the i dont care about politics anymore thread

[unsunghero]

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Speaking of this, El Paso Texas has gotten 60,000 doctors, lawyers, and scientists entering from Central America from April to September 2022

The most doctors, lawyers, and scientists they got in a single week was 11,000

Juuuust about ready to declare a state of emergency. Maybe wait until after the midterms tho amirite

[unsunghero]

When you look at it, fentanyl OD’s are just population control

Eugenics! Wipe out the weak for the greater good

“For the greater good”

[Basanos]

Hey unsunghero are you in support of a universal healthcare program, or public option of some kind, in American healthcare?

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Basanos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey unsunghero are you in support of a universal healthcare program, or public option of some kind, in American healthcare?

If it was financially feasible it seems like a winner. I’d have to check in on places like UK that have implemented it on their negatives to see if those haven’t increased, the worst I’ve heard being long long waits for certain procedures but nothing near the negatives of our current system

But the financially feasible part is a big qualifier tho too

[l0053g0053]

I have lots of family in Canada and if its anything life threatening they come to the USA for medical issues. Routine stuff they wait for. My Aunt had a growth on her toe, and one year later she got the specialist appointment, and six months later it was removed. Not too bad for superficial stuff.

I would rather have single payer than Obama care. I never bought health care, or paid a fine, since it was unconstitutional and never enforced. DO THIS OR ELSE, great policy!

TORONTO (AP) — Alan Nichols had a history of depression and other medical issues, but none were life-threatening. When the 61-year-old Canadian was hospitalized in June 2019 over fears he might be suicidal, he asked his brother to “bust him out” as soon as possible.

Within a month, Nichols submitted a request to be euthanized and he was killed, despite concerns raised by his family and a nurse practitioner.

His application for euthanasia listed only one health condition as the reason for his request to die: hearing loss.

Nichols’ family reported the case to police and health authorities, arguing that he lacked the capacity to understand the process and was not suffering unbearably — among the requirements for euthanasia. They say he was not taking needed medication, wasn’t using the cochlear implant that helped him hear, and that hospital staffers improperly helped him request euthanasia.

“Alan was basically put to death,” his brother Gary Nichols said.

https://apnews.com/article/covid-sci...d2b5cfd360a867

[Basanos]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it was financially feasible it seems like a winner. I’d have to check in on places like UK that have implemented it on their negatives to see if those haven’t increased, the worst I’ve heard being long long waits for certain procedures but nothing near the negatives of our current system

But the financially feasible part is a big qualifier tho too

A fair answer.

I like to accuse those that oppose it of supporting eugenics, it opens the correct doors

are you saying the reason a narcotics addict takes drugs is out of some pro-eugenics stance?

I am pretty sure most of them are just chasing the dragon

If you were implying whoever laces heroin with fent is actually working for some government program... well... there is a precedent for that...

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Basanos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A fair answer.

I like to accuse those that oppose it of supporting eugenics, it opens the correct doors

are you saying the reason a narcotics addict takes drugs is out of some pro-eugenics stance?

I am pretty sure most of them are just chasing the dragon

If you were implying whoever laces heroin with fent is actually working for some government program... well... there is a precedent for that...

I don’t think it’s as much laced as it is simply unregulated. The amount of actual medication in most prescription medications is almost microscopic, the rest of the “pill” is just safe filler ingredients to make it large enough to pick up with one’s hand

This is sort of the same for fentanyl pills, except the filler ingredients probably aren’t safe and the amount of medication is random. Might be very little, might be a shitload, it’s not regulated in any way

People also tend to OD following bouts of sobriety. They take a long break, their tolerance goes back down, they relapse and take the amount they were taking with high tolerance, and it kills them. That’s how actor Phillip Seymour Hoffman died

Note: this is not a call to regulate and distribute recreational fentanyl tho

I just call it eugenics because that is the fatalist-viewpoint result. But the reason like you were saying is chasing the dragon

[Basanos]

I think that's part of the idea with the needle centers or whatever they were, which some conservatives and many liberals were quite opposed to

If you accept that some people are addicts, and maybe it's nature, maybe it's nurture, maybe it's both... the idea is to make it safer for them to avoid that fatal OD.

Do those needle clinics reduce the total number of addicts? I don't know

All I could think of when I saw the criticism is "stick and carrot"

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Basanos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think that's part of the idea with the needle centers or whatever they were, which some conservatives and many liberals were quite opposed to

If you accept that some people are addicts, and maybe it's nature, maybe it's nurture, maybe it's both... the idea is to make it safer for them to avoid that fatal OD.

Do those needle clinics reduce the total number of addicts? I don't know

All I could think of when I saw the criticism is "stick and carrot"

Needle clinics have the assumption that the user is going to use, and therefore if that is a given, then the user has 2 options: 1. A dirty needle they are sharing with others, or 2. A clean needle

Using a dirty needle, especially with a drug like meth, means pushing bacteria directly into your bloodstream while flooding your body with a drug that suppresses your immune system’s ability to fight infection more strongly than any other. No drug suppresses the immune system’s infection-fighting like meth, which is why meth and MRSA/staph are so common together

The result is a life-threatening and extremely expensive hospitalization. The ones I’ve seen in my job numerous times the bacteria destroyed parts of people’s hearts and they required heart surgery and valves put in and stuff. These are almost always unemployed addicts, so the state Medicaid insurance foots the $500,000+ bill for that

So it’s to prevent that suffering for the addict but moreso to save the state money. I don’t have a huge problem with them but I can understand how people would see it as enabling

[Basanos]

I understand that, but I want to flip the argument around.

The math would presumably change if the bill wasn't 500k, right? Why does treatment cost 500k in the first place? That number isn't that high for that procedure everywhere.

For context, so far, we are up to $885,000 billed to insurance since June and climbing, but the portion of that we do have to pay does not make me want to punish the poor folks who don't have the means that I do. (Not that I am implying this is what you are saying, just teasing it all out)

It makes me want a better total system. None of this shit should cost this much