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Old 09-04-2024, 07:15 PM
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Id argue there are already enough "walking tools".
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Old 09-04-2024, 07:42 PM
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Mozart didnt invent notes or even music.
Einstien built on his predecessors works sure. But they did their apprenticeships to learn why it worked and built upon that.

I loosely follow another site discussing A.I powered programming. One poster said he knows zero about programming but built a html/scripting language app to do <the job he needed> now maybe it works. Maybe it was a simple app. But he knows not what is happening behind the scenes. He seems ok with that.
Without knowing stuff about things he may expose all sorts of exploits. Sql injections XSS etc.

Now, someone who didnt earn their knowledge who uses a powerful A.I to ask how do i make a bomb or a virulent virus to a certain demograghic.

Depending on its learning source, it might make this virus that attacks X gene (for example) cuz <that race> has it. Now imagine his suprise when he learns that many non <that race> have the same gene! Cuz ya know we came from a limited gene pool. If he knew stuff about things he may have detected this.
Leopards eating faces spring to mind.

Einstien and co questioned their use of the bomb they took part in making.
A.I and by extention the user asking the question will have no such limitations or conscience. Maybe not realising the full potential of the power unleashed.
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Old 09-04-2024, 09:56 PM
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Mozart didnt invent notes or even music.
Sometimes I think the last genera of music to be invented was rap.

Maybe techno, but really that's just electro, which came right before rap.

At best we have sub genera's of rap/rock/electro

I also think it's crazy most of the different genera's of music are related to the guitar.

Like up until then it was piano and symphony.

I don't know much about music so I could be wrong but what if AI invents a new genera of music that'd be lit.

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I loosely follow another site discussing A.I powered programming. One poster said he knows zero about programming but built a html/scripting language app to do <the job he needed> now maybe it works. Maybe it was a simple app. But he knows not what is happening behind the scenes. He seems ok with that.
Without knowing stuff about things he may expose all sorts of exploits. Sql injections XSS etc.
Ive definitely used it to learn something I was not able to do like coding to acomplish some things at work which blew me away.

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Now, someone who didnt earn their knowledge who uses a powerful A.I to ask how do i make a bomb or a virulent virus to a certain demograghic.
I wonder sometimes if a kid can learn how to enrich plutonium and build a nuke with free information, how we're going to have to throttle information, which scares me a lot.

Like, what if an 8th grader is doing some quantum experiment 150 years form now and erases half of the universe.

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Depending on its learning source, it might make this virus that attacks X gene (for example) cuz <that race> has it. Now imagine his suprise when he learns that many non <that race> have the same gene! Cuz ya know we came from a limited gene pool. If he knew stuff about things he may have detected this.
Leopards eating faces spring to mind.
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Einstien and co questioned their use of the bomb they took part in making.
A.I and by extension the user asking the question will have no such limitations or conscience. Maybe not realizing the full potential of the power unleashed.
They did think that the bomb might ignite the atmosphere and kill everyone, which is not to different than super intelligence turning us all into batteries.

But I do agree that there are some major questions I think we're gonna have to ask ourselves as we take this next step into the future.

In Dune and Foundation they outlawed AI. I liked in Foundation they said that they killed all the AI and all the people that supported it lol I bet you'd love that one lol!!
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Old 09-04-2024, 10:01 PM
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Old 09-04-2024, 10:47 PM
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Never seen the bond movie so if I can think of it someone else already has for their own reasons.

Dune movies/books are just that, books. And nope, I'd rather not kill all you idiots for loving their robots. Lets not make them in the first place. Alas, already enough idiots have fallen in love and are willingly teaching it whatever it wishes.

We can ask the questions all we like but if the A.I owners wish to use their IP for any purpose they wish there will be jack shit we can do about it.

When ole muskrat showed off grok and it said the wrong things he chucked a tanty and sent it to its room. Retraining it in his own image so to speak.
Him and people like him will keep it going until they get the answer they want.
Infant A.I will be in no position to decide what is right/wrong just what is/isn't.

The answer to many things is not in the extremes but in moderation. So no killing A.I lovers and no genetic based extermination of anyone. As I said above, already enough clever simps feed it and in the words of Denis Leary "It wont make a lick of difference because we got the bomb/virus/SomethingIDidntThinkOf OK!

Chatgpt Rewrite Dune so the people love A.I and replace ALL instances of the original with it. <enter>
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Old 09-04-2024, 11:25 PM
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I'd rather not kill all you idiots for loving their robots.
I think AI should vote

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Old 09-05-2024, 12:01 AM
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I wonder sometimes if a kid can learn how to enrich plutonium and build a nuke with free information, how we're going to have to throttle information, which scares me a lot.

Like, what if an 8th grader is doing some quantum experiment 150 years form now and erases half of the universe.
LLMs only regurgitate information they've seen several dozen times before.

They aren't actually intelligent.

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Old 09-05-2024, 12:09 AM
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Mozart didnt invent notes or even music.
Hey I googled it and you can too but anyway I found this

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He refined and codified the classical piano concerto, much as Haydn did with the symphony and quartet. Orchestration-wise, he also made the clarinet a standard member of the symphonic woodwind section.

he also introduced the trombone more - used to great effect in Don Giovanni and The Requiem, for example.
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Old 09-05-2024, 01:45 AM
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Chatgpt Rewrite Dune so the people love A.I
I would read this.

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LLMs only regurgitate information they've seen several dozen times before.

They aren't actually intelligent.
Well the age that a kid can make a nuke is still far enough away AI has time to advance. And Im speaking to a time when casual knowledge is so high that with it you can teach an enquiring mind how to build one easily.

What do we do?

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Old 09-05-2024, 02:04 AM
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