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Old 12-01-2024, 10:58 PM
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Default The Vengeful Musicians and Garsen's Brews

As a quick aside, the vengeful skeletons have been flagged for July1999, and the questgiver, Thadres Thyme, should be flagged similarly if she hasn't been already. A detailed map of Halas (copyright '99) doesn't list her in the expected location (McQuaid's Dark Stout) or anywhere else for that matter.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20020617...&pg=5&sortby=3
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Submited by: Verdandi On: 7/17/1999 10:26:55 PM
I completed the quest at lvl 12 and got half a bar
of exp between the three musicians and the exp from
turning in the book. Two of the musicians were
green and one was white (I think the soloist) but
only two are required, I didn't get anything extra
for turning in all three. The book is Garsen's
Brewing List and is *not* a complete list of brews.

The merchants only offered 4 copper for it, so it
may not be all that useful. The npc to talk to for
the quest in Halas is the new one, Thadres Thyme who
hangs out in or around McQuaid's Bar and Stout.

But be careful, she's not friendly.
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There was a previous issue raised regarding the reward of The Vengeful Musicians quest. It seems the quest should be awarding more than just Garsen's Brewing List.

- https://web.archive.org/web/19991124...ke/eqbrew.html
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There is a REAL Brewer's Quest in Halas, which involves killing three named skeletons (Vengeful Lyricist, Soloist, and one other) to get pages to a book that an NPC in a tavern in Halas seeks...when you give her the three pages, she gives you one of a couple different books containing brewing recipes.
- https://web.archive.org/web/20000708..._musicians.htm
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There are 3 skeletons wandering everfrost that are about level 10 - 13: vengeful soloist, vengeful composer and vengeful lyricist. They carry pages 74, 75 and 76 of Delius Thymes' Diary. These items are no save, no drop, lore items, so you lose them when you log out. Give the 3 pages to Delius' sister, Thadres, by the well in Halas. You get a tiny bit of experience and one of four tomes listing various brewing recipes. Faction goes up with the corrupt guards of Qeynos and down with the Guards of Qeynos and Merchants of Qeynos when you kill the skeletons.
- https://groups.google.com/g/alt.game...m/Brsv3CcAzswJ
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Ed Wheeler
Jul 27, 1999, 7:00:00 AM

Probably shouldn't post this as they are bound to get nerfed, but I seem to
get fantastic xp for these guys in Everfrost - at lvl 10 they con all around
me (they are lvl 9,10, and 11 I believe) but all 3 are pretty easy to kill -
I lose 1 bubble of health on the toughest one. I must have made about 2
bubbles of xp in no time (seemed like an hour, probably a bit longer) by
smashing these mobs - they seem to respawn almost instantly as well!

Also, having completed the quest to return the pages twice, I now have a
brewing list containing around 20 drink names and a book of secret brewing
recipes! Unfortunately I'm at work so can't post them here!!!

...
- https://web.archive.org/web/20020105...&pg=2&sortby=2
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Submited by: Faldyyen On: 12/10/1999 6:31:17 AM
I recently did this quest, and there were no faction hits involved, and I recieved Garsen's Notes, which had recipes I haven't seen in any other books.
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Submited by: Hordace On: 1/23/2000 11:03:49 AM
I have actually gotten 3 different books from this quest. I have done it at least 10 times though and never gotten a faction loss from anybody. Anyways, the three books i got were 1.)Garsen's Notes 2.)Garsen's Brewing List 3.)Garsen's Secret Brews.
- https://web.archive.org/web/20030330...de=35&id=10487
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Submited by: Ratmaster 2000 On: 12/29/1999 2:11:44 AM
okay all I have been working this quest and below is what I know (copied this from my brewing forum post BTW):

Okay since there seems to be no faction adjustments on this quest anymore (done it 12-15 times so far, no faction message ever) Me and a fellow barbarian have been killing the vengeful skeltons full time now. I am an 9th level Shaman and he's a 12th level warrior so only the Soloist is a challenge (they other two, lyricist and composer, are so weak now I do not even waste magic on em').
Anyways, this quest is good XP and will provide you with the best brews of Norrath. So far I have the following books

1)Garsen's brew's List

2)Garsen's Secret Brews

3)Garsen's Notes

The brew list just shows the best brews (in order of triviality) in Norrath, no recipes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The secret Brews show Ol tujims fierce brew (sp?), hulgarsh, bleeding brain and one other (forgot which)

the notes shows all the low end stuff (bog juice, fish wine, etc.) It also has the much talked about Elven wine and the book SPECIFICALLY calls for Morning DEW, so 1) the recipe is broken since no one seems to find morning dew or 2) Morning dew is a RARE forage (if its a forage at all?)

from the way these three books are laid out I believe there MUST BE one last brew book, because the brew's list shows Vodka, brandy, Halfling Stouters and Halas Heaters, but neither of the other two books talks about them (and some of the high end brews require the Vodka brew), so I will keep up my vengeful killing spree till I either stop gaining XP, or I obtain that last book [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BTW, the frequency is:

Garsen's secret brews, Garsen's list, Garsen's notes
I have like 6 brews, but only 2 or 3 lists (and only tonight obtained Notes, so this is hardest so far unless one more exists, which will make that one the rarest), the others I either gave away or sold. If anyone wants one and you are on Rodcet Nife in the Halas/Everfrost area give my character Gilador (I believe thats the right name?, was a random one which I changed a bit?) a tell. Since it requires my killing vengefuls, I will charge for it (unless you have some nice foraged items or some bears skins or silk to trade [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] ) Hope this info is useful

Gilador
9th Level Barbarian Shaman
Rodcet Nife

P.S. to the fellow asking about Dwarven Ale, I have some bad news. The brew is not listed anywhere in the three books [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] sorry
This comment describes a unique means of getting the additional books:
- https://groups.google.com/g/alt.game...m/frZNa-hdC0cJ
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Elouk
Jun 22, 2000, 7:00:00 AM

Some info for ya .. tho NOT exactly what you are looking for

Do the quest ..

#1st time .. she gives you a book that LISTS Brews .. not recipes

#2nd time .. do the quest .. give her all 3 pages AND the 1st book
Storyline book .. and some recipes

#3rd time .. do the quest and give her book 2
More storyline and harder recipes

4th time I got book 1 again ...DOH

The only route I havent tried is getting all 3 books at once and giving it
too her .. Thats 12 more quest completetions.. no thanks .. Master brewer
and Halas Heaters arent <I believe> in the game .. standard Verant stupid ..
this is programmer error .. this is Database/bookkeeper error

If anyone DOES the quest and gets a 4th book .. lemme know plz!
...
While this account sounds interesting, I didn't find any other information to corroborate it. Perhaps this person got lucky and happened to receive the books in order? The rest of the comments suggest the quest could award any 1 of the 3 books upon turning in Delius Thyme's pages.

Lucy has entries for Garsen's Brewing List plus the two actual recipe books, Garsen's Notes and Garsen's Secret Brews. Allakhazam has book text for Garsen's Notes and Garsen's Secret Brews.

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The recipes contained within the two recipe books constituted a sizeable expansion to the number of brewable drinks in-game.
- https://web.archive.org/web/20000818...ct.net/~bitsy/
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LIST OF POSSIBLE DRINKS - FROM THE HALAS QUEST
(thanks to Draed on Rathe)

In order of difficulty:

BOG JUICE
KALISH
HONEYMEAD
FISH WINE
ALE
GYPSY WINE
WHITE WINE
RED WINE
GNOLLISH SPIRITS
[Gnomish Spirits]
ELVEN WINE
VODKA
BRANDY
HALFLING STOUTERS
HALAS HEATER
FIERCE YADDA YADDA [Ol'Tujim's Fierce Brew]
HULGARSH
BLEEDING BRAIN
GINESH
The above list corresponds to drink names contained in Garsen's Brewing List. The first bold block corresponds to the recipes found in Garsen's Notes, the second bold block to the recipes found in Garsen's Secret Brews. As we can see, a few recipes were left to be discovered by players.

The vodka recipe was found by at least Sept1999:
- https://groups.google.com/g/alt.game...m/_Fqg2-CfmY0J
Quote:
Ben
Sep 8, 1999, 7:00:00 AM

Ok I have made it to 30 in brewing by making mead, now what do I make? I
would like some break down on when to start on the next thing to make also
if some one has some recipes it would be nice I have the following recipes

Not sure if they all work Tell me if they are wrong and what skill points
you had when you were making them.

Ale=barley+malt+water+a cask
Bleeding Brain=Vodka+spice+shotglass+Firebeetle Eye
Bog Juice=snake skin+water+bottle
Elven wine=morning dew+foraged berries+wineyeast+bottle
Ginesh=Vegetables+Water+shortglass+shortbeer
GnomishSpirits=rice+spiderlegs,ratears,bottle
honeymead=hops+royaljelly+water+cask
Hulgarsh=2vodkas+water+fishingbait+cask
Kalish=fruit+vegetables+water+bottle
FishWine=Water,grapes,fish,bottle
GypsyWine=Grapes+wineyeasy+firebeetleeye+bottle
Mead=Hops+Malt+yeast+cask
OgreSwill=Cask+froglockmeat+malt+yeast
Ol'Tujim'sFierce Brew=Barley+hops+yeast+malt+cask
RedWine=grapes+wineyeast+berries+bottle
ShortAle=Barley+hops+water+cask
ShortBeer=Barley+hops+malt+cask
Tumpy Tonic=kiolaNut+water Not sure on this one
Vodka=Water+vegetable+2 shortbeers+bottle
WhiteWine=Grapes+wineyeast+fruit+bottle
However, the three remaining drinks ended up being implemented later.

Halfling Stouter in June2000:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20000709....com/news.html
Quote:
June 02: Halflings and brewers rejoice - a new brewing recipe has been added for the "halfling stouter" (Well, I oopsed and the recipe wasn't visible for a few days. It's up now, and I've sampled the brew to be sure it works.)
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010217...eeps/news.html
Quote:
June 10th
- Added the Halfling stouter in the recipe page
A July2000 Allakhazam capture notes the recent addition:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20000706...s/Brewingr.htm
Quote:
*NEW* Halfling Stouter = Vodka + Spice + Shotglass + Berries (foraged)
Brandy and Halas Heater in Sept2000:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010217...eeps/news.html
Quote:
September 5th
- Added the recipe for the Halas heater (posted on the EQ trade board, thanks to Azariel Du'Starwolf for the info)
...
September 25th
- Added recipe for a new drink: Brandy!
- https://web.archive.org/web/20001017...s.com/main.htm (See entries: September 2, 2000 and September 11, 2000)

This Jan2000 capture of Servants of Mystery's brewing recipes and this Mar2000 capture of EQTraders' brewing recipes match the above timeline. Brandy, Halfling Stouters, and Halas Heaters are not yet listed.

Proposed Changes
- Flag Thadres Thyme for July1999 if necessary
- Adjust 'The Vengeful Musicians' quest to award Garsen's additional brewing books
- Flag the bolded drinks above + Vodka combines for July1999
- Flag Halfling Stouter combine for June2000
- Flag Brandy and Halas Heater combines for Sept2000
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Probably shouldn't post this as they are bound to get nerfed, but I seem to
get fantastic xp for these guys in Everfrost - at lvl 10 they con all around
me (they are lvl 9,10, and 11 I believe) but all 3 are pretty easy to kill -
I lose 1 bubble of health on the toughest one. I must have made about 2
bubbles of xp in no time (seemed like an hour, probably a bit longer) by
smashing these mobs - they seem to respawn almost instantly as well!
I checked the NPC List Level sheet and the vengeful lyricist definitely had much lower HP than similar mobs in the zone for its level. Only 100hp at level 10.
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Old 01-17-2025, 11:17 AM
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Pending update:

-Thadres Thyme will not spawn until Jul1999.
-Added missing items to reward array.
-vengeful npc hitpoints already correct.

? For the recipe era restrictions, I noticed Bog Juice is on the list. As it is needed for Soulfire, does this indicate Soulfire was not able to be completed prior to Jul1999?
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Old 01-18-2025, 04:57 PM
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A newsgroup post captured a quest entry for Zimel's Blades/Soulfire prior to July 1999:
- https://groups.google.com/g/alt.game...m/-bS0F2ddLxgJ
Quote:
diana
May 31, 1999, 7:00:00 AM

I found this on the website:

http://everquest.gamestats.com/

This may be a quest for one of the Paladin Swords, but the details are still
emerging. It seems to be one of the most complex quests in the game. Once
you complete the message of warning quest, the knight asks you to
investigate Zimel's Blades by talking to a character in the office of the
people. After you talk to the lady in the Office of the People, she
mentions that Groflah (the dwarven smith, owner of Groflah's Forge) was good
friends with Zimel, who was also a blacksmith, and Zimel's Blades was a
weapons shop in East Freeport. She says it was condemned by the city. After
you give Kalatrina Plossen the message with Zimel's Blades written on it,
she tells you to find out what happened from Rhashinda(or whoever) and tell
her. When you tell Kalatrina Plossen [Zimel Blades is condemned] she will
reveal some information about what you are looking for and why. You can
talk to Groflah, and ask him of Zimel, but he refuses to say anything,
although you can tell he knows exactly who you're talking about. He says
something like I won't talk about it here. To get Groflah to talk you have
to be in a certain tavern in East Freeport around 5 or 6am. He will appear
and wag his tongue freely (presumably from the liquor). He'll tell you
about Tumpy Tonics (apparently all dwarves are lushes) and will talk about
Zimel, relating the story about what it was that Zimel found, why he
disappeared and who the culprit is. You can also talk to the beggar Tykar
Renlin, who shows up at the Seafarer's roost. If you ask him about Zimel he
will say he needs a drink to wet his lips so he can talk, but he doesnt
know which flavor of drink will do it. Here's the spoiler bits about this.
In this quest you are after the Sword Soulfire (because of the things said
through out the quest and that it is a paladin quest, it is believed to be a
holy sword). You meet Groflah at the Seafarer's Roost. It is possible that
the male bard npc may need to be in the tavern for him to appear (I'm unsure
of this as he didn't show up one morning when the female bard was there, but
did the next when the male bard was). The villain appears to be a
Shadowknight named Pietro Zarn, who is the Guild Leader of Dismal Rage if I
am not mistaken. Consensus at the moment seems that you must kill Zarn to
gain Soulfire (there are no other leads offered by Groflah on this). As yet
nobody has completed this quest and it is unknown what the final result is
or where the quest actually ends.
In July 1999, we see news posted on the same everquest.gamestats.com of what appears to be the first Soulfire completed:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20000107...pdate_0799.htm
Quote:
July 8, 1999: It's amazing how quickly information circulates around the web. Someone has apparantly finished the Zimels Blades quest and acquired Soulfire. I have posted the stats in 2 Hand Slashing. Also, if you want to see a screen shot of it go to http://www.terrafusion.com/soulfire/ . It is pretty impressive. Almost makes you want to play a Paladin. Several Brewers have sent in the correct bog juice recipe. One even included a screen shot, so I believe that it is accurate.
Additional evidence:

- https://groups.google.com/g/alt.game...m/CVtAx83YeQAJ
Quote:
Apollo
Jul 5, 1999, 7:00:00 AM

I have a few reasonable (I think) questions for Brad (since he's the one
that's been identified as reading this newsgroup) or anyone else at Verant
that may read this and have the answers. I play an 11th level Paladin on
Mithaniel Marr server, and though I'm not yet up to par for searching for
Holy Swords, I still keep abreast of all the current gossip regarding them.
So far, there are three actual Holy Swords that have been identified (we
think) but only one found. Here are the questions, by holy sword, and I
really think these are reasonable to ask:

1. Ghoulbane: This has been found, but on a high-level NPC which belongs
to a race that is not initially hostile... I find it hard (if playing in
character) to go slay this Froglok just because he has a sword I want. I've
heard that someone asked a GM if this was a quest item, or if we were
supposed to slay the Froglok, and he replied "Goulbane is neither of those
situations." So, I'm wondering IS this part of an unfinished/broken quest?

2. Soulfire: Again, is this quest finished/completeable in the current
game design? We all seem to be stuck looking for the elusive Bog Juice,
which nobody seems to have found.


3. Fiery Avenger: We've been told this IS a quest item. Is the quest
finished? No one seems to have found even step one.

Basically, I'm just wondering if the quests, etc. for these swords are in
working order. If not, I think a paladin's time would be better spent
banging his head against a wall. Thanks for your time.

Dwanalin
Paladin of Marr
Mithaniel Marr Server
- https://groups.google.com/g/alt.game...m/e65txKyAZGYJ
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Adar
Jul 9, 1999, 7:00:00 AM

Heh, if you think this is bad, you should LOVE the Bog Juice recipe. No
wonder no one in the game could figure it out. Snake scales, water, and a
bottle, eh? Umm, guys, didn't you forget something when creating this drink-
like the alcohol? :-)
- https://groups.google.com/g/alt.game...m/Icqg0ngoCk0J
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Chris Conway
Jul 15, 1999, 7:00:00 AM
...
Why is it that after the Soulfire quest is finally operational (albeit
only after someone from Verant leaked the bog juice recipe) that the
sword is just about impossible to get without an army capable of
killing a dragon (and they'd much rather be killing a dragon than
stupid Sir Lucan, I bet).
...
I suppose one question remains. Was the recipe for bog juice undiscovered or unimplemented?

This post suggests it was undiscovered:
- https://dbsanfte.github.io/eq-archiv...tml/13823.html
Quote:
Date: Thu Jan 27 01:09:42 GMT 2000
Author: Reece, Tom - 25IDL G4
Subject: Bard Instruments

My take on this is that these two instuments will only be discovered if
Verant leaks the information. This would be similar to the bog juice leak
that occured several months ago. For those you unaware, bog juice is
required by paladins for the Soulfire quest. Verant stated for a very long
time that bog juice was in the game. The problem was that there weren't any
clues, i.e. recipe books or NPC keywords, that gave brewers any help. The
only way anyone found out how to brew bog juice was when a Verant employee
posted the recipe on alt.games.everquest. The required components for bog
juice are so non-logical that there was no way anyone could have figured it
out using systematic procedures. I can't remember all the ingredients but
the key one was snake skins, which no brewer ever considered using as a
brewing component. Within the next day or so after the post on the
newsgroup, paladins were able to complete the Soulfire quest.

In this particular case Verant was telling the truth, but the odds of a
player figuring out how to brew bog juice on their own were infintesimal.

Galtin of E'ci
The developer post in question:
- https://groups.google.com/g/alt.game...m/Bh0WdETKuasJ
Quote:
Matt Yaney
Jul 7, 1999, 7:00:00 AM

Due to the increasing demand of brewers for information more of the brewing
recipes will be easier to obtain in the coming weeks.

For the inexperienced brewer wanting to enter the trade I have some advice.

When the moon rises and your fresh gator steak is sizzling on the spit why
drink water when you can have Bog Juice?

Bog Juice - Snake Scales, Flask of Water, and the ever present Bottle.

Incredibly simple, Bog Juice has a taste that you can savor for hours. Never
be stingy, so be sure to chew a few of these tangy drinks with your friends.
You wouldnÂ’t believe how much better Bog Juice tastes when consumed with
Gator steaks and a side of Pickled froglock. When you get a chance raise a
cup in the name of Garsen. He just might smile on you for it.

Hope you have fun!

Matt Yaney
Game Designer
Verant Interactive
Given that news of the completed Soulfire came the day after this recipe was posted, it seems clear the quest was otherwise functional and suggests that the recipe was simply undiscovered. I couldn't find a patch note to fit so narrow a timeframe that might indicate the recipe was added. So while there don't appear to have been Soulfires in-game until July 1999, it seems there could have been. As for how to flag the recipe, it depends on which circumstance is more desirable to emulate.
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Fixed, pending update

Era restricted the bolded recipes except for bog juice.
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