Are we allowed to like AI art?

[Ciderpress]

I think totally yes we are, and it's awesome. Visual art, music, poetry, whatever.

It's the Wagner problem; you can't decide if you like a piece of art only after you find out who made it. I mean, you can try I guess, it's a free country.

"I think this painting is beautiful, for the time being, but if I find out Frank made it then it sucks." is incoherent.

Also I'm really bored trying to level my rogue sorry.

[Ekco]

yeah, AI art is fine. "artist" have always been so far up their own ass most people are enjoying their pain in a schadenfreude way.

I've been on this train ever since electricsheep.org was putting fractals in electronic lcd frames and selling them 15 years ago.


I'm more concerned with writers and chatgpt. one of the amateur sci-fi writer contests got shut down after like 70 years because submissions increased by like 9000% because of chatgpt

[Ciderpress]

Originally Posted by Ekco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah, AI art is fine. "artist" have always been so far up their own ass most people are enjoying their pain in a schadenfreude way.

Very true. If nothing else, AI art is automatically way better than most "modern art" made by humans where some talentless asshole dumps soup on the floor and lays in it, and they put little velvet ropes around it and call it a piece.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Ekco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm more concerned with writers and chatgpt. one of the amateur sci-fi writer contests got shut down after like 70 years because submissions increased by like 9000% because of chatgpt

That includes them Hollywood types who like to go on strike despite already being worth millions.

[sajbert]

People complaining about AI-art have few if any legs to stand on.

”AI is theft”: So are your works. Like, how does anyone draw manga without having seen manga first? Where do people think their ideas come from, magic? We work the same as AI in that regard. Even if you dream or you’re tripping acid your brain gets it from somewhere. Nobody can grow up in a blank room and paint a forest.

”Artists will become unemployed”: Sure, some will, or more likely some will find that it’s not a viable career path snd pursue otjer ventures instead. Should we halt technological progression? Revolt against the industry! People enjoy their modern comforts after all.

AI is boh fun and useful and will likely make micro-gamestudio projects possible. Perhaps one day AI could recreate original Everquest from programming to art.

[Ekco]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody can grow up in a blank room and paint a forest.

If we weren't burdened by ethics... tests like this could be done lol.

there is a story about one kid who got locked in a room by religious parents who were attempting to find the first human language like Tower of Babel story shit by preventing the kid from having any contact with the outside world or teaching it anything not to let a tragedy go to waste linguist and psychologists learned a lot from that case.

[Ciderpress]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People complaining about AI-art have few if any legs to stand on.

”AI is theft”: So are your works. Like, how does anyone draw manga without having seen manga first? Where do people think their ideas come from, magic? We work the same as AI in that regard. Even if you dream or you’re tripping acid your brain gets it from somewhere. Nobody can grow up in a blank room and paint a forest.

”Artists will become unemployed”: Sure, some will, or more likely some will find that it’s not a viable career path snd pursue otjer ventures instead. Should we halt technological progression? Revolt against the industry! People enjoy their modern comforts after all.

AI is boh fun and useful and will likely make micro-gamestudio projects possible. Perhaps one day AI could recreate original Everquest from programming to art.

Yes pretty much this exactly. Almost zero artists invent any of the tools they use to create their art. Mozart didn't invent the 12 tone equal tempered scale, he just used it. Chuck Berry didn't invent the electric guitar, he just used it. Who cares? Do you like the output or not?

If you work in the arts for a living, I can see why it's threatening but I'd take it as any other challenge. It's always been adapt or die making money in the arts.

[Duik]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes pretty much this exactly. Almost zero artists invent any of the tools they use to create their art. Mozart didn't invent the 12 tone equal tempered scale, he just used it. Chuck Berry didn't invent the electric guitar, he just used it. Who cares? Do you like the output or not?

If you work in the arts for a living, I can see why it's threatening but I'd take it as any other challenge. It's always been adapt or die making money in the arts.

That is what humans do, we innovate. It has tajen many iterations (for some of us) to get good enuf to take the next step. Like the LLMs do.
What Duik! Are you mad?

I say if the LLM owners want to emulate that make a machine that can teach other machines stuff then make new stuff based on that stuff. Like humans do.
But, without the use of humans to teach it our hard earned lessons.

Make smart A.I but please dont be stupid enuf to think (after we do all the teaching) we will benefit from it (as a group) when its lessons are over. We will be screwed over. Its what the entitled wealthy and corporations do.

But continue onward with the simping for A.I. It suits the lame and under educated.

Shutup and sit down A.I and then do my washing up. Bitch.

[Ekco]

yeah, this is basically just the universe telling them to fuck off at this point.

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[Reiwa]

"Artists" in today's definition of the term should be obsoleted as soon as is possible.