Monk - Trance Stick vs Knuckle Dusters

[jolanar]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To piggy back off the recommendation for 2h, after the 2h dmg bonus changes a long while back, IFS and Peacebringer will outdamage pretty much all groupable 1handers paired with epic fists.

Food for thought but at 55-60 after the changes I parsed the white damage on both IFS and tranq staff higher than epic fists and scepter of mastery. It used to be that damage bonus favored the epic fists … but at 60 that is no longer the case. Ratios on IFS and PB are so close to TStaff that they’re practically right about the same dps (minus the proc which is negligible dps and more of a stun side perk)

I made posts about it EONs ago in this forum in the weeks following the 2h dmg bonus changes.

I really only break out the epic/SoM combo when accidentally tanking aggro would be lethal (raid assists). Even then, monks can aggro dump periodically so easy with FD it probably isn’t necessary.

As someone who prefers dual wield it made me sad that 2h weapons became so much better for any class that can use them.

[Stonewallx39]

Originally Posted by jolanar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As someone who prefers dual wield it made me sad that 2h weapons became so much better for any class that can use them.

Just the meta man……..,

[Bardp1999]

Use a Peacebringer and be a real monk until Epic

[Kich867]

Originally Posted by Garnaak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Uh, I think this is wrong info. The correct way to do it would be (2*DAM + BONUS) /DELAY

Trance stick is worse than KD mainhand (and offhand) always.

Just get a jade mace if choosing 1hb. But as others have said, 2hb is way better once damage caps come off. I keep a trance stick in my bag, just to skill up for the first few minutes after a ding.

Does the proc not make up for it? Using your equation they're nearly identical in main hand but the trance stick has a proc.

[radbeard]

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does the proc not make up for it? Using your equation they're nearly identical in main hand but the trance stick has a proc.

This isn't a straight answer to your question but an off-hand trance stick is going to add something like 0.65 to 1.3 dps on average held in your offhand. I would guess that dual wielding trance sticks by lvl 35 when it begins to proc you're probably already doing 25ish dps vs blue mobs. So the proc isn't very substantial. Whether its enough to edge out better than a KD....I don't know. I think its close enough you could probably use either without much detectable difference.

[Encroaching Death]

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[Zuranthium]

Why is nobody talking about how you still "dual-wield" with a Two-Handed weapon. Unequip the two-hander right after you swing and then immediately re-equip it. You get an offhand fist attack round in that time.

The best possible DPS (also for Warriors and Rangers) is using a Two-Hander, turning off autoattack immediately after swinging and equipping the highest damage offhand weapon with a suitable delay to weave in, click the offhand attack, and then immediately reequip the Two-Hander and turn autoattack back on. Over and over.

^ That second technique is very tiresome, and with full haste and a relatively fast Two-hander it's basically impossible, because you'll miss attack rounds if you don't execute like a perfect robot non-stop. When there is enough time and care to do so though, it shouldn't be forgotten about.

[Sizar]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The best possible DPS (also for Warriors and Rangers) is using a Two-Hander, turning off autoattack immediately after swinging and equipping the highest damage offhand weapon with a suitable delay to weave in, click the offhand attack, and then immediately reequip the Two-Hander and turn autoattack back on. Over and over.

You do not need to turn off auto attack

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Sizar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do not need to turn off auto attack

Of course you do, otherwise you get a bare fist offhand swing, and possibly a primary attack swing with the Monk Epic because of the low delay, which ruins the cycle.

[rubicaant]

Agreed, KD always better