New Druid Advice from the experts

[bcbrown]

I took a quick look through the Warrens. I wouldn't recommend it for anyone new to druid charming. It'd be a fun challenge for someone who's done before, but the lack of easy access to a zoneline and the cramped space make it significantly harder than learning in EK.

If I wanted to farm plat while leveling on a druid, I'd go bandits, OOT gargoyles, zip through the 30s with CT gators, spend a level or two in NK/EK charming griffons into hill giants, then go to CC geonids.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I took a quick look through the Warrens. I wouldn't recommend it for anyone new to druid charming.

I disagree. Considering you didn't know there were bats in the Warrens until a few days ago, your assesment is probably surface level. Lets dig a little deeper.

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It'd be a fun challenge for someone who's done before, but the lack of easy access to a zoneline and the cramped space make it significantly harder than learning in EK.

Remember that the Warrens zoneline is next to a city (Paineel), and Druids get Gate at level 5. You can ask a higher level for a bind near the Warrens entrance and use Gate to escape bad situations. Warrens also has wider areas than typical dungeons, especially when compared to dungeons like Guk.

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I wanted to farm plat while leveling on a druid, I'd go bandits, OOT gargoyles, zip through the 30s with CT gators, spend a level or two in NK/EK charming griffons into hill giants, then go to CC geonids.

The benefit of the Warrens > Paineel route plat-wise is you get access to killing guards at a low level. Guards drop their loot very consistently, which is why they are good plat farming spots. Gargoyle eyes don't drop as frequently as guard weapons generally speaking. Quite a few guard spots have a 100% drop rate for their weapons. Warrens mobs drop bronze weapons as well.


The other benefits of the Warrens > paineel route are Heretic faction and a few loot drops if you do want to scratch that itch. Heretic faction is good for if you want to do the Hole in later levels. You don't need to farm the faction at a higher level.

There are a few ok Druid pieces in the Warrens. The drop rate on most of the noob items was pretty good from what I remember. I wouldn't recommend camping these items, but you can check on the named spots from time to time and kill them. You'll get track at 20 too.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Filth_Covered_Boots
https://wiki.project1999.com/Etched_Chitin_Shield
https://wiki.project1999.com/Cast_Iron_Stein
https://wiki.project1999.com/Bracer_of_the_Forlorn
https://wiki.project1999.com/Krode%27s_Shawl

Theoretically you could try for
https://wiki.project1999.com/Scepter_of_the_Forlorn after you have leveled up on guards. It sells for 3k. I wouldn't recommend camping the scepter as the drop rate is pretty bad, but if you see him up on track you could try it out.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I disagree. Considering you didn't know there were bats in the Warrens until a few days ago

Yeah, talking a zone you just explored clearly means you don't know what you're talking about. It'd be like posting in a Druid advice thread and arguing about Druid charming, when you've never, you know, charmed as a Druid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, talking a zone you just explored clearly means you don't know what you're talking about. It'd be like posting in a Druid advice thread and arguing about Druid charming, when you've never, you know, charmed as a Druid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've done quite a bit of killing and item camping in the Warrens. I've done quite a bit of charming on my Enchanter.

Lormain has lost all of the debates in this thread so throughly he is backed into the corner. Fallacies and lies are all he can muster.

Please quit while you are behind and stop spamming the thread.

You still haven't addressed this post:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Loramin still refuses to acknowledge he attacked me first in this thread. He blames me... for his attack on me.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...8&postcount=22

Remember when Loramin said he admits when he is wrong, and then immediately refuses to admit he was wrong in the next post?

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=199

Yes, there are multiple bad posters in this thread who refuse to take responsibility for their actions, including yourself Loramin.

Blaming me for your bad behavior is silly. Everybody can read the thread. Your behavior makes you look childish and delusional.

[loramin]

If I were you, I wouldn't be proud of bringing that up ... since it proves the opposite of what you're trying to prove.

When you referrred to the ring's mana savings, I initially assumed you were referring to the direct mana saving, ie. the invis mana it saves you. You claimed I assumed incorrectly:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For context, he specified the mana saving wasn't for "invis mana", it was for nukes. Mana is mana, saving mana means you have more mana for any spell you want. I never claimed that the mana saved was exculsively used for invis.

But then BCBrown called you out:

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When you say the goblin ring saves mana, exactly what are you saying? Are you talking about the mana savings from not having to cast the 30 mana IVA? Do you believe there any other mana savings from using a gobling ring?

Your response was:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you click Goblin Ring 10 times in an hour, you saved 300 mana by not casting spell invis for 30 mana each time. If you click it more, you get more savings.

Flowing Thought 1 gives you 600 mana per hour.

Both give you a few hundred mana per hour, and people like that. People pay 60k for that 600 mana per hour.

You are assuming you need Goblin Ring to save nuke mana. I disagree, and you haven't supplied any evidence showing you need Goblin Ring to save that nuke mana. This is referring to using instant invis to break charm later, which allows you to use a lower cost nuke.

... demonstrating that you were in fact thinking of the only invis mana. This happened on page 22: even after twenty-two pages, you still didn't understand the primary way the ring saves mana!

So no, that's not embarassing to me in the slightest ... except for the part when I gave you the benefit of the doubt, and apologized (when I in fact called you out correctly in the first place).

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

... demonstrating that you were in fact thinking of the only invis mana. This happened on page 22: even after twenty-two pages, you still didn't understand the primary way the ring saves mana!

So no, that's not embarassing to me in the slightest ... except for the part when I gave you the benefit of the doubt and apologized, when I shouldn't have.

Yikes. The desparation here is honestly embarassing. For a person who claims to admit when they make a mistake, you are literally doing mental gymnastics here to try and save face.

This is your problem Loramin. You think your interpretation of someones words must be correct, and the person who wrote those words has no say on the matter. Unfortunately you think up really strange concepts that don't match people's words. This is why I say you have reading comprehension issues.

All I can say is you brought up "invis mana" as a term. I didn't. That is a concept you created and projected on to me.

If you think this quote implies you are only saving "invis mana":

If you click Goblin Ring 10 times in an hour, you saved 300 mana by not casting spell invis for 30 mana each time. If you click it more, you get more savings.

Flowing Thought 1 gives you 600 mana per hour.

Both give you a few hundred mana per hour, and people like that. People pay 60k for that 600 mana per hour.

You are assuming you need Goblin Ring to save nuke mana. I disagree, and you haven't supplied any evidence showing you need Goblin Ring to save that nuke mana. This is referring to using instant invis to break charm later, which allows you to use a lower cost nuke.

That is further proof you can't read well.

[bcbrown]

Pretty sure the only reason DSM is so fixated on warrens/paneel is that fatdog thread from seven years ago.

It's a fine suggestion for an off-the-beaten-path leveling route for a druid. If you want to charm as much as possible it's clearly worse than EK. Having to use gate as a safety hatch is clearly worse than being able to easily run to zone (with a friendly guard there). Having to run back across the entire zone to the bats from the Paneel side takes time.

And you're not going to get the necessary Paneel faction by the time everything greens out anyway.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sure the only reason DSM is so fixated on warrens/paneel is that fatdog thread from seven years ago.

Not really. I've done Warrens before. It's a fun zone. The fatdog thread is just another data point, and Druid specific.

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Having to use gate as a safety hatch is clearly worse than being able to easily run to zone (with a friendly guard there). Having to run back across the entire zone to the bats from the Paneel side takes time.

East Karana is a big zone too. Gate is a great escape tool, not sure why you are trying to knock it.

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And you're not going to get the necessary Paneel faction by the time everything greens out anyway.

It sounds like you haven't done Warrens for Heretic factioning before.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

East Karana is a big zone too. Gate is a great escape tool, not sure why you are trying to knock it.

I'm guessing you've never charmed in EK before. You set up along the river just north of the bridge. That way you can easily run to zone if you need to. Gate is a great escape tool but a nearby zoneline is even better. Doesn't cost mana, no chance of getting interrupted, and you'll have sow up too.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It sounds like you haven't done Warrens for Heretic factioning before.

I'm just going off Fatdog's thread:

At this point, we need faction and faction primarily. Foodmaster and Smithy may or may not spawn as Exp-giving mobs, but the pit fighters still will.
22 will be painfully slow as we are basically farming faction at this point. To avoid going insane, I recommend taking up alternative hobbies you can do while AFK; browsing instagram, knitting, reading a book or even braiding your cat's hair.

Upon dinging in level 23, I realized something. I have severaly underestimated the amount of faction per kill I was getting. So much so, that being the lovely tree hugger that I am, even killing doggos from level 8 to 23 has still got me at threatening with Paineel.

[shovelquest]

Hey @grok what are these guys talking about.