Sirken's proposal

[Aaron]

everyone under the sun has been making proposals, figured i'd jump on the band wagon and give you nerds a view into the mindset of Sirken (not the staff, just the Sirken). best proposal ever incoming.


First things first, Parameters need to be set. Top tier mobs belong in the top tier, that might be hard to understand, but luckily i specialize in common sense and offer tutoring sessions.

Tier 1 Mobs: VP, Trak, VS, CT
Tier 2 Mobs: Draco, Gore, Fay, Tal, Inny, Sev, Noble, Naggy, Vox
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Tier 1 Guilds: IB/TMO/FE
Tier 2 Guilds: Everyone else that wants to kill a raid target



(OR if everyone insists that im crazy for putting the top tier mobs in the top tier, i would insist that any guild that kills Trak (the bottle neck mob for VP) gets moved into Tier 1 until they haven't killed Trak or a VP Mob for 30 days, at which time they would be delegated back to Tier 2).

Tier 1 Mobs: VP
Tier 2 Mobs: Trak, VS, CT, Draco, Gore, Fay, Tal, Inny, Sev, Noble, Naggy, Vox
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Tier 1 Guilds: IB/TMO/FE/BDA
Tier 2 Guilds: Everyone else that wants to kill a raid target



ok, now that we have that all worked out, lets move on.

The first 8 days (because Derubael harbors an unhealthy vendetta against the number 7) of every month will be a "raid vacation" for all Tier 1 guilds in regards to Tier 2 mobs (ie: T1 guilds can only kill T1 mobs in the first 8 days). They can use this time to avoid burnout, help out pals, fap, or whatever as long as they aren't raiding T2 mobs. During this 8 day period only Tier 2 guilds will be allowed to raid anything they want. the rest of the month (days 9-30or31) would be a FFA for all guilds on the server.

This system allows T2 guilds to compete with other T2 guilds, while also allowing the T1 guilds to stay competitive with the other T1 guilds. no silly rotations, no silly councils, no BS. just racing for mobs the way it should be. for the people that are hell bent on a rotation, i say this; there are tons of MMOs with instanced raids and triggered bosses, EQ is not one of those games. not having instances or triggered bosses was one of the things that set Classic EQ apart from all the crap games that exist today. i know that the staff doesn't want a rotation, and would prefer to see racing/competing for the targets.

Simulated Patch Day Repops would not change anything. if the repop happens in the first 8 days of the month, T1 guilds have to sit out on T2 mobs. if the repop happens after the 8th of the month it would be treated as a FFA.


Side Rules:
anyone caught intentionally training at raids eats a perma ban, and their guild eats a four week raid suspension.
respect FTE messages, anyone that ignores FTE and Kill Steals a mob will earn their guild a four week raid suspension.
No guild will have more than two representatives present at any raid mob at any time.
Players will not be allowed to camp out at raid mobs ahead of time (would require work from either nilbog or rogean to ensure any toon camped out at a raid spot like traks lair would be relocated to zone in when they next logged in) to encourage actually racing for targets.


OMG Sirken just fixed the raid scene, PRAS

You're Welcome

I like it.

[Elements]

Sirken's plan is so close to the Simple Plan with some extra clarity around the edges. It's awesome. The only thing it needs is a stipulation preventing a T2 guild from monopolizing tier 2.

[Jaxon]

Encouraging guilds to race for FTE in a fully popped zone is not the way to keep your petition queue low.

[Mezzmur]

The first 8 days (because Derubael harbors an unhealthy vendetta against the number 7) of every month will be a "raid vacation" for all Tier 1 guilds in regards to Tier 2 mobs (ie: T1 guilds can only kill T1 mobs in the first 8 days). They can use this time to avoid burnout, help out pals, fap, or whatever as long as they aren't raiding T2 mobs. During this 8 day period only Tier 2 guilds will be allowed to raid anything they want. the rest of the month (days 9-30or31) would be a FFA for all guilds on the server.

(ie: T1 guilds can only kill T2 mobs in the first 8 days) ???

Make it 10 days. I've already proven mathematically that mobs-per-guild in this phase would be ideal and helps with the feast/famine of variance.

Otherwise this is very similar to the TMO/FE original proposal with MORE mobs in T2 pool.

For those that missed the logic and math:
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Again, this is more mobs-per-guild in Tier 2 than Divinity's plan and only adds MORE to their pool with Sirken's plan.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Mezzmur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The first 8 days (because Derubael harbors an unhealthy vendetta against the number 7) of every month will be a "raid vacation" for all Tier 1 guilds in regards to Tier 2 mobs (ie: T1 guilds can only kill T1 mobs in the first 8 days). They can use this time to avoid burnout, help out pals, fap, or whatever as long as they aren't raiding T2 mobs. During this 8 day period only Tier 2 guilds will be allowed to raid anything they want. the rest of the month (days 9-30or31) would be a FFA for all guilds on the server.

(ie: T1 guilds can only kill T2 mobs in the first 8 days) ???

Make it 10 days. I've already proven mathematically that mobs-per-guild in this phase would be ideal and helps with the feast/famine of variance.

Otherwise this is very similar to the TMO/FE original proposal with MORE mobs in T2 pool.



Again, this is more mobs-per-guild in Tier 2 than Divinity's plan and only adds MORE to their pool with Sirken's plan.

Make it 5 days!

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Make it 15

Make it 3 !

[Ambrotos]

5 days for T1 guilds not killing T1 mobs?

Nm my math is all jacked. I need to wake up more before I read.

[Nocsucow]

make it 2

[Mezzmur]

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Modified the sheet for 10 days with Sirken's mob schedule.

[-Catherin-]

The plan unfortunately keeps the big 4 (VS, Inny, CT, Trak) Completely in the hands of only two guilds to an even higher extreme than any other proposal yet.

These mobs are the point of contention atm in the raid discussions. And are the mobs that the T2 guilds have been blocked from (in some cases just to keep them from having them) for years.

A proposal that makes the majority of this content even more out of reach is not going to fly, except for two guilds maybe.

Not knocking you for trying Sirken. You guys must hate this whole thing more than any of us. Fact is though is I see a proposal right now (The staff proposal posted by Rogean) that would give more than 50% of the mobs to two forces (we are talking half outside of VP plus VP, to TMO and FE/IB)... and then less than 50% (only mobs outside of VP, to *SIX* other guilds. also allowing more growth in T2 for other guilds to join and take a piece of that pie.) it doesn't allow the T1 guilds to completely dominate the "big 4" but they still get the lions share regardless.

Yes im biased. but no matter how you look at it, its triple the guilds sharing a smaller piece of the pie with a complete and total concession of VP. And that is before more guilds jump in. And they are okay with it. its probably going to have to be something near this if you really want them to play ball.