State of the Economy: Ingame

[Werlop]

If a duper buys items, then the platinum that they created is distributed through the sellers. If a duper dupes items and then sells them, they will have to somehow offload that platinum. Eventually the money or items that they duped become redistributed through the market. After a long period of time, platinum equilibrates and is simply devalued by the relative % of new money that entered the system. Because prices have become stable at levels that are tolerable for even new players, it seems that the duped platinum was either 1. eliminated by banning dupers or the mass platinum purge a few months back or 2. people who dupe millions of platinum only spend a small fraction of that total before realizing that they have nothing else to buy.
If a person dupes 200 million platinum and then spends 500k of it, 500k has entered the economy. If they never spend the other 199.5M either because it is removed or because there is nothing to buy, then that extra money may as well have been burnt.

[slemmykazaam]

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[Grozmok]

Originally Posted by Dravingar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, sweet double post but who honestly buys items? Farm that shit yourself like a man.

Don't tell me how to play my game.

A big part of my enjoyment in any MMO is the buying/selling and trading of items.

[EverquestJunkie]

Originally Posted by Grozmok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't tell me how to play my game.

A big part of my enjoyment in any MMO is the buying/selling and trading of items.

^^ Nerd rage when told to acually go farm what you want ingame then cry on the fourm.

[Grozmok]

I do farm items.

Just sayin'.

[Dravingar]

Originally Posted by Grozmok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't tell me how to play my game.

A big part of my enjoyment in any MMO is the buying/selling and trading of items.

Well if all you are doing is buying/selling, duping/inflated prices will have no negative impact on you since it's all adjusted for inflation by the time you get to it.

I'm not saying that duping is not a problem that should be addressed asap and remove all traces but Uthtard is just raging like he normally does and trying to burn it down.

[Werlop]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The dupers weren't simply a couple of isolated individuals. It was easy to do and a few more happened across it every day. It was so rampant that a quarter of the server had done it at least once, whether by accident or intent. And the people who were duping didn't simply buy a handful of things and sit on the rest. They sold the plat for real money.

Which dupe are we talking about, exactly? I've been playing since July 2010; the only dupe that widespread that I remember was the corpse duping that got rolled back. Anything that occurred further back than a year ago should have been normalized by normal economic activity unless it were large enough to sink the entire economy. Since the economy never sunk, I can only assume that somewhere the total plat amount was corrected.

[Autotune]

what was that dagger dupe that spread thru EC one night like a plague?

You literally couldn't give that dagger away... lol.

[Splorf22]

Hmm, but prices seem to be going back down again. I remember when I was playing in the spring Hierophant cloaks were 100k and RBGs were 65k; when I came back the RBG had somehow gone to 110k (I'm guessing that was the duping) but it's already down to 85-90k now and probably heading back to 65k eventually. Fungis are way cheaper now (and practically half the players in sol b have one) but that's because they are common now. Again it doesn't feel to me like the rare items right now are super overpriced. If you can buy a cloak of flames for 50-100k in EC, who is going to join a raiding guild when you can go farm plat?

Why don't we have the wiki people give us some answers here? It should be easy enough to plot the auction tracker values for a few items since kunark launch.

[fischsemmel]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand this whining over inflation. Any decent farming class can get 2+ kpp an hour without too much trouble, yet really nice rare/rare items like the Sarnak Warhammer are 10k, HBC is like 3k, Black Sapphires are 4-5k. I'm pretty sure I have exactly 2 items over 15k on all three of my toons put together. Do you people expect to be able to farm seafuries for a day and then buy BIS god/dragon loot? Even now Kinbeezy is selling an RBB for 170k. I could get that with 50-60 hours of farming easily - a hell of a lot less work than the number of Vox/Gorenaire raids I'd have to go on to get it awarded in a guild.

I believe Uthgaard when he talks about duping plats, but the idea that new players or second tier guilds are getting screwed over by the tunnel is ludicrous.

This.

And besides, even if there WERE less PP in the game, items like CoF would still be just as out of reach for a new player as they are now. You might think that less pp on the server would mean lower prices on everything, but that wouldn't be the case, because every random John Doe would think "Hey, for just 10 hours of farming SFs I can afford a CoF!" ... but since there aren't any more CoF in the game than there are now, this extra demand would just keep prices as high (relatively speaking) as they are right now.