I'm all for stopping recharging, but it is really unclassic to destroy clickies

[Teddie1056]

Back on classic I had a root net for emergencies. Now the root net is completely useless. There already was a cast-time root item that dropped in Crystal Caverns.

I get ending recharging. It feels more like an exploit than an intended mechanic. But instant use clickies were intended to be as such.

So make the Midnight Mallet not inventory usable, but don't make it have a cast time.

Make the root nets cost 1000pp to recharge, but leave them instant.

[Baler]

I feel like there was already a dozen threads about this.

guilds/players abused clickies, staff took notice(lol), nerfed clickies to give the server a more 'classic feel'.

BTW does AG still have a mallet mule parked in innothule corpsing mallets?

[Teddie1056]

Staff took notice? We'd been using clickies for 10 years here. It was 100% condoned and expected strategy. No guild on the server was avoiding clickies for some moral high ground.

And I am fine with nerfing recharging, I doubt that was an intended mechanic.

But how is using clickies abusing them?

Make them rechargable and nerf the spawn rate.

[Baler]

just to be clear i'm not trying to justify this change to clickies, I think it's BS.

So from what I understand staff decided that only a certain amount of people used clickies back in the day on live classic. On p99 way more people use clickies in this way so they changed it to give a more classic feel in their opinion. paraphrasing not quoting.

This is the same reason they refuse to recreate classic exploits. Only a small number of people knew about them back in the day. They would be used by way more people on p99.

Long story short they're re-creating the classic feel not the classic game. And hense the term Selectively Classic was coined.

[jolanar]

Have they gone on record about why they made the recharge change?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by jolanar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have they gone on record about why they made the recharge change?

From the second-most-recent patch message (this part was hidden with "spoiler" tags, but I removed them to make the quote readable).

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Item Changes
The staff has been keeping an eye on how recharging has been affecting the use of various items on the server. Recharging is a mechanic that existed in Classic but was not very widely known or utilized. While this is not an issue in most cases, there are a few cases of it now being abused. Some examples of these items being used in a very unclassic and unintended way is an entire raid force using bags worth of an instant cast direct damage click items to blast a raid mob dead in less than a minute. Another situation is the use of these items to bypass the normal hate/aggro building mechanics of the game. Yet another case is the use of certain items to allow a low level player to defeat large groups of higher level mobs, effectively solo powerlevelling.

All of these are only possible because of the Recharge system, since it is simply a matter of cost (in some cases a very low cost) of being able to restore the max charges of the item. However, the staff has had several discussions and does not feel that disabling Recharging would be the right action to take at this time. Instead, we feel that it is better to identify the specific items that are being abused, and make balancing changes to them. This includes changing the buyback price (and in one case removing the ability to sell the item to merchants), and adding cast times to some of the items.

[magnetaress]

Never had a root net but I am sorry you dont have one now furry footed warrior person.

[branamil]

P99 selectively classic.

They should have just gotten rid of recharges and made soul fire equip only. But they completely changed how the items work and it's not classic

[Ennewi]

"Amendments to the constitution. Selectively patriotic."

[Croco]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Amendments to the constitution. Selectively patriotic."

False equivalency much? This is more like taking current amendments and rewriting them because reasons.

With every change like this we stray further and further from the supposed classic goal of the project. Nothing about this is classic. Recharging is classic, clickies are classic. They might not have been ubiquitous but that's completely irrelevant. This is the staff deciding retroactively to make a 100% non-classic change for no reason in particular.