Iksar Monk: 20 sta the endgame choice?

[Toxigen]

BiS or not BiS, the answer is still STA because of mend.

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agreed. If you are planning for BiS gear, you are going to easily cap DEX with buffs. You are getting 160 DEX from FoS + Avatar, and your starting DEX is 85 or 95. So you are basically able to cap DEX without gear, just using the primary buffs you would be using anyway.

But, you’d also cap sta with buffs. Even without buffs you’ll cap out as long as, yeah, you don’t invest in high MR pieces with low or no sta. Even if you do you’ll be some 30 stamina short without any buffs whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BiS or not BiS, the answer is still STA because of mend.

Does sta above cap affect mend?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But, you’d also cap sta with buffs. Even without buffs you’ll cap out as long as, yeah, you don’t invest in high MR pieces with low or no sta. Even if you do you’ll be some 30 stamina short without any buffs whatsoever.

The difference is you can only get 50 STA from buffs generally speaking via Riotous Health. While you can get an additional 20 from Primal Essence, a BiS Monk is going to be using Avatar instead (Primal Essence and Avatar do not stack).

So putting points into STA is better, because you are only able to get + 50 STA from buffs, as opposed to +160 DEX. If you are an Iksar (which is the min/max choice), 95 starting stat + 160 = 255. You are capped without the need for any DEX gear or starting stats. STA still requires you to put on STA gear if you want to cap it, even considering buffs and starting stats.

If you can cap your STA without buffs, you can save a buff slot, which is useful. DEX is being capped by two buffs you would always want anyway, Avatar and FoS.

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does sta above cap affect mend?

What Toxigen is saying is you want to ensure your STA is capped, because mend always gives you 25% of your HP pool back. For Monks max HP has additional utility, because it will always improve the amount of health you get back via mend. Putting points into STA allows you to have more flexibility on gear while hitting max STA, or at least being close to it.

[sajbert]

But in this fever dream full BIS-scenario you would be stamina capped without any buffs so the saving a stamina buffslot wouldnt be an issue. It'd only be relevant if you went for low cha high MR gear for something like raid pulling and you'd think that 20 stamina would somehow be relevant enough to make a difference. In pretty much any other scenario given this silly gear it'd seem like dex or agi beats it.

That said, stamina does seem like the best bang for the buck during a career of raiding, I just don't see how it's a real minmax option even for raiding once fully BIS. Outside of raiding dex has got it soundly beat with that level of gear too.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But in this fever dream full BIS-scenario you would be stamina capped without any buffs so the saving a stamina buffslot wouldnt be an issue. It'd only be relevant if you went for low cha high MR gear for something like raid pulling and you'd think that 20 stamina would somehow be relevant enough to make a difference. In pretty much any other scenario given this silly gear it'd seem like dex or agi beats it.

That said, stamina does seem like the best bang for the buck during a career of raiding, I just don't see how it's a real minmax option even for raiding once fully BIS. Outside of raiding dex has got it soundly beat with that level of gear too.

Cause bis is dumb , gear like 8 chars in 2nd bis for less. Hope that helps.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But in this fever dream full BIS-scenario you would be stamina capped without any buffs so the saving a stamina buffslot wouldnt be an issue. It'd only be relevant if you went for low cha high MR gear for something like raid pulling and you'd think that 20 stamina would somehow be relevant enough to make a difference. In pretty much any other scenario given this silly gear it'd seem like dex or agi beats it.

That said, stamina does seem like the best bang for the buck during a career of raiding, I just don't see how it's a real minmax option even for raiding once fully BIS. Outside of raiding dex has got it soundly beat with that level of gear too.

As I mentioned before, you are not always going to be at STA cap. Your Magelo isn't taking into account resistance gear.

A BiS Monk would have https://wiki.project1999.com/Robe_of_the_Azure_Sky and https://wiki.project1999.com/Shawl_of_Protection . Putting on both will reduce your STA by 25 on https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Green:Monkeybis . If you put 20 points into STA, you would still be at 249 STA without buffs, which is honestly good enough to keep your buff slot open. 6 STA probably isn't worth getting Riotous Health.

Your DEX and AGI will already be well over cap with Avatar, so putting points into those isn't really a good idea. If you really want to pre-proc Avatar before a fight begins as fast as possible, you can use stalking probes, duel a friend, get a DEX buff and then click it off, etc. Also remember that you are getting +60 DEX from Focus of Spirit. Even with Robe of the Azure Sky equipped you would be at 238 DEX just with that one buff. You will proc Avatar fast enough at that amount.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As I mentioned before, you are not always going to be at STA cap. Your Magelo isn't taking into account resistance gear.

A BiS Monk would have https://wiki.project1999.com/Robe_of_the_Azure_Sky and https://wiki.project1999.com/Shawl_of_Protection . Putting on both will reduce your STA by 25 on https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Green:Monkeybis .

Your DEX and AGI will already be well over cap with Avatar, so putting points into those isn't really a good idea.

A bis monk would have a shroud, sorry you dont got warder loot

[Toxigen]

yikes bis monk no shroud try again maybe next server sorry you dont got

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A bis monk would have a shroud, sorry you dont got warder loot

You would still have Robe of the Azure Sky since it has 5 more resists than Shroud. Monk gear especially has less options for resistance gear, unlike plate.

[Keebz]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In a fever dream where you had full raid BIS-gear, wouldn't you be stamina and str capped without buffs or avatar proc?

I have no idea what I'm doing but throwing together a kit of gear focusing on 3 x AoB, regen+eb+truevision, AC, HP and MR (roughly that order) and I'm at 254 sta and str without a single attribute point spent, even whilst using summoned shurikens.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Green:Monkeybis
(feel free to C&C my picks).

The typical recommendation is to put all points into stamina if you wish to minmax. Is it simply not true once you have transcended your corporeal body in your mom's basement and achieved full BIS?

Or am I simply really bad at playing magelo online? If not, should we dump points into dex instead for faster non-buffed primal procs? Or agi for that AC? Or charisma for vendor prices and... uh DI?

Well, that's not BiS. You have a bunch of sub-optimal items with lots of stam like Earring of Living Flame, Net of the Deep Sea and to a lesser extent Ancient Wyvern Hide Tunic. They can all be replaced by items with more raw HP and/or other desirable effects. This is why you go stam.