Monk v.s. Warrior

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where are these infinite bandages coming from while soloing? Doesn't sound like the OP is going to have someone on the beck and call to be delivering them at the drop of a hat. If you are that well set up, then it would seem your interest should be in having the more powerful character at 60. So, the Iksar. The regen and AC bonus still reduces downtime anyway, they aren't going to be leveling much slower. Human sucks.

Is Iksar statistically better and the obvious min/max choice at 60? Of course. I'm just saying the difference isn't as drastic as people seem to think, and it doesn't offset the XP penalty. The Monk class is so overpowered itself and has such insane itemization that the Iksar racials are just icing on the cake. And Human Monks are one of the coolest race/class combinations in the game. It's a shame more people don't roll them because they think they'll have a gimped character otherwise.

[Keebz]

The iksar regen is super noticeable if you solo or duo without dedicated heals.

Human monks are pretty sweet though.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cool math but it doesn't work out that way in practice. 30% extra Regen sounds impressive on paper but in real world conditions it doesn't offset the XP penalty. Monks can already bind wound to 75% at 50+ and the Fungi and Mend take care of the rest.

Disagree. Made my monk human for fashion-quest. As such no regrets ... but I would have leveled to 60 faster and been a far more powerful monk at level 60 if I'd chosen iksar.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Human Monks are one of the coolest race/class combinations in the game. It's a shame more people don't roll them because they think they'll have a gimped character otherwise.

Depends what you consider "gimped" but the difference between picking Iksar or Human is one of the biggest in the game in terms of selecting a race. Personally I wouldn't want to waste time on something completely inferior.

The AC bonus for Iksar results in taking 7-8% less damage and the regen really does make a big difference. When in feign death, a common thing for a Monk to be able to move around or pull, it's 9 more HP per tick at Level 60. If the Iksar race didn't exist and there was a very rare item that gave +9 regen and stacked with everything, it would be one of the costliest items in the game. You can't deny that.

I really think you're being unhelpful trying to say "the bonuses aren't worth the exp penalty". Again, even if you had infinite bandages while leveling, the AC bonus + standing regen bonus is still going to result in being able to kill more...therefore making the exp penalty mostly irrelevant.

[Vexenu]

I mean, I've leveled both, so I'm not talking out of my ass here. But I think most of the "Iksar superiority" is an illusion, especially once you get into Fungi/T-staff/Epic/CoF levels of gear and beyond. It's important to remember that until level 51, the Iksar literally only regens 1 hp more while standing, which is +10 hp per minute. That's obviously not doing anything to offset a 20% XP penalty. If you've got a Monk twinked with a Fungi/CoF/T-Staff he's going to be running around killing practically non-stop anyway, so the Iksar sitting regen advantage is totally irrelevant.

Even getting deeper into the 50s the regen is not that much of a factor. For example, at level 57 the Iksar is +7 and +10 standing/sitting. That's 70 and 100 hp per minute. Sure, it's not nothing, but that's literally just one hit from a mob. And when you're solo and can bind to 75%, it's just not that noticeable. And if you're duoing with a Shaman or Cleric it's even less noticeable. And if you're 60 and on a pull team, you're obviously going to have a Fungi and Regrowth regardless of race.

That being said, the Iksar is inarguably min/max, and the regen is definitely noticeable if you're soloing in a bad spot, get very low on HP and have to regen while FD. But that's not a super common scenario in my experience, and not worth sacrificing the unquestionable superiority of the Human Monk fashionquest, which is one of the best in the game.

Basically, my point is that from 1-50, the difference is almost entirely non-existent (at least while twinked). In the 50s, it can become somewhat apparent depending on how you're leveling, but is still not that great. And raiding at 60, you're going to be fully buffed and receiving heals anyway, rendering the regen advantage fairly irrelevant.

Don't be afraid, bros. Take the Human Monk pill.

[Zuranthium]

Getting from 51 to 60 generally takes longer than gaining the previous 50 levels. If you're super twinked, then definitely it does. The early levels are a breeze.

For raiding the AC is significant, and the regen still can be too. For soloing/grouping, obviously they make an impact. To me it feels bad to play something that's mechanically worse for no reason. If humans had a small DPS advantage, then it wouldn't feel bad. You'd know there's something you can do better. Hell, even if faction was more relevant in the game, that would at least be something.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Getting from 51 to 60 generally takes longer than gaining the previous 50 levels. If you're super twinked, then definitely it does. The early levels are a breeze.

For raiding the AC is significant, and the regen still can be too. For soloing/grouping, obviously they make an impact. To me it feels bad to play something that's mechanically worse for no reason. If humans had a small DPS advantage, then it wouldn't feel bad. You'd know there's something you can do better. Hell, even if faction was more relevant in the game, that would at least be something.

Iksar are at -10 cold resist. Shaman nukes are relevant pretty much the entire levelling process, and ice comet when pulling seb later on. These spells give a sliver of advantage to human for people that need some kind of functional perk to step outside min max. Iksar surely minmax though. Mine is an iksar female just to look a little different.

[Snaggles]

Iksar monks, “Innate regen is HUGE. The racial perk is class-making”
Paladins, “we get a 8hp regen that stacks with everything. It’s on page 11.”

Play the race you want. Put a fungi on either. Level 20% slower with the tail.

Monk is certainly easier. I think I’d rather have the warrior at the end though and go through the extra pain.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Iksar are at -10 cold resist. Shaman nukes are relevant pretty much the entire levelling process, and ice comet when pulling seb later on. These spells give a sliver of advantage to human for people that need some kind of functional perk to step outside min max.

LOL, well it was a valiant attempt. I'm not sure 10 cold resist stops more damage than just having regen.

[cd288]

If that guy had actually leveled both Human and Iksar Monks to 60 then he wouldn't be saying the regen isn't that important. I mean, for sure pre-50 it's probably not that big of a deal (especially if the human has a fungi tunic). But in the 50s if you're soloing the Iksar regen definitely outpaces the time that you lose due to the EXP penalty (ESPECIALLY if you don't have a Fungi Tunic).

You might not see this massive gulf between the races if you just look at once level, but over the course of the entire 50-60 grind there is a significant difference in leveling time overall in favor of Iksar (obviously, not if you're just killing like 1 static spawn every 6:40 and just semi-AFK though). That being said, is it significant enough that I would say picking human is stupid if you enjoy playing a human monk? Not at all; play what you like...but if your goal is solely quickest/most efficient to level to 60 then it's Iksar.