Inny FTE rules clarification

[fishingme]

Originally Posted by Loly Taa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1,800 posts and still delusional.

113 posts and still uninformed.

[Maze513]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ban the people who suggest banning people that think banning people indiscriminately is a good idea

I like were this was going. can we get back on track and get some bans handed out to those who wish bans to be bund upon those they deem bananas

[Loly Taa]

Originally Posted by fishingme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

113 posts and still uninformed.

..wat?

[Metallikus]

@Sirken

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raid Rules / FAQ

Q: What classifies a mob as "Engaged"?
A: A mob is classified as engaged as long as it has aggro on at least one player.

Q: Can we camp raid mobs?
A: The spawn variance prevents guilds from claiming unspawned raid mobs as they don’t know when the mob is due. If you want the mob, then pull and engage the mob, Period.

Q: Both raids got here simultaneously. What do we do?
A: First to Engage.

Q: What rules pertain to raid mobs that are triggered spawns?
A: If a raid mob is triggered to spawn by killing a single mob before it (Example: Statue -> Idol -> Avatar of War), the guild that spawned the mob has 20 minutes to engage it. The mob is open to any other guild on a first to engage basis once the first guild has either wiped or not engaged within the time limit.

Q: What about raid mobs that are spawned by a combination of other mobs?
A: In the case of a raid mob that is spawned by clearing an area (Example: Azarack Island in Plane of Sky), the guild that did the clearing has the same consideration as above; That is, 20 Minutes to engage and 1 attempt. In the case of multiple guilds contributing significantly to the spawn of the mob, the mob is first to engage by any of those guilds.
Just a reminder: If the first guild fails to kill the mob on their first attempt or fails to engage within 20 minutes of the mob's spawntime, the mob's ownership is determind based on the first guild to engage at that point.

Q: What about a raid mob being indefinitely kited or occupied?
A: It is against server policy to indefinitely kite, or otherwise keep occupied, a raid mob without intention of bringing it to your raid camp. You either bring it to your raid, die, or zone out. Obvious stall-kiting of a raid mob, especially in situations to prevent engagement by another guild, will result in disciplinary actions against the kiter's account, and possibly their raid/guild leadership.

Venril Sathir
Venril Sathir may only be pulled into the larger room adjacent to his spawn point, no further.
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These are the rules defined by you and p99 staff. FTE = first to agro.

No one in my guild is arguing that TMO didnt have FTE and loot rights. We do however want to know all the unwritten rules that are considered for each encounter so we can know before we are arbitrarily rule against.

No one in my guild should have been sending you tells concerning this except for the raid leaders present. So I'll handle that - let me know who they were for disciplinary actions.

When you jump into guild chat and throw out random crap about first to damage in a clear cut case that TMO had FTE. You make us rethinkwhat the fuck is going on. Since you say that on his encounter it is different because getting agro doesnt matter but first to damage matters. This encounter had 3 pullers that ran back to the raid (crazyeyes, veloci, yamaksi) all 3 that could have damaged inny on the pull with a javelin or dagger or whatever. How do u tell from the log? Is that even the damage you are talking about? Maybe you mean the first damage done to the mob when it got to the raid's camp? What the fuck do you mean by first damage? You are the one who has confused the issue, now explain it.

Encounter Details
Encounter Details
Server: Live
Encounter ID: 109757515
Entity Count: 48
Spawned: Fri Jan 04, 2013; 13:50:00
Engaged: Fri Jan 04, 2013; 14:23:40
Death: Fri Jan 04, 2013; 14:25:37
Duration: 1 Minutes, 57 Seconds. (117 Seconds)
Merited To: Group 2336
Kill Stolen: No

# Entity Name Guild Name Level Class Engage Delay Disengage Length Group Damage Hate
1 Crazyeyes (140782)[1846] The Mystical Order 60 Rogue 14:23:40 0 14:25:37 117 2336 5124 1888
2 Veloci (224578)[1819] Forceful Entry 59 Monk 14:23:41 1 14:25:37 116 0 1796 1354
3 Yamakasi (272403)[1814] (O) Bregan D`Aerth 60 Monk 14:23:43 3 14:25:19 96 2341 2594 3168
4 Geleana (140690)[1848] The Mystical Order 60 Bard 14:24:13 33 14:25:37 84 2336 0 0
5 Sworen (69138)[1845] The Mystical Order 60 Warrior 14:24:24 44 14:24:31 7 2336 10 657
6 Knix (254923)[1847] The Mystical Order 60 Druid 14:24:25 45 14:24:35 10 2336 0 113
7 Anthrax (41686)[1825] (O) Bregan D`Aerth 60 Warrior 14:24:25 45 14:25:37 72 2341 986 1982
8 Cephalic (217872)[1822] Bregan D`Aerth 60 Rogue 14:24:35 55 14:25:37 62 2349 2033 967
9 Bolloney (242013)[1844] The Mystical Order 55 Ranger 14:24:35 55 14:25:37 62 2336 1428 1341
10 Vitus (331462)[1823] Divinity 60 Monk 14:24:35 55 14:24:47 12 0 531 669
11 Suirad (133701)[1826] Bregan D`Aerth 60 Ranger 14:24:38 58 14:25:37 59 2349 944 1163
12 Imba (341369)[1828] (O) Forceful Entry 60 Warrior 14:24:39 59 14:25:12 33 0 714 3977
13 Verenity (178596)[1815] (O) Bregan D`Aerth 60 Cleric 14:24:40 60 14:25:37 57 2341 0 169
14 Xerxes (267241)[1852] Bregan D`Aerth 60 Monk 14:24:41 61 14:25:00 19 2349 656 895
15 Mithor (250149)[1858] The Mystical Order 60 Necromancer 14:24:41 61 14:25:15 34 2344 0 0
16 Necrious (23585)[1855] The Mystical Order 59 Necromancer 14:24:42 62 14:24:47 5 2344 0 828
17 Xaine (200189)[1830] Bregan D`Aerth 60 Warrior 14:24:42 62 14:25:37 55 0 1021 1834
18 Kindadar (240819)[1854] The Mystical Order 60 Druid 14:24:43 63 14:25:37 54 2344 0 1210
19 Kaerik (229687)[1860] The Mystical Order 60 Cleric 14:24:45 65 14:25:37 52 2336 0 119
20 Doraf (9561)[1813] Forceful Entry 60 Cleric 14:24:47 67 14:25:37 50 0 0 43
21 Versager (257638)[1820] Forceful Entry 60 Wizard 14:24:47 67 14:24:51 4 0 0 875
22 Mithra (306864)[1850] Forceful Entry 54 Rogue 14:24:52 72 14:25:37 45 2352 1932 1996
23 Jambi (32864)[1839] Forceful Entry 56 Shadow Knight 14:24:57 77 14:25:34 37 2352 673 2725
24 Sookie (273505)[1818] Forceful Entry 46 Druid 14:24:59 79 14:25:37 38 0 0 16
25 Sckrilla (68129)[1876] The Mystical Order 60 Rogue 14:24:59 79 14:25:37 38 2359 2830 73
26 Jeremy (10654)[1867] (O) The Mystical Order 60 Shaman 14:25:00 80 14:25:37 37 2351 1350 2469
27 Taelara (300167)[1874] The Mystical Order 59 Druid 14:25:01 81 14:25:37 36 0 0 1431
28 Tinyscare (158296)[1864] The Mystical Order 60 Necromancer 14:25:02 82 14:25:37 35 2337 0 161
29 Mithor's Pet (a_kiraikuei) (76009)[1680] The Mystical Order 50 Monk 14:25:02 82 14:25:11 9 2344 243 277
30 Xerxes (267241)[1852] Bregan D`Aerth 60 Monk 14:25:03 83 14:25:37 34 2349 2823 1673
31 Kegluas (69548)[1877] The Mystical Order 60 Warrior 14:25:03 83 14:25:31 28 2359 932 2180
32 Puyi (348534)[1832] Forceful Entry 58 Cleric 14:25:03 83 14:25:37 34 0 6 106
33 Qanelar (233836)[1824] Bregan D`Aerth 51 Cleric 14:25:04 84 14:25:37 33 2360 0 0
34 Vitus (331462)[1823] Divinity 60 Monk 14:25:04 84 14:25:37 33 0 985 1278
35 Worship (311313)[1838] Forceful Entry 52 Monk 14:25:10 90 14:25:37 27 2338 302 890
36 Krythis (340384)[1837] Forceful Entry 56 Bard 14:25:10 90 14:25:37 27 2338 0 0
37 Falling's Pet (an_ire_ghast) (76008)[1557] The Mystical Order 50 Shadow Knight 14:25:11 91 14:25:37 26 2351 345 985
38 Falling (107590)[1871] The Mystical Order 59 Necromancer 14:25:11 91 14:25:37 26 2351 0 0
39 Aenarie (108089)[1868] The Mystical Order 57 Cleric 14:25:12 92 14:25:37 25 2351 0 57
40 Lorea's Pet (SumMageMultiElement) (598)[1884] The Mystical Order 49 Warrior 14:25:12 92 14:25:37 25 2351 750 994
41 Lorea (51498)[1870] The Mystical Order 60 Magician 14:25:12 92 14:25:37 25 2351 0 0
42 Yamakasi (272403)[1814] (O) Bregan D`Aerth 60 Monk 14:25:20 100 14:25:37 17 2341 3467 1811
43 Gabtik (198143)[1834] Forceful Entry 60 Wizard 14:25:21 101 14:25:37 16 2338 2475 2625
44 Tobli (299462)[1863] The Mystical Order 59 Cleric 14:25:23 103 14:25:37 14 2337 0 28
45 Mithor (250149)[1858] The Mystical Order 60 Necromancer 14:25:28 108 14:25:37 9 2344 0 0
46 Breachin (125637)[1880] The Mystical Order 51 Wizard 14:25:32 112 14:25:37 5 0 0 679
47 Dexs (93254)[1836] (O) Inglourious Basterds 60 Druid 14:25:35 115 14:25:37 2 0 386 1194
48 Hiphopotamus (287747)[1816] Forceful Entry 59 Druid 14:25:36 116 14:25:37 1 2352 0 16

[Metallikus]

The only thing he could possibly be saying with reguards to "first to damage" is :

if a guild is pulling a raid boss, Sirken says it is ok to run out ahead of that raid force and do dmg to the mob before it gets into their camp. Then you can petition for FTD?

Is that how you are lining out the new rule?

[Vandy]

So if I throw a ranged item at Inny and it misses and he aggro's me... then random puller from another guild throws a ranged item which lands on Inny doing 1 damage then they have the rights to the kill?

[Silo69]

what did he drop?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What about a miss?

brilliant.

Is this is like the episode where Kirk tells fembot #248 he likes her, and fembot # 921 he does not like her, even though they are identical, and then they both start smoking out from their heads?

[Tasslehofp99]

lol we been going through this for months and months on end, but nothing changes...so just figure out new ways to get FTE. Apparently TMO is allowed to train in PoHate when they know they will lose a mob, or kite dragons around zones for 5-10 minutes while there is a raid force in zone until TMO has more then 8 people in zone to kill it(fraps of sev being kited around city of mist apparently don't prove anything). I wouldn't suggest trying those things if you aren't in TMO, but yeah.

I give up with the entire FTE argument, we all know its a broken and bullshit rule made up to benefit TMO, and when it stops benefitting them it will be changed. Hence why I came up with my idea for a server-wide all out poopsock alliance against TMO until something changes.

[Fazlazen]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol we been going through this for months and months on end, but nothing changes...so just figure out new ways to get FTE. Apparently TMO is allowed to train in PoHate when they know they will lose a mob, or kite dragons around zones for 5-10 minutes while there is a raid force in zone until TMO has more then 8 people in zone to kill it(fraps of sev being kited around city of mist apparently don't prove anything). I wouldn't suggest trying those things if you aren't in TMO, but yeah.

I give up with the entire FTE argument, we all know its a broken and bullshit rule made up to benefit TMO, and when it stops benefitting them it will be changed. Hence why I came up with my idea for a server-wide all out poopsock alliance against TMO until something changes.

can I get some of that kool-aid?