I know it's not classic, but...

[Toxigen]

When you play in small groups (duos and trios) warrior lack of threat isn't really an issue.

Avoid large groups you're just helping mouthbreathing slackers.

Hope this helps.

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, sword and board was their intended to tank set up. Bash stun was meant to scale aggro with target mob hp the same way spell stun aggro does. Taunt was intended to work on yellow/reds at reduced efficiency instead of not at all.

They just fucked up the warrior’s two main tools to obtain and maintain aggro.

Part of me thinks that is a lie they've told us.

They couldn't figure out by the time of Velious that bash stun didn't work as intended?

[cd288]

Lmao heeeerrreeeee we go DSM coming into another thread to make the same arguments he made in the last one (where he posted 1,100 times (!)) with long random "data" posts of cherry picked parses

DSM, just to clarify for you: If you write some long final post in the other thread telling everyone they are trolls and don't know what their talking about and sanctimoniously saying that you're above it all (despite posting 1,100 times in that thread) and you're leaving...well, that whole sanctimonious thing is kind of null and void if you just go to a different thread and just keep making some of the same arguments you made in the last one

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lmao heeeerrreeeee we go DSM coming into another thread to make the same arguments he made in the last one (where he posted 1,100 times (!)) with long random "data" posts of cherry picked parses

DSM, just to clarify for you: If you write some long final post in the other thread telling everyone they are trolls and don't know what their talking about and sanctimoniously saying that you're above it all (despite posting 1,100 times in that thread) and you're leaving...well, that whole sanctimonious thing is kind of null and void if you just go to a different thread and just keep making some of the same arguments you made in the last one

Please stop trolling threads. You were a troll in that thread, and deserved to be called as such. Nobody has disproven the data yet, not even yourself. Just posting nonsense isn't proving anything. That is true in this thread, and it is true in the last thread.

I am surprised people haven't leveled melee characters from 1-30 before. It's pretty obvious they do good DPS at low levels with decent weapons and a haste item.

[cd288]

Of course they do good DPS. No one is saying they don't. But there's a reason that soloing many non-twinked melee classes isn't the most viable. Because mobs do great DPS.

[PlsNoBan]

I have leveled every EQ class to 50+ for the record. Some many times over. Lots of them twinked fairly heavily. I've done enchanter EASILY 5+ times 50+ across multiple servers including original classic back in the day, p99, multiple TLP's. I feel like I have a pretty good understanding of this game as a whole and the power levels of various classes. Enchanter especially. No random one off parse is going to change my mind.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have leveled every EQ class to 50+ for the record. Some many times over. Lots of them twinked fairly heavily. I've done enchanter EASILY 5+ times 50+ across multiple servers including original classic back in the day, p99, multiple TLP's. I feel like I have a pretty good understanding of this game as a whole and the power levels of various classes. Enchanter especially. No random one off parse is going to change my mind.

I think if I ever come back I'm going to de-level Toxigen to 5 and get some sweet solo logs for DSM to sperg over.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have leveled every EQ class to 50+ for the record. Some many times over. Lots of them twinked fairly heavily. I've done enchanter EASILY 5+ times 50+ across multiple servers including original classic back in the day, p99, multiple TLP's. I feel like I have a pretty good understanding of this game as a whole and the power levels of various classes. Enchanter especially. No random one off parse is going to change my mind.

Yeah I mean the thing with a one off parse is it's useless in an RNG game like classic EQ.

There are times where the RNG is just gonna go against what the general trend should be. Like if you did 1,000 parses I bet you there's gonna be like 200 (just using a very rough guess) where the warrior out DPSes a charmed and hasted mob. It just happens sometimes because it's RNG.

You also need to factor in any buffs the warrior may have had along with the specific mob's (both the enemy mob in both cases, and the charmed mob's) overall stats. You also need to look at the Warrior's STR, which can be increased significantly with gear that people would probably not call "twink" gear. But anyway, we've been over all this with respect to DSM's parses before. He takes one parse, provides minimal details, and then goes "TeH dAtA pRoVeS mE rIgHt guyessss". It's not useful data.

Thankfully he isn't involved in any sort of important profession that affects our lives, such as scientific trials, otherwise we could be in deep trouble.

[Castle2.0]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You haven't disproven the data, and I have a level 24 Warrior and 30 Enchanter. I am really not sure why you are questioning the data, you have nothing to counter it.

A Warrior is outputting good DPS from levels 1-30 at least with Wurmslayer + Fist of Zek and Silver Chitin Hand Wraps. Better weapons would obviously do even better.

Maybe dual wurmslayer... which my ranger has.. only toon on server w/ dual wield wurmy now muahaha

[Danth]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course they do good DPS. No one is saying they don't. But there's a reason that soloing many non-twinked melee classes isn't the most viable. Because mobs do great DPS.

Experience has demonstrated lack of solo melees is mostly due to their terrible health recovery. Solo melees, even without fungus tunics, were turning into a commonplace sight once combat bind wound got popularized, until its well-deserved nerf.

Warrior with a good weapon will do fair damage at a level range where the warrior might be hitting for 50's or 60's, not even counting crits or berserking, while similar mobs might be hitting for 40's. Monster damage scales pretty quickly and outpaces the player melee soon enough, but at low levels players can keep up if they're using over-leveled weapons. That same level ~20 warrior with a level-appropriate 6/26 axe isn't impressing anyone.

For the sake of my earlier post, the warrior doesn't have to match a charm pet anyway--few people do--but merely do enough damage to be a useful contribution in that regard. The class definitely has the tools to do that and its offense is probably somewhat under-rated by the community at large.

Danth