SK Race Choice

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let people get the correct answer and they can figure it out for themselves if it's worth caring about[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Better than a nothing answer like this.

There is no “correct”. It’s a spectrum of advantages and disadvantages. Even 20% xp penalty for a solo player is a disadvantage for how most people will solo to 60 (spawn limited). All that matters is 60, a lot of people stop playing before they see a class truly evolve.

What could Keer do as a troll but not a DE? What would they not be able to kill if a Iksar instead? Please enlighten us.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no “correct”. It’s a spectrum of advantages and disadvantages. Even 20% xp penalty for a solo player is a disadvantage for how most people will solo to 60 (spawn limited). All that matters is 60, a lot of people stop playing before they see a class truly evolve.

What could Keer do as a troll but not a DE? What would they not be able to kill if a Iksar instead? Please enlighten us.

These questions are irrelevant. Iksar monks can’t do anything that a human cant also do, but yet you still see a million more iksar monks. An advantage is still an advantage. There is a best race for certain scenarios, despite how big or little the advantage may actually be

A troll will be able to crawl dungeons faster than a DE. They will have to swap weapons less since they have slam. They will also have more mana than iksar since you can and should be clicking BE every chance you get.

[Ennewi]

Never mind the fact that attempting to do more with less can teach a player more about their class until they obtain those items that make them more self-sufficient, if ever. Those limitations also present an additional layer of challenge, upping risk and punishing mistakes. Night blindness for humans/erudites/barbarians. Restricted dungeon movements for trolls/ogres. Difficulty climbing stairs in Kael for gnomes/dwarves/halflings. Personally, that is the overall appeal of classic anyway; outside of guides/GMs, no one character has access to an easy solution for every problem.

[Kirdan]

if you can't use ring of the dead, are you even an SK?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These questions are irrelevant. Iksar monks can’t do anything that a human cant also do, but yet you still see a million more iksar monks. An advantage is still an advantage. There is a best race for certain scenarios, despite how big or little the advantage may actually be

A troll will be able to crawl dungeons faster than a DE. They will have to swap weapons less since they have slam. They will also have more mana than iksar since you can and should be clicking BE every chance you get.

This is correct. There are factually better/worse races in the game, and you can objectively determine them. Let people know what they are, so they can choose how they want to play. Knowledge is power.

Everybody agrees these advantages aren't enough to make another race unplayable, but some people want to have the best race for their class. If they enjoy playing that way, nobody should try to stop it.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These questions are irrelevant. Iksar monks can’t do anything that a human cant also do, but yet you still see a million more iksar monks. An advantage is still an advantage. There is a best race for certain scenarios, despite how big or little the advantage may actually be

A troll will be able to crawl dungeons faster than a DE. They will have to swap weapons less since they have slam. They will also have more mana than iksar since you can and should be clicking BE every chance you get.

Do you know what a rhetorical question is?

[Pint]

Originally Posted by trees [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Looking for some input

Is Iksar SK worse for end-game solo crawling than other races?
Do the armor clickies account for serious mana saving etc?

Is iksar worse end game? Definitely no
Clickies account for "serious" mana saving? Definitely no

Best stat to revisit old dungeons with is AC and it's not close. Iksar ac is best. Kunark armor clickies also more inconvenient to swap in then useful for a truly "end game" character but that's just one lazy end game solo crawling adventurers opinion.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is iksar worse end game? Definitely no
Clickies account for "serious" mana saving? Definitely no

Best stat to revisit old dungeons with is AC and it's not close. Iksar ac is best. Kunark armor clickies also more inconvenient to swap in then useful for a truly "end game" character but that's just one lazy end game solo crawling adventurers opinion.

Iksar AC bonus is not better than Blood Ember Clickies. In the end game you are going to hit AC softcap because plate already has good AC. Before the end game, Blood Ember clickie mana saving is going to help you more than a bit of mitigation. The goal of fear kiting is to not get hit often.

[Crede]

Iksar gonna use so much more mana crawling a dungeon without BE. However, if face to face with a cliff golem I would be curious to see a parse difference in equal gear.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Iksar gonna use so much more mana crawling a dungeon without BE. However, if face to face with a cliff golem I would be curious to see a parse difference in equal gear.

Yeah It would be interesting if someone ever did a bunch of parses with two equally geared SKs to see if the AC made any difference for solo challenge mobs. If an SK is able to solo a Cliff Golem, they are probably at AC softcap. That is why I don't think it's going to matter too much, as you get less mitigation above the softcap.

The AC bonus is better for Monks because their armor doesn't have a lot of AC on it to begin with.