Do you consider torpor to be truly classic?

[Wakanda]

I'm not gonna' say it isn't, all imma say is I don't remember it being a big deal at the time. I definitely experienced it, and found it to be the most annoying spell in the game as a Rogue who frequently pulled for the group. But I don't remember ever witnessing Torpor do anything amazing.

When I start reading about it most people say it's because the spell had an insane mana drain until 2002.

What is y'alls thoughts on this?

[Ciderpress]

It shouldn't cost what it does. It lets shamans solo some stuff they otherwise couldn't, and has some utility on raids if you're short on clerics or something. It's not omgmgmg game changing as people claim it to be. It's just a very mana efficient heal over time that also gimps your movement speed and attack. Wooo.

[Ciderpress]

Maybe you meant is it classic mechanically compared to actual live classic era. That I don't know, but as it's implemented on p99 I still think it's pretty overrated.

[Jimjam]

Nothing more satisfying than clicking off a useless 100000pp spell.

[Rygar]

I seem to recall torpor having a slow component to it, not just snare but melee speed slow. If so this would mean it should classically cause you to lose any haste buffs.

I'm a bit out of touch around here, maybe it already does that.

The mana drain was proven to have been removed in timeline, it should have the drain for a period tho

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I seem to recall torpor having a slow component to it, not just snare but melee speed slow. If so this would mean it should classically cause you to lose any haste buffs.

I'm a bit out of touch around here, maybe it already does that.

The mana drain was proven to have been removed in timeline, it should have the drain for a period tho

Was also a group only spell because of this shit?

[Rygar]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Was also a group only spell because of this shit?

I thought Torpor was group only on P99 anyways, maybe I'm wrong. Here is a post talking about Torpor being group only (in era)
https://alt.games.everquest.narkive..../torpor-and-me

Something I'd forgotten from my earlier years with Stupor;
these spells can be cast only on group members. Too much opportunity to
mess with people by slowing and snaring them, I guess.

Was interesting seeing that you essentially couldn't walk backwards while torpor was active, essentially had to turn around, walk away from mob, then spin back to face them. Mentions it was a pain on summoning mobs to tank. Maybe P99 already works this way:

Actually, the biggest problem with Torpor is the snare; its really
noticable, I move forward at a walk, and can barely back up at all. On
summoning mobs, this is a pain because from time to time, even though
I'm in melee range, they summon me anyway, pulling me forward to where
I'm no longer facing them; positioning so the rest of the team is behind
the mob becomes difficult. Normally, I'd just back up to get position
back under control, but now I have to turn, move forward slowly, then
spin back around. Thats a pain.

[Danth]

Torpor has a melee slow but does not strip haste due to occupying a different buff slot type. Offhand I can't recall whether haste can be applied whilst torpor is running...I don't really try to do that. I'm thinking of how some DOT effects do not strip regen, but regen can't be applied while the debuff is on.

Shamans were solo'ing west wastes dragons in 2001 much as they do on P99. Not very many of them, due to EQ back then having drastically fewer high level players as a proportion of the player base, but they were there. It wasn't so widely known. The culture of the community was different and people tended to keep quieter about "OP-feeling" tactics out of fear of Sony nerfing stuff if it became too common.

If anything helps shamans on P99 it's that root arguably holds too consistently and can definitely be applied to too many targets at once.

[Danth]

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Torpor is indeed group-only on P99. Can't really walk backward with torpor running on P99. Have to turn sideways and strafe. I call it the "torpor shuffle." I'm *very* used to doing that on P99 after 12-13 years of duo'ing with my wife's shaman.

[Smoofers]

Posting in a bad player thread.