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[Trexller]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Charm max duration on live is 8 mins at level 60 but its 22 mins here.

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and yet people whine about classic

btw P99 rogues have shroud of stealth

[Ciderpress]

Charm never lasts even close to 22 minutes without a break on any mob worth charming though. I wouldn't even object to changing the max duration to 8 because it rarely lasts that long anyway.

I soloed probably 500 cliff golems on my enc using the undead foreman in OT. Charm would generally break at least once during the roughly 4-minute fight. Usually a quick stun and re-charm would finish it off, but it wasn't uncommon at all for it to break *again* before the end of the fight.

Then I stopped farming cliff golems cause their drop rates are complete shit even during bonus loot.

[shovelquest]

well you should be saying

"charm never lasts close to 8 minuets without a break on any mob worth charming though."

Hope this helps (them nerf charming).

[Ciderpress]

I mean just consider the spell dictate- the whole appeal is that it's guaranteed to last a certain length of time, and that length of time is only 50 seconds. Why then is the spell ever desireable to use? Because other charms often last *less* than 50 seconds.

Being unresistable is another perk, but still point remains with regard to duration.

[shovelquest]

Dictate allows you to charm moves above level 53. Otherwise you use the other charm.

[Ciderpress]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dictate allows you to charm moves above level 53. Otherwise you use the other charm.

Yes duh but why is the duration only 50 seconds? If other charms can last up to 8 minutes, why didn't they make dictate last like 2 minutes? Because other charms are incredibly unreliable when it counts.

Chanters just got very good at dealing with charm breaks, most people probably don't even notice when a chanter's pet breaks and is quickly re-charmed in a pickup group because it's so routine now. In classic, charming wasn't employed as much because people sucked at managing their charm pets, not because the charm mechanic itself was coded to be less reliable.

Go ahead and change max duration to 8 minutes on p99, it will make basically no difference to 99% of charm scenarios, unless you're charming mobs 30 levels beneath you or something because that's the only time it lasts even close to max duration.

[shovelquest]

Why does rapture behave the same as dictate.

Why doesn't rapture last 6 minuets? Why does it have a slow recast time?

They're just how those specific spells work.

The simple fact is, the average charm should last about 1-3 minuets before needing a refresh.

[Ciderpress]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why does rapture behave the same as dictate.

Why doesn't rapture last 6 minuets? Why does it have a slow recast time?

They're just how those specific spells work.

The simple fact is, the average charm should last about 1-3 minuets before needing a refresh.

Rapture is a mez not a charm.. I'm not sure I get your hypothetical, it's a completely different type of spell.

And again, I'm saying in practice boltran's (best charm before dictate) very often only *does* last 1-3 minutes. It often breaks within the first two server ticks- that's the tradeoff, and why I do not think chanter charming on p99 is even close to as OP as some people think it is.

[shovelquest]

Nobody is using dictate unless they have to.

Dictates appeal isn't the fixed duration, it's that it can charm mobs you can't with other charms because of the level cap.

You need to gear up your enchanter if you think boltrans lasts 1-3 minuets and often breaks withint he first two server ticks.

[shovelquest]

Also most people use the puppet strings to kill the biggest nameds in the game and aren't even enchanters and are even ugly lizards!