Myconid Spore King - Monk Solo

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wear Dain Belt, which is better than Tunare belt for monks. Spikecoat is a 4 point DS, completely irrelevant

You don't wear the Tunare belt for the fight. You click it beforehand, and it gives armor in addition to the DS. That isn't irrelevant, nor is the DS for a close fight.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You think a Steal Strength (27 pt strength debuff) is going to magically make the king tankable without buffs?

You didn't use AVATAR, idiot, and if you are trying to do a challenge without outside buffs then you should also be starting the fight with Shielding pre-procced. The discussion here is not just about this fight either, it's about trying to calculate and achieve the absolute highest numbers of what a character can do. Every little thing matters.

The numbers need to be ran, but going on rough estimation the combo of Avatar/Spikecoat/Steal Strength/Shielding puts the fight within the realm of being worth looking into, especially considering you weren't maximizing your DPS at the start of the fight with fist swaps.

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’m just glad we aren’t talking about offhand swapping a SoS for more dps.

Abashi's delay is too low for that. If a Monk wants to maximize their DPS while leveling up though, then yes they should be swapping to that inbetween hits of their Herbalist Spade.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Linking a video of someone using multiple characters to kill something is pretty irrelevant in a conversation about SOLOing the spore king with a single toon.

YOU USED MULTIPLE PLAYERS AND 4 DIFFERENT CHARACTERS.

Once again, the FACT is that you did not achieve the kill BY YOURSELF. You needed another player to buff you, with multiple other characters.

A single person being able to do the kill by swapping to another of their own characters is ONE PLAYER, and the fastest way to do the kill is by using that method.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The buffs didn't give me extra abilities that my class doesn't have otherwise.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Then why did you get the buffs from all those other classes and need them to do the kill, if they are abilities your class "already has"??

What the actual fuck is wrong with you? This total lack of logic is unbelievable.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are so full of shit you can't even say a name

WHAT name?? I don't save the names of all the thousands of different characters I've interacted with, particularly someone doing a routine farm of a camp that has been happening for ages. You're the one who is full of shit, being ignorant to what others have done in the game and thinking you're omniscient and have done something totally new.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah it's only the 5+ years of gearing a single character in a guild with 500 other people bidding against you. Pure busy work, right?

That is exactly pure busy work, LOL. It does not take any relevant amount of skill to accrue DKP in this game and it has nothing to do with the mechanical skill of completing a solo challenge.

You're delusional, like a lot of PvE'rs in these kinds of games, thinking what you're doing is anything more than a rat race. It's a totally fabricated carrot on the stick, designed to you keep you hooked by forcing time to be spent on the repetitive grind of accruing more gear/levels, and requiring very little real skill, so that nearly anyone who wants to put the time in can achieve it.

There's a reason why actual competitive games don't have arbitrary barriers to entry like that. You don't need to spend 5 years getting the pieces to play Chess by playing candyland for 5 years beforehand. You don't need to spend 5 years unlocking units/characters/cards in Starcraft/League/MTG. You don't need to spend 5 years in the shallow end of a pool before being allowed to start swimming laps.

5 years spent on those games/athletics/arts is something where the individual is constantly engaged with purely increasing their skill, where significant depth of skill is required to achieve the next level, and where the individual is ranked purely by their skill, not by how long they've been doing extraneous time-wasting crap.

And that is exactly why I don't put more time into this dead-end game. There is no point in wasting my life on that. There's nothing intellectually or creatively stimulating about it, I've already seen all the sights and discovered all the possibilities. Using a small amount of free time to discuss what the game could be and how it played during classic is far more interesting than actually playing it.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All the other people? You mean you, Samoht, and Warpath. The majority of people that have come here have not tried to dispute whether it was solo or not

Half a dozen people in this thread alone have disputed it, and someone not outright disputing the definition of "solo" doesn't mean they think soloing with outside buffs is the most pure or impressive form possible.

You continue to create false equivalencies and can't stop sticking your head in the sand and using strawmans. It's truly pathetic that you think anyone who has a different standard (a more factual standard) is envious of you. Especially when these are all things that have been stated a LONG time before you ever made this thread. Nobody's opinion has anything to do with you. You just want everything to be about you, and for everyone to worship you. Probably because you're not getting much other real enjoyment out of the game, or elsewhere in life.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Zuranthium is still trolling. His long posts are not worth responding to.

This is because Zuranthium couldn't even admit he was wrong when he factually misquoted OP. Zuranthium had the audacity to tell OP he knew OP's quote better than OP. He will just keep doubling down regardless facts and evidence.

The wiki will still be fixed, as it is worse off now after Zuranthium modified it.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can get 160 DEX from Avatar + FoS. Monks start with 85 DEX worst case if you are a Human. That means a naked Monk with Avatar + FoS has 235 DEX before gear. Monks want FoS + Avatar, so you will have those buffs in the endgame.

You can only get 50 STA from Riotous Health. 70 STA if you get Primal Essence, but that doesn't stack with Avatar. Monks will pick Avatar over Primal Essence every time.

You are correct that putting your starting stats into DEX does increase your chance of an earlier Avatar Proc for the initial proc. This benefit will be available after a corpse recovery or dispel as well.

Putting your starting stats into STA will give you a bit more wiggle room to swap out resist gear if needed without losing your capped STA, and an extra buff slot. You can use that extra buff slot for a DEX buff to get the earlier Avatar proc, and that DEX buff is better than the amount of starting stat points you get. Overall I'd say that makes STA better, unless you really want the initial Avatar proc edge after a corpse recovery/dispel.

Didn't want to call DSM out in the other thread because there's a high likelihood that he'd shit that one up too, but does he legitimately not know what VoG does?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn't want to call DSM out in the other thread because there's a high likelihood that he'd shit that one up too, but does he legitimately not know what VoG does?

Please stop being silly. This is offtopic and a different thread. I am sorry your troll about my DPS caclulator failed.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Visions_of_Grandeur

Feel free to read the wiki page!

Samoht probably assumed "endgame" only applied to raiding. If you are duoing with a Shaman, you won't have VoG, as a simple example. Yes, I know that VoG has an extra 25 DEX. It just doesn't really matter, since you have 245 DEX before gear with FoS + Avatar on a Human. A BiS Monk will have +10 DEX from Flayed Barbarian Skin Leggings, and a Min/Max Monk is probably going to be Iksar, who starts with 95 DEX base. So that would already cap DEX without VoG. VoG stacks with Avatar and FoS as well.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't wear the Tunare belt for the fight. You click it beforehand, and it gives armor in addition to the DS. That isn't irrelevant, nor is the DS for a close fight.

No shit, and yes, 4 pt DS and 12 AC is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You didn't use AVATAR, idiot, and if you are trying to do a challenge without outside buffs then you should also be starting the fight with Shielding pre-procced. The discussion here is not just about this fight either, it's about trying to calculate and achieve the absolute highest numbers of what a character can do. Every little thing matters.

The numbers need to be ran, but going on rough estimation the combo of Avatar/Spikecoat/Steal Strength/Shielding puts the fight within the realm of being worth looking into, especially considering you weren't maximizing your DPS at the start of the fight with fist swaps.

Here you go again talking about shit that you have NO CLUE about. You have never solo’d the king, so what makes you think that these extremely minor things are going to add up to outweigh Aegolism and VoG haste? You have literally NOTHING to base that off of.

I have killed the king solo with and without avatar. It doesn’t make near enough of a difference to eliminate the need for other buffs. You even mentioning that preprocing shielding to make up the difference is LAUGHABLE and shows just how big of a fucking newb you are.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

YOU USED MULTIPLE PLAYERS AND 4 DIFFERENT CHARACTERS.

Once again, the FACT is that you did not achieve the kill BY YOURSELF. You needed another player to buff you, with multiple other characters.

Wrong again, I did kill it by myself. No one else got agro. I was the only one to pull, take damage, deal damage, and killed the mob - SOLO. The fact that you think having outside buffs is the same as having other people with you healing, tanking. debuffing, and DPSing is just ridiculous.Again you seem to have no retort to the fact that this is in fact solo by the GMs definition and the play nice rules.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A single person being able to do the kill by swapping to another of their own characters is ONE PLAYER, and the fastest way to do the kill is by using that method.

That’s great, no one is debating that, yet you still don’t seem to understand that that has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. I don’t give a damn if it’s “faster”. I chose this method because I wanted to do it with ONE character without the need to swap back and forth.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Then why did you get the buffs from all those other classes and need them to do the kill, if they are abilities your class "already has"??

What the actual fuck is wrong with you? This total lack of logic is unbelievable.

Once again you are just objectively wrong. No, buffs do not give me additional abilities that are not available to the monk class otherwise. Adding stats is not the same as adding abilities, moron. The only one with the flawed sense of logic here is you.

When someone that’s soloing a camp gets outside buffs, do you think the people that buffed the soloer are entitled to a roll on the loot? NO - they’re not! You know why? Because them buffing the person doesn’t automatically make them apart of the group or the kill, genius.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WHAT name?? I don't save the names of all the thousands of different characters I've interacted with, particularly someone doing a routine farm of a camp that has been happening for ages. You're the one who is full of shit, being ignorant to what others have done in the game and thinking you're omniscient and have done something totally new.

Ok everybody, we’re now on post #5 since he claimed to have buffed someone on red that has solo’d the spore king years ago, without charges, yet he still cannot come up with the name of this fabled soloer, nor any shred of evidence for his bullshit story.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is exactly pure busy work, LOL. It does not take any relevant amount of skill to accrue DKP in this game and it has nothing to do with the mechanical skill of completing [B][/B]a solo challenge.

You're delusional, like a lot of PvE'rs in these kinds of games, thinking what you're doing is anything more than a rat race. It's a totally fabricated carrot on the stick, designed to you keep you hooked by forcing time to be spent on the repetitive grind of accruing more gear/levels, and requiring very little real skill, so that nearly anyone who wants to put the time in can achieve it.

LOL just busy work eh? Whatever you say, dude. Even with pretty much full BiS in nearly every slot, and even after developing a strat that doesn’t rely on RNG hardly at all (by snaring and regening to start the fight at 100%) it’s still JUST BARELY even possible WITH outside buffs. That’s not even mentioning me 2h toggling the Abashi for max DPS which is something that takes a metric fuckton of time and practice to master..

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And that is exactly why I don't put more time into this dead-end game. There is no point in wasting my life on that. There's nothing intellectually or creatively stimulating about it, I've already seen all the sights and discovered all the possibilities. Using a small amount of free time to discuss what the game could be and how it played during classic is far more interesting than actually playing it.

And that is exactly why no one here takes anything you say seriously. You’re just a pathetic troll screaming from the sidelines about how you could do it better, or how it’s already been done before in more impressive fashion. It’s sad and just pathetic really. Until you login and actually backup literally ANYTHING you say or claim, you’re just pissing in the wind, with everyone laughing at you.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Half a dozen people in this thread alone have disputed it, and someone not outright disputing the definition of "solo" doesn't mean they think soloing with outside buffs is the most pure or impressive form possible.

Ohh so we’re up to half a dozen now eh?? LOL - please name them. There’s like 3 of you, maybe 4 at most, but definitely not even close to the majority of people that have commented on the kill.

I don’t even know why I’m still wasting my time replying to you. Anyone with half a brain, that actually plays this game, can see what a jealous little bitch you are. For a while I thought you were just really stupid, but no one is THAT stupid. I’m more convinced that you’re just an insecure little twat that can only lift himself up by trying to bring others down. Every time you post you just make yourself look more and more pathetic and/or retarded.

[Samoht]

Okay, so you know what raid buffs are and you just choose to ignore the fact that being fully raid buffed is not solo.

Gotcha.

This is an example of cognitive dissonence in the wild, and it's quite interesting.

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay, so you know what raid buffs are and you just choose to ignore the fact that being fully raid buffed is not solo.

Gotcha.

This is an example of cognitive dissonence in the wild, and it's quite interesting.

You 2 morons are the only ones still trying to claim that anything more than self buffs makes something not solo. It’s mind boggling how you can possibly try to claim that buffs are equivalent to having others there with you healing, dpsing, tanking, debuffing, etc.

Go take a look at the play nice rules. If you are the only one to agro and kill the mob, you are solo. There’s a reason GMs don’t just award people with loot or let them roll on shit just because they buffed someone. No one in their right mind would even try to claim they helped and are entitled to a roll just because they buffed the person that killed it. Thats not how this game works. Being buffed doesnt magically mean that you’re not solo. Y’all are just straight up delusional if you are seriously trying to argue against that.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay, so you know what raid buffs are and you just choose to ignore the fact that being fully raid buffed is not solo.

Gotcha.

This is an example of cognitive dissonence in the wild, and it's quite interesting.

You just don't understand basic math. Aego + FoS is 1500 HP, which is 5 Wort Pot Charges. Monks have 40% spell haste with Epic, and Monk Epic gives more attack than VoG. The extra DPS from +18% haste would simply translate to another Wort Pot or two. The extra HP would give 1 more Wort pot via mend. Even by Zur's standards, 8 Wort Pots is less HP than a reaper.

OP could have done his video with a reasonable amount of wort pots instead of raid buffs. OP was just smart and saved money with buffs. Your point is moot even by your own standards.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You just don't understand basic math. Aego + FoS is 1500 HP, which is 5 Wort Pot Charges. Monks have 40% spell haste with Epic, and Monk Epic gives more attack than VoG. The extra DPS from +18% haste would simply translate to another Wort Pot or two. The extra HP would give 1 more Wort pot via mend. Even by Zur's standards, 8 Wort Pots is less HP than a reaper.

OP could have done his video with a reasonable amount of wort pots instead of raid buffs. OP was just smart and saved money with buffs. Your point is moot even by your own standards.

If having raid buffs is such a small advantage, just click them off. Seems pretty easy to achieve a solo kill if you think the buffs contribute so little.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If having raid buffs is such a small advantage, just click them off. Seems pretty easy to achieve a solo kill if you think the buffs contribute so little.

Let me ask you a question. Let's say you are self buffed only, and do not have see invis on as a buff or worn effect. If someone runs by during your solo kill with a bracer of the hidden and gives you see invis, does that mean the fight was no longer solo?

To be clear, the see invis buff gives you no benefit during the fight. There isn't an invisible mob/player you need to keep track of. The mob does not dispel, so you aren't using it as a junk buff.

I'll wait for your answer. The math on how much benefit OP got from VoG + Aego + FoS is easy to do, especially when we have the video. We can convert the benefit of these raid buffs into a specific number of Wort Pot charges.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.