp/resists and enjoy the class. i still love the toolkit and the dps rangers can do with cek sword or bfg disc.

It is not that I don't believe you guys but knowing the exact cut off point on worn AC is interesting for gearing choices. I'm also hopeful that with the relevant parses showing without a doubt this appears broken we could get a dev to weight in but I'm not holding my breath.