Monk v.s. Warrior

[Snaggles]

For most races STA is a safe bet. I’d rather have as many HP’s buffed or unbuffed as possible.

The old approach of hitting 75 AGI with starting points is good on paper but there is almost no way you won’t pick up a 5 points along the way with an ogre and a base 70. Even soloing in the low levels with a fungi the regen is making up for any defense blip being under that magic number.

If your loot treadmill guarantees BiS stuff there is an argument for even CHA for higher chances of Divine Intervention triggering. Really, if you are in this camp not much is going to affect your experience, certainly not starting points.

[sajbert]

I don't know how hard it is to hit 255 sta on a gnome war with full points in charisma but I'm guessing that it's possible with BIS or near-BIS gear? As an Ogre however sta feels rather dead and I agree with that 5pts in agi is just wasted. For leveling dex is likely the best bet, at least for the twinks and should give far better return than agi. Once buffs and primal weapons are a reality agi, dex and str don't matter. So I guess true minmax is charisma for the ultimate warrior?

[Keebz]

Originally Posted by Solist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What raid pulling does a monk do.

I pull & tank HoT when we 6 man it.
Same for hate minis. Maybe general just stuffing around like flurries or whatever clearing in tov.

Almost no reason to ever use a monk otherwise. Tl boxes and wands is faster better more reliable for a riot sized guild.

There is no ‘pulling’ like old days.

Sneak/flop is still nice for getting into position to send eyes, back tag, provide greater visibility, instant engage, etc. Voiddance while not entirely unique is also great for holding shit esp when things are little messy. This is all mostly just for clearing trash though.

To your point, a TL (or cap, amulet etc) and some know-how is like 95% of the pulls. The other 5% might require a bump and/or idol.

[Solist]

You add all points to Dex on both a warrior and a monk.

Unless you intend to play in 10-15man guild sillyness like Project Lightning does where we rely heavily on DI and the tanks charisma, charisma song, charisma potions etc. In which case those buffs take up valuable buff slots. Most guilds just let the tank die and another one gets aggro once chain is up, and life goes on.

As a monk you want max dex in almost all situations, you are the highest aggro generating tank in the game in many situations, and a far far better tank than a knight for most situations. Aggro gen is key. More fist procs more win.

You cap stamina without gearing for stamina fairly easily. You cap str easily, and agi gives no appreciable returns. Charisma really is a strong contender but I feel the majority of people benefit from the dex far more.

[questever]

Originally Posted by Solist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You add all points to Dex on both a warrior and a monk.

Unless you intend to play in 10-15man guild sillyness like Project Lightning does where we rely heavily on DI and the tanks charisma, charisma song, charisma potions etc. In which case those buffs take up valuable buff slots. Most guilds just let the tank die and another one gets aggro once chain is up, and life goes on.

As a monk you want max dex in almost all situations, you are the highest aggro generating tank in the game in many situations, and a far far better tank than a knight for most situations. Aggro gen is key. More fist procs more win.

You cap stamina without gearing for stamina fairly easily. You cap str easily, and agi gives no appreciable returns. Charisma really is a strong contender but I feel the majority of people benefit from the dex far more.

DEX over STA is the play even if I'm not playing an ogre?

[Philistine]

Originally Posted by questever [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DEX over STA is the play even if I'm not playing an ogre?

Personally I don't think so. I play an iksar warrior and put all my points into STA. I have BIS or 2nd BIS in most slots and still have only 246 STA without buffs.

If you are truly going to get straight up BIS then sure, you'll hit 255 regardless, but it will likely take literal years to get there. If you look up the 2nd BIS gear, you'll notice quite a bit of it doesn't have sta, so I do mean BIS BIS.

[Keebz]

I would not put anything in dex as a monk. You start with 95 and avatar exists. While leveling, all your monk gear is covered in dex and there's large chance you're not trying to proc anything anyway. STA every time imho.

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by Philistine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Personally I don't think so. I play an iksar warrior and put all my points into STA. I have BIS or 2nd BIS in most slots and still have only 246 STA without buffs.

If you are truly going to get straight up BIS then sure, you'll hit 255 regardless, but it will likely take literal years to get there. If you look up the 2nd BIS gear, you'll notice quite a bit of it doesn't have sta, so I do mean BIS BIS.

Self-buffed monk can cap sta relatively easily (well monk gear will always cost a lot of DKP) without putting points into stamina.

Stamina only makes sense if you want to save a stamina buffslot and gear for max resists for minmax raid pulling. Or of course if you don’t have imaginary levels of raid gear to hit those caps.

Charisma on monk is a more or less a dead stat. Agi is worse than dex and avatar doesn’t change that. Str is a waste once you’re geared. Your monk may not even use a proc weapon other than primal and dex still wins out if you’re not going stamina, and stamina only has incredibly niche use you hit that silly gear levels.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agreed.

That and the power curve from 52 (evasive) all the way to 60 (triple attack) is like going super saiyan compared to warrior power prior to 52. Far more rewarding than playing the monk imo.

People who shit on warriors probably haven’t gone through the process of actually leveling one … or did so from a point of extreme twinkage and never got to FEEL the dopamine hits that went along with critical upgrades.

idk man 1000+ crip blows w/ my eashen sword at level 46 was a nice dopamine spike

[cd288]

Originally Posted by questever [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DEX over STA is the play even if I'm not playing an ogre?

I would not go that route. They've done parses and shown that dex only barely increases the proc rate of weapons. Like barely as in not even really worth putting anything into the stat because the increase in proc chance is so small.

Unless you're twinking the char with STA gear might as well just go STA.