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For the other posters, you keep shifting out of "most underpowered overall", to things like " most underpowered soloing", "most underpowered in classic", etc. This is why we are talking past each other. Most underpowerd class (on P99) must take into account the full timeline because your character will be in all expansions. It must take into account how the class plays before level 60, and at level 60. It must take into account the average server's raid time, which is casual. It must take into account the role of the class. It must take into account how useful their toolkit is. Mage is the class I see the least often at level 60 outside of raids. The reason for this is simple: their decent solo capabilities do not outweigh how poorly they scale as they level, and how their toolkit just doesn't mesh too well with the timeline and the player bases knowledge. If this wasn't true we would see more Mages.
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The things you write are so frustrating. You continually bounce between arguing only Velious matters and "all eras matter", and your overall assessment still ignores the superior ways to progress in the game (aka what is most powerful), and the impact of what a Mage brings.
Mage is played less in this era outside of raids because Enchanter/Necro are more powerful overall and other casters have either big heals or teleports to fill heavily requested game functions. Mage in Velious era is also psychologically underwhelming because the only thing they gain compared to Kunark is the ability to make their pet unfearable and teleport it to their location, rather than the more tangible upgrades other classes get. But regardless they are still strong and can contribute more to a typical group than a Wizard or a melee player who doesn't have great gear. And can definitely solo better overall than those people. Quote:
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I am not ignoring the superior ways to progress in the game. The problem is progressing a Mage is pointless because they end up sucking at 60, except for being a CoTH bot. This is the irony of a Mage. They have good progression and nothing to show for it in the end. The question isn't "which class can progress to 60 fastest". Quote:
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When looking at what each class contributes to the game, there are clearly varying degrees of "necessities". And as already talked about, power is direct measurement of how quickly and efficiently you can do things in this game. No class is "needed" if you simply have enough players and spend enough time, but different abilities create different amounts of benefit. Mage contributes more to raids (and the majority of groups) than a Paladin. CoTH is not the only thing they do, a Mage being present is also an increase to the amount of mana your casters have, thanks to mod rods. Mages can also do big DPS when clearing to the "boss" on a raid and are capable of contributing DPS to the end fight as well, even though it's lesser at that point since their nukes will hardly land. Shadowknight is arguably the least "helpful" class for raids and overall if they were the deleted class in theory, then also nothing in the game would really change. But they have strengths outside of raids that are significantly better to me than what a Paladin can do, on average.
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No, you just keep switching out of the topic "most underpowered overall". Last time I checked, we weren't on the topic "most underpowered raid class". This is why this conversation isn't going anywhere. You can't stay on topic because the only way you can have a mage not be "most underpowered" is when you switch to a different topic. Of course Mages are not the most underpowered in a raid, as I have said repeatedly. Twitch is better than Mod Rods, so mages could be deleted and no one would really care, it would just slow down raiding a bit due to no more CoTH. Having both is nice, but Twitch would be better if you had to pick one. If a raid had to pick one class to get rid of, Rogue or Mage, they would pick Mage every time. You don't need CoTH or mod rods to kill AoW, but you do need DPS, and Mages don't use their pets in raids.
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Last edited by DeathsSilkyMist; 08-02-2022 at 10:25 PM..
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Twitch is not better than Mod Rods. The rods are something you can stockpile, twitch is only active once the fight starts. The mod rod spell itself is also FAR more mana efficient than Necro twitch. Necro twitching on a raid is worse than having another Cleric instead. It doesn't add any optimized power level to raiding, whereas a Mage does.
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They don't use pets because of things like AI issues. You do. You just don't understand the question, which is why you keep changing topics.
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Dunno about that one chief. I remember our main grading system of the quality of a Mage back on live was the complexity of the patterns he could draw with rods in the shortest time period.
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