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Pox is still the superior spell over Bane. Both cost the same amount of mana, but Pox does more damage, and takes longer to clear. This means you have more time between Pox casts to regain your mana for the next round of DoTs, debuffs, etc. Don't get me wrong, Bane still has it's uses. I used it a lot when soloing 4 way in Kael, because those mobs have a lot of innate HP regen. But when fighting WW Dragons, I never use it because it just wastes a lot more mana. It's much safer to kill the Dragon a bit slower, and save your mana for whatever may happen during the fight. But when you have to pick between the two due to money concerns, Pox is the superior spell every time, and not a lot of fights (at least in my experience) require you to use both. Normally one is enough, plus your other DPS from things like JBB, Epic, and Pet. That is why I usually put Bane at the bottom of the list of expensive spells. It is the least used of my expensive spells.
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Last edited by DeathsSilkyMist; 07-29-2022 at 11:55 AM..
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igpbLuNe0ls By the end of the fight, I am around 40% life and 10% Mana. If I had used Bane instead of Pox, I would be burning through my mana much faster, due to it's shorter duration. WW Dragons have high innate regen, so whenever your buffs wear off you are losing time because their regen starts healing them again. Now, could I try to power through the fight with Bane to save a few minutes? Yes, but it is riskier. In my experience saving a minute or two via increased DPS is not worth the increased risk of having to start the fight over, which takes much longer due to healing, repositioning, repulling, etc. Being a Torpor Shaman involves understanding how quickly you can use HP/Mana during a fight safely, and from my experience Pox gives you a more stable experience, even if it is a bit slower. Having a longer period between re-casting DoTs means you have more time to Cannibalize/Torpor. Shamans also cast a LOT of spells, so reducing how often you cast can help in a fight too.
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Last edited by DeathsSilkyMist; 07-29-2022 at 04:04 PM..
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To your point, it's obviously more nuanced: sometimes you want to kill as quickly as possible, sometimes you want to get the most damage you can for your mana. For the longer fights, Pox is clearly superior (although even so, I still use Bane on long fights ... it's just that when I'm low on mana I stop). But on the other hand, if you want to kill a mob quickly (say, before it agroes another mob), obviously Bane and nukes are superior. Some fights are even fast enough that Pox won't last the entire fight, which can make it even less efficient than Bane.
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Bane is the lesser of the two end game DoT spells. Nobody said it is useless, it is simply the least useful of the expensive spells, which is why you shouldn't prioritize it if you are budgeting money.
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It makes sense that you use pox -- the dpm advantage looks significant. All I'm saying is that if it did the damage faster it would be better. You could pace yourself with an 18 tic timer or by your mana and get the same outcome, but would have the option of doing more damage if the situation called for it.
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From experience I have found that going the faster but riskier route ends up just wasting more time. Every time you have to gate out you have lost any time advantage Bane gave you, and probably more.
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It's definitely better to be using Bane of Knife along with the Disease DoT in this fight, as killing the target faster creates more efficiency. Look at how you even waste mana on recasting Malo because of how slow you are to kill. Not to mention, killing faster is simply better anyway, more time to move onto the next thing. Telling people to avoid getting Bane of Knife until last resort is awful advice. That spell helps a ton when trying to level/farm or for general grouping to generate DPS, where most of the time a Disease DoT is not going to be lasting anywhere close to full duration on a pull.
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This also shows how bad you are at understanding DPS, or even Shamans. Most groups clear content so fast that using Bane or Pox would be a waste of mana lol. This is especially true before you get Torpor. The spell costs 425 mana, which is a lot even for a Torpor Shaman. But again, you think DPS is magic, so I am not suprised by this bad take.
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Last edited by DeathsSilkyMist; 07-30-2022 at 12:26 PM..
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Let me give you a more practical example using WW Dragons. On average it takes me 20 minutes to pull and kill one. I only have an hour to play. Lets say I increase my DPS to shave 3 minutes off of each kill.
Do you know how many WW Dragons I could kill in an hour at 17 minutes each? 3 lol. This is again something you don't really understand. Just increasing DPS doesn't guarantee that you pass the threshold for gaining additional kills per hour. It depends on a lot of factors. When you aren't gaining any additional kills per hour, why increase your risk of death for the sake of DPS? It isn't gaining you anything other than increasing the chance of decreasing how many kills you get per hour.
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