New Rules for Project1999 - Compliance Mandatory

[Duik]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bards were DoT kiting during classic, but not a ton of MOBs. Lag and lack of better camera angles made it unfeasible to reliably swarm kite to the extent that people can now. It for sure would have been nerfed if it was happening during classic, they already nerfed Denon's Desperate Dirge during classic because they thought it was too easy for Bards to quad kite with it LOL.

This sounds pretty right.

I charmed 1 fought the other while meleeing/ds/slow/dots (yes i sucked at barding) never occured to me to quad or more.
Never heard of anyone else doing it either but as others have mentioned, we all had differing experiences depending on server or even logged on times could make a difference.

Saving yaself from a train by kiting sounds pretty ballzy (to me). It would suck if that was disallowed.
I spose some would manipulate that system though so fucked if i know.

[cd288]

Everyone should really chill out. Obviously the staff isn't punishing people for derailing a train by swarm kiting. It's very clear what the rule is intended to cover, and people nit picking about it are just showing that they're mad that they can't disrupt dungeon zones anymore for their own EXP.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone should really chill out. Obviously the staff isn't punishing people for derailing a train by swarm kiting. It's very clear what the rule is intended to cover, and people nit picking about it are just showing that they're mad that they can't disrupt dungeon zones anymore for their own EXP.

Eh, I only ever AE kited in the hole when it was empty and still think it's lame. If GMs can't, won't, or don't want to be bothered with officiating in the game than that's the underlying problem. If the DM at the table is tired of the same problem player, but can't, won't, or doesn't kick them from the campaign, why punish everyone else who still must continue to play out the campaign with that problem player? The same could be said for the raid scene. There's a solution, that's obvious to everyone else at the table who has played by the rules, but the DM wants to remain inclusive even if that means the game is less enjoyable overall.

Granted, it does seem as though CSR had their powers spread out and limited, as a result of past abuses from previous staff members.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If GMs can't, won't, or don't want to be bothered with officiating in the game than that's the underlying problem.

Yeah we should totally blame the volunteer unpaid staff for not wanting to use more of their free time to keep someone from being a dick. That's the real problem here.

In any case, if you're truly being honest about only doing it in a dungeon when there are zero people in there, then what are you worried about? No one will ever find out if it's just you in the zone. I think you're secretly upset because you do it more often than you're admitting.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah we should totally blame the volunteer unpaid staff for not wanting to use more of their free time to keep someone from being a dick. That's the real problem here.

Well, it isn't about blame, but an expectation for classic GMing. If there's a role to serve, volunteer or not, and a person does not fulfill that role, it's a problem. I don't actually blame them outright, but suspect their hands are tied, which was alluded to in the previous post. Regardless, the majority of the community has wanted more severe action against egregious rule-breaking and it seemed members of CSR who recently resigned did as well.

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In any case, if you're truly being honest about only doing it in a dungeon when there are zero people in there, then what are you worried about? No one will ever find out if it's just you in the zone.

The rule, as written, does not allow for that and encourages players to record/petition it. Are there not enough petty neckbeards on here who would derive enjoyment from that kind of pixel denial, causing someone to be suspended?

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're secretly upset because you do it more often than you're admitting.

I've leveled one bard to 60 and another to 57, the latter would be 60 now if AE kiting was the go-to method. You can search the forums and discord for Emeyya/Effemi, checking for posts about trains resulting from AE kites in dungeons. But kind of a waste of time. I play the class for its versatility and am openly upset that the aggro nerf still hasn't been reverted because it added to their CC strength and allowed them to tank, which made grouping more fun. And yet, even still, groups remain the preferred method of XP. The class is least versatile when it's AE kiting, so the appeal isn't there personally, except for PoF practice and to regain XP lost from no rez click.

[Ennewi]

Similar issue with lifetaps and ivandyr's hoop. Why punish all SK/NEC players, when an example could have been made of those who spam clicked en masse? Then, if players still abused the clicky, the item could have been nerfed, leaving the spells untouched and classic.

Players of two classes punished for the actions of a few raider guilds years ago, when instead those raiders or the leaders of them could have been instead, enough to where
it would have left reverberations for as long, if not longer. Maybe it's asking a lot of CSR, but players fucking around and finding out makes EQ feel like the world it was designed to be, not a game on rails where x, y, z is either prohibited or prevented mechanically.

That is the point of contention. It just happened to be bards more recently.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enchanters will be able to abuse mechanics and monopolize cash camps, this is classic.

Your ideas are sound. Player imposed rules will be the future of this project. Every goddam year I role a Sadre on a TLP and I'm lucky to make it past Kunark. LIVE SUCKS PERIOD.

Sure, you have the boom of a new server! But the game mechanics is nerfed to hell and back, and also, does not care if you bot 1,000 mages.

But not saying NERF ENCHANTER CHARM BACK TO PRE-CHARISMA MEANING DIDDLSQUAT AS A STAT.

Plus, we have one remaining issue on the enchanters. I'll let Lt. Kendrick have the word:
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[kjs86z2]

enc epic is entirely optional if you have FT8

feshlak staff works just fine

[Praxcthius]

You have people who played live in its inception who were just excited to kill a drybones skeleton basically running the project. Enforcing only the most rudimentary of skills and tactics as if it were divine law because that’s what THEY were only able to do back then. No ability of their own to think outside the box and enhance engagements still with game allowed mechanics. Bards used to swarm pofire ramp mobs to fennins pavilion. Now you’re punished cuz a group of costume wearin soyboys called their hall monitor big brother to make the bad people stop.

[kjs86z2]

25,000 petitions a year

let that sink in