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Old 02-02-2025, 04:49 PM
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Oh whoa small world lol. It was really cool seeing the EQ references when they would pop up. You did a really good job capturing the feeling and vibe of EQ. Shivering Steps from the Halloween event felt very EQ planar raid. I'm excited for EA and seeing whats outside the newb island.

yeah he posted a update on steam today, i usually find games way too early or way too late. i'm more hyped about this game than anything else atm

i wanna pipe the NPC text through a LLM with character persona files, so they respond to everything you say.

they are already pretty charming though
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i'm having a lot of fun in the newbie dungeon and haven't looked at the wiki yet at all, just trying to find the quest NPCs and shit on my own
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Old 02-03-2025, 11:39 PM
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yeah he posted a update on steam today, i usually find games way too early or way too late. i'm more hyped about this game than anything else atm

i wanna pipe the NPC text through a LLM with character persona files, so they respond to everything you say.

they are already pretty charming though
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i'm having a lot of fun in the newbie dungeon and haven't looked at the wiki yet at all, just trying to find the quest NPCs and shit on my own
I'm glad you're enjoying it! It's going to hit Early Access here in the near future. That launch will *roughly* the size of Antonica in EverQuest with less cities. There's a pretty spoiler free zone list here: https://erenshor.wiki.gg/wiki/Zones
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Old 02-04-2025, 12:14 AM
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Are the simulated players powered by LLM's in some way or are they just botty bots?
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Old 02-04-2025, 12:30 AM
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I am curious too because I gave one of them a high powered item out of guilt or worry that I'd get a bad reputation.
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Old 02-04-2025, 12:46 AM
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Are the simulated players powered by LLM's in some way or are they just botty bots?
Bottybots. They're more there to give the illusion of an MMO instead of be your new online best e-pal.

Plus, LLMs cost tokens, which cost money, which I'd have to pass on to the users and even though it's a simulated MMORPG I think a monthly subscription to cover LLMs would be taking the "simulated" experience too far.

Plus Plus LLMs say wild stuff sometimes, and Steam holds developers accountable for what their LLMs say.

I wrote a text parser and literally thousands of canned responses to certain contexts. Think of it like playing madden - you'll see some stuff repeated if you play enough, but overall it has minimal effect on your gameplay. This way I can guarantee a family safe game. Some testers have expressed excitement that this is an "MMO" that their children can play. I didn't expect that demographic but I'm happy I can cater to that.

Regarding giving them a high powered item if they ask for it - yeah, they remember that stuff. If you treat them good, they'll invite you to stuff when you log in next time.
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Old 02-04-2025, 12:50 AM
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Sparky wispers, "LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!"
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Old 02-04-2025, 05:24 AM
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yeah definitely not worth it for you to be running it as a service, more a LocalLLaMA Mistral 7B or whatever the current go to roleplaying model is. not sure what the hardware specs of game + local model running at the same time would be but these things are just gonna get insanely better

or do the work in between play sessions, npcs keep track of what you say and how you treat them and you just let that shit churn overnight updating memories and a faction score of some kind

having the NPCs start off in a blank state with each other and overtime breaking off into two factions based on random interactions forming the two main raiding guilds would be so fucking cool also.

player gets a Paragon choice also, by picking which npc guild to join
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Old 02-04-2025, 10:13 AM
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I'm doing a bit of that now. Group wipes hurt your standing with your group, giving them loot increases it; as does earning xp. I'm not really leveraging those values much yet but when guild stuff comes into the game it'll be hard.

Ekco, I always like having "EQ eyes" on the game. If you enjoy the demo hit me up and I'll get you a beta key to the rest of the game. There's 100ish hours of content to check out now.
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I'm doing a bit of that now. Group wipes hurt your standing with your group, giving them loot increases it; as does earning xp. I'm not really leveraging those values much yet but when guild stuff comes into the game it'll be hard.
yeah that's basically exactly what i want, and sounds amazing.


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Ekco, I always like having "EQ eyes" on the game. If you enjoy the demo hit me up and I'll get you a beta key to the rest of the game. There's 100ish hours of content to check out now.
Hell yeah, would love to.

edit: Your message could not be delivered. This is usually because you don't share a server with the recipient or the recipient is only accepting direct messages from friends.

sent friend request from "ekco."
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Old 02-06-2025, 12:42 PM
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prettty fun so far.
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