So, question about server behavior

[Wycked Goodbrew]

What would the forum lurkers suggest to a young Shaman such as myself in this situation.

I started camping the East side of the goblin fort in Warslik's Woods for Grachnist at 9:30 pm last night. It was open, so I set up shop and had only 1 Grachnist kill on my sleeve before about 45 mins later, a level 50+ Cleric walks in and starts AE'ing the entire fort ... both sides of the river.

He claims he "didn't see me anywhere" when he "checked the compound", and just continues doing his thing until (I presume) he got what he came for. So I start clearing my rotation back and a group of more 60's rush in to start killing.

They were gone within 30 mins, and a 54 Monk shows up and is talking to me. I start clearing the adds around the tents, as Grachnist has spawned inside one, and before I finish off the roamers and his tent-mate, the Monk has pulled Grachnist off to the other side of the ruins to claim him.

WTF is a 35 Shaman like myself supposed to do? I legitimately claimed one of the only cash camps I can handle myself, and it doesn't seem to matter to these entitled higher levels.

I won't give names or Guilds of the players who acted this way (one a very prominent raiding Guild on the server), since that's in poor taste, but out of the 3 hours I was there only ONE level 60 Rogue actually ASKED me if I was camping Grachnist, and asked if his alt could loot the head for a quest. (Eldon, I believe, from <Inglorious Bastards>).

Advice on how to deal with these types of bottomfeeders? And also a thank you to Eldon and IB for actually being a class act. Your competition guilds could learn a thing or two.

[lecompte]

Camps have fairly interesting rules, one of the big ones is you need to maintain a presense in the camp with force capable of killing the mob(s) and the mobs can't be up for very long. Technically, if I walked in on you, with Grachnist up and you're buffing, then medding to full mana before engaging, I can engage him just on merit of him being up without being engaged timely; while an asshole move on my part, if I see you getting ready to go for the kill, it is allowed and make sense depending on the situation.


My other piece of advice: While I am a fan and member of IB, an all around nice guy (and modest too!), you may be ill served to judge an entire guild harshly on the actions of a few -- every guild has perceived poopheads in it, and 90% of the time it is a result of a misunderstanding.

[-TK-]

Originally Posted by lecompte [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Camps have fairly interesting rules, one of the big ones is you need to maintain a presense in the camp with force capable of killing the mob(s) and the mobs can't be up for very long. Technically, if I walked in on you, with Grachnist up and you're buffing, then medding to full mana before engaging, I can engage him just on merit of him being up without being engaged timely; while an asshole move on my part, if I see you getting ready to go for the kill, it is allowed and make sense depending on the situation.

Originally Posted by lecompte [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Responding to a camp check does not a camp make. There is no requirement to respond to a CC, nor is there is a requirement to respect one.

Originally Posted by Rattle Squirrell [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was probably this asshole that stole your mob, and his mentality is the exact reason the server end game is shit.

Thanks for being a dick

My experience with Lecompte has shown the contrary. These are simply server facts that he wanted to make a new player aware of to limit future frustration. You have to be actively killing the mob/ph to claim it (i.e., it is engaged almost immediately upon spawning) and a camp check is a courtesy, not a requirement.

[daasgoot]

You can claim a camp as long as you can keep the PH's clear.

So, if someone shows up and wants to kill goblins(and you are not capable of keeping the entire fort clear).. let them know which static spawn points you want to claim as a camp and let them have the rest.

If a named spawns on one of your static spawn and the other guy steals it from you, that is a KS and against the pnp.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by daasgoot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can claim a camp as long as you can keep the PH's clear.

So, if someone shows up and wants to kill goblins(and you are not capable of keeping the entire fort clear).. let them know which static spawn points you want to claim as a camp and let them have the rest.

If a named spawns on one of your static spawn and the other guy steals it from you, that is a KS and against the pnp.

This.

If you're there first you can claim however many you can kill.

But if you're killing only 5 of the 40 in the fort, that is why people just assume that it's uncamped and will clear the other 35.

[Rattle Squirrell]

Originally Posted by -TK- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My experience with Lecompte has shown the contrary. These are simply server facts that he wanted to make a new player aware of to limit future frustration. You have to be actively killing the mob/ph to claim it (i.e., it is engaged almost immediately upon spawning) and a camp check is a courtesy, not a requirement.

Then why not be a little more blunt in general?

Just tell the new player that the way the rules are set up here completely make the players null to being decent individuals. They hide behind their lawyerquest and throw the ability to be courteous out the door as long as it the rules can benefit them in some way.

If someone is sitting in front of a named, medding and waiting to engage......sure it might SAY somewhere that it's perfectly fine to just walk up and kill what he probably spent 10 minutes to get to and ran him out of mana on the way. But it's just a dick move man.

I guess if he was just informing the new shaman of just how shitty it can be on this server of 30 year olds that have nothing better to do but troll young players because after 4 years of kunark they literally have nothing better to do.....then so be it.

[lecompte]

Originally Posted by Rattle Squirrell [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then why not be a little more blunt in general?

Just tell the new player that the way the rules are set up here completely make the players null to being decent individuals. They hide behind their lawyerquest and throw the ability to be courteous out the door as long as it the rules can benefit them in some way.

If someone is sitting in front of a named, medding and waiting to engage......sure it might SAY somewhere that it's perfectly fine to just walk up and kill what he probably spent 10 minutes to get to and ran him out of mana on the way. But it's just a dick move man.

I guess if he was just informing the new shaman of just how shitty it can be on this server of 30 year olds that have nothing better to do but troll young players because after 4 years of kunark they literally have nothing better to do.....then so be it.

and if anyone wants to know what a toxic attitude is, this is it. The reason I don't do that is because it is editorializing. Decent people be decent people. Labeling someone an "asshole" is usually just a result of a misunderstanding. Context is pretty important in trying to figure out if someone was being willfully mean and the rules don't account for context much cause that isn't something Guides can be party to.

Nice players are rewarded for being kind with trust and respect. Assholes aren't welcome in groups and are spurned by players. These are the rewards here, as it was on live.

[Rattle Squirrell]

Originally Posted by lecompte [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and if anyone wants to know what a toxic attitude is, this is it. The reason I don't do that is because it is editorializing. Decent people be decent people. Labeling someone an "asshole" is usually just a result of a misunderstanding. Context is pretty important in trying to figure out if someone was being willfully mean and the rules don't account for context much cause that isn't something Guides can be party to.

Nice players are rewarded for being kind with trust and respect. Assholes aren't welcome in groups and are spurned by players. These are the rewards here, as it was on live.

I do not generally come to these forums to call names, I apologize. Perhaps I did take what was being said out of context, I just despise the bullying I see on this game sometimes, and seeing someone clearly wronged (multiple times) is unacceptable when it takes 5 seconds to find out if something is camped, or to send a tell if you see a player there.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by Rattle Squirrell [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then why not be a little more blunt in general?

Just tell the new player that the way the rules are set up here completely make the players null to being decent individuals. They hide behind their lawyerquest and throw the ability to be courteous out the door as long as it the rules can benefit them in some way.

If someone is sitting in front of a named, medding and waiting to engage......sure it might SAY somewhere that it's perfectly fine to just walk up and kill what he probably spent 10 minutes to get to and ran him out of mana on the way. But it's just a dick move man.

I guess if he was just informing the new shaman of just how shitty it can be on this server of 30 year olds that have nothing better to do but troll young players because after 4 years of kunark they literally have nothing better to do.....then so be it.

that rule is in place to prevent players from stalling camps for an unnecessarily long time, and to prevent people from claiming multiple camps, among other things. if there weren't a time limit anybody could just run up to a camp, plant their ass on the ground, then say it's camped and to not touch anything for the 2 hours it takes their group to get there. just as easily you could get a few people hogging several camps that wouldn't be able to solo them by swapping people around.

before you complain about lawyerquesting rules maybe you should think about why the rules are there in the first place.

[Rattle Squirrell]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that rule is in place to prevent players from stalling camps for an unnecessarily long time, and to prevent people from claiming multiple camps, among other things. if there weren't a time limit anybody could just run up to a camp, plant their ass on the ground, then say it's camped and to not touch anything for the 2 hours it takes their group to get there. just as easily you could get a few people hogging several camps that wouldn't be able to solo them by swapping people around.

before you complain about lawyerquesting rules maybe you should think about why the rules are there in the first place.

I can completely understand why the rules are in place. Perhaps my arguement is situational.....but I think sending someone you clearly see a tell that is in a camp would not be a far stretch for most players to do just to clarify what they are there for.

If they remain to sit, and do nothing. Sure......but to take while their medding up?